Miyamoto Unimpressed by Modern Games

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Kahunaburger:
A better title for this article would be "Miyamoto too busy to play many games and dislikes aspects of the current market compared to the way it was a few decades ago." Although I guess "Shigeru Miyamoto is dissing that thing you like!" gets more page views.

We can't stop here, this is sensationalist country

DVS BSTrD:
Here's a way to surprise players Mr. Miyamoto. Why don't YOU come up with a new original IP?

Or if he's so set on making sequels, a new Pikmen.

Yopaz:
OK, so you said he shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses because there are pleny of awesome games that aren't made by Nintendo. That statement right there indicated that you were talking about quality, which was not what Miyamoto was talking about. If I got this wrong then I'm sorry.

That's fair, I wasn't all that specific with the glass houses comment, but I did mean I in terms of surprisingness and being "worth my time", which I guess is kind of a quality bar in and of itself. On the other hand it might not be fair for me to say I know plenty of surprising original games when I don't play every game (or even most games) that comes out from time to time.

in any case my follow up post was only to clarify my original intent, not to presume anything about your position on the matter.

Kahunaburger:
A better title for this article would be "Miyamoto too busy to play many games and dislikes aspects of the current market compared to the way it was a few decades ago." Although I guess "Shigeru Miyamoto is dissing that thing you like!" gets more page views.

RAWG HE HATES MY FAVOURITE THING!
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Oh wait, he didn't say that....awkward.

Zhukov:
Well, thank goodness he's here to save us with wonderfully imaginative and surprising titles like Wii Sports.

I don't know if you remember back in 2006, but as a party game Wii Sports WAS super surprising.

Miyamoto is being a pretentious retard again, nothing to see. Move along.

sounds like he's just as picky about what he'll call a 'good' game as i am

What a shock, that a man who hasn't designed a new game since the early '90s doesn't care for modern games.

It's funny seeing people going after those who don't share Miyamoto's opinion. It's almost as if you're only allowed to have an opinion if it's the "right" opinion or something.

*Cough, Cough*

I really think whoever wrote this title should slap themselves. Nowhere in this article does it say he isn't impressed with modern gaming. He talks about not having time to play games and how innovating is more difficult for the new playerbase, but he never goes and says he's unimpressed. Don't try to draw attention to your article with flashy or pointed titles if they are a blatant lie.

What's worse is the Miyamoto flaming going on now because your title makes him sound like an ass (which was my impression too prior to reading the article).

On topic I think that he's got the right idea, we are harder to please as modern gamers when it comes to certain genre. What baffles me though is how millions of people worldwide still find appeal for the same old formula when it comes to certain games, looking at you CoD and Battlefield, but then also expect innovation from other titles and get angry when there is none. Seems almost hypocritical on our part.

unimpressed? says the one that repeats the same stuff over and over again

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Step 1: remake the same few games over and over.

Step 2: say all video games are samey and uninteresting.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: everyone thinks your an idiot.

John Funk:

Zhukov:
Well, thank goodness he's here to save us with wonderfully imaginative and surprising titles like Wii Sports.

I don't know if you remember back in 2006, but as a party game Wii Sports WAS super surprising.

Yeah, EyeToy was pretty cool. Oh, you were talking about the Wii? Yeah. Totally surprising and original. Good quality games, too! Definitely not half a dozen shit mini-games.

Hmm... It appears that most people who responded to this have a very base understanding of the article and the company. Understandable. Most of the people on this site are either Sony or Microsoft fans or part of the PC gamer "master race", anyway. It is easy only to pay attention to Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, and Pokemon when one only has basic knowledge of Nintendo. Of course, Nintendo has also made Pikmin, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Warioware, Rhythm Heaven, Beat Agents, Mother, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Shinning Force, and so much more. It is okay not to like Nintendo games, but it is fallicious to state that they have not created new ideas since the 90s.

I really find this ridiculous, him being a part of Nintendo, who comes out with the crappy activity games, I really don't find them appealing. I honestly believe that there are so many better game designers than this guy.

Casual Shinji:

LilithSlave:
Amen Miyamoto. I couldn't agree more. Sticking around here, I was starting to wonder how alone I was. I tire of new games very quickly. And certainly it's not all that fun looking at the list of new games each year. Not as much as it used to be.

Back in 1996 or so, it was "Oh God! It's a new game!".

Now it's... "Oh... God. It's... a new game.... yeah."

This attitude has more to do with the present state of multi media then with the quality of the games themselves.

That's the point. Games aren't getting worse, we as an aggregate demand more from them.

I'm getting the impression that a few people in this thread are missing the spirit of the original article and Miyamoto's idea of captivation. For better or worse, over the years Nintendo has put themselves in make or break situations of experimentation, and God bless them for it.

For every headache inducing neck pain creator (Virtual Boy), we get something that changes an entire landscape like the DS. We may complain about the reiterations of IPs, but staples like Mario and Zelda always seem to be the required software to make people take the plunge into their experiments. The 3DS didn't pick up steam until there was an Oot 3D and Mario Land, titles that many consider "just what the 3DS needed".

In today's gaming landscape, where consoles and video cards are a technological arms race that sacrifice originality and experimentation to offset skyrocketing development costs, I for one am glad to see Miyamoto and Nintendo take bold steps in completely different directions. I can understand how over time Mario and Zelda become the safety net to guarantee a minimal adoption of these new experiments.

IMHO, if Nintendo would only open their doors more to 3rd parties with IPs of their own (from dev teams that require far less money for Nintendo platforms than the alternative), letting them in on the experimental fun, great things can come from that.

TL;DR, "Modern Gamers" have been developing their own standards of what a "forward-thinking" and "next-gen" game experience is, and Miyamoto seems intent on completely redefining how we interact with our beloved boxes from scratch. If Mario and Zelda 391 and 272 (respectively) supply them with the funds to continue taking stabs at it, they may just offer us the holy grail after enough time. I for one am thankful that they're the last company trying that direction in terms of growth.

Two words: Wii Music.

Vanilla_Druid:
Hmm... It appears that most people who responded to this have a very base understanding of the article and the company. Understandable. Most of the people on this site are either Sony or Microsoft fans or part of the PC gamer "master race", anyway. It is easy only to pay attention to Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, and Pokemon when one only has basic knowledge of Nintendo. Of course, Nintendo has also made Pikmin, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Warioware, Rhythm Heaven, Beat Agents, Mother, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Shinning Force, and so much more. It is okay not to like Nintendo games, but it is fallicious to state that they have not created new ideas since the 90s.

I like how you started off by insulting everyone in the thread. How very awesome of you. I doubt you've been here long if you think that most people here are only fans of the big 3 and PC elitist. You'll learn.

Anyways back to your point, it's very easy to pay attention to the big franchises you mentioned because that's all Nintendo advertises.

But you have to admit Pikmin 2 came out almost 10 years ago..T
he last Kirby game to come out was a disappointment that held the player's hand all the way through (seriously you couldn't die for crying out loud)
Fire Emblem is only popular outside thanks to Japan because of Smash Bros Melee and even then most of the series is Japan Only,WarioWare is a pile of minigames
Rhythm Heaven is a very niche title that wasn't advertised much outside Japan
Elite Beat Agents was good but again, niche as hell and didn't sell as well as expected
Mother.....did you see how the handled Mother? Nuff said
Custom Robo was good but again, lack of advertising in favour of sure sellers
With Golden Sun it took almost 10 years for them to make a sequel that wasn't that great
Shining Force is an old Sega Franchise that's seen a lot more than just Nintendo's consoles

Even out of all the big franchises that you listed, Nintendo has goofed on the latest Metroid by letting Team Ninja make the crappy Other:M, and we've yet to see a StarFox sequel worth our time. And this is coming from a fan of StarFox Assault...

It's really become about Pokemon, Mario, and LoZ and with a growing population of people who are getting tired of LoZ being almost literally the same story retold over and over, Nintendo's IPs are no longer indefensible to being called stale.

Almost every time someone argues that people's negative opinions on Nintendo aren't warranted it's really just the same argument. "You can't have a negative opinion of Nintendo."

Damn it yes we can. We can also agree to disagree. People have gotten away with bashing Sony and MS since they entered the console race but there's still a large antsy group of people who jump to shield Nintendo at almost every chance they can. Thankfully less people are wearing their nostalgia glasses these days.

Casey Bowen:
Two words: Wii Music.

You spelt Wii Abortion wrong :P

hurricanejbb:
With all due respect to Mr. Miaymoto, he clearly hasn't played Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Skyrim, Infamous, Radiant Historia, the Arkham series, Persona series, Bioshock, Telltale's adventure games... just to name a few.

That was kind of his point. Between being one of the most recognizable names in game development and publishing and generating the next big thing the world wants to mimic (for good or ill), he doesn't have the time to spend on all the games. A guy with the stance that innovation is better when it can happen probably isn't lining up to play a hoard of games in the standard fantasy setting.

Seventh Actuality:

"Actually, 3D is really the most normal thing because it's how those of us with two eyes usually see the world," said Miyamoto. "TVs are the unusual things in 2D! We don't look at stereoscopic as a gimmick. It's rather the most normal way to display things."

This is such a fucking dumb thing to say on so many levels.

I can't even see in 3D!

Also, new IP please.

Am I just being thick or does the title seem out-of-sync with the text of the article? I was fully expecting commentary that Miyamoto was harshly criticizing modern games, but the text of the article, at least to me, doesn't read that way at all. Instead, it reads more like he's simply stating there are challenges ahead for modern games in maintaining the interest of gamers. Yet another sensational title designed to get page views, or did I just misread everything?

ADDENDUM: Looking over these comments, how many of you actually read the article before commenting, instead of just assuming the text based on the title? How many of you were able to actually think independently of the sensationalized title and not let it color your interpretation and comprehension of the article text? Did I simply read different article text from the vast majority commenting here?

A PLATFORM WITH FEW GAMES REQUIRES MORE GAMES! DEVELOPERS HAVE LIMITED DEVELOPMENT TIMES!

Truly these are the words of a veteran of the gaming world. This type of wisdom can only have been gained through the trails a tribulations of having been in the industry for decades. Seriously.

I'm impressed that he managed to push forth IP that has been around for decades, but I don't understand how any of this is meant to be helpful.

Miyamoto is clearly a master of stating the obvious. Mind you, it'd be nice if he could occassionally give an opinion from somewhere outside his ivory tower.

Wow. This is the worst paraphrase ever done by the Escapist. He says that he 1.) doesn't have time, 2.) wouldn't know where to look if he did, and 3.) that there is a constant need to surpass consumer expectations with games.

Nothing about that seems like he is unimpressed. Not only does this show a lack of reading comprehension, but a lack of basic human understanding. He's tired and jaded. He's been doing this for a long time, and the industry has changed a ton. This is someone who has made a huge impact on the industry, but has one foot out the door. It is asinine for the Escapist to continue making misinformed sensational titles to attract attention and make people unwilling to read the entire source create misinformed opinions about someone's character.

I don't care all that much, I just got a little heated because this is far from the first time that this has happened. Bad form.

Slightly off topic, but I find it amusing that every Escapist article about Miyamoto has the same evil mastermind JUST AS PLANNED photo of him.

Say what you want about Nintendo using the same IPs, I don't see a lot of developers doing differently. The games industry is flooded with sequels galore, not just from Nintendo. At least Nintendo are trying to innovate in ways other than better graphics.

So yeah he has not been playing video games at all in the last 3-5 years. Someone should get this guy on steam or xbla and get him to look at some of the indy developed games. Games that are incredibly innovative with decades old mechanics and gameplay.

I am like him, I only play the games he made.
Plus Assassin's Creed and Cod's and one or other game.

hurricanejbb:
With all due respect to Mr. Miaymoto, he clearly hasn't played Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Skyrim, Infamous, Radiant Historia, the Arkham series, Persona series, Bioshock, Telltale's adventure games... just to name a few.

I played half of those and they were boring. It's completely different styles those made by him, so it's normal he doesn't like them either.

I'm happy Nintendo from Japan mostly ignores what is said in the US, well done. If they had listen to you, Nintendo would be way worse than it is. With Zelda and Mario ruined.

Nintendo deserves all respect just from keeping those franchises as awesome as they were 25 years ago.

AzrealMaximillion:

Vanilla_Druid:
Hmm... It appears that most people who responded to this have a very base understanding of the article and the company. Understandable. Most of the people on this site are either Sony or Microsoft fans or part of the PC gamer "master race", anyway. It is easy only to pay attention to Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Starfox, and Pokemon when one only has basic knowledge of Nintendo. Of course, Nintendo has also made Pikmin, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Warioware, Rhythm Heaven, Beat Agents, Mother, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Shinning Force, and so much more. It is okay not to like Nintendo games, but it is fallicious to state that they have not created new ideas since the 90s.

I like how you started off by insulting everyone in the thread. How very awesome of you. I doubt you've been here long if you think that most people here are only fans of the big 3 and PC elitist. You'll learn.

Anyways back to your point, it's very easy to pay attention to the big franchises you mentioned because that's all Nintendo advertises.

But you have to admit Pikmin 2 came out almost 10 years ago..T
he last Kirby game to come out was a disappointment that held the player's hand all the way through (seriously you couldn't die for crying out loud)
Fire Emblem is only popular outside thanks to Japan because of Smash Bros Melee and even then most of the series is Japan Only,WarioWare is a pile of minigames
Rhythm Heaven is a very niche title that wasn't advertised much outside Japan
Elite Beat Agents was good but again, niche as hell and didn't sell as well as expected
Mother.....did you see how the handled Mother? Nuff said
Custom Robo was good but again, lack of advertising in favour of sure sellers
With Golden Sun it took almost 10 years for them to make a sequel that wasn't that great
Shining Force is an old Sega Franchise that's seen a lot more than just Nintendo's consoles

Even out of all the big franchises that you listed, Nintendo has goofed on the latest Metroid by letting Team Ninja make the crappy Other:M, and we've yet to see a StarFox sequel worth our time. And this is coming from a fan of StarFox Assault...

It's really become about Pokemon, Mario, and LoZ and with a growing population of people who are getting tired of LoZ being almost literally the same story retold over and over, Nintendo's IPs are no longer indefensible to being called stale.

Almost every time someone argues that people's negative opinions on Nintendo aren't warranted it's really just the same argument. "You can't have a negative opinion of Nintendo."

Damn it yes we can. We can also agree to disagree. People have gotten away with bashing Sony and MS since they entered the console race but there's still a large antsy group of people who jump to shield Nintendo at almost every chance they can. Thankfully less people are wearing their nostalgia glasses these days.

So, you conclude that people who still defend Nintendo are wearing Nostalgia glasses?

Seems legit and totally smart.

Raesvelg:
What a shock, that a man who hasn't designed a new game since the early '90s doesn't care for modern games.

Pikmin *cough cough*

Captcha: Tuckered out. Yes, quite

DrunkOnEstus:
I'm getting the impression that a few people in this thread are missing the spirit of the original article and Miyamoto's idea of captivation. For better or worse, over the years Nintendo has put themselves in make or break situations of experimentation, and God bless them for it.

For every headache inducing neck pain creator (Virtual Boy), we get something that changes an entire landscape like the DS. We may complain about the reiterations of IPs, but staples like Mario and Zelda always seem to be the required software to make people take the plunge into their experiments. The 3DS didn't pick up steam until there was an Oot 3D and Mario Land, titles that many consider "just what the 3DS needed".

In today's gaming landscape, where consoles and video cards are a technological arms race that sacrifice originality and experimentation to offset skyrocketing development costs, I for one am glad to see Miyamoto and Nintendo take bold steps in completely different directions. I can understand how over time Mario and Zelda become the safety net to guarantee a minimal adoption of these new experiments.

IMHO, if Nintendo would only open their doors more to 3rd parties with IPs of their own (from dev teams that require far less money for Nintendo platforms than the alternative), letting them in on the experimental fun, great things can come from that.

TL;DR, "Modern Gamers" have been developing their own standards of what a "forward-thinking" and "next-gen" game experience is, and Miyamoto seems intent on completely redefining how we interact with our beloved boxes from scratch. If Mario and Zelda 391 and 272 (respectively) supply them with the funds to continue taking stabs at it, they may just offer us the holy grail after enough time. I for one am thankful that they're the last company trying that direction in terms of growth.

A... a thousand interwebs to you o.o

Captcha: Spicy! Indeed!

Aetheora:

DrunkOnEstus:
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A... a thousand interwebs to you o.o

Captcha: Spicy! Indeed!

I am very thankful for your response, good sir. Due to issues of extreme anxiety, that post was the very first one I have ever made on any internet forum (I promise, and I'm 24). Finding the Escapist was such a rush of oxygen in the cesspool of corporate funded reviews and forums crawling with trolls, fanboys, and insults. Hopefully, here's to the cycle of perma-lurking finally broken! You made my day.

Back on topic: I should probably clarify that I'm not "a Nintendo fanboy", since that seems to be the automatic claim about defenders of their work. I don't get the fanboy thing, it strikes me as a weird capitalist cult worship. These are companies, not an embedded part of your personality.

Remember folks, should Nintendo hypothetically fall, there would be no more companies in the console field who exclusively exist to create video games and grow the experiences of being a "gamer". To wish for their demise is to wish away those who recovered the video game crash (with Mario), and brought us so many experiences that other companies could only emulate as opposed to countering with their own original ideas.

Love the experiences that make this your hobby, and respect the ones that didn't quite speak to you, as it all contributes to the growth and legitimacy of our beloved medium.

DVS BSTrD:
Here's a way to surprise players Mr. Miyamoto. Why don't YOU come up with a NEW original IP?

Apparantly, Miyamoto is planning on doing just that. Remember that whole debacle where people thought he was stepping down, when in actuality he was simply moving off of larger titles to begin work on some new IPs of his own? (link below)

http://wii.ign.com/articles/121/1214255p1.html

"Video game designer Shigeru Miyamoto's role at Nintendo is not changing. He will continue to be a driving force in Nintendo's development efforts. In discussing his priorities at Nintendo in a media interview, Mr. Miyamoto explained how he is encouraging the younger developers at the company to take more initiative and responsibility for developing software. He attempted to convey his priorities moving forward, inclusive of overseeing all video game development and ensuring the quality of all products. Mr. Miyamoto also discussed his desire to pursue fresh ideas and experiences of the kind that sparked his initial interest in video games."

It's not a definite confirmation that Miyamoto is working on new IPs, but it certainly sounds promising. I guess we'll find out for sure at E3.

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