Jimquisition: Rape vs. Murder

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I think there are a few key misunderstandings.

1 is that all parties claiming rape are doing so truthfully. I mean this just isn't true. The definition of consent is something people are notoriously fickle with. A woman could say yes now, and still a year later bring you to court claiming the yes was forced.

2 our games don't even truly depict sex yet. Of course depicting a brutal sexual event is wrong when compared to it. How did we come to a point in gaming when murder was acceptable? We grew from the days of knock outs. It's progression (even if it's not positive).

I think rape is atrocious and Jim's points on it not being as bad as murder because "You don't relive it every day after." are spot on. Still once sex becomes more rampant in video games (the visual depiction anyway) I'm pretty sure rape will start showing up more as well.

dunam:
The comparison between murder and rape is asynchronous; better to compare torture to rape. The reason why rape is given such special status by many is that it's a much more emotional issue. Mechanically speaking, it's worse to kill someone than rape them. But emotionally the second is much worse.

Good point. I bet that if someone made a videogame about torture, there would be voices hailing it for 'raising awereness', 'artistic freedom' and stuff, while the same voices would still condemn games about rape.

Besides, there exists a ton of videogames about torture (see any flashgame portal) and nobody really raises an eyebrow, while similar flash games about rape or (for example) ethnic violence are immediately shunned. It's not that I approve of the latter games, but really let's be fair here...

The Almighty Aardvark:

To be fair, I'm sure that more damage would be done to someone by accusing them of murdering someone else. Sure, it's a little more difficult, but just the accusation can do permanent damage to their reputation

Technically yeah, I guess, but framing someone of murder is much more difficult than blaming someone of rape. I mean, they would actually need to murder someone, while nobody really needs to be raped in order to get blamed.

Also if the frame fails and you prove your innocence, nobody will remember it (unless there was an obvious motive/connection etc.), while you'll never get rid of the raper aura. Even if not actually convicted, there will still be doubt. And in the worse case (and in the US), your name will appear in the register with no possibility to clean it off.

Nurb:

Chairman Miaow:

Nurb:
So killing in video games is OK so long as it's justifiable in the fiction, such as being the hero and defending yourself in a war game?

And "We all know murder is wrong and are secure in the knowledge we won't shoot someone"? I don't like rape, I'm pretty sure everyone here knows what rape is and we are all secure in the knowledge we know "no means no" and have no inention of drugging a woman (or a man if you swing that way)

What about being the bad guy or the villain? You really can't rationalize walking down the street in GTA games and just blowing the brains out of some innocent person, or driving down the sidewalk, slaughtering dozens before killing off hundreds of police officers trying to stop your rampage. That technically would be unacceptable by this particular argument and GTA 5 would have to be stopped. There are people that like playing an evil son of a bitch in the KOTOR games and MMO, are they bad people for choosing the bad options to execute and extort innocents?

In the end, people need to stop being outraged over the fiction they personally don't like while then playng out horrible acts in the fiction they do like because that's all it is: Fiction. It's not real, it's all the same virtual death, murder, rape, torture, etc, only our opinions on the fictional and illegal acts in the entertainment are different (which is why so many games have the 'moral choice' system btw)

So yes, it is hypocritical when someone complains about "killable children" mods in Fallout 3 and Skyrim to add realism is hypocritical when you can beat the homeless man dying of thirst outside towns to death with a pipe in Fallout 3 and don't say a word about how horrible that act is.

We're trying to apply real world morals, logic, thinking and laws to things that don't exist, which is insane to begin with and it only ends up giving a mob of people the idea they can start dictating what fictional things people can and can't create, which is already happening. I don't like rape either, but I ignore it if it isn't reality because I can, such as not going near those hentai rape games. All the complaints about those games did was advertize for them.

We need a "National Day of No Outrage". I'm starting to shut off anything that has anyone being offended about anything the last year or so.

I think the difference is that what people enjoy about games like GTA is the gameplay mechanics, the challenge, the ridiculous way they ragdoll all over the place, and unlike a rape game, they aren't getting a thrill out of the actual acts. Obviously I can't speak for everyone.

If that were true, then the developers didn't need to waste time and money using story to set the player up as an amoral criminal character or giving them a background at all. It's the fantasy of being a bad person who doesn't take shit from anyone, which makes those games successfull and there's nothing wrong with enjoying the fantasy of being a bad person because you know the difference between fantasy and reality.

I agree with this. While ragdolling an NPC is always fun, games like GTA are so successful because it offers a power fantasy you could never hope to reenact IRL. The fact that it is set in a realistic world only adds to its allure. Most of us are caged birds at heart :P

Emergent System:
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I'm curious as to where you getting your numbers. As of 2011 the US Justice Department places a woman's odds of suffering a severe sexual assault in her lifetime as 1 in 6, way higher than the .072% chance you list. I suspect you may be taking from the FBI statistics on rape in 1995, where any given woman had about that proportion of women were raped, but that was in that year specifically and since we tend to see less rape among very young and very old women the percentages were high for many women in the middle..

5ilver:
I disagree. If you ban rape and rape discussions and somehow remove it from life entirely, why not do the same for dentistry, dentists, everything to do with teeth? I mean, it's pretty traumatic, painful, everybody hates it... Or paper-cuts. Man, those hurt.
Death on the other hand is a final full stop, a big ending, there is nothing (as far as I know) beyond death. There are no chances to heal yourself emotionally and physically.

Tl;dr: Death-end, rape-pain, thus saying rape is NONO while death is ok is hypocrisy.

There are not enough *facepalm*s, or *facedesk*s, to cover how absurd this post is.

It is clear that you have no idea what it is like to be the victim of rape. The fact that you had the gall to take being the victim of an act so heinous that even hardened convicts are disgusted by it, and comparing it to getting a tooth pulled at a dentist and paper cuts is just plain vile!

Getting a tooth pulled at the dentist is NOT traumatic, period!
Getting a paper cut is NOT traumatic, period!

Read this article, read about what it is like to be a victim of rape, and shut the f*** up!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/9766-The-R-Word.3

I think that murder is worse then rape because as many before me has said, it's the end, game over.

yes, maybe you don't feel anything after being murdered but you never get the chance as a rape victim to get over it, i mean people don't seem to understand what they are really talking about when they make that argument, death is THE END, you can't get over and learn to live with death, it's absolute and that is why i think murder is worse.

And the part of rape being being prolonged so it equal to torture and there for being worse then murder is complete bullshit, people don't die instantly as they do in games and movies, just think about this, being stabbed several times by a sharp object and then feeling how your life pour out of you over several minutes, where you have time to think about everything you wont do, everyone that you will be leaving behind.

Yes some murders are instant, but some rapes happen when the victim is under the influence of drugs and can only reflect on what happened after because THEY ARE FUCKING ALIVE.

Also isn't really any game out there that compares to rapelay in therms of murder, a game that would compare would be where you play a character planning to murder an innocent person in a way you choose.

Kuth:
1. He states that Women are unlikely to rape men. While based on definition this is true based on the FBI standards of Rape( Forced Penetration Sex). That does not remove women from doing never molesting or forcefully erecting a man. Women have and are capable of molesting and sexually violating males, but Women can not rape. They don't have the tools to do so.

I do have a tool for that. I keep it in my bedside table's drawer. It's pink, latex and I call it MIGHTY MAN NOODLE.

Of course, the point I'm trying to make here is that this definition of rape is silly and it should be changed, because, as you rightly say, women are perfectly capable of sexually violating men and other women alike.

So, apart from that, I generally agree with Jim. So yay. And all that.

5ilver:
(snip!) why not do the same for dentistry, dentists, everything to do with teeth? I mean, it's pretty traumatic, painful, everybody hates it... Or paper-cuts. Man, those hurt.

You... You MONSTER!

The thing is I'd rather be raped than be dead.

May sound cold, cowardly even. But if there were only two options. I'd take it up the pooper rather than die. I like living.

Also, you're neglecting the thing that more people discuss. In that not a game about rape, but a game where a character has been raped.

The whole Tomb Raider issue recently. Apparently it over stepped some imaginary, most likely Christian Values line when the guy dragging Lara off looked like he was going to rape her not kill her.... because that's apparently so much worse than killing her.

I'm not going to argue that rape isn't a disturbing and twisted act, anyone who does it should be reviled and ostracised. But you know... that's also what we do to cold blooded murderers. So why is it okay to feature a villain that kills people but not one who rapes?

Stupid societal values that's why.

Sex is the last real taboo in the western world. Sure we like to talk about it and flaunt peoples bodies. But don't you dare get graphic or consider doing something other than missionary.

That's why a film with a boob in it ends up being an 18 certificate whilst a film with gratuitous violence and murder ends up being a 15.

The argument that murder is not the same as rape is, sadly, incorrect.

We have torture in games.

This is not personal? Extremely painful? Traumatic? yet how often do people gasp and go "that's fucking sick and evil and doesn't belong in video games omg omg omg"?

And in tons of games you can kill innocent people. The elder scrolls series, every crime-based game (mafia, GTA), and to think that killing people is quick and painless is ridiculous. I shoot you 5 times in the gut and see how quickly you die, bleeding out with hot lead lodged in your organs.

Violence in any way is just as personal as any other violence e.g. rape.

Movies depicting some people killing a man's/women's family, where they come home to a massacred wife and child, THIS IS NOT PERSONAL? Seriously?

I come to your house, beat the living shit out of you (and I'm talking broken bones here) like a wild animal you think you aren't going to be traumatized for life???? Not buying shit-loads of locks and securities so it doesn't happen again? You could've died! I could've killed you! Maybe I'll cut off some of your fingers or your eyes. Fucking shit your pants scared you'll be, I tell you, traumatized, and in extreme pain and suffering.

Though killing can be "justified" (I love how that word is tossed around in this discussion) but rape cannot, is just not correct.

Just because we don't see it, I have no doubt in my mind that SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME, BY SOMEONE, forced someone to rape the other, or they would be killed, of course that is not really point, but the point that rape is part of .. certain people's personalities. Rape victims and rapists themselves can be good characters to be used in video games, depicting the rape victim's event and how he/she deals with it, and how the rapist justifies his own actions, if he does at all, how he thinks.

tl;dr rape and murder are not different, at all.

They're both violent, personal, 'horrible, obscene' actions perpetrated by human beings onto other human beings. We are simply so used to murder and killings that we tend to find rape as on a totally different level, because we are not nearly as exposed to it.

But that's just my 2 .. 3 cents? yeah, 3 cents sounds good.

Completely off topic, but what's the game in the video thumbnail? I want to play that now...

Sovereignty:
I think there are a few key misunderstandings.

1 is that all parties claiming rape are doing so truthfully. I mean this just isn't true. The definition of consent is something people are notoriously fickle with. A woman could say yes now, and still a year later bring you to court claiming the yes was forced.

2 our games don't even truly depict sex yet. Of course depicting a brutal sexual event is wrong when compared to it. How did we come to a point in gaming when murder was acceptable? We grew from the days of knock outs. It's progression (even if it's not positive).

I think rape is atrocious and Jim's points on it not being as bad as murder because "You don't relive it every day after." are spot on. Still once sex becomes more rampant in video games (the visual depiction anyway) I'm pretty sure rape will start showing up more as well.

1. By bringing up false rape claims, you are simply avoiding the real meat of the issue. The problem with bringing up rape isn't the people who made it up, it's the people who wish they made it up.

2. What is your definition of "truly depict sex?" Subtle depictions like R-rated films, or full-on 3D porn? Because I'm pretty sure there are games that have done both.

I don't really see graphic visual representations of sex as a growing trend in games, though. Because like with movies, there is a point where things go from "rated R" to "X-rated." But no matter how gory a video game is, it will never be rated higher than M, just as movies which are simply gory are rated R.

I'm sure we will be seeing more of sex in games, perhaps not with full-contact polygon-on-polygon action, but rather just shown enough to fulfill the goal of the narrative (like Mass Effect). Though I think games still have a ways to go before being able to work with the topic of sex as consistently well as films. And I am certain rape is never going to be a casually represented thing in games, and neither should it be. Because as Jim pointed out, someone raping someone else is neither redeemable nor justifiable. You can justify murder, and you can even murder without a "victim," like in zombie games. But rape always has a victim, and it can never be glorified.

There's just no reason for it. There is no serious story you can tell with a protagonist who unapologetically rapes people, because if they rape people they will not be the protagonist. Perhaps there is a story in someone who does feel bad for what they did, but it would have to be a very compelling character and story, and depicting the rape outright would be the wrong way to tell a story like that.

Abandon4093:

Sex is the last real taboo in the western world.

If by western world you mean America.

Sgt. Sykes:

3) And frankly, rape in general is a grey area IRL as well. If a woman wants to destroy a man, nothing easier than to seduce him and then blame him of rape. Or just 'change her mind' later or blame it on alcohol or something. No I'm not saying it's happening often, but let's not pretend this doesn't exist. And in this case, a man has no way to defend himself either unless he videotaped her agreement to have the intercourse.

So okay videogames may not be mature enough to tackle the subject... But when are they going to be?

No it's not, that's not rape, it's false accusations, which are always assumed to be awful. We don't see genocide as a grey area because you could falsely accuse someone of it. Quite frankly I do not consider someone who knowingly falsely accuses another of rape deserves to be seen as any better than a rapist btw. Someone who rapes another versus one who makes sure they're stuck in a cell for years on end, significantly raising their chances of getting raped, and then destroys any chance at a normal livelihood they get after that? Seems like a no question to me.

This just in: the U.N. declares NPCs have human rights.

Rape is in many different types of mediums with manga being a good example. None of that is really scrutinised or censored yet when it comes to computer games it's like declaring blasphemy.

dunam:

disappointed:

In CoD, the nature of every death is very clear, but in the multiplayer game, no one really dies. They respawn, and their corpse disappears. The depiction of a violent death is there but it is typically fleeting and distant, as opposed to the lingering slo-mos of Sniper Elite.

And then there's players teabagging, which is clearly some form of rape. But that's not really real either. They respawn and their corpse disappears. It is typically fleeting and distant.

It's not that it isn't real - nothing in games is real. But teabagging is just... I'm not sure what the hell it is really. It's not distant, though thanks for reading. I guess it's just in the same category as trolls referring to rape in their trash talk. Whatever it is, it's not a part of the game as designed, it's an invention of the players and it's a behaviour I'd avoid, more because it's symptomatic of a crappy server than for it recreating rape in a disturbingly vivid fashion. Because it really really doesn't.

And the killing in CoD doesn't come close to the violence of true conflict, although it does seem to aspire to this, which is disturbing.

I have to say splendid job Sterling. I believe I'm 100% behind you on this one. I would call murder more merciful then what amounts to a survived, maimed, torture victim of the mind and sometimes body. It's a matter of more cruelty amounts to more evil in my opinion. I won't be engaging in either but I find it easier to defend killing, murder if a psychological illness is involved, than rape. And for the love of Jim stop saying it to people you stomped on XBLA. Say...schooled or something. It's more classy. Pwned even is a few magnitudes less crass and obscene. It's merely annoying as opposed to morally wrong.

The best example to compare rape to killing and how the former can be more emotionally disturbing is easy to grasp for someone who's played a lot of team fortress 2:

After certain rounds, when a team has won, the losing team is unable to fire (but can still run away). I've always felt it's pretty unfair and vicious way to end a game: I would most want to walk up to my opponents and shaek their hands.

But some servers make you respawn during this after-round time, meaning that you can be killed over and over again in about a minute's time, repeatedly dying in a disorienting display.

The second has always made me much more uncomfortable.

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I think in general games are made by guys with lacking social/writing skills (but mad programming and creative skills). The example of lara croft almost getting raped is distasteful to me; lara croft could have been a real girl's/women champion, but every step since her first game has been more into being objectified and less being a tough girl. Almost being raped and then surviving isn't empowering.
It may sound empowering, but it isn't. That's like saying he almost got fired, but he didn't. It's not empowering to not have something taken away from you.

I like a lot of what you have to say in this subject, Jim. However, I must disagree on one point - the point you make about a rape victim playing a game with rape in it vs a murder victim playing a game with murder in it. What about soldiers with PTSD playing games with killing in them? The argument falls just a little short there.

Still, I enjoyed this week's Jimquisition. This was a very hard subject to tackle well and I think you did a fantastic job. Thank god for you, sir.

Captcha: gadzooks

Gadzooks! This was a show about rape!

I'm going to put it simply.
I equate rape to torture.
If a game had my character endure torture or rape, I'd be fine with that, but to have my character commit it? That, I'd be iffy on.

Part of the problem with showing rape or torture is that it forces you to characterise the victim more, which helps make it the taboo it is, and probably should be. When you are carving up people in Prototype they are practically faceless, so it seems irrelevant, but it is just as bad as raping someone in terms of in in-game morality, however I feel that if you were to allow rape on the scale of murder in prototype, it probably wouldn't have a good or even neutral affect outside the game.

As for those saying that rape is actually worse than murder in terms of its violation of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Rule]Golden Rule[url], I don't know how much you value your life, but I'd rather be raped or tortured and be able to continue my life than be murdered.

In short, it is folly to say that murder is worse than rape, but rape should probably stay out as a feature in videogames (except under certain circumstances, see top paragraph).

Now that was a sterling video. I lift my chapeau claque in you honor sir.

Rape, because even villians need boundaries

A greatly argued and well thought out video, Jim. You've treated the topic with great discretion and forethought, which is fantastic to see on an internet which can often be filled with knee-jerk reactions. However, whilst I think I agree with you on the points you make about rape being a trickier subject then murder, you raised a brief point that I think could develop the argument further.

Murder and rape are the same thing. Or at least, murder as it is portrayed in videogames can be easily likened to rape. You already mentioned that rape and killing are both domination fantasies, a way to express power dynamics between victim and victor, obviously with the intention of making the player feel like the victor. I believe you are one hundred percent correct; it's a power fantasy through and through.

However, I think that point also goes hand in hand with the fact that violence is fetishized in games. Ignoring the already Freudian symbolism of swords and guns as is (a little too obvious at this point), the act of death has been portrayed in an increasingly pornographic manner. With the popularity of quick-time events and cut scene, close up executions of the enemy, players are basically forced to watch the grisly dispatching of their foes, coupled with dramatic cinematography and what are essentially money-shots of the blood spatters. Whilst extreme examples include the visceral X-ray shots of Mortal Kombat and Sniper Elite V2, even games which are considered 'intelligent', like Deus Ex: Human Revolution, are guilty of these methods of display.

I think this invalidates many of the points you made about rape's superiority in terms of 'evilness' to murder. Violence can be impersonal - very few games treat it as such, given how difficult it is to make something impersonal when it requires direct action by the player to achieve. Death is quick - you must have seen the Gears and God of War executions? These methods of death are anything but quick, stretching out the process for as long as possible without breaking flow, to give the player as excellent a view of the carnage as possible. It is a sexual viewpoint - close up, physical, an act of domination. This is hardly a new point; indeed, many critics seem to think that is why rape has become a taunt. Because, you're not just killing, you're also raping in a way.

My point is this; I'm not sure whether this discussion is purely about rape being represented in video games. Anything can be represented in any art form, there shouldn't be any limits to portrayal and discussion. But it does mean we have to rethink our attitudes to the glorification of player actions. Why should the player character always be right? When we have treated both issues with equal weight, that's when we solve the problem, rather than repeatedly discounting one and accepting the other.

I'll admit I've levied some pretty heavy criticism at Jimquisition in the past, but this video isn't just good, it's excellent.

Oh, and in answer to both points about violence being normalised and rape being mentally scarring - is that your experience from talking to those people who've actually taken a human life in the real world? My encounters with reports from soldiers say that actually taking a life is an extremely difficult thing to do and you're never the same afterwards. I think those points seriously undervalue what is actually involved in the action of killing.

And whilst you can argue that videogames desensitize the player through distance, that same point could be applied to rape. I'm not demolishing the point, I'm just saying it requires a bit more thought.

I don't see how there could be a grey area with rape. It's mind boggling.

Quite the difficult subject to tackle, Jim. Great video, you did very very well. I just want to give you a hug!

dunam:

Abandon4093:

Sex is the last real taboo in the western world.

If by western world you mean America.

True that.

But if you say stuff like that too much round here you'll just get called an arrogant European or something.

Funnily enough, rape is the original fate worse than death. It's the first subject to which that phrase, 'a fate worse than death', was applied. With pretty good reason.

Well, the series has really come in leaps and bounds IMO. Never took an interest when it began, but if it continues to deal with the wide variety of interesting topics it has done in the past few weeks then I will be sticking around to enjoy them. Thanks Jim.

DVS BSTrD:
You don't rape in self-defense.
I could defend a game with rape IN it but not a game that is ABOUT rape.

Summed up my attitude. Thank you.

ReiverCorrupter:

But in the case of rape, I would say it has very little to do with clothing, and more to do with a lack of awareness of one's surroundings, and a dangerous sense of comfort in situations where one should be wary. I'm willing to bet just as much rape happens when some woman dressed in sweatpants decides to take out her trash in the middle of the night as happens to drunken women wandering home from a club. Spreading awareness helps to prevent this. This is especially true when you consider the campaign to warn people about keeping an eye on their drinks to avoid date-rape drugs. Many of these women probably thought they were being safe by traveling by taxi, some of them might have even had mace.

The victim's actions should be criticized because stupidity/ignorance shouldn't be ignored or encouraged. It's essentially the same thing as telling someone they were stupid for leaving their Mercedes unlocked in a bad neighborhood overnight: the criminal is the one who committed the wrongdoing; the person who left it unlocked is only guilty of being stupid. Same goes for not covering up the pad when you enter your pin #, or not chopping up credit cards.

People don't like these arguments because they find them offensive, and I'm sympathetic. The victim has usually been through enough, and it doesn't help to criticize them: they've almost assuredly learned their lesson. But when the police chief warns women not to repeat that person's mistake, he is hardly legitimizing rape. I guess someone might take that to be 'mansplaining', but it's really just common sense, and sometimes people need to be given a good fright to make them wake up. Sure, no one in their right mind would do such a thing, but the victims are often drunk. Putting a bit of fear into them might influence them take more precautions before they go out, like bringing a tazer, or using a buddy-system.

Sure, it's condescending to tell women what to do, but sometimes people need to be condescended to and scared. And no, it's not a gender thing. The same applies to men in various other circumstances. A man should be equally criticized for getting mugged after wandering around drunk in a bad neighborhood.

Good point. People are mixing "use common sense" advices with insensivity. Not surprising considering the theme.

Sgt. Sykes:

Good point. I bet that if someone made a videogame about torture, there would be voices hailing it for 'raising awereness', 'artistic freedom' and stuff, while the same voices would still condemn games about rape.

Besides, there exists a ton of videogames about torture (see any flashgame portal) and nobody really raises an eyebrow, while similar flash games about rape or (for example) ethnic violence are immediately shunned. It's not that I approve of the latter games, but really let's be fair here...

Not only portals. All the platforms have games with torture.

Another good point. Isn't rape just a specific kind of torture? If you think there is nothing as horrible, some dictatorships did this:

Warning: Torture description

Loethlin:

I do have a tool for that. I keep it in my bedside table's drawer. It's pink, latex and I call it MIGHTY MAN NOODLE.

Of course, the point I'm trying to make here is that this definition of rape is silly and it should be changed, because, as you rightly say, women are perfectly capable of sexually violating men and other women alike.

So, apart from that, I generally agree with Jim. So yay. And all that.

warning: Rape case.

I think the problem with the murder themes is that, while we (presumably) don't insult the dead, we may be a little insensitive to the families of the killed. Would play a slicing ninja next to a person who had his uncle murdered and chopped in pieces (happened in my country, recently)?

My points:

1. Good manners seem to have be the central theme here, and the videogame and online worlds seem to be lacking it. You simply don't made heavy jokes with people you barely know, and even when you really know a person you just are aware of which toes you can or cannot step on.

2. The ESRB is usefull. It presents the themes to you. Also previews and reviews. Don't play the games that make you feel bad. Encourage genres, themes and characters that you think are under represented.

3. My fear. Censorship. A human brain is a scary thing. Sometimes I just want to go crazy, in a game or in daydreaming. I think the people who are over defensive about their right to use the R word think that they are being considered bad people or even outright rapists or murderers for simulating and thinking violence.

4. Murder and killing are power plays also. You hold power over the very existence of a person. Being a fight only proves that you were the "superior one". Being "justified" is a free pass to enjoy a nasty instinct.

Really people. The executions of Poseidon and Zeus in God of War 3 aren't heinous just because Kratos didn't stick his dick in them? The despair and screams of the beatings are really nasty.

Remeber guys maybe just dont rape! words to live by thanks jim

5ilver:
I disagree. If you ban rape and rape discussions and somehow remove it from life entirely, why not do the same for dentistry, dentists, everything to do with teeth? I mean, it's pretty traumatic, painful, everybody hates it... Or paper-cuts. Man, those hurt.
Death on the other hand is a final full stop, a big ending, there is nothing (as far as I know) beyond death. There are no chances to heal yourself emotionally and physically.

Tl;dr: Death-end, rape-pain, thus saying rape is NONO while death is ok is hypocrisy.

Is the paper-cut going to victimize you, demean you, degrade you, traumatize you?
Does the dentist expose you to potentially life threatening diseases?
Do end up potentially pregnant from stubbing your toe?

There is also a defence for murder called justifiable homicide and most games try to make the act of killing a justified as possible. There is no such thing as justifiable rape.

And look up the word hypocrisy. It does not mean what you think it means. The word you are looking for is fallacious.

I totally agree. I mean, some games have tried taking it on, but it's usually been with antagonists, and it's never center stage. Like you said, it's a good way to make us hate a villain. In fact, one of my favorite moments in ANY game is the scene in L.A. Noire, at the finale of the traffic desk, where you must chase a child molester through an enormous, decrepit movie set, constantly bounding across falling scaffolds and props. Not only was it amazing because of the enormnity of the set and the epic orchestra in the background, but because it was chasing a villain I truly hated. L.A. Noire was a good game, but that one scene was simply stunning.
Thank God for you, Jim.

Grahav:

Really people. The executions of Poseidon and Zeus in God of War 3 aren't heinous just because Kratos didn't stick his dick in them? The despair and screams of the beatings are really nasty.

To sum it up, this.

I just don't understand how people think such a way. :/

Stripes:
Right, sorry its just when someone finds the caps lock it tends to suggest theyve hot the angry eyes on.

Yeah because emphasizing a few words = caps-locks.

If I message my friends and type "Come on guys, we REALLY have to start cleaning our plates after we eat." That's not caps locks, that's emphasizing "really".

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