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Junk Drawer Rises

This week, Moviebob takes a look at Wreck-It Ralph, the Super Mario franchise, and Django Unchained.

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NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BATMAN!!!!!!!!

Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

saintdane05:
NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BATMAN!!!!!!!!

I will echo this one, again.

PS - you're gonna get a lot of quotes for that one.

saintdane05:
NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BATMAN!!!!!!!!

If it continues in the vein of AA/AC and the Begins trilogy, yeah I totally agree with this

Captcha" get over it. LOL

I actually wish Django Unchained was coming out before the election, just to see how many stupid white people it scares into voting for Romney. Hell they could at least put it on the day of the Mayan Apocalypse and see if a race war breaks out. JOKING! JOKING!

And hey, maybe Zangief was just Bison's ride that day? But on the other hand he IS gay, so that makes him a villain by default. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

The thing with the Mario side-scrollers and all the "mainstream" Mario games are all pretty much made in-house by Nintendo EAD, Nintendo EAD Tokyo, etc., while the Mario spin-offs are made by different divisions of Nintendo or by straight-up third party developers. Is it really that much of a stretch to ask Nintendo maybe, just made, to add a bit more variety to their own games that they, themselves, make? Like another Super Mario Bros. 2-style game? That would be sweet...

Also, who's the Beholder?

Sis:
Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Pretty much this.

And as a fan of the EA Sports NHL franchise, I think it's asinine to talk about how much Mario has innovated and then say those games haven't innovated at all. It just comes off as super pretentious.

"Yeah. I grew up with the NES. My franchise of choice is better than YOUR franchise of choice."

I grew up with an NES too. I'm just not a pretentious ass about it.

I am a great lover of Batman, but I do feel he gets WAY over used (and over crapped) because he is the ONLY FUCKING DC character who is both interesting and not a Red and Blue flying deus ex machina. So I agree with that point to an extent.
Also, much appreciation for the Mario vs. Call of Duty thing. I have had WAY too many arguments about that.

Enough Batman? Welcome to my world, living in there for about... well, basicly since the hype of "Dark Knight" was over and before that, I also never cared about a rich guy wearing underpants on his head.

And regarding the Super Mario comment - seems SOMEONE didn't understand the critic regarding those games. It's not the franchise entirely, it's that the 2D-Platformers (as well as some 3D-ones) they now release praise their "new innovations" stuff we've seen in previous games. Galaxy 2? Yoshi - seen already in Super Mario World. And Sunshine.
New Super Mario Bros? Being the same as Super Mario Bros.
New Super Mario Bros Wii? Yoshi, again.
3D Land? Raccoon Tail - seen already in Super Mario Bros. 3.

Nothing against using old concepts in new games, but when the new games just take old ideas and mix those together, then... yeah...

I don't usually do the inb4 thing but...

saintdane05:
NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BATMAN!!!!!!!!

Oh, never mind then.

Anyway, I seem to remember reading a while back that they're already talking about the next Batman movie reboot. Personally I'm not really a fan of the Nolanverse, but even I'll admit he's done probably the best 'realistic' take on Batman anyone could ask for. Likewise, nobody's likely to do gothic Batman better than Tim Burton.

So what's left other than straight superhero Batman? Well, if they're serious about doing the JLA then it would make sense to use their flagship movie character (sorry, supes) as the centre of it, but DC just suck at straight superhero movies. The last time they did it right was the early 80s and Superman II.

And they're not learning from Marvel. 'Arrow'? I thought if nothing else the success of the Marvelverse movies meant that comic book movies didn't have to be ashamed of their source material anymore? But no... 'Arrow' just screams of the same lack of confidence that meant it took until the Avengers movies for big screen superheroes to actually have the right costumes.

(And I'm getting the same vibe from what little I've seen of the Superman reboot.)

Oh DC, give it up now. Let Bats rest for a few years. Otherwise we're going to get another Batman and Robin.

Heh, agree SO much on the Mario front.

Thing is, even if they are just pumping out side-scrollers, things shake up a bit. New powerups, new enemies, new ways to interact with the environment (or using modern tech to put a unique spin on the old stuff) and generally giving us a grand experience.

No matter what CoD fans claim, reskinning guns and 'new' perks is nothin to write home about.

Actually, I just want to go to town on that particular topic. Call of Duty has some of the most god damn BORING shooting in all of videogame history. I just had a quick look through my collection of First Person Shooters, and here's a couple of gems from the 'retro' (PS2 and older) section, in no particular order.

A shotgun that fires nails.
A shotgun that fires bouncing explosive shells.
A triple-barrel gatling gun where each barrel is a six-barrel minigun.
A frag grenade made out of flubber.
A self-guiding drill that homes in on brainwaves.
A gravity gun that lets you fire anything at anyone, and by extension can be used to kill zombies with paint cans.
A watch laser.
The Big Fucking Gun 9000.

In this list we have everything from the nifty but near useless to the outright insane. Does any weapon in 90% of modern shooters deserve to be anywhere near this list? Honestly, the only gun I can think of in FPS land that feels half as fun as this is... not in an FPS. It's the Patriot from MGS4 - an infinite-ammo SMG that plays the Snake Eater song when you shoot with it. Even then, however, it's just a less ludicrous (and thus less hillarious) version of the RYNO-V.

Why must the FPS genre be so damn boring now? No wonder I've played 100+ hours of Dragon Age (and its DLC / sequels) consecutively as of late...

Nate Corran:
I am a great lover of Batman, but I do feel he gets WAY over used (and over crapped) because he is the ONLY FUCKING DC character who is both interesting and not a Red and Blue flying deus ex machina.

Batman isn't a deus ex machina? News to me. But I always found every other character associated with Batman (Nightwing, Oracle/Birds of Prey, the Robins, the al-Ghuls, etc.) to be more interesting than Batman himself.

Ha so true about the whole Zangief is not a villain debate. Also cool Desthstroke is going to be in that Arrow series? Lastly the day when we had enough of Batman will be the day when we had enough of Spider-man.

DVS BSTrD:
I actually wish Django Unchained was coming out before the election, just to see how many stupid white people it scares into voting for Romney. Hell they could at least put it on the day of the Mayan Apocalypse and see if a race war breaks out. JOKING! JOKING!

And hey, maybe Zangief was just Bison's ride that day? But on the other hand he IS gay, so that makes him a villain by default. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

He is not actually gay. In his profile (somewhere, I don't remember where) in his dislikes "young beautiful women" was mentioned. This started the whole controversy, but it didn't mean that he likes men. It meant that he likes more mature,stocky women, like steriotipical "russian working class" female.
Plus, when devs were asked question "is Zangief gay?" they've responded negatively (OK, it was more like "WTF, where did that come from" kind of reply).
But, since he IS former Soviet, now Russian, he is more of a bad guy then a good guy by default.
In fact, I don't remember ANY of the Slavic nationalities being shown in american movies as something better than stupid greedy bastard.
STOP! STOP! Too much rant.

Frostbite3789:

Sis:
Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Pretty much this.

And as a fan of the EA Sports NHL franchise, I think it's asinine to talk about how much Mario has innovated and then say those games haven't innovated at all. It just comes off as super pretentious.

"Yeah. I grew up with the NES. My franchise of choice is better than YOUR franchise of choice."

I grew up with an NES too. I'm just not a pretentious ass about it.

Really? My first sports game was Fifa International Soccer. You know, from before they started adding years onto the title. Do you know what my overriding memory of the difference between it and its sequel was? They took out 'crazy ball' mode (or at least I never found it in the sequel).

Go ahead and ask my what differences I remember from Mario 1 and 2, or 2 and 3, or 1 and 3, or ANY Mario game to any other Mario game, because I grew up playing Mario and Sonic and, yes, a fair share of Madden and FIFA as well.

The simple truth is I can comfortably spend longer telling you why EA sports is a waste of time, a waste of money and a fucking insult to gamers everywhere than I can telling you what makes Generic Sports Clone June 2012 worth buying over Generic Sports Clone May 2012. That alone is easily the most damning thing anyone could ever say about a game.

Frostbite3789:

Sis:
Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Pretty much this.

And as a fan of the EA Sports NHL franchise, I think it's asinine to talk about how much Mario has innovated and then say those games haven't innovated at all. It just comes off as super pretentious.

"Yeah. I grew up with the NES. My franchise of choice is better than YOUR franchise of choice."

I grew up with an NES too. I'm just not a pretentious ass about it.

Lets see though...

Me: I like platformers, RPGs and beat em ups.

People who only play sports titles/CoD and only those: NOOOOOO THOSE ARE NOT REAL GAMES, YOU HAVE TO PLAY CoD!!!

Me: But CoD isn't for me, I do like other FPS like Serious Sam, Resistance and the like.

Nincompoop: YOU DON'T DESERVE TO PLAY GAMES!!! ONLY MY GAMES SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO BE MADE!!!

Don't happen all the time, but its annoying. Plus saying CoD isn't your cup of tea yet you like Mario gets you some vile hate mail, even on here.

MB202:
The thing with the Mario side-scrollers and all the "mainstream" Mario games are all pretty much made in-house by Nintendo EAD, Nintendo EAD Tokyo, etc., while the Mario spin-offs are made by different divisions of Nintendo or by straight-up third party developers. Is it really that much of a stretch to ask Nintendo maybe, just made, to add a bit more variety to their own games that they, themselves, make? Like another Super Mario Bros. 2-style game? That would be sweet...

Also, who's the Beholder?

Dungeons and Dragons

Sis:
Haven't we reached the point where maybe, just maybe, we've seen enough Mario for a while?

Bob, Mario has never produced anything that interesting in the first place (I'm 32, I was around for the first stuff) But then I think System Shock 2 was the greatest game of all time. Fuck you it totally is.

Until the point when I can get Batman fed into me intravenously... there is not enough Batman.

I think that there can never really be "too much batman" until they start overusing him for ideas the way they did with zombies. Beware the Batman looks like utter crap though.

Django Unchained will probably get 5 minutes on Fox News when it comes out, but that should only make for a funny Youtube video of them acting like idiots...again.

The Zangief thing is totally stupid considering the notion that ZANGIEF IS IN A FREAKING DISNEY MOVIE.

I don't think there would be any negativity towards Mario if Nintendo say, created another original game/franchise. It just seems that Reggie and crew are so caught up in playing the nostalgia dollar that they forgot about what they did 30 years ago: creating new game ideas.

Another junk drawer? Another list:

Wreck-it-Ralph: How is it that I've never seen this trailer?

Mario-Retro-Revival: It really doesn't matter when these guys are making enough money to buy out small countries

Django Unchained: Again, how is it that I've never seen this trailer?

Brave: Standard Pixar fare based on a stock plot ("tomboyish girl to be wed attempts to show her independence by being as good as a man... blah, blah, blah..."), my hopes are high. Also, any sign of a villain in this one?

DC Heroes and DC/Arrow: If Slade is not in this show and voiced by Ron Pearlman, then that entire trailer is a waste.

Enough Batman?: No. We've finally gotten good movies that feel like they understand the core nature of the series and finally gotten two solid games out of it. Yes, I suppose we can take a few year break

RaikuFA:
Snip

And that applies to me how? I said none of those things. I don't care if new Mario games come out. I won't buy them, but apparently Bob feels the need to slam other franchises in order to validate his love of Mario games. Which I'm not board with.

Also, I'm not a Call of Duty fan. Not by a long shot.

Falseprophet:

Nate Corran:
I am a great lover of Batman, but I do feel he gets WAY over used (and over crapped) because he is the ONLY FUCKING DC character who is both interesting and not a Red and Blue flying deus ex machina.

Batman isn't a deus ex machina? News to me. But I always found every other character associated with Batman (Nightwing, Oracle/Birds of Prey, the Robins, the al-Ghuls, etc.) to be more interesting than Batman himself.

Pretty much this. It's not so much Batman that I like, it's the other characters associated with Batman that I like. Hell, in AA, Joker constantly comments on how predictable and boring Batman is and I think the player is supposed to kinda agree.

saintdane05:
NO! THERE CAN NEVER BE ENOUGH BATMAN!!!!!!!!

Um... yeah. Yeah, there can. There definitely can.

I'd honestly rather get a good Flash or Wonder Woman movie than DKR. And another season of Young Justice instead of yet another Batman cartoon. And a good Superman or Justice League game instead of the inevitable sequel to Arkham City.

Scarim Coral:
Ha so true about the whole Zangief is not a villain debate. Also cool Desthstroke is going to be in that Arrow series? Lastly the day when we had enough of Batman will be the day when we had enough of Spider-man.

Marvel(and to a lesser extent Sony) is providing for us a variety of heroes for movies, so it's harder to actually burn out on one hero.

Frostbite3789:

RaikuFA:
Snip

And that applies to me how? I said none of those things. I don't care if new Mario games come out. I won't buy them, but apparently Bob feels the need to slam other franchises in order to validate his love of Mario games. Which I'm not board with.

Also, I'm not a Call of Duty fan. Not by a long shot.

I was just saying that's how a good chunk of CoD/Madden fans act. there are exceptions like you and maybe someone else but when they have a mental breakdown when you don't like them yet think they can bash anything else without being called out on their games, there's a problem.

I never got Batman, the Nolan movies are great, but the character himself not really. What's so appealing about him?

Also, this new Pixar movie deserves hand drawing graphics, I know Pixar doesn't do that, but it looks bad, one thing is Toy Story, Cars or Monsters inc where Computer animated fits perfectly, but computer animated for this type of story doesn't fit at all, it's ugly.

About Wreck-It Ralph, I heard it's stolen from here


Nothing new, Disney steals basic ideas a lot, but at least it ends up great and they complete it :)

100% with you on Mario.

Wargamer:
Heh, agree SO much on the Mario front.

Thing is, even if they are just pumping out side-scrollers, things shake up a bit. New powerups, new enemies, new ways to interact with the environment (or using modern tech to put a unique spin on the old stuff) and generally giving us a grand experience.

No matter what CoD fans claim, reskinning guns and 'new' perks is nothin to write home about.

Actually, I just want to go to town on that particular topic. Call of Duty has some of the most god damn BORING shooting in all of videogame history. I just had a quick look through my collection of First Person Shooters, and here's a couple of gems from the 'retro' (PS2 and older) section, in no particular order.

A shotgun that fires nails.
A shotgun that fires bouncing explosive shells.
A triple-barrel gatling gun where each barrel is a six-barrel minigun.
A frag grenade made out of flubber.
A self-guiding drill that homes in on brainwaves.
A gravity gun that lets you fire anything at anyone, and by extension can be used to kill zombies with paint cans.
A watch laser.
The Big Fucking Gun 9000.

In this list we have everything from the nifty but near useless to the outright insane. Does any weapon in 90% of modern shooters deserve to be anywhere near this list? Honestly, the only gun I can think of in FPS land that feels half as fun as this is... not in an FPS. It's the Patriot from MGS4 - an infinite-ammo SMG that plays the Snake Eater song when you shoot with it. Even then, however, it's just a less ludicrous (and thus less hillarious) version of the RYNO-V.

Why must the FPS genre be so damn boring now? No wonder I've played 100+ hours of Dragon Age (and its DLC / sequels) consecutively as of late...

Well perhaps there are people out there who would consider "A triple-barrel gatling gun where each barrel is a six-barrel minigun" for example, to be the ludicrous, over designed bastard child of a frustrated and immature developer with a compensation complex, rather than entertaining. Just sayin'.

Up until Galaxy each new Mario game was different enough from the last for the series to remain fresh. But look at the series now: New Super Mario Bros, New Super Mario Bros 2, New Super Mario Bros Wii, New Super Mario Bros Wii U...all these games look, sound, and play essentially the same. Why should Mario get a free pass to stagnate just because it innovated in the past? There have been 5 modern CoD games, and with 4 NSMBs Mario is quickly catching up.

It just seems like a double standard. Just as people are willing to play the same CoD game every year there are people willing to play the same Mario game every year. Neither series is bad by any stretch, they're all very well made games, but they're also cash cows for their respective publishers who treat them as such.

I know I'm not the only one who is annoyed with the trailers for Brave so far. I'm surprised Bob seems to be giddy about it. I first watched the trailer for it when I saw the Secret World of Arietty, a beautiful movie by Studio Ghibli that was probably better on female empowerment than Brave will be.

Pretty much all of the major Studio Ghibli movies have female protagonists and heroes, and you know why they are so good? BECAUSE THE WHOLE DAMN STORY ISN'T ABOUT FEMALE EMPOWERMENT AND OVERCOMING ASSIGNED GENDER ROLES. They just show girls doing heroic and brave things and act like it's normal, which is sort of the goal of the movement. Even Mulan appears to be more challenging than Brave, and it came out 12 years ago, when I was in its target demographic.

It just seems like Pixar is behind the curve on this thing. It will probably still be a good movie but I thought we were culturally evolved enough that we could just start making movies about girls just being the hero and not making a big deal out of that fact.

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Scarim Coral:
Ha so true about the whole Zangief is not a villain debate. Also cool Desthstroke is going to be in that Arrow series? Lastly the day when we had enough of Batman will be the day when we had enough of Spider-man.

Marvel(and to a lesser extent Sony) is providing for us a variety of heroes for movies, so it's harder to actually burn out on one hero.

True but still Spider-man has always been the most popular Marvel superhero (when it come to newcomer) as it is to Batman for DC. I mean chances are you will have more Spider-man merchandise than the other Marvel superheroes (well maybe except for the Avengers at the moment).

I have VERY fuzzy memories on this but I MIGHT remember some SF stories having zangief working for bison for.......well pretty much the same reason Balrog and Vega were. That or maybe it was just to help balance out the many heroes vs few villains numbers, I dunno. I haven't kept track of SF canon but I can imagine that being a villain would make him more interesting then adding him to the neutral fighters just looking for a good fight list. Either way I have no idea people were making a big deal about him being a baddie in the trailer, man what won't ppl complain about.

I bet Mario shows up in Wreck-it Ralph :)

Also... after this next Batman movie, let's take a break. I hope he dies in the movie. I like tear jerkers and the final closure that a death of a character can provide.

NinjaDeathSlap:
Well perhaps there are people out there who would consider "A triple-barrel gatling gun where each barrel is a six-barrel minigun" for example, to be the ludicrous, over designed bastard child of a frustrated and immature developer with a compensation complex, rather than entertaining. Just sayin'.

Let's just assume for a moment that I don't really care about modern guns (which I don't). Most FPS games have such boring, boring, BORING weapons. Not just in terms of what they do, but in terms of how they look. Watching modern shooter videos it gets hard to tell what game you're watching, let alone what everyone is armed with.

Can you honestly tell me that you're going to confuse and triple-linked minigun with any other weapon on the battlefield? No you are not! You are going to see that weapon and think "Oh shit he's got a Minigun On Steroids!"

Even from the player's perspective, that kind of design is welcome. Yes, it might function mechanically much like the M3&3/4 assault rifle, but visually you have a very distinct firing firing animation as all three sets of barrels rotate on their own axis, and then rotate around each other as well.

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