What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

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What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

Yahtzee goes down the list of possible antagonists for upcoming games.

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My vote goes to the Amish.

Why not sex offenders? Noone likes them.

The difficulty would be explaining why there is such a large confederation of sex offenders opposing you I guess...

Jocks.

Pirates.

Telemarketers.

The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

Draconalis:
My vote goes to the Amish.

At least there'd be no forum backlash.

I'm sure their dating sites would be abuzz with anger, though.

The executives of whatever company is publishing the game in question.

The Mongols were actually pretty cool. They conquered bloodily and horribly, but in their empire shit was awesome. There was absolute religious freedom and it was a very secure place. It was said that a man could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a plate of gold on his head and never risk being robbed.

That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.

TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

PMCs always make for good evil enemies.

I'm just waiting for the days when a UK Developer makes a game that does nothing but shoot Irish and Scottish people.

1 Million Moms. Then again, there are only around twelve members of that group, so it'd be a really short game.

Nazis aren't an ethnic group they're a political group :V

Also all Danes are Viking warriors still and we routinely raid Britain, we're just stealthy now. Thank Odin for the cardboard box.

Ekonk:
The Mongols were actually pretty cool. They conquered bloodily and horribly, but in their empire shit was awesome. There was absolute religious freedom and it was a very secure place. It was said that a man could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a plate of gold on his head and never risk being robbed.

That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.

TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

Someone's been watching Crash Course.

Bato:
I'm just waiting for the days when a UK Developer makes a game that does nothing but shoot Irish and Scottish people.

If I don't get to force at least one Welsh person to make sheep noises at gunpoint, then I'm calling bullshit. :P

TheYeIIowDucK:

Ekonk:
The Mongols were actually pretty cool. They conquered bloodily and horribly, but in their empire shit was awesome. There was absolute religious freedom and it was a very secure place. It was said that a man could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a plate of gold on his head and never risk being robbed.

That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.

TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

Someone's been watching Crash Course.

Pretty much what I was thinking too :P

Which is why I'm sad you didn't link it too. You must shill and share things you like, its modern day marketing.

Ooh! Marketers! I'm sure most people wouldn't be bothered by vilifying them. What if the real power behind the world was marketing?!

http://youtu.be/szxPar0BcMo

rollerfox88:
Why not sex offenders? Noone likes them.

The difficulty would be explaining why there is such a large confederation of sex offenders opposing you I guess...

Oh, that shouldn't be a problem. Rainbow Six Vegas got away with a terrorist cell having enough trained and armed commandos to take on the entire Las Vegas Police Department and a good chuck of the National Guard as a diversion for their real plan of brute-force assaulting a secret base.

And I'm of the opinion we should have more games where you play as the PMC. It makes for a nice, morally dubious protagonist, give you some possible moral choices, you can depict any conflict without making it seem you're glorifying one nation (i.e. the US) while demonizing the other (i.e. Russian), and most importantly for a game, you'd have some actual justification as to why you're going in with a small team or are unlocking more weapons as the game progresses. You need to make money on these missions. And we're done with Yathzee's problem with Modern Shooter that you're playing as a member of the all-powerful US army with hideous amounts of military hardware at its disposal, and yet you're constantly portrayed as the underdog before a huge swarm of russians or generic middle eastern baddies. I mean, the latter could be credible threats if we had to simulate making patrols day after day with no enemy in sight until they attack with IEDs, but that'd make for a pretty unpleasant game to play.

Istvan:
Nazis aren't an ethnic group they're a political group :V

Also all Danes are Viking warriors still and we routinely raid Britain, we're just stealthy now. Thank Odin for the cardboard box.

Actually, politics can be part of ethnicity. Common culture, language, religion (and with it also ideologies) and common descent can all contribute to the establishment of an ethnicity.

Especially if the political beliefs lead to them seperating themselves from people with other idealogies. If they can keep that up for more than a generation and sustain it they are an ethnicity.

The English seem a good target. Maybe in Argentina they are the antagonist already in some games? Or some big reenactment of Hastings in 2066. Although they have been the big bad guys before: The Patriot, so that might get a bit old too. And I wonder what Assassin's Creed 3 is up to in that department.

Ekonk:
TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.

Life was also pretty sweet for Germans in Nazi Germany, that's just how it is when you're at the correct end of the unstoppable war machine.

Unfortunately, ancient people can't get mowed down by machine gun fire. Unless the game in question happens to be about a time machine of sorts.

Why not simply set it in the future and have the enemy be France or Poland? Afterall, a nation's morals can greatly change across the ages, so we can use that as an excuse.

Simple, the French.

Honestly I've gotten tired of killing Nazis because in the end I like the Germans, well the generations since then at least. But as for the French, I don't think there's been a time in the world anyone has ever liked them. They can be more smug than the English, more harsh than the Germans, and bigger assholes than the Americans. I really think they can be the perfect villains, and a delight to murder in the masses. But then again there's that whole surrendering thing they're known for, with that I say have it take place in Napoleonic Era when they supposedly had a lot more balls and it'll be perfect...^^

I guess the reason why Baltic people are never any antagonistic group is that we're fricken' hard to kill. I mean, just look at Latvia which has been invaded a multum times the past 900-ish years and yet we still exist, along with Estonians and Lithuanians (spelling blargh)like some kind of unremovable stain.

Also, were great pals with at least Swedish vikings.

The French would be perfect as an antagonistic group in games, no one would ever see it coming.

DVS BSTrD:
The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

That's it in a nutshell. Despite the numerous genocides of the twentieth century (Cambodia, anyone?), the Nazis remain the archetype of the Really Bad in Western Culture. Pirates were a pretty nasty bunch, for example. But a few hundred years later, we think of them as fun loving Johnny Depp types, whose worst personal traits are a fondness for alcohol and a disdain for bathing. Yaarrr! The Spanish Inquisition is just the butt of an overquoted sketch. Even Ghengis Khan, who'd massacre entire villages on a regular basis, is a national icon in Mongolia (far from "faintly embarassing" modern Mongols, as Yahtzee asserts).

There really aren't any good analogies to Nazis these days. Terrorists? Yeah, and they get used by Hollywood a lot, but they just don't present the whole Evil Empire thing like the snappily dressing Nazis did. Other super nasty folks just don't resonate with Westerners for whatever reason. Idi Amin and Pol Pot were just as evil as Hitler, but it's doubtful they'd ever make an appearence in a videogame. Perhaps they just didn't threaten the West enough, or perhaps it's that they didn't get their proper comeuppance like Hitler did, which makes for a lack of "feel goodness".

Of course, in the end, it's about a certain narrative laziness. As good fantasy and SF shows, you can have utterly awful fictional enemies that the audience is happy to boo. But that requires the writers to spend time showing why these nasties are so nasty. You can't just throw an SS uniform on them and call it done (unless your name is George Lucas, I suppose)

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What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?

Yahtzee goes down the list of possible antagonists for upcoming games.

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thats easy. religious people. everyone seems to start to hate them because of a few assholes (westboro baptist church)

see sol: exodus

Unfortunately, the Children of Dawn, a pseudo-Christian cult show up and wipe out the research party investigating the planet in an attempt to prevent the information of this new planet being discovered. Apparently, they want the universe to end and looking forward to the death of the sun with religious fervor.

the sun is about to die, people start searching for a new home planet, religious people think that it is gods will that we die and start holding everyone hostage on earth until the sun goes supernova. and you are the one that has to show the others that there is another planet fit for life.

plus i am dissapointed of the lack of Khmer Rouges.
they killed off 1/3 of their population for stupid things like being late to work.
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instead he just listed Really, really blonde people and vikings.

Ethnic group? I realize the Nazi's hate everyone, but they're so fucking stupid that their iron fisted behaviour has blackened all dictatorships since they were around. People think the KGB just kicks in doors while spouting political crap and killing people all because its how the Gestapo behaved. Nazi's aren't an ethnic group, hell I've heard tell that quite a bit of their membership was partially Jewish! They're a bullshit political movement.

As for who would make enemies akin to them next? It'll either be some country kicked out of the EU due to economic strain, leading to a resentful population rebuilding its economy on war's back, or else it will be the US. There aren't any other real options out there from the looks of things. Although, if Putin's political faction is annihilated in the next election it could be Russia. Their youth long for better days, days their parents tell them they saw - itself a terrifying idea. So many of them seek to form a fascist empire rather then a communist one, and preach white supremacy. The world turns and corpses naturally seem to turn in their graves with it.

Ignorance and poverty breed men and women into enemies of humanity. Seek the man with half a book and you've found the most dangerous adversary you can. Watch Greece closely if you want to find the next major threat to mankind akin to the Nazi's. Alone they couldn't muster what Germany did, but they aren't the only country in the EU suffering so much poverty they could be dumped from it. A unification of those nations abandon by the EU for financial reasons could give rise to the next great enemy of mankind with relative ease.

And I would add that the impossibility of the task before such heinous states means nothing. Population density alone should have warned the German Senior Staff that the wars Hitler was starting were impossible to perceiver in, but it didn't.

Few movements have managed to so thoroughly divest themselves of beneficial anything as the Nazi movement has. And equally few are so damn impossible to apologize for. Its important to remember that this isn't a German thing, this is a Nazi thing. Nazi's suck. People should be desensitized to taking them out.

XMark:
PMCs always make for good evil enemies.

Until you start looking at their invoices and realize why your taxes are so high.

Nomanslander:
Simple, the French...But as for the French, I don't think there's been a time in the world anyone has ever liked them.

Sez you. I'm halfway convinced the world would be better off if Napoleon had conquered it. But that might be because Napoleon was actually Corsican.

Mouse One:

DVS BSTrD:
The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

That's it in a nutshell. Despite the numerous genocides of the twentieth century (Cambodia, anyone?), the Nazis remain the archetype of the Really Bad in Western Culture. Pirates were a pretty nasty bunch, for example. But a few hundred years later, we think of them as fun loving Johnny Depp types, whose worst personal traits are a fondness for alcohol and a disdain for bathing. Yaarrr! The Spanish Inquisition is just the butt of an overquoted sketch. Even Ghengis Khan, who'd massacre entire villages on a regular basis, is a national icon in Mongolia (far from "faintly embarassing" modern Mongols, as Yahtzee asserts).

I still wouldn't Ghengis as bad as Hitler. If you surrendered all he demanded was tribute, otherwise do as you please. It was only those who were stupid enough to think that they could stand against him that he had no pity for, and quite frankly neither do I.

Militant radioactive mutated furries.

No one likes those.

Brits.

We have that offhand condescending superiority that drives the lesser races foreigners into a foaming frenzy of hatred, our long imperial history means we've been horrible to just about everyone at some time or other so everyone can be convinced that they're due some payback, and we're a (reasonably successful) multi cultural society nowadays so you can do colourblind casting for your villains.

Also the accents.

I think it's already happening. Killzone was bad enough - sure I expect the high ranking villains to have british accents, but I was genuinely taken aback when I saw clips of the rank and file sounding like british squaddies. (Leaving aside that the Helghast should be the protagonists anyway.)

But it was The Old Republic that really made me think "we're next." Again I was expecting the high ranks to be brits, but there's an imperial NPC early on with a welsh accent, so I guess that makes us all evil now.

Why would there need to be a Western European? Wheeler was already there representing the West. Granted Wheeler was a bit of prick, but still...

Casual Shinji:
Why not simply set it in the future and have the enemy be France or Poland? Afterall, a nation's morals can greatly change across the ages, so we can use that as an excuse.

Because if you were selling a book in post-WWI Germany entitled "In 20 Years You'll be Known as a Bunch of Genocidal Megalomaniacs" you wouldn't get many buyers, no matter how right you were.

My call would be sex offenders and/or religious zealots... though there might be backlash on the latter.

(Personally, I have nothing against shooting a Nazi "below the belt"... but I hate Nazis with a fervent passion, so what do I know?)

Romans?

Like future Romans? Like an alternate history where Rome didn't become corrupt and fall?

Catholic church. Is there something that is less popular nowadays? I would also add evil corporations. A game about attacking EA would be good fun! Mmm, I'd like an Assassin's Creed fighting those!

ACman:
Romans?

Like future Romans? Like an alternate history where Rome didn't become corrupt and fall?

romans from the dark side of the moon.

DVS BSTrD:
The problem with your historical examples is that their infractions against human decency took place so long ago that its not possible to get the same schadenfreude factor. It would have to be somebody recent like Mexican drug lords, the Syrian army or gingers.

and no one says the Lord's Resistance Army.

didnt the kony fiasco gave you enough cut limbs and lips to just hate them?

Yankeedoodles:
Why would there need to be a Western European? Wheeler was already there representing the West. Granted Wheeler was a bit of prick, but still...

Because in the opening, they made it abundantly clear he was from "North America". They actually outright stated it. Europe was sort of conflated with the soviet Union and Linka, with the power of wind.

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