Silver And Steel and Shadows In The Moonlight

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Silver And Steel and Shadows In The Moonlight

This week we find out why Gavin isn't as "dark and edgy" as you may have wanted.

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The only one I can really remember that didn't match the game was "Mind of the Bat", but you MORE than made up for it with "Joker's Song" and your Assassin's Creed songs are always spot on.

You realise you now absolutely have to make a 16-minute synth drone piece about Mario's hat now, right?

Reading this was the first time I listened to Silver and Steel, and now I really want to try the Witcher, great as always Gav.

Mmmmm, your comments weren't violent or actiony enough.

Always interesting to read these bits. Here's to more awesome music in the future! */Raises glass*

And let's all give a hand up for another mention of Devin Townsend, a guy who more people should know about because his music is made of awesome.
He made a damn concept album about an alien coming to Earth seeking the ultimate cup of coffee, and it had a brilliant mix of awesome controlled metal chaos (Ziltoidia Attaxx, Planet Smasher) and softer pieces (Solar Winds, Hyperdrive). And that's not even the silliest nor most musically brilliant thing he's done.

I think of all the 'talking about your content' features yours is one of the best or not the best here. Extra Punctuation and Loading Time rock but it's fun how much you interact with people in your articles (plus it's an excuse to listen to Shadows in the Moonlight again :D )

"Why was there no mention of all the sex. The game was full of sex.

Because sex is just sex. You see sex everywhere. It's not a part of the story I found particularly interesting or inspiring or unique. I never really have much interest in sex in games. I prefer it in real life."

Can this kind of answer be classified as BURN?

And this is why you're awesome Gav.

Oh, and some people appear to have not realized there is such thing as 'folk-metal' and some of it's rather good. And I know an RTS game for you, BFME :D It's simple, build farms, build barracks, build units, swarm enemy base while also building OP heroes. Oh, and it's LotR, so you can borrow bits of inspiration from other sources :p

... I'm sure there would be some head scratching were I to send in a 16 minute Philip Glass style atonal synth drone-piece called "Mario's Hat" or something like that...

Maybe they could get Rob Hubbard to remix it.

so no "mushrooms frying in butter" from you!

That's all good, just keep doing what you're doing and I'll be happy

You're really not holding back today are you... always funny though, and your comments on 'dark and edgy' are spot on.

When listening to Silver and Steel it was weird because it kept reminding me of Nord Mead, but I couldn't quite put my finger on why, as Silver and Steel wasn't exactly comic. I guess the rhyme structure was doing some subconscious trickery. I loved Shadows in the Moonlight, and I agree. While AC2 is my favorite game of all time for a multitude of reasons, in my opinion the best part wasn't the combat, sneaking or any particular missions; it was just climbing to the top of the tallest buildings around and just standing there, staring at the utterly breathtaking scenery.

JaceArveduin:
Oh, and some people appear to have not realized there is such thing as 'folk-metal' and some of it's rather good.

I think a lot of people are awfully close-minded when it comes to musical genres, which is funny as I have trouble getting into music that's not power metal. I guess there's at least an appreciation for other styles.

I find it more amusing that people suggest Black Metal as being something that's medieval sounding. If I were to go medieval my first two thoughts would actually be Iron Maiden or Blind Guardian, and to an extent you could even go as far back as Led Zeppelin considering they sang about fantasy as well. Does Immigrant Song sound metal enough, I wonder? Or are people just incapable of looking back?

And as Gavin says, it all depends on the aspect of the story you're looking for. Blind Guardian's Nightfall in Middle-Earth is a fantastic album when it comes to battlefields and more war-like emotions, but when I think of Hobbiton then a song like Close to the Edge by Yes just seems more appropriate to the tone of it.

Then there's a band like Falconer, who, despite the electric instruments, just sound like they'd be right at home at a Renaissance Faire.

I was worried that this was going to be another column of "Boy, you fuckers are stupid, so let me snark right back at you and show you what a smart, successful man I am!" That was my biggest problem with Encore, but I'm glad to see that this one has gone back to the reason that we're all here - i.e., the music.

On an unrelated note (I don't know whether Gavin takes questions from the forums, or just from private messages), but are you a big classical fan? Were you influenced at all? Any favourite composers?

Damn, some people are dickish.
Also, you do like Halo. Huh. Good, because now I feel less uncivilized for liking it.

The Last Melon:
I was worried that this was going to be another column of "Boy, you fuckers are stupid, so let me snark right back at you and show you what a smart, successful man I am!" That was my biggest problem with Encore, but I'm glad to see that this one has gone back to the reason that we're all here - i.e., the music.

On an unrelated note (I don't know whether Gavin takes questions from the forums, or just from private messages), but are you a big classical fan? Were you influenced at all? Any favourite composers?

Well, he did take the last comment on "Shadows in the Moonlight" from the forums.

Didn't really fit Assassin's Creed because it was too relaxing.

Playing Assassin's Creed 2 was one the most relaxing experiences of my life.

A thousand times this ... Seriously, except for the slightly annoying "Don't be detected by that randomly twitching guard"-memories, AC2 was a pretty darn relaxing experience.

Maybe for Halo you just need to break it down to a more simple element, like the relationship between Chief and Cortana (from her perspective). Or a funny song from the perspective of the grunts. Or the view of the convenant from the common man.

I think the more personal stories tend to be some of the more interesting. Santiago's song is still one of my favourites even though that story within the game was fairly forgettable. You sort of created depth from what was fairly shallow (imo).

I do appreciate the fact you try to put a lot of "artistic" touch into your songs, approaching them more like poetric than simply "putting out some rocking tunes" though I suspect the subleties are lost on a lot of people including myself.

This might be different in the games, but Silver and Steel seems to fit Geralt from the books pretty well. It's deceptively lethal, seeming like a simple folk song when in fact it's one of your best pieces.

And it's freaking fantastic, just like the witcher himself.

I'm Gavin's new favorite person for that comment?

...I'm okay with that.

Also excited to see that you like Halo, Gavin. I've wanted a Halo song from you too, but was never sure if you enjoyed the series. So this gives me hope. I always thought the beautiful, dangerous mystery of Halo in the first game would make a good topic, perhaps with an abrupt mood change akin to the revelation of the Flood. *shrugs* When you do figure it out, I have no doubt it'll be great.

Really looking forward to the day you achieve that perfect Halo song. I was trying to narrow it down to core themes and there's really so much going on that one song would be hard to cover it all. I write poetry about games for my university course and when I got around to Halo I started with the religious aspect of the Covenant and then tried to include some of the immoral but desperate choices made by the UNSC.

On the topic of these songs, I loved Shadows in the Moonlight because it reminded me of how brilliant AC2's opening was, something I had forgotten about in my hatred for Brotherhood. Gonna have to force myself through Revelations before AC3 comes out.

Rare form on the comments today, Gavin. As has been said, the "darker and edgier" comments were spot on.

Instead, you should make your music bloodier and sexier, like a subscription cable reboot of a network show. What could go wrong?

Anyway, I didn't really care for "Shadows", but then, that was simply personal taste, not critique. I loved "Silver and Steel", however. It's one that got looped multiple times so I could rock out. Just because it's folk, doesn't mean it can't be metal. Someone already mentioned Falconer, so I'll just refer to that.

Keep up the good work!

"I'm surprised at how many comments are criticizing the slow, contemplative nature of the song, saying it should have been more violent and big ... I guess it's a common complaint with your music, people not understanding why your song is like that when all they did in the game was kill people, but I still just wish people didn't regard games with such shallowness as to ignore the thematic elements around which you build your songs."

I have two words that agree completely with this statement; Wasteland Soul

You need to try and answer more varied questions and comments in these segments. I mean, for the Witcher, you basically said that you don't like people wanting something to be "dark and gritty" 3 times, just different people and different wordings for the questions and answers.

I love your comment on dark vs realistic. I think you can definitely have a story in which depraved, violent and even gruesome things happen, but it all feels redundant because it doesn't serve any purpose. Then you get your stories in which you get characters, countries and an entire world which feels well constructed - you have the characters who are good people, and you have the brutal psychotic killers. It's all about balance, and I thought Witcher 2 did a great job in that regard.

I was one of the people who complained about the vocals of Shadows in the Moonlight, and I'm sorry I wasn't more praising in my original comment, because I LOVE THIS SONG. I don't know what it is, but the first listen was ok, and the 2nd listen was incredible. Now, I don't the vocals are that bad, or that much of a problem at all. It's a great song, and I hope you carry on.

Silver and Steel was awesome and couldn't have fitted the reveling aesthetic of the game any better, don't let anyone tell you any different.

DVS BSTrD:
The only one I can really remember that didn't match the game was "Mind of the Bat", but you MORE than made up for it with "Joker's Song" and your Assassin's Creed songs are always spot on.

Haha, i find that really funny as even though mind of the bat "didnt fit the game"(disagree) it was my favorite for a long time.

OT: I feel that between "Shadows in the Moonlight" and "Silver and Steel" you nailed both of them in an unexpected way Gavin. People wanted action from AC but you gave them the beuty and serinity of it. While in my opinion you suplemented that action in "Silver and Steel", the whole song made me want to just get up and go challenge a friend to a sword fight. It sounded very sharp and distinctly showed the direction of the character's thoughts.
-I must say i dislike the term action though, i feel that when it's said people really mean "something that makes me want to take action".-

Becasue of Gavin, Shadows became calming and spirit lifting while Silver Steel pointed us into action. :)

cricket chirps:

DVS BSTrD:
The only one I can really remember that didn't match the game was "Mind of the Bat", but you MORE than made up for it with "Joker's Song" and your Assassin's Creed songs are always spot on.

Haha, i find that really funny as even though mind of the bat "didnt fit the game"(disagree) it was my favorite for a long time.

OT: I feel that between "Shadows in the Moonlight" and "Silver and Steel" you nailed both of them in an unexpected way Gavin. People wanted action from AC but you gave them the beuty and serinity of it. While in my opinion you suplemented that action in "Silver and Steel", the whole song made me want to just get up and go challenge a friend to a sword fight.

The mood didn't seem to match the feel of the game, but it was a very good song. Hell Gavin's songs are always good. And how could you not want to have a sword fight after listening to "Silver and Steel"?

I was surprised that you view Geralt in such a way (if it is from game, then ok, haven't played it, dunno), but for me he is a dark character. I mean, he is weird even by witcher standarts (if going by the books) and it's mostly neutral in actions (again by the books). But that song is still awesome.

Also, Shadows in the moonlight is the second positive thing about AC/Ezio series, the first being original music.

Mordekaien:
I was surprised that you view Geralt in such a way (if it is from game, then ok, haven't played it, dunno), but for me he is a dark character. I mean, he is weird even by witcher standarts (if going by the books) and it's mostly neutral in actions (again by the books). But that song is still awesome.

No offense but I'm surprised you think your opinion of a character is more accurate when he has played the game and you have not.

IamQ:
You need to try and answer more varied questions and comments in these segments. I mean, for the Witcher, you basically said that you don't like people wanting something to be "dark and gritty" 3 times, just different people and different wordings for the questions and answers.

Well... that was pretty much the only negative feedback I got on that song. You want me to answer a different criticism, feel free to go find one for me.

The Last Melon:
I was worried that this was going to be another column of "Boy, you fuckers are stupid, so let me snark right back at you and show you what a smart, successful man I am!" That was my biggest problem with Encore, but I'm glad to see that this one has gone back to the reason that we're all here - i.e., the music.

Encore was never what you just described - it takes both the good and bad criticism on board, quite often even agreeing with them.

I really liked Silver and Steel, because I loved just hanging out in the taverns and brothels, so cheery and fun!

I never really have much interest in sex in games. I prefer it in real life.

And on that bombshell...

Gavin, I would have sex with you in a game or in real life. And I don't even like guys.

Akalabeth:

Mordekaien:
I was surprised that you view Geralt in such a way (if it is from game, then ok, haven't played it, dunno), but for me he is a dark character. I mean, he is weird even by witcher standarts (if going by the books) and it's mostly neutral in actions (again by the books). But that song is still awesome.

No offense but I'm surprised you think your opinion of a character is more accurate when he has played the game and you have not.

Then again, I read the books that the character is based on ;) I don't think that my opinion is more accurate, it's just my view differs because of the source material I am familiar with.

I can't stop singing 'Silver and Steel'. I've been whistling it all day, and started singing the chorus in the queue at the supermarket before I realised what I was doing and snapped out of it. Funny looks doesn't even begin to cover what I was getting from people. You are entirely to blame!

The chorus is absolutely incredible though.

Hollyday:
I can't stop singing 'Silver and Steel'. I've been whistling it all day, and started singing the chorus in the queue at the supermarket before I realised what I was doing and snapped out of it. Funny looks doesn't even begin to cover what I was getting from people. You are entirely to blame!

The chorus is absolutely incredible though.

Ha, good to hear :D It happened to my girlfriend a few times too. She always seems to hum 'Mining All Day Long' walking down the street and get funny looks

MiracleOfSound:

Hollyday:
I can't stop singing 'Silver and Steel'. I've been whistling it all day, and started singing the chorus in the queue at the supermarket before I realised what I was doing and snapped out of it. Funny looks doesn't even begin to cover what I was getting from people. You are entirely to blame!

The chorus is absolutely incredible though.

Ha, good to hear :D It happened to my girlfriend a few times too. She always seems to hum 'Mining All Day Long' walking down the street and get funny looks

Lucky for some, I sing Shitstorm _

I seem to get a question in this most months. :D

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