Escapist Podcast: 046: 38 Studios Debacle and Gay Superheroes

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Thanks to Rule 34 you're bound to to run into the homosexual version of anything. And I'm okay with that as long as it isn't intended as an insult or misrepresents someone who is a real person. But as far as who should be homosexual in the DC Universe I have to go with....

SHAZAM!.... er.... Captain Marvel.

1. He's too young to have sex.
2. Others might find it cute if he kisses a boy & the boy kisses back.
3. Its a character that could relate to finding out their sexual orientation at that age.
4. It makes "One Million Moms" look like bullies for picking on a kid.

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As for most hated character.... I guess whoever won't allow my Female Khajiit to marry a Female Khajiit on my PS3 version. I can't afford to turn another Female into a Female Khajiit like those who were able to play it on the PC.

And as for Ulfric's racism.... I guess it never stood out for me. If he is so racist though why are the homeless in Windhelm both Nords? Wouldn't it make more sense that his racism would cause either the Argonians or the Dunmer to be homeless instead? Even then no Argonian or Dunmer were considered The Butcher during Blood On Thin Ice.

But then again I'm either playing as a Khajiit or Argonian. And I find the Imperials just as racist since even in the cities they control you won't find Khajiits.

A lot of racism surrounding the elves though stems from The Thalmor being racist toward humans. The whole Civil War started because The Thalmor barred Talos worship. An act that spits in The Eights faces when you realize they made Talos the 9th. And serves as a reminder that The Freedom Of Religion Requires The Freedom From Religion.

Also I forgot whether or not the Dunmer still practiced slavery in Morrowind. If they still do they deserve less than what they got in Skyrim. (Provided any of them owned Slaves.)

As far as hated characters go, I have to mention Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3.

In part because he's just a frustrating character, but mostly because of his annoying-as-fuck plot armor.

And while it has been ages since I played Starcraft, I have to agree on Arcturus Mengsk too.

JediMB:
As far as hated characters go, I have to mention Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3.

In part because he's just a frustrating character, but mostly because of his annoying-as-fuck plot armor.

And while it has been ages since I played Starcraft, I have to agree on Arcturus Mengsk too.

I wish I had remembered this during the podcast. Kai Leng would probably be second to Ulfric for me. Narratively, he came out of nowhere, looked like the star of some weird 1950s Asian BDSM VHS tape, and was just generally obnoxious from the first moment you meet him.

Mike Kayatta:

JediMB:
As far as hated characters go, I have to mention Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3.

In part because he's just a frustrating character, but mostly because of his annoying-as-fuck plot armor.

And while it has been ages since I played Starcraft, I have to agree on Arcturus Mengsk too.

I wish I had remembered this during the podcast. Kai Leng would probably be second to Ulfric for me. Narratively, he came out of nowhere, looked like the star of some weird 1950s Asian BDSM VHS tape, and was just generally obnoxious from the first moment you meet him.

BioWare seemed really proud of his looks, though, since they provided Kai Leng-esque alternate outfits for all of your human squad members.

The Escapist Staff:
046: 38 Studios Debacle and Gay Superheroes

This week we talk about what's rotten in the state of Rhode Island, DC's reboot of a hero as gay and what videogame character we despise.

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On DC's upcoming "outing," here's my list of hopes:

1. Avoid the characters that are "low-hanging fruit" for gay jokes, or even the most obvious choice. You all mentioned this one.

2. Find a way to reveal the character's sexual orientation without cramming him into a relationship immediately. Too often in fiction, a character who is made homosexual is also (probably unintentionally) shown throwing himself at every male, or the first other gay character to come around. It's like the unspoken rule on teen shows that if there are two black characters, they will be a couple.

3. If he wasn't an activist before, don't make him one now. Think Ellen Degeneres rather than Rosie O'Donnell. Making him too political is just as manipulative as making him too sexual would be.

Ok, so the pro-rights part: Yay! I hope its not just publicity driven.

The comic book nerd part: Its frustrating.

Firstly, love the podcasts, but your comic book knowledge is over 10 years out of date.

Secondly, I have real worries that they cannot do this well. Case in point is the portrayal of Starfire in the DCNu. Is the company that engages in this type of character assasination going to be able to create a fully realized gay character without falling back on stereotypes.

Thirdly, the deconstruction of continutity and characters that I have read for years bothers me. Not even talking about the events that are now out of continuity (Crisis :P), this will be a major change to a character that has a history. While I find it laudable that gay kids will have a role model to look up to, it will change the hero relationship for other readers. Not that you cannot idolize a character that is gay, but it essentially makes 2 characters. And since 99% of the iconic male characters have had major relationships over the course of continuity, this means that the older character no longer really exist (not b/c the character didn't go through a journey of choice to come to this realization, but b/c DC has eliminated the old character from continuity.)

Taking on this point, here are the major and minor iconics and what their chances of being this character are, IMHO:

Supes - Lois Lane, they aren't going to change this.
Batman - Considering that the first catwoman issue showed Bats and her in flagrante on the rooftops, not likely
Hal Jordan - unlikely, hes been portrayed as a horndog too long, plus Star Sapphire
John Stewart - possible, but he has a major romantic arc with Katma Tui
Guy Gardner - possible, again minor romantic arc with Ice
Kyle Rayner - more possible, last romantic arc was Alex DeWitt (See women in refrigerators), may not be in continuity anymore
Green Arrow - unlikely, hes been portrayed as a horndog too long, plus Black Canary
Aquaman - unlikely unless they ignore his history. He's king of Atlantis and Mera is his queen.
Martian Manhunter - possible, but really a cop-out as hes very alien
Cyborg - possible, they have been pushing him to be a major character, but he's still really a minor.
Dick Grayson (Robin) - unlikely, hes been portrayed as a horndog too long
Jason Todd (Robin) - dead
Tim Drake (Robin) - possible, some romantic arcs, but nothing iconic.
Damien (Robin) - possible, no major romantic arcs as hes relatively young. Youth plays against this.

Anyone else would be considered too minor to be listed as an "iconic" for marketing purposes.

Great podcast as usual!

Also, my vote goes to Daniel from Amnesia The Dark Descent to be the character I hate the most. He was written to be despised of course, but the fact that he fainted whenever he stood in the dark for two seconds didn't really help his cause.

And how could you forget about the character that inspired hate in a whole generation.

best podcast ever

HobbesMkii:

Susan Arendt:

HobbesMkii:
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I think you misunderstood what I was saying, but I appreciate the insight from someone who actually lives there.

You said the lesson was not to take money from a state who could "yoink" (you'll have to correct me on how to spell that word) it away. But as I said above, RI didn't "yoink" any money. So that would be an unrelated (though possibly still valid) lesson to learn. If that's a misunderstanding I apologize.

Calling in all the chips on a loan effectively is yoinking money away, especially when the loanee is looking to secure a bridge loan. This is especially true when it's being used to score political points in a news conference.

ravenshrike:

HobbesMkii:

Susan Arendt:

I think you misunderstood what I was saying, but I appreciate the insight from someone who actually lives there.

You said the lesson was not to take money from a state who could "yoink" (you'll have to correct me on how to spell that word) it away. But as I said above, RI didn't "yoink" any money. So that would be an unrelated (though possibly still valid) lesson to learn. If that's a misunderstanding I apologize.

Calling in all the chips on a loan effectively is yoinking money away, especially when the loanee is looking to secure a bridge loan. This is especially true when it's being used to score political points in a news conference.

No one "called in all the chips on the loan." 38 Studios couldn't make the FIRST payment of the loan. For a payment schedule they agreed upon. If you skip your mortgage payments, the bank takes your house. If you skip your car loan payments, they repossess your car. If you skip your economic development loan payments, they take your assets.

HobbesMkii:

ravenshrike:

HobbesMkii:

You said the lesson was not to take money from a state who could "yoink" (you'll have to correct me on how to spell that word) it away. But as I said above, RI didn't "yoink" any money. So that would be an unrelated (though possibly still valid) lesson to learn. If that's a misunderstanding I apologize.

Calling in all the chips on a loan effectively is yoinking money away, especially when the loanee is looking to secure a bridge loan. This is especially true when it's being used to score political points in a news conference.

No one "called in all the chips on the loan." 38 Studios couldn't make the FIRST payment of the loan. For a payment schedule they agreed upon. If you skip your mortgage payments, the bank takes your house. If you skip your car loan payments, they repossess your car. If you skip your economic development loan payments, they take your assets.

Actually, in most cases the loaner will be willing to go over everything and either wait or renegotiate terms. This is especially true of the first missed payment. Given that the missed payment looks like a cash flow issue from what little info we know, if the governor hadn't been looking to score political points he would have handled this much differently.

ravenshrike:

HobbesMkii:

ravenshrike:
Calling in all the chips on a loan effectively is yoinking money away, especially when the loanee is looking to secure a bridge loan. This is especially true when it's being used to score political points in a news conference.

No one "called in all the chips on the loan." 38 Studios couldn't make the FIRST payment of the loan. For a payment schedule they agreed upon. If you skip your mortgage payments, the bank takes your house. If you skip your car loan payments, they repossess your car. If you skip your economic development loan payments, they take your assets.

Actually, in most cases the loaner will be willing to go over everything and either wait or renegotiate terms. This is especially true of the first missed payment. Given that the missed payment looks like a cash flow issue from what little info we know, if the governor hadn't been looking to score political points he would have handled this much differently.

I think they had more than a cash flow issue. Schilling says they weren't ever going to get money from EA for Kingdoms of Amalur. He also hadn't paid his employees for weeks before the loan was due. That seems to me to indicate a severe problem with ever having money to pay back the RI Economic Development Council.

You're also wrong that the governor was out looking to score points from the getgo, or that he could have handled it better. As I've pointed out elsewhere, Schilling openly says in his interview with the Providence Journal that Chafee tried to get Schilling's film tax credit approved, (and this comes despite the fact Schilling had told FOX News pundits that tax credits were tantamount to government handouts and he would never take them). But, the original Democratic guy, Keith Stokes, who made the deal in the first place (and is Executive Director of the RI Economic Development Council) dragged his feet and as a result, they couldn't make the filing deadline, meaning 38 Studios no longer qualified for it.

After that, after there was nothing else the state could do, bar throwing more money at a deal that we Rhode Islanders disliked, that Chafee himself disliked as a candidate, then Chafee calls a press conference to tell everyone that 38 Studios is unable to pay back its RIEDC loan, which means that the state will be on the hook. I don't know how that makes Chafee the bad guy, here. I think most of the blame lies with Schilling for mismanaging his company and Keith Stokes for making a terrible deal for the state.

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