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Serial Monogamy

I can't date you, Diablo.

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Who, exactly, are you people who can't remember plot lines for more than ten minutes at a time?

It isn't like Diablo 2 was released in the 1850s.

This piece seemed muddled and all over the place. No offense, it was just hard to connect strongly with your points. And throwing in stuff about DRM and other objections seems like a good way to make sure people argue that over your actual points.

RvLeshrac:
Who, exactly, are you people who can't remember plot lines for more than ten minutes at a time?

It isn't like Diablo 2 was released in the 1850s.

Diablo 2 had a plot line? I just killed stuff. A lot. And drank potions. A lot.

I don't know, I'm older than a lot of the folks here, but by the time Diablo 2 dropped, I'd already figured out most fantasy games have about the same level of plot as porn.

My sense of humor is such that I found this hilarious. I get the impression a lot of people didn't really "get it" reading the responses and that it wasn't so much the content as the delivery, but that's okay, most people don't get my sense of humor either which is to me at least part of what makes it so funny. Still I would have thought this would have gone over better.

You might try and blind date with "Kingdoms Of Amalur", he's terminally ill and one step from the grave, but you'll probably have something special before he croaks. Gameplay wise it's sort of a cross between Skyrim and Diablo, and while the plot is... umm, there is one (I'll say that) it's open world and quite a lot of fun.

If you don't mind a bit of bi-sexual experimentation, Sacred 2 is pretty much what Diablo 3 wanted to be. If you can forgive her quirks, she's the same basic top down style (as opposed to a more third person/brawler type approach like Mr. Amalur) but has an open world, a lot more skill customization, and things like mounts you can ride around on. I was never able to clear the entire Sacred 2 map, it's just that big, but she kept me going for multiple playthroughs, including recycling the same character into higher difficulties with better loot.

So I got in, no idea what was going on, and I'm this white haired monk lady who's wearing next to nothing.

Well, if you don't watch the intro cinematic and voice-over, you're going to be lost. And if you give it more than 10 minutes of play, it shows that the characters actually do have a hint of personality to them and the plot gets more exposition.

Really, you took two pages to say... what... that you don't remember the plotline of diablo 2? That you only ever play one game at a time? That one can argue that video-games are like relationships? Was there even a point at all?

I don't know whether to say "Cool story, bro." or get angry about the time I wasted. And usually, escapist articles are decent, at least.

Ah well.

RvLeshrac:
Who, exactly, are you people who can't remember plot lines for more than ten minutes at a time?

It isn't like Diablo 2 was released in the 1850s.

I can only assume they were aiming for the "DudebroXBLACODgunironsightallactionallthetimeregeneratinghealth" demographic (or whatever it's called), and by default, everyone assumes that they don't want/ won't have long enough attention span for the story and want to skip to the action. Plus Diablo 2 was released just over 10 years ago, so it's not just the hardcore fans playing it, but the new guys need to be attracted to it as well.

I wonder if he feels the same way about Final Fantasy? (I feel that final fantasy 8 and 9 avoided the "good job, you win!" ending problem that he mentioned with skyrim)

The:
I can only assume they were aiming for the "DudebroXBLACODgunironsightallactionallthetimeregeneratinghealth" demographic (or whatever it's called), and by default, everyone assumes that they don't want/ won't have long enough attention span for the story and want to skip to the action.

I just assumed it was pointing out that Diablo 2's plot was as far from gripping or memorable as you can get. Seriously, when I hear people talk about "Diablo's story" I have a hard time taking anything they say seriously thereafter.

"There are some large demons doing bad things. They have to be stopped."

That about sums it up. The details? Well, the details never really have much effect on the game, so they're more or less irrelevant and, as such, easy to forget.

"blah blah DRM blah blah" indeed! Diablo 3 was far too controlling for me. Who wants to come home every night to "We're taking the system down for an update?" The relationship didn't last long.

Thanks for a very fun article.

Is the article about getting older and finding that you crave different, almost unknowable things from games?

Is Skyrim one that managed to keep you riveted until the end, but failed to hold you for longer, Mass Effect 2 a game that you disliked because you are bad at it that failed to catch you, Portal 2 a game with interesting enough mechanics to leave you wanting more, and Diablo 3 a game that seems to have zero point and, therefore, is completely uninteresting?

I find that I have the same problem with games as I get older. It used to be easier to get in to a game but now I find that it is much harder for me to stay with one. Like a relationship, it is hard to pin down exactly what makes certain ones work for me and others fail to do so.

I think that this is more or less the point of the article, but I'm not sure.

I might be forced to read a book or something.

A book?! The horror!

I did think that it'd be pretty hard for Diablo to age well. "Click on a monster until it dies" is a pretty monochrome game mechanic.

did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

You play Mass Effect like I play GTA. I imagine that every protagonist is just an incredibly bad driver. It's amazing how little evidence to the contrary exists in the games, and how easy it is to think of said evidence as sarcasm.

Sounds like skyrim has left you a little burned out of gaming,

perhaps reading a book series (or tv series) might appeal more,
or try some plotless games like plants vs zombies (etc)

llubtoille:
Sounds like skyrim has left you a little burned out of gaming,

perhaps reading a book series (or tv series) might appeal more,
or try some plotless games like plants vs zombies (etc)

Or Diablo III!

*duck*

I do like D3 and liked D2, story and all. I also remembered what was going on and liked that the game didn't feel the need to reiterate every detail. It also has journals you can find as you go along that recount what did happen from Caine's PoV, which always made me a little happy on some level when he'd say 'heroes' and meant 'you, the player'.

Zachary Amaranth:
...

I don't know, I'm older than a lot of the folks here, but by the time Diablo 2 dropped, I'd already figured out most fantasy games have about the same level of plot as porn.

I am almost 30 and I completely agree, aside from a few gems here and there most plots are very cliched, hackneyed, and devoid of any real meaning.

Mygaffer:

I am almost 30 and I completely agree, aside from a few gems here and there most plots are very cliched, hackneyed, and devoid of any real meaning.

I'm 32 coming up tomorrow, so similar age range.

Agreed on the gems. There have been some really good stories here and there, but most of them are so clichéd skipping the cutscenes means almost nothing except specific names.

Zachary Amaranth:

Diablo 2 had a plot line? I just killed stuff. A lot. And drank potions. A lot.

I don't know, I'm older than a lot of the folks here, but by the time Diablo 2 dropped, I'd already figured out most fantasy games have about the same level of plot as porn.

D2 had plot line, it was the sound effect played when you hit the zombies in the maze in LOD. I'm also older, not that far short of 40, and I agree that most games have very little plot beyond kill the wuzel. However I don't play games for the plot, games kinda suck at narrative and character. I play to beat the game rather than an interest in the story.

completely agreeing with Mur's article (i feel you), as well as Mygaffer and Zachary Amaranth

I wondered for quite some time now if games just get worse (because many don't really draw me in that much) or if i outgrow them (i don't want to, gaming's fun, and stuff ^^ ) or if one's standards just raise when you've seen quite a fair number of games over the years
after all, some new games (talkin triple A here) actuall ARE fun, like Portal 2 (it's still new-ish, right?), Mass Effect 3 (yes i liked it; the gameplay sucked bad (although they improved the chest-high-wall controls), but the atmosphere at the end in London made up for it; also: no really good ending - that was bold. liked it ^^ the first tough choice i had to make in a game in years), Total War Shogun 2, L4D 2

but the games that really worked very well for me all were indie games (thank you, steam!)

also, after reading lots of stuff about Diablo 3... i re-installed Diablo 2, and so far i have a blast... again xD
so it's really the games to blamed, i guess. (curse you, crappy new stuff! everything was better way back then, etc pp new stuff sucks ad nauseam!)

cheers!

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

No, he said he is bad at first person shooters. From my similar experience, Mass Effect has the similar gameplay to most first person shooters, but it's third person. Not really much difference.

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

Well, it certainly isn't an RPG -_-

Squidbulb:

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

No, he said he is bad at first person shooters. From my similar experience, Mass Effect has the similar gameplay to most first person shooters, but it's third person. Not really much difference.

hmm...I guess

not sure I really like it getting lumped in with the genre though..I think being 3rd person ames a difference (and is a preference of mine)

unrelated...bur thease lalalalala....I once enjoyed games when I was younger *insert whimsical reminicing on game* but woe is me, games today are not "x" blah blah blah pretentious whimsy peices kind of piss me off

mabye because i keep hearing this shit all the time

Grey Day for Elcia:

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

Well, it certainly isn't an RPG -_-

its more RPG than FPS

Vault101:

Grey Day for Elcia:

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

Well, it certainly isn't an RPG -_-

its more RPG than FPS

I'm sorry, your opinion is actually invalid, as it conflicts with my own--and mine is of course the correct opinion.

(Jokes, jokes)

Let's not have this conversation, because it goes nowhere and it totally doesn't matter what genre a game is at the end of the day.

Peace <3

Grey Day for Elcia:
]I'm sorry, your opinion is actually invalid, as it conflicts with my own--and mine is of course the correct opinion.

(Jokes, jokes)

Let's not have this conversation, because it goes nowhere and it totally doesn't matter what genre a game is at the end of the day.

Peace <3

what does FPS stand for?

-modern military setting?
-focus on multiplayer?
-brown drab graphics?
-a genre that over saturates the market?
-dumbed down "hand holding" gameplay?
-apeal to shitheads?

NO

it means

First Person Shooter

what perspective is Mass effect played it? 3rd person <- buy that fact alone it is more RPG than FPS (the FP part being the most important thing here) even if you find the RPG elements lacking

now what I think you mean is that Mass effect is "more shooter than RPG" which...well mabye but even then I'm still not 100% sure

you could even say mass effect is more space sim than FPS
more dating sim than FPS
more movie than FPS

its not a FPS is it really annoys me when people put it in the same group

The only time I've had trouble logging in while the servers were up was on launch night. I haven't had a problem since, and I've out in far too many hours so far.

When I saw the title and header beneath, I just couldn't help but think of this skit.

It's possible to be "bad" at Mass Effect 2? I don't know, I don't see it.

This entire article seems like a blog post.
I'm not sure what the point was.

Umm... (great way to start a post. I know!) I read the article and the replies, and I can only assume that many of you aren't of the same mindset as the writer, so let me try to explain what is going on here. Mind you -TRY-

I remember Diablo. Yeah, the original. In fact, I remember the games that inspired and lead to the creation of Diablo... Holy Shi-Fu-Bi-Mo-Ther-Klingon-Kermit-Frog AM I REALLY THAT OLD!

A moment to regain composure...

Every point the author touches on is a something I've felt/experienced before. If, as a gamer, you haven't - give it time. You will.

You see, a lot of what these Op-ed pieces try to do is to explain to those who are younger and (perhaps) not yet acquainted with notions of nostalgia and memories of the past, is that you will,

Someday,

Most Likely,

Have the same views about something you currently have a strong feeling about.

Umm.. (again, not the best use) Basically, it's saying that "This is going to happen to you. Read my article and maybe, just maybe it will have an impact. Who knows, it could prepare you for this eventuality more than I was when it happened to me. I hope it does."

Again, this won't ring true with a lot of you, but at least you'll know.

NOPE. NOT GOING TO DO THE OBVIOUS REFERENCE HERE. WE ARE ALL BETTER THAN THAT.
(at least those of us who aren't genX sitcom writers...)

And knowing is... DAMN IT!!!

While I do see where the OP is coming from, it simply doesn't correlate ... I mean ... it hardly makes sense and seems like just a bunch of anecdotes clashed together ...
So ... idea: decent. writing: not so much.

Mur Lafferty:
I might be forced to read a book or something.

Don't do it! Books are the Devil's work!

Vault101:

Squidbulb:

Vault101:
did he just refer to Mass effect 2 as a first person shooter?

No, he said he is bad at first person shooters. From my similar experience, Mass Effect has the similar gameplay to most first person shooters, but it's third person. Not really much difference.

hmm...I guess

not sure I really like it getting lumped in with the genre though..I think being 3rd person ames a difference (and is a preference of mine)

unrelated...bur thease lalalalala....I once enjoyed games when I was younger *insert whimsical reminicing on game* but woe is me, games today are not "x" blah blah blah pretentious whimsy peices kind of piss me off

mabye because i keep hearing this shit all the time

Well he never really nostalgiad over any old games, in fact the game he confessed to getting joy out of was Portal 2, which game out last year and is nothing like any games of the past (except for Portal 1 obviously.) He even kind of touched on the point that the core premise of what he liked in Diablo II, punch shit and take all the things, is still very much present. I think what he is really lamenting is that the games he mentioned are very shallow experiences and that is no longer enough for him.

As a guy who got into Warcraft when 3 came out, I'll say this: that game didn't tell you shit about what happened before in-game. You had to read the manual to figure out all the back story.

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