Hitman: Plan B

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Hehe, battle nuns. There is something terrifically amusing in that.

DirtyJunkieScum:

Torrasque:
It is more of a *poke* "ow that kind of hurt" *BRUTALIZES NUN THAT SLASHED HIM*, than any real harm.
Yes he is the heroin, but I'm pretty sure a trained assassin with a pair of daggers that has your back exposed, is smart enough to plant them in your exposed kidneys.

Maybe if they were bread knives she would have done more dps? HEYOOOO~!!!

Stab proof vest? Be a fairly clever investment in has line of work. Also he is the hero, not a brand of opiate painkiller.

OT: Yeah, if this had been a guy dispatching a band of female mercs in tac gear then it would have felt a bit odd but sticking them in sexy nun fancy dress is a bit of an eyebrow raiser. I mean, did you see the shoes at the start? Walking in something like that must be a mare, let alone engaging in hand to hand combat, sneaking around quietly or maintaining your balance while firing a weapon.

My bad. It seems I misspelled heroine, but that is a female hero, which is also wrong. I blame lack of sleep.
I doubt he has a stab-proof vest since he has always been the kind of assassin that kills a target without threat of retaliation, or kills multiple targets so fast that he doesn't have to worry about being stabbed. Seeing this kind of combat is just weird.

The only thing I'll say about the trailer (because everyone else pretty much covered the "Is it sexist or not" aspect) is that I just hope that the nuns actually are in the game, because if it's one thing that grinds my gears, its not controversy, but controversy that isn't even there for the final product. At least stick to your guns when doing things like this and add what you show, even if people don't like it. Seeing as how weird/crazy/sexualized all the other enemies in previous games have been, there's no reason why nuns-with-guns CAN'T fit in this games universe.

CAPTCHA: count your change
Huh, oh you're right, I should make sure I didn't lose anything! Surely nothing bad can happen if-- *Neck snapped by 47*

yay! gags!

funneh and yes sexy assassin nuns wtf, thats just stupid.

Amnestic:

Secret world leader (shhh):
While it's not quite the attack against women some have seen it as, it certainly is dumb and, assuming the shock value was intentional (why wouldn't it be?) really quite pathetic. Is this how videogame advertising is always going to be? Are we going to see 47 strangling a baby in the next trailer to rile up the controversey machine?

Controversy sells apparently. At least that's what the marketing team takes away from the likes of Modern Warfare. First the nuke, then the airport terrorism, then the...whatever it was in #3. Chemical bombs in London? Yeah, that. Then Treyarch went and got a war criminal to advertise Black Ops 2, which I think was the most preordered game in history?

It's hard to argue with numbers like those. I don't like it any better than you, but the numbers game is not in our favour.

I actually wrote a blog post about this trailer and i think this is appropriate:

You know, what can we actually do in situations like these? If we let this slide without raising an eyebrow, it'll be deemed absolutely fine and will continue as normal, if we DO talk about it, we're just giving the marketers what they want, exposure. Is there a way we can talk about this, and other cases like this, in a constructive, thoughtful manner? That doesn't just set off a bright, burning flamewar that attracts more people to the product due to its intensity? 

I'm not sure guys, i'm not sure.

Blablahb:
I do wish him a lot of luck trying to strangle someone like shown in the cartoon. That'll take forever.

But it's a great satire regardless. The more stuff like this I see of Absolution, the more I think they're really going to help the Hitman series to shit with that stuff.

MatsVS:
who claim that explicitly sexualised violence against women is the same as violence against men

But it is, it really is. Punch a woman or punch a man; in both cases it's not so nice to do, and it hurts.

You turn a corner, and see a guy in full body armour. he;s obviously well trained, and is armed. in fact he's drawing a bead on you right now, you shoot him, and kill him.

You turn a corner, and see a woman in lacy underwear. She obviously a civilian and is unarmed. in fact her eyes are widening in fear as she's seeing an armed man advancing on her. You shoot her, and kill her.

Again, the point is CONTEXT. Sexualised violence by its very definition adds an unnecessary and unpleasant dimension of sexuality to the situation. Your not fighting a dangerous man or woman who looks like he/she is a soldier/bodyguard/minion of evil, your fighting an underwear model who's flashing her boobs at you. She's not a threat, she's some T&A for you to ogle. Combining that witht he fact your supposed to kill her... yeah, its all a bit on the creepy side.

I actually watched a gameplay vid of the 'doorstop' situation alluded to in a previous critical miss. Ignoring the bits where you kill monsters, you essentially have a burly, powerful man pushing and dragging a weak, frightened, near naked woman (some censor blurs added by the video itself showing she's at least topless, so the male viewers can ogle her tits) before literally using her in a manner that kills her.

GangstaPony:
The problem is that it looks more like a Saints Row trailer (Hell the Assassin's are even called "The Saints") than a Hitman trailer. The problem is NOT that a woman gets her face smashed in, the problem is that she's in fetish gear as opposed to regular clothing.

Yeah I have to admit when I saw them at first I thought "Battle Nuns? Well it's an effective disguise, you can probably hide some weapons in the outfit, it puts targets at ease it's reasonable to say they'd make good assasins" Then then outfits came off and the RPGs came out and the trailer looked less like it was for a subtle assasination game and more like a boring and bland third person shooter with some done to death gimic like bullet time.

It really is incredible how most guys just don't get why something like this is sexist. It goes a long way towards explaining why casual, mindless sexism still exists.

The trailer is about a large group of personality-and-identity-free scantily clad women being beaten, choked, and shot to death by a large well-dressed white man. They even provide a scene of him getting himself ready in the bathroom, in order to humanize him. The women are, of course, pure fap material and largely interchangeable. They are dressed in ways to make their profession totally impractical and nothing they do makes any logical sense, so it's a bit like violence porno.

If you cannot see the problem with the glorification of ruthless violence committed on sexualized, dehumanized women, then you are a little behind on your societal sensitivity, my friend.

Yes, a lot of games involve of killing hordes of men. Yes, a lot of those men tend to be faceless drones served up for murder. But ask yourself this: how many of them are depicted in such a way as to give you an erection while you're killing them?

It's dumb, it's insulting, and really, we *should* be way past this. The fact that we clearly are *not* is the problem, gents. Get yourself some class and get with the zeitgeist before it runs you over.

Torrasque:
My bad. It seems I misspelled heroine, but that is a female hero, which is also wrong. I blame lack of sleep.
I doubt he has a stab-proof vest since he has always been the kind of assassin that kills a target without threat of retaliation, or kills multiple targets so fast that he doesn't have to worry about being stabbed. Seeing this kind of combat is just weird.

He should though, things can always go wrong, it doesn't hurt to be prepared. If he can be attacked by a bunch of women in sexy nun outfits then pretty much anything can happen.

Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.

Aaw man, I was looking forward to seeing how the main story would progress. Fun strip though.

Grey Carter:
Hitman: Plan B

A bad habit.

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did you use that april fools tomb raider joke character 'valkyrie wyld' i think was the name, in the last panel?

Oh dear. I feel I should be making more of an effort to care, but at the same time I think my apathy is the only thing stopping me from being dragged headlong into what is fast shaping up to be a flamewar.

I hope the game's good though.

zombie711:
OH God What happened to that strippers spine? Does she have scoliosis?

Liefeld's disease.

Nice use of the "improbable comic book female pose" Grey.

Eric the Orange:
Nice use of the "improbable comic book female pose" Grey.

That was all Cory's idea. I take no credit.

DVS BSTrD:

Grey Carter:
A bad habit.

We'll be having nun of that today Mr. Carter

I Pope you are kidding, there is a literal ark filled with potential puns here.

MatsVS:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.

I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.

Crimson_Dragoon:

MatsVS:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.

I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.

What I took from their newspost was that the trailer is pretty stupid, but Hitman trailers tend to be and that it is no reflection of the medium as a whole that one design team made one stupid segment in one game.

Maybe I'm a sexist pig but this just doesn't offend me.

Kalezian:

DVS BSTrD:

Grey Carter:
A bad habit.

We'll be having nun of that today Mr. Carter

I Pope you are kidding, there is a literal ark filled with potential puns here.

Will this cloister-fuck ever end?

I think the "controversy" would be worse if the assassins were male. Just picture them as a group of monks. The camera stares lovingly at their butts, they take off their habits and put plastic balls in their mouths. They are wearing just a few strips of latex, the camera zooms in on their hanging genitals and muscular chests...as they are being brutally killed.

Let's make another virtually identical trailer, only with a female Agent 47 and male monks wearing bondage gear under their robes, and all will be well.

Is it me, or does the left nun sort of looks like....a love doll...?

Those shines, those distant looking eyes and those large lips...he got attacked by a scantly clad nun and a blowup doll wearing a nun suit?

I would have to agree. Your protagonist is a contract killer. These aren't generally nice people, not the sort of people you root for. I just watched the trailer that this was based on and I'm kind of dumbfounded as to put in to words how fucking stupid that was. I played the first hitman when it came out and it was kind of fun, in a morbidly interesting way, but this is like a combination of that game and saints row, just bursting with pixels of idiocy.

Crimson_Dragoon:

MatsVS:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.

I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.

They certainly went a long way to avoid condemning it, and taken in conjunction with the Dickwolves-fiasco and Gabe's pathetic defence of the rape simulator, a pattern emerges. Honestly, they keep missing the point so profusely, one must wonder if this is some elaborate prank at the expense of feminists and feminist allies everywhere.

"The answer is always more art; the corollary to that is the answer is never less art."

Yes, less rapey art can NEVER be a good thing.

Dominic Burchnall:
Considering that the entire basis of this game is to skillfully murder people, I'd stay that person at IGN has their wires crossed.

Also, considering that some of Agent 47's previous missions have involved obese butchers at fetish parties, porn barons at christmas shindigs, and anarchists in bird costumes, this isn't even the oddest thing I've seen in a Hitman game.

Yes, but so far the entire concept of Hitman has been skillful, pragmatic, and intelligent murder. The eyebrow-raising characters in previous games were always part of a legitimately seedy scenario. The stripper angels were placed in a sex club, the christmas shindig was at a porn baron's hideout, and the fat butcher was at an underground fetish/night club.
Without explanation this is nothing more than the umpteenth variation of "chain mail bikini and stiletto heels" being taken seriously as combat attire.

It might not be the oddest thing to feature in a Hitman game, but coming from a series that always has been about intelligent execution it certainly is the most worrisome.

As to the series having a track record of fetishizing violence: guilty as charged. Heck, it's a game centered around finding creative ways to stealthily (and quite likely: brutally) murder your targets. It's really not going to dodge that claim.

Denamic:
Let's make another virtually identical trailer, only with a female Agent 47 and male monks wearing bondage gear under their robes, and all will be well.

Now that would be something you'd expect in a Hitman game.

itsthesheppy:
It really is incredible how most guys just don't get why something like this is sexist. It goes a long way towards explaining why casual, mindless sexism still exists.

The trailer is about a large group of personality-and-identity-free scantily clad women being beaten, choked, and shot to death by a large well-dressed white man. They even provide a scene of him getting himself ready in the bathroom, in order to humanize him. The women are, of course, pure fap material and largely interchangeable. They are dressed in ways to make their profession totally impractical and nothing they do makes any logical sense, so it's a bit like violence porno.

Context. If we go into this video knowing nothing about Agent 47, then nobody involved as a personality. The man is shown as no stranger to violence, given the bloody wounds over his body, but we don't know who he is or anything about him just from what we see in this trailer.

The women are initially shown dressed in the garb of nuns. Why are they dressed this way? We don't know from the trailer, but it seems to be intended as camouflage. Nuns are sweet and innocent lambs of the church, completely harmless. The habits come off, and the outfits beneath are far from sweet and innocent. In fact, they're the exact opposite of their previous clothes, just to intensify that shock of realizing they're not who they were claiming to be.

Then, to cement this shock, they commit an act of violence. We don't know why they're doing it, but we can tell that they're no stranger to these sorts of acts. These are not innocent nuns with a secret leather fetish. These are trained and most likely hired killers. Their outfits are as much a weapon as the guns and rocket launchers they carry. Impractical, sure, but well-served for distraction, a distraction that would cost their victim their lives. Because these women aren't soldiers. They're not fighting on the front lines dressed like this, they're assassins.

Their aggression is matched in kind and it quickly becomes obvious that, no matter how well-trained these women are, he's still better. So much better, in fact, that he dispatches them with ease. We can see that in no uncertain terms. And finally, the last of them is dead on the ground. At this point, they are truly dehumanized, as they are now just corpses. But then, in contrast to the brutality with which she was killed, the man gently closes her eyes. His last act is to humanize them.

If you cannot see the problem with the glorification of ruthless violence committed on sexualized, dehumanized women, then you are a little behind on your societal sensitivity, my friend.

Yes, it is the glorification of ruthless violence. But their sexuality is just part of their personality, and the dehumanizing is merely from a lack of context.

Yes, a lot of games involve of killing hordes of men. Yes, a lot of those men tend to be faceless drones served up for murder. But ask yourself this: how many of them are depicted in such a way as to give you an erection while you're killing them?

And these were women who were faceless drones served up for murder. And I would posit that anyone who got an erection while watching this has some serious issues. It's violence first, and sexuality a distant second.

Isn't everyone also forgetting that Hitman has had this problem before?

There was a series of "Executed" ads, in which a woman was dead in lingerie, on a bed, and the tag-line was "Beautifully executed". Pretty much the same controversy reared it's head then. Here it is (sorry for stupidly long link):

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=UFHgGQlX7KFUvM:&imgrefurl=http://kitzy-katzy.deviantart.com/art/Beautifully-executed-56158244&docid=O3D-hvw3NjMO8M&imgurl=http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs18/i/2007/146/2/d/Beautifully_executed_by_kitzy_katzy.jpg&w=600&h=375&ei=5R3JT_vSHJDf8QPi4v3VDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=182&vpy=166&dur=304&hovh=138&hovw=198&tx=150&ty=114&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=191&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:71

Isn't the same problem inherent in pretty much every CSI episode? You have some woman, usually in a bikini, murdered for some reason or other, and quite a lot of the episode features her on post-mortem tables, or being rolled out of cabinets. I stopped watching the show because it began to feel worryingly voyeuristic.

I'm not justifying it, really - but it's a far wider problem than just this one trailer.

For reference: the other "Executed" posters:
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&sa=N&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=UFHgGQlX7KFUvM:&imgrefurl=http://kitzy-katzy.deviantart.com/art/Beautifully-executed-56158244&docid=O3D-hvw3NjMO8M&imgurl=http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs18/i/2007/146/2/d/Beautifully_executed_by_kitzy_katzy.jpg&w=600&h=375&ei=5R3JT_vSHJDf8QPi4v3VDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=182&vpy=166&dur=304&hovh=138&hovw=198&tx=150&ty=114&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=135&tbnw=191&start=0&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:71

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB402GB402&biw=1280&bih=929&tbm=isch&tbnid=XKBJ4ERm-GeoQM:&imgrefurl=http://www.giantbomb.com/hitman/62-306/&docid=KikY1e4HMfPsCM&imgurl=http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3107/407260-coldy_exectued_super.jpg&w=600&h=450&ei=lx7JT5WoGM6u8QO3x5XZDw&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=443&sig=105452377303409182584&page=1&tbnh=125&tbnw=156&start=0&ndsp=30&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:69&tx=76&ty=10

MatsVS:

Crimson_Dragoon:

MatsVS:
Penny Arcade, of course, once again came down on the side of rape culture.

I think that's going to need a little more clarification. I just read their comic and accompanying text on the matter and it doesn't seem like they take a side in it, besides making fun of the whole thing. They certainly don't defend the trailer, if that's what you're implying.

They certainly went a long way to avoid condemning it, and taken in conjunction with the Dickwolves-fiasco and Gabe's pathetic defence of the rape simulator, a pattern emerges. Honestly, they keep missing the point so profusely, one must wonder if this is some elaborate prank at the expense of feminists and feminist allies everywhere.

"The answer is always more art; the corollary to that is the answer is never less art."

Yes, less rapey art can NEVER be a good thing.

Depends on how much you like hentai.

All kidding aside, I just don't see it. Yes, Penny Arcade has made jokes about rape before. But all that says is that they don't see the subject as some sort of imaginary line they shouldn't cross. Is it tasteless or unfunny? I guess that depends on who's viewing it. But making a joke about something and actually supporting that thing are not two and the same.

Besides, the guys at Penny Arcade usually take a "live and let live" attitude to everything. As in "if you like it, have at it; if you don't, pass it by."

Secret world leader (shhh):
While it's not quite the attack against women some have seen it as, it certainly is dumb and, assuming the shock value was intentional (why wouldn't it be?) really quite pathetic. Is this how videogame advertising is always going to be? Are we going to see 47 strangling a baby in the next trailer to rile up the controversey machine?

You mean strangling a baby... in slow motion!

Yeah it's stupid, but it probably worked. I started to watch the trailer and then I realised I was too tired for this rubbish but I'm pretty sure if you didn't know a Hitman game was coming out, you know now

That it can be claimed that wearing sexualizing outfits 'distracts' people in a fight with a straight face is rather astounding. It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that point. They're not dressed that way to distract the Hitman. If they really wanted to kill him, they should have just waited for him to come outside, kept the nun costumes on, and then riddled him with bullets when he least expected it.

They wore those outfits to titillate *you*. After all, I don't know of many video games heroes who go around dressed like a male stripper in order to 'distract' their opponents. No, men usually get full suits of armor or, in this case, snappy business suits. Women, of course, get to be "sexy _________" because that is their role. To titillate us.

And then of course the square-jawed professional beats the hell out of them with little effort on his part. Maybe because he wasn't inexplicably wearing high-heeled fetish boots to a hit.

Ridiculous and insulting.

It doesn't help things, from my perspective, that it's the Saints trailer, a word that has come to ironically mean "filled with absurd sexual hyperviolence" for me. Gee, wonder how that happened...

My biggest issue with the trailer is the damn clothes. Not because they're sexualize, per se, but because they make no goddamn sense. No woman is going to wear platform heels in a situation where she might have to run, or get into a physical altercation. Fishnet stockings? Laughable. Something with a boning, like a corset? Not if you plan on breathing particularly well. The aggravating part is that they all could've worn catsuits a la Black Widow in The Avengers and could've been "sexy" but also made sense from a practical point of view (though something like spandex would make far more sense than leather, though leather does help serve as moderate body armor against slashing attacks).

The nun outfits, as represented, are one of two things: a shtick or a disguise. If these lady assassins have some kind of gimmick, like the gangs in The Warriors do, then fine...it's stupid, but ok. But if these are actually meant to be disguises, it makes no sense because they wouldn't actually work, even from a distance.

I have no problem with sexy characters, but for god's sake, can we have it make sense? If it doesn't make sense in context for a woman to be wearing a merry widow, don't put her in one.

itsthesheppy:
They wore those outfits to titillate *you*.

If they only wanted to titillate, they wouldn't have had them brutally killed afterwards.

Qitz:
Poor Agent 47, even on his Birthday, someone's trying to kill him.

Least he can grope the corpse afterwords.

I find that comment very disturbing and in poor taste, especially after I was glad to see Carter start an intellectul debate about the matter.

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