Escapist Podcast: 50: The 3DS XL & Gamer Angst

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50: The 3DS XL & Gamer Angst

This week, we talk about Nintendo's new DS and answer some user questions.

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I'm getting a 404 on the mp3 in the rss feed.

Not anymore, thanks!

I don't want to say everyone has terrible vision except me, but sometimes I feel that way about the DSi/3DS XL/LL.

It might be bigger sure, but there is a noticeable drop in picture quality because they're taking something smaller and just stretching it to make it bigger. If the resolution stayed the same that'd be great but it doesn't. Some people even treat the XL/LL as an upgrade, when it is blatantly not. At best it is a sidegrade, at worst, it's actually worse than a normal DS/3DS.

The experience is lessened by the graphical decline. Which is why I don't understand why anyone would choose to use the big one unless they either had eye problems or some kind of medical dexterity type problem.

Can you imagine buying a bigger TV if they told you the picture would actually look worse?

"In honor of this, my 50th email, I've decided to answer 50 of your emails!"

Oh wait, there's a colon in there. 50: User Questions!

Susan's rant about peoples opinions was awesome. they're right, people should stop being dicks for no particular reason on the internet. Chill out guys, the worlds against you already, people don't need to do that to each other as well.

wow that was one angry Susan...

I do agree with most of your ideas of no right way to enjoy games. However if you play skyrim and do not assassinate someone while they are sitting in a chair you have failed the first task.

I do notice a pattern of touching on achievements yet never really talking about them in detail. What makes a good one, what makes a bad one, when you enjoy them vs when you ignore them ect. Now I may have to write an email to get you to discuss this.

-2fish Skyrim chair assassin

"Take a seat I will be with you in a moment."

I would have to say my geek/nerd thing I can't get into is steampunk. Never understood the appeal of it.

Ok... So, first Ill say I completely agree with the points made that its not cool to abuse somebody just because they disagree with you on some subjective subject. Its not nice to call into question the ethics of the games reviewers just because they didnt like something that you liked, etc.

But I do also want to point out that the discussion was also a great example of how hard it can be to notice sometimes when you do those sorts of things. Specific case in point: The comment was made that the people opposed to Blizzard's real name logins were just opposed to it because they wanted to be jerks without repercussion. No. Not cool. I think thats exactly the behaviour that you guys were calling out - it is not ok to say that the people who disagree with you are all just badly behaved jerks (and the implication being that if they say their reasons are different then they must be lying). You have to be careful what youre saying, and in this case the generalisation comes across very much as a personal judgement on the ethics of people who simply have a different opinion. As Susan later said, you shouldnt be going into the situation assuming that people are being jerks and instead give them the benefit of the doubt.

So... yeah. I love the podcat, and I think it just goes to show everyone makes mistakes and sometimes good people say stupid stuff. But imo a little slap on the wrist is deserved for that bit.

PS: Heres a picture of a puppy keeping warm :)

Not that I listened to their music, but Sporty Spice was the hot one, at least till playboy found those shots of Ginger Sexy Spice. (Hey, I was like, 17)

You know, its funny. I've pretty much always been a PC gamer and I didn't realize that the whole PC superiority complex/console 'tard stereotypes were actually a thing until a year or so ago and even then I didn't realize people were serious about it until recently. To be honest, it still baffles me.

The only preconception I have about consoles is that they aren't very good for RTSs. That may not be true anymore, but I just remember that N64 port of Starcraft that was barely playable.

1:21:ish, standing ovation. A transcript of that conversation needs to be mounted in every building in the world.

You do know what a 'space-muffin' is in The Netherlands right.....

http://weedsmokersguide.com/space-cake-recipe/

Would be a good character too :P

Great podcat all around.

Thank you, Susan. Just, thanks. The Internet really is the world now. It's not okay to be a jerk or a jackass or a troll or worse just because "hey lolz itz the internetz!!1!" and it somehow doesn't count. Be intelligent. Be respectful. Be a decent human being. Be the same way you'd be if you were out there in the real world because, sorry Mr Anonymous Internet, the web is the world these days and hding behind a forum name doesn't make you any less of a jerk.

Nintendo not announcing the 3DSXL at E3 was just dumb. It would have been a win-win situation. Even if the other companies would have overwhelmed Nintendo's announcement, it would have been a combo breaker. "WiiU...and 3DSXL!". Nintendo would be the only company to announce new systems on the show. Look at the WiiU: No release date, price or anything, yet people are all hyped up about it. Nintendo announcing this NOW is like being at a party and then waiting until everyone leaves to give a big announcement.

Awesome rant about console preferences, trolls and so on. I, for one, am sick and tired of some people playing on the PC being all "Oh, your console broke down/needs a bigger memory/looks like crap/can't be legally modded/whatever? Well, that's what you get for not playing on PC, you poor bastard!". No. Just no. Take your stupid computer and go jump off a cliff. I like my laptop and I like my consoles. I just don't feel comfortable playing on a computer. It's just awkward for me. I don't care if you think my console is a piece of crap compared to your awesome space computer. Just let me be. The fact that I stated once that I was upset about Sony getting hacked doesn't mean I hate my PS3. Accept it and move on.

Example: Just a while back, I was checking the forums and I said somewhere that I hated Dark Souls because I made the mistake of attacking one of the first NPCs you run into in the game and he killed me like 20 times in a row because of that. And every time I respawned, he was there waiting for me and he'd kill me. Some guy said that I was just being dumb because I attacked him to which I reply I understood that but that still turned my interest off. Then he kept attacking me as if I was just retarded for not knowing that I shouldn't have done that. Maybe it was me not expressing myself properly or maybe he didn't get my point but he seemed truly offended by me not wanting to play the game because of that small instance. Well, my loss, I guess. Doesn't affect him, so why pick on it?
You wanna know why I stopped playing RE5? I died too soon and I hated not being able to move while shooting. Wanna know why I quit Dead Space 2? I got scared. Dumb reasons, if you will, but they're my reasons. People never stop to think the reason why people do other things. I know its easy to judge people on the internet where our personality might seem very shallow. But at least give others the benefit of doubt. That is what I always think about before posting. There are exceptions, of course, like that guy who sent that letter. If that would have been his response, I probably would have reacted like Susan too. But then again, what kind of reply would a guy like that expect to a question like that?
Anyway, like they say, think before you post. I enjoy having a friendly argument with someone when they're sharing interesting points of view. but when someone is just ranting for the heck of ranting or their reasons are not valid or shallow, then no. Think about your argument first then share it with me. Maybe you can change my mind if that is your goal. But you gotta do it smart.

Speaking of, here's a list of geeky things I just can't get into:

-Aliens: Saw the movie, it was okay, I guess.
-Dr. Who: I just hate Dr. Who. I watched some episodes, I know there's like 654644845 different doctors I "might have watched the wrong episode". But I just don't care about it. Awesome for people who like it, though.
-Naruto: I watched DBZ from beginning to end. I think that's enough to last me a lifetime.
-Call of Duty/Halo/Gears of War: I admit they're fun. But their story doesn't satisfy me.
-Mass Effect: Same as above.
-Comics: ARE WEIRD! AND COMPLEX!
-Card games: Too much hassle.
-My Little Pony

To expand on that last one, a friend of mine recently turned into a Brony. He raved about the show and asked me to watch an episode. I HATED MLP but I gave it a shot. I gotta admit it's okay. I don't like it but I admit it's decent. But I can't get into it. My friend was secretly offended but he understood.

And yes, Susan. I'm not exactly into anime. I mean, I like SOME anime but I'm no expert or self entitled fan. However, Avatar: The Last Airbender is a GREAT show! Great plot, voice acting, character development, animation, music and so on. Just give it a shot. I understand people who don't like it and their reasons but just like MLP, that show earned my respect. The movie, however, doesn't make justice to the show. At all.

Anyway, great podcast. One of the best ones out there.

I don't get Steam Punk either, I think it seems cool, but it's just not for me. With that said, I like a lot of things I don't think other people get.

Recently I started watching Heaven's Lost Property, an anime where the main character is a blatant pervert... and I related to that character. I'm guaranteeing that my friends would not understand why I liked it so much, not even the ones who usually like anime. With that said there are definitively different styles of anime, from straight out slice of life, to schoolyard, to fantasy and magical girl and even between the different types there is also a certain balance to each between drawing styles and characters and voice actors.

The thing I am most confused by is... I <3 Naruto, it's a really mainstream anime of like DBZ style popularity, and there are just so many people who hate it or will call you out as a fake for liking it and you are just like... so you don't like it, but if you are an expert on the subject then you should probably be able to appreciate that other people do.

Also I loved Avatar the Last Airbender, my girlfriend had seen the live action movie and loved it. So I showed her the anime and she could not have been more bored, which I get there's a difference in pacing between anime and movies and stuff but I was a little surprised because my viewpoint was from an anime I loved being made into a live action film by a director I hate XD.

When the shooter-bro stereotype stops being so frequently reinforced, people will stop saying "Ugh all you play is shooters? You must be a douche." That generalization exists BECAUSE the people who loudly espouse that all they do is play shooters are, generally, douches.

Oh and I'll start respecting game journalists more when there's a marked decrease of when a game comes from Japan that features even a flash of panty, moe magical girls, or just mostly female characters in general the reaction by the gaming press isn't "Oh this is so wrong and everyone who gets this game is a perverted pedophile rapist and its degrading to women." Maybe someone needs to kick people like Bob's soapbox out from underneath to start that since he seems to go on a "everything is sexist against women!" rant every month.

As far as being accused of being on the take? When there seems to be a rather pervasive trend of game media "professionals" to act as defenders for publishers when they institute anti-consumer programs or just offer terrible quality product and totally dismiss the other side of the argument it doesn't look good and it doesn't take much for people to start making accusations. The whole "The Retake ME3 people are all whiners" mess is quite the highlight of that mindset.

Susan had some serious righteous fury going on there! If it makes you feel any better this is not a phenomenon unique to gamers.

Just one example that I am quite familiar with is Railway enthusiasts in Britain. There is a division between people who prefer Steam or Diesal traction for starters, but the steam fans are deeply divided between the four big companies: the GWR,LMS,LNER and SR. Some reach fanatical levels of devotion to their chosen company, GWR fans can be the worst. The hardcore GWR nuts are sometimes referred to as 'The GWR Taliban' in certain circles.

Also Space Muffins should have a sophisticated British villain called, 'The Scone'.

Beautiful End:
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Speaking of, here's a list of geeky things I just can't get into:

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-My Little Pony

To expand on that last one, a friend of mine recently turned into a Brony. He raved about the show and asked me to watch an episode. I HATED MLP but I gave it a shot. I gotta admit it's okay. I don't like it but I admit it's decent. But I can't get into it. My friend was secretly offended but he understood.
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Don't worry about that. Unless You're a young girl in her early teens, it's perfectly fine if You're not into MLP:FIM. Nothing strange or noteworthy about that. For the record, I'm 27 and I'm quite into the show. I'm partial to cartoons overall.

Susan hates HP Lovecraft? BURN HER!!!

xD Jus' kiddin'...well...maybe... ^^

Lumping all anime(which ist just the term for a distinct drawing style) into one pot is really not helpful at all. Much of it i find just laughable because of completely senseless/pseudointellectual storyplotting or gratuitous violence. Nothing against a decent spot of violence now and then but if it has nothing else going for it, i lose interest rather quickly. But then there are series like Cowboy Bebop or Samurai Champloo which are just hilarious fun. There are those wonderful Studio Ghibli movies(i luuuv me some Myazaki). I'm a big burly manly man *cough* but "Grave of the Fireflies" just turned me into a sobbing, inconsolable mess. So, Anime to me is a huge pile of detritus where if you sift through it you will find some very entertaining stuff, some powerful works of movie art even.

P.S.: I don't get comics either. They are indeed weird. But here in Germany, comic superheroes never really were a "thing" anyway.

Speaking from 20 years of internet experience:

It was never okay to be a jerk on the Internet. It always counted. There hasn't been some sudden change in the way social dynamics online work - there's just more people now. Netiquette is pretty much the same now as it was then.

Only children would try to claim "ha ha, it doesn't count" (people can be children regardless of physical age).

Also what Caffeine said up above.

I think the Space Muffins show should have a PSA about skinning Beanie Babies.

The Popeye seed muffin is the Doctor :)

I really don't get how people can say that it's "awesome" that people like stuff that you don't like. I don't mean that you should be negative towards someone with differing tastes, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's kind of the same attitude, but in reverse. It seems just as silly to me to say it's awesome that you disagree on something than saying that the person deserves to die or whatever. Sometimes it even seems kind of passive aggressive to me. What could possibly be "awesome" about not having something in common?

I don't mean to imply we should all be apathetic to each other's tastes, discussion is great, but I really just don't see how the simple fact that there is a disagreement could possibly be described in such a way. It doesn't make sense.

Scrustle:
I really don't get how people can say that it's "awesome" that people like stuff that you don't like. I don't mean that you should be negative towards someone with differing tastes, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's kind of the same attitude, but in reverse. It seems just as silly to me to say it's awesome that you disagree on something than saying that the person deserves to die or whatever. Sometimes it even seems kind of passive aggressive to me. What could possibly be "awesome" about not having something in common?

I think you're being a bit too literal-minded here. They don't actually mean that it's an amazing and fantastic thing when someone disagrees with you. It's just fine, right? "Cool, we disagree, let's move on." Just mild exaggeration for effect.

Now bear with me here.

*clears throat* Space Muffins! A story about a rag tag band of smuggler muffins aboard The Celiac flying through space, following a tip of a large cinnamon deposit (The Spice Must Flow!) located in a nearby system. With both military and local police forces (The Star Bucks) hot on their baking sheet, the crew hides out on a nearby desert planet only to discover the ruins of an ancient civilization. They accidentally re-awaken the creatures when one of the members spill water upon an altar; waking a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Monster appears to be the hive mind of a vast army of pasta related (think macaroni) delectables. Will our heroes be able to escape this deadly city? Can they stop the spread of the ravenous horde? Find out on...Space Muffins!

P.S. Also sub plot of all this being a result of bio-engineered foods gone wrong and this is actually a future universe >.>

Opinions?

The geeky thing I've never been interested in is Firefly or Serenity or whatever its called. I saw the movie and I thought "Meh, is ok I supose?"

thewanderer41:
Now bear with me here.

*clears throat* Space Muffins! A story about a rag tag band of smuggler muffins aboard The Celiac flying through space, following a tip of a large cinnamon deposit (The Spice Must Flow!) located in a nearby system. With both military and local police forces (The Star Bucks) hot on their baking sheet, the crew hides out on a nearby desert planet only to discover the ruins of an ancient civilization. They accidentally re-awaken the creatures when one of the members spill water upon an altar; waking a giant Flying Spaghetti Monster. The Monster appears to be the hive mind of a vast army of pasta related (think macaroni) delectables. Will our heroes be able to escape this deadly city? Can they stop the spread of the ravenous horde? Find out on...Space Muffins!

P.S. Also sub plot of all this being a result of bio-engineered foods gone wrong and this is actually a future universe >.>

Opinions?

GENIUS! Man, I wish I could draw so we could make a comic.

Yeah I never understood the "getting upset at others opinions" thing. I even made a forum thread about it some time back. the only instance I can see that it would bother me would be if someone I was close to (good friend, family member, ect.), had an opinion which caused them to act in such a way that made us not be close anymore. For example, say I had a friend that recently joined a religion that said people of Norwegian ancestry were evil. Therefore they now hated me because of that.

Susan Arendt:

thewanderer41:
Now bear with me here.

*clears throat* Space Muffins! ...

Opinions?

GENIUS! Man, I wish I could draw so we could make a comic.

I find myself wishing I could draw as well, but considering the ideas I threw out before I settled on this one, think the world's a safer place for it ^_^

Aren't there people at the Escapist who draw webcomics? As my dad told me when teaching me to fly a kite: "Just run with it"

Thank you Susan, I to am so sick of this shouting down of people who have a different opinion or world view for that matter, and the 'its the internet' or 'grow a thicker skin' arguments, such bollocks.
(If only I knew that putting vegan in a screen name would attract trolls and haters)

I a-tribute this to a seance of entitlement, 'This is my PC so I can treat the people in it however I like' kind of thing. Just hope people will grow the hell out of it soon, they probably wont in my life time but still got to hope.

As for Geeky things I don't like,
On going comics, I like a story to end so I only get the collected editions or Graphic novels.
RPG's that play like Dragon Age, a game is an over complicated maths problem why turn it back into a maths problem.
And I don't know if it counts but meme's, I find some funny but I don't get how hearing the same joke quoted out of context is funny.

But hey, to each their own and thank you again Susan for saying what needed to be said.

1:31 and following--Yes, it can certainly be frustrating to have one's professional integrity questioned on the flimsiest grounds and in the rudest way possible.

My personal reaction to the podcast's reaction: Bwahahahahahahahaahahhahaa! Nice one. :)

Comments about: ~1:28 - ~1:34

On Differing Opinions and Hostile Assumptions
(I'll pretend it's a title)

A lot of those arguments boil down to "You like something I don't like, therefore I hate you."
Obviously stupid and childish, but I think I just described half the Internet there. Most of modern online gaming culture anyway.

But that isn't always the whole story: some of the most-intense arguments of that nature stem from a long-running frustration.

For the sake of clarity, I'll use a personal example:
Games transitioning from being sold as Products, and being sold now as Services.

I don't like this trend. At all. I can criticize it, but I am utterly powerless to stop it. (I have my reasons, but they aren't directly relevant to my point here)
So naturally, a significant portion of the market begins to embrace that model despite these future problems. I'm left shaking my head and sighing.

So, armed with a dissenting opinion, I'm off to the Internet to voice my concern like thousands of other gamers.

As an individual member of the gaming community, I recognize that my opinion is tiny, insignificant shard representative of the whole.

Yet, it's often very tempting to rage against the masses of the community, because I know ultimately, that it's most of THOSE people who keep pushing gaming into a future where I will have to pay more for less and put up with more bullshit from the publisher just to play a fucking video game.

It's sometimes difficult to avoid thinking like this:
"The masses supporting games that support trends I don't like is going to lead to those trends becoming dominant."

Which, with enough time, bitterness and cynicism can very easily twist into "They like stuff I don't like, so I hate them for it."

(Kind of sounds like partisan-politics when you get down to it, doesn't it?)

THE POINT:

Part of growing up is accepting that some (most, really) part(s) of your life will inevitably change, and for most of us, it's by that part going to shit. Mostly because people are more assholes than angels. Internal competition under the veil of social cooperation.

So people are going to complain. A LOT.
Yet, I know that sitting around and mindlessly complaining won't get you the change you want (for better or ill). It's better to attempt rational, civil discourse than screaming your demands like a child.

And for that, you need to separate the issue from the audience wherever it's possible.
You need to avoid subjectivity where possible, yet still respect it no matter how absurd (as long as it remains strictly-subjective. True "opinions" cannot be wrong until objective proof contradicts them. Putting "I think.." in front of an obvious contradiction does not make it an opinion, it makes it willful idiocy).

I'll risk a platitude here: "If everyone screams their complaints, nobody is heard."
Hating another person just for having a differing opinion is "screaming". It's whining like a child who doesn't understand, and most keep screaming their demands because they don't WANT to understand: they just want to be heard.

So in that, I definitely agree that (from the podcast) the forums, and gaming culture in general, could use a lot less mindless screaming, and learn how to better disagree. At least with the latter, you can walk away understanding more about the situation other than "That guy was a screaming asshole".

(*Sure, I could have wrote a pithy one or two line reply here, but where's the fun in that?*
Besides. I'm currently strung up in bed with (I think) a crushing allergic reaction from something I breathed in when I returned home from a long distance trip. Eyes are puffed up a bit and I've been sneezing something fierce. Nothin' better to do.)

Atmos Duality:

(*Sure, I could have wrote a pithy one or two line reply here, but where's the fun in that?*

So I'm actually quite happy that you didn't write a pithy response especially since it was a rather pithy statement that started this whole conversation.

It's interesting that now with so many modes of communication, people are still so bad at communicating.

I don't think this method of simply raging or hazing is limited to the internet or internet culture. It probably has more to do with external culture in general! I mean, take a look at the Middle East. There are riots spreading through the region. Whenever the Hong Kong government or China passes a declaration to Hong Kong, the populace protests. Heck, there are plenty or protests every day here in America. I'd even go so far as to say that this attitude is the result of remnants of the anti-war and anti-other things mindsets.

Now we couple that with the blogging mindset. People see internet forums, blog pages, and image boards as their personal soap boxes and it's kinda encouraged. People expect that by presenting their opinion strongly they will be heard. I mean, that's how we've been told to deal with bullies right? (Lawful Evil) This is a bully victim's dream house. You can out the bully and s/he will have a hard time finding you in the haystack. But can a bully's argument be any less valid?

At the same time, I don't think (<-- notice I used the words "I" and "think") we should be limited to rational, civil discourse or that screaming makes me childish. Not all arguments are about the point and some can by about the venting. I mean, Susan vented and raised her voice about this issue. Was she being childish?

You know, I appreciate that people do talk about this because it seems that people prefer the pithy to the fleshed out. I mean, this is the medium that invented tl;dr. It's swept under the rug mainly because it takes too long to pay attention enough to work it out. Does the moderator system work? Yes. Is there a better way? Maybe.

Man...I should start a blog. ...I'll couple it with my Space Muffins comic >.> People seem to pay attention to the opinions of web comic writers.

I really liked this podcat, 'specially the "Console Preferences" portion. Fanboys are a blight on the galaxy IMO; but sometimes it could just mean that those people are either juvenile, behave juvenile, or are just extremely competitive people who thrive on conflict. I'm related, by blood, to people like that, and 17 years of being around them has taught me that ignoring their challenges is the best way to neutralize any flourishing emotions, it also has taught me it is hard to have a tasteful discussion with them on video games -- that's why I frequent The Escapist Magazine website (my favorite website).

Keep up the awesome guys! =D

Sylveria:
When the shooter-bro stereotype stops being so frequently reinforced, people will stop saying "Ugh all you play is shooters? You must be a douche." That generalization exists BECAUSE the people who loudly espouse that all they do is play shooters are, generally, douches.

Oh and I'll start respecting game journalists more when there's a marked decrease of when a game comes from Japan that features even a flash of panty, moe magical girls, or just mostly female characters in general the reaction by the gaming press isn't "Oh this is so wrong and everyone who gets this game is a perverted pedophile rapist and its degrading to women." Maybe someone needs to kick people like Bob's soapbox out from underneath to start that since he seems to go on a "everything is sexist against women!" rant every month.

As far as being accused of being on the take? When there seems to be a rather pervasive trend of game media "professionals" to act as defenders for publishers when they institute anti-consumer programs or just offer terrible quality product and totally dismiss the other side of the argument it doesn't look good and it doesn't take much for people to start making accusations. The whole "The Retake ME3 people are all whiners" mess is quite the highlight of that mindset.

Thing is, corruption is a very fucking serious accusation to make. There might be a pattern, there might even be a clear motive, but those things on their own aren't enough to reinforce such an accusation. Unless you have real, hard evidence, rather than just here-say and conjecture, that someone is genuinely on the take, you do not even go near the subject. Seriously, if you can't back it up with anything concrete, just don't fucking go there. Not only does it make you look like a jerk, using 'You're taking bribes!' as a last resort because you can't accept a difference of opinion, but because it's also slander, which can get you in some pretty deep shit.

This was the thing that pissed me off most about the whole ME3 thing. I got pissed off with a lot of things, on both sides of the 'debate', but this more than any other. The throwaway nature with which people were laying down these serious accusations, with no proof at all. They'd rationalised it to themselves, therefore that was enough to accuse someone of compromising the integrity which is so vital to their career, and in my opinion, even though I'll concede that some of these reasonings had some logic behind them, it was just fucking disgusting. Disgusting and counter-productive, because if you accuse someone of being on the take, and you are then called upon to prove it, when you can't, then why should anyone take anything you say seriously after that, when you've cried wolf in such an over the top fashion?

Accusing a journalist of corruption because you disagree with them and think they are misrepresenting you, is akin to accusing a politician of corruption because you don't feel their policies represent you. Without solid, watertight evidence, it is a completely ludicrous accusation. That doesn't mean you can't critisise journalists if you dissagree with them or don't like their manner, you can do that all you like, but accusations of bribery without proof more than cross the line.

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