Escape to the Movies: The Amazing Spider-Man

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I'm not going to watch it simply because Marvel doesn't have the rights back yet. Once they do, then I'll watch it.

DRTJR:
...How do you make a Spider man movie with out J. Jonah Jameson?

Badly, apparently.

But Nate's right; JK killed as JJJ, so unless they got him back (which would've been bizarre given that the entire rest of the cast is different from the other Spidey movies) they wouldn't have been able to find someone who could compare.

Well, I mean, okay, maybe they could have - anything is possible - but it's highly unlikely.

Well we all knew this was coming. It was kind of obvious that this would be the type of film that Bob hates. I'm still planning on seeing it though, even if I'm not expecting that much.

Can't say I'm really all that surprised by this review, Bob's more or less been trolling this film for the past year.

One point of contention I do feel the need to respond to, though, is Bob's "it just so happens..." bit. That's a pretty nitpicky thing to hang around this film's neck, especially when it could be applied to most - if not all - comic book movies, hell even any action movie.

I mean, well, here are just a couple of examples;

Kid's parents are murdered by street mugger who it just so happens shares a cell with a mob boss who it just so happens is working with the head of local psychiatric prison who it just so happens is working with the same kid's evil mentor figure to destroy the city.

German terrorists take over corporate building where it just so happens there's a hotheaded New York cop who it just so happens is a pretty inventive guy when working with firearms and explosives, and who it just so happens turns out to be the husband of one of the top ranking executives in the building who it just so happens is the primary hostage the terrorists are talking to because they killed the CEO.

To berate this film for making Richard Parker a co-worker with Connors, and have both of them working for Norman Osborn, just comes off as trying to bury it with a pretty flimsy shovel, since that's an angle that's been played out in some of the comics and animated series already, and isn't an arrangement that's too far outside the realms of possibility. Hell, to quote Bob's own catchphrase, but comics are weird, and that kind of "it just so happens" coincidence is commonplace in the comics.

And, yeah, I know I'm going to get flamed for typing this up, but what the hell...

Wow, I understand some of where Bob is coming from, but... that's a lot of rage.

I saw the midnight premiere of this movie (not because I was hyped for the movie, but because I wanted to hang out with some friends), and I liked it somewhat. I mean, most recent superhero movies have been better, but I actually enjoyed myself while watching it. I'm normally extremely critical of movies too...

I think Bob blew a gasket. This is like watching Yahtzee review an online FPS, only not as funny and kind of painful to watch.

Unlike most of you automatically siding with Bob, I've actually seen the film.

IT'S NOT BAD

And I'm the kind of person who thinks everything is crap. I found it to be funny and much closer to what I understand about spiderman from the comics than the other movies. Aside from the whole thing with Conners, I would say it's worth the watch.

Eh, reviews have been mixed going from ok to great but this is the first full on negative review I've seen.
And nearly every review I've watched or read has put Andrew as the better version of Peter Parker over Tobi, which aint that hard tbh.

All the same, I'd rather Spidey was back in Disney/Marvel hands simply to have him in the Avengers universe.

I never really enjoyed the Rami films, but watched them all the same (I was working at a cinema at the time, so saw them for free). The highlights of those films were the cameos of Bruce Campbell. As this doesn't have a Bruce Campbell cameo there is even less reason for me to see it.

MovieBob:
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While I typically agree with you, you're apparently waaaay too close to this material. It's not that the flaws you've pointed out are all untrue, it's just that they're not nearly as big as you've made them.

The parent storyline? Yeah, I'm with you on that. Taking the established characters and linking them all together does stink of too much coincidence... in hindsight. That's the thing. If you know these characters already, yes, it seems forced to connect them all. If you're not intimately familiar (More on this later), the only one that stands out is that Spidey's girlfriend is the daughter of Spidey's major detractor... but that's no different that Jameson being Spidey's #1 hate-fan and his boss, really.

A fundamental changing of Spider-Man's motivation? Eh, I thought I'd see it, but I don't. To me, he's still portrayed as the "Everyman Accidental Hero" here, and Uncle Ben still plays a major part in that. In fact:

And as to "Who is Peter Parker?" this movie created a more authentic Parker than I've seen yet. Not all geeks are the same kind of geek. Not all smart kids are the antithesis of slackers. He had dimension, in that he had the kind of conflicting identity and motivations that real high school kids have. (I work with high school kids every day, and this one felt like a high school kid, particularly one with Peter's home situation)

THE BIG THING:

They can't continue to tell these stories to the original audience. They can't continue to pay the ever-increasing tribute to the "core fans." Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, these are characters that, to a degree, have outlived their audiences. What other medium does this but comics? (And, to a lesser-but-analogous degree, James Bond movies. Much-needed reboot, because the social climate is very different from when the first movies were made.)

Trying to keep the same character alive and fresh and interesting, and staying roughly the same age, and yet still appeasing to the "loyal fans," is the entire reason comics develop the twisted, knotted continuity and insane escalation that you've so often decried in your COMICS ARE WEIRD pieces on The Big Picture. Stories need endings to keep from getting this outlandish, and it's not always wrong to re-tell them a little differently after that ending.

With a lot of these reboots, there is a recognition that the characters are outliving their original audience (or at least their attention span). They're maintaining connections to the original, in hopes of bringing some of the old fans forward, but they're mostly trying to bring in new fans.

The problem when some folks get a little too "invested" in a particular version of a character, dating back even to childhood, is that those people begin to feel like investors. That is to say, they feel they're entitled to a particular return on that investment. And when it doesn't pay off that way, they get angry.

Batman. The whole DC universe. The heroes of the Avengers. Spider-Man. James Bond. They've all recently gotten reboots. And is there a huge financial motivation? Sure there is! You've got at least a somewhat guaranteed audience over trying to create an entirely new character. But also, there is a love that audiences and writers have over the core concepts of these characters... but not always over the insane continuity stretching behind them, or some of the archaic stylistic elements.

I feel that, in the majority of these reboots, that core concept has been retained and perhaps refined a bit. Some details are changed to avoid a super-strict retelling, and some characters are recycled for familiarity reasons, but the character is preserved. This movie is no exception: this felt more like a Spider-Man movie to me than any of the Sam Raimi projects (which, don't get me wrong, I still enjoyed).

Thank you. I don't think I've ever wanted to hear a movie torn apart like I've wanted this one to be (and sadly, Rotten Tomatoes wasn't up to the task). I'm not going to even try to pretend I don't have a personal grudge against the film. I'm not going to watch it in cinemas and I certainly don't think I could enjoy it. Thank you very much for this review Bob, I was hoping you'd be the critic to give this movie the backhand it deserves.

Is it more or less of a bastardization of it's source material than Dragon Ball: Evolution?

You're right, MovieBob. This movie should have been more like Captain America.

As bad as it might be and I'm not saying anything because I haven't watched it, but I really have no expectations, at least it doesn't have Spiderman not being able to shoot webs because he's depressed, I mean if there's half a movie here where Peter acts emo, first Spideman trilogy had an hour in each of the movies.
Also it doesn't have the female lead (and come to think if it Peter was like that as well) look like she's a sick junkie they found on a street instead of a really cute actress.
And let us not forget the part of the 3rd movie where Tobey really looks emo only that's supposed to make him look cool and be a dick to the love of his life...
And as bad as CGI might be at least Spiderman doesn't seem to be made of rubber and lacking a spine.

All of that makes me think I'll watch this on tv some time from now and think "At least it's not the Raimi Spiderman."
You'd think they learned a lesson or two from the Avengers serial (let's face it Spiderman is more of an Avenger character than a Batman styled) and made a movie which would be cool to comic readers but also be a fun action movie for others, especially when they're apparently doing this to keep the brand.

I kind of knew you were against this movie from it's inception, and because I liked spidey so much when I got a chance to see it early I did.

Even though you were probably a tiny bit biased about the movie, it is nearly as bad as you made it out to be. And that is a damn shame. I seriously felt like I was watching a teenage movie on Nickelodeon rather than an actual movie.

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Holy Crap Bob! I don't think I've seen you dump on a movie like that in a LONG time.

My thoughts leading up to this:

"OH HEY! MovieBob released a Escape to the movies on a Tuesday, and its about spiderman. Either it kicks all amounts of ass, or it sucks all amounts of ass."

Looks like it was the latter. Well, I wasnt planning on seeing this movie, so no loss on my part.

Never really felt this way about one of your reviews, but what movie did you watch?

Spoilers

Now I admit that I had no expectations going into this and that added to my enjoyment but I just don;t understand why people are ripping into this movie. Also I have to admit I did not like the first movie that much because the transition from teen kid to Superduper hero happened to fast and the Green Goblin was a wasted villain. Peter actually has to learn from his mistakes. Captain Stacey conversation with Peter actually leads to character development. Also, no one says " with great power comes great responsibility", instead Peter learns this from reflecting upon the reactions of other people.

I enjoyed the action as well. CGI is not 100% but I have seen worse and I will over look to see spiderman fight like spiderman and not like a stiff Tobey Macguire. The final fight with Green Goblin was so anti climatic it always left a bad taste with me even re watching it later on. This time around it felt like things had time to escalate between the Lizard

As for how Andrew Garfield and the way Peter acts, its like I reacted to long series deaths in my teen years (one was my father). Peter reacted erratically because that's is what kids do when deal with bad shit when they are kids.

Short version of this review:

Waaaah! I want Spiderman to join the Avengers and now he can't!

hehe

I like the idea that others are stating. Stop watching Spidey till he's back in Marvels hands. Even if bobs review may be harsh, I'd much rather hope to see him in the Avengers movie continuity.

draythefingerless:
Seems to me all the complaints have been based on your conceptions of classical spider man. i did not see any complaints on the movie as a movie itself apart from CGI and the lizard character. you go thru saying peter parker is emo, skater, slacker. you would have prefered a single stereotyped character? it seems to me he is more of a normal person, more grounded on reality. a real person =/= stereotype.

I think the problem isn't with stereotypes, its the fact that Peter Parker has NEVER been an emo/skater/slacket. He has always been a geek, a science nerd. To gloss over that part of his persona (which they don't even commit to because he eventually builds the web throwers), is a huge change from who Peter Parker has always been. It reeks of trying to pull in the teenager summer goers by trying to create a "hip" Spiderman. A change is fine. Completely rewritting the character traits that make Peter Parker who he is? Overboard.

I know I wouldn't like this film, but at least there is someone who hates it more than I do.
I just ignore it save for watching this review and possibly watching it if its on TV and I don't have the others on DVD (or literally anything else) so maybe I would hate it as much as bob if I was forced to watch it.

HOWEVER, the only saving graces for this film (in my mind) were Dennis Leary and the 3D, neither of which bob mentioned. Spider-man is exactly what 3D was made for and Dennis Leary is fucking awesome. But even these 2 things aren't enough to make me wanna see this film after that review

As soon as I saw that Bob had gone through the trouble to make an early episode of this, I knew it either had to be unbelievably awesome or gut-wrenchingly bad. I was already leaning towards the latter, and I was right. Yay?

Also when Bob shrinks down the planet at one point in the video, it fits perfectly inside the play button that appears when you pause it. I just thought that was funny.

I expected this kind of reaction. I'm not really a hardcore Spiderman fan, so I'm not that butthurt about changes from the original material like you. I bet the movie is actually at the very least halfway decent.
But if there's one thing keeping me from watching this movie, it's the Lizard. Connor was probably my favourite character in the animated series, which I grew up with (and, coincidentally, the only Spiderman-related thing I ever experienced, apart from Sam Raimi's stuff), and from the trailers alone I can tell that he pretty much got ruined.

This is my "I'm totally not surprised by this" face. -____-
I've been expecting this since I heard about Raimi being booted. The other Spider-Man films weren't perfect, but at least Raimi loved Spider-Man and that translated onto the screen. The way he was removed from the project told me everything I needed to know about where this movie was going.

Kmadden2004:
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I completely agree with you on this. When Bob was going on at that, I couldn't help but think "I'm sure I read that in one of the comics". Originally I thought the Ultimate incarnation, but checked and nope. This sort of happy coincidence occurs all the time in comics, films, books etc and knocking a film for it makes Bob seem really petty.

Dastardly:
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I snipped only because I would have made my post too big, but like with Kmadden, I completely agree. People complain about reboots or new games using the same ideas (*cough*Nintendo*cough*) but the people who complain the most are those that forget they arn't the target audience. The target audience for this film are the 11-13 year olds who were still crapping their pants and drawing on the walls when the previous trilogy started.

Even if this review was full of fanboyism, Bob is usually pretty good about acknowledging that in a review. He said that Green Lantern was a pile of dung and was right there, even if he was raging like a fanboy. Being a fanboy over something doesn't automatically discount the opinion.

But seriously how many of us knew this movie was going to be terrible from the moment it was announced to that first teaser trailer. It was a cash grab from day one, if it really is that terrible (I wasn't going to see it anyway) I hope that it fails.

You can't tell me Mephisto didn't have a hand in this getting made.

Kmadden2004:
And, yeah, I know I'm going to get flamed for typing this up, but what the hell...

I think you backed up your point well.

It's true the whole "small world" bit is overplayed in most media (and even common in highly regarded stuff like Charles Dickens and Star Wars). However it's possible to do this without it feeling forced or blatant. I'm not sure if this is the exact problem with the new Spider-Man, I'd guess it's more that you can get away with such coincidences when the story is otherwise engaging.

Sis:
Whenever someone asks me why I think your opinion should be taken with a grain of salt half the time, I'll point em to this video. You've been against this movie since before anything got announced besides that it's going to happen. And it shows. Even if this movie was The Dark Knight levels of good, you'd probably still say it was bad.

It's true that it's easy to get entrenched in disliking something. However I don't think Bob complaining about pre-release details really effected this review. Many of his complaints (bad CGI, bad pacing, character changes for no discernible reason) are criticisms he commonly makes. And really, if anything it lessened the blow: Bob went into this with low expectations.

Plinglebob:
I snipped only because I would have made my post too big, but like with Kmadden, I completely agree. People complain about reboots or new games using the same ideas (*cough*Nintendo*cough*) but the people who complain the most are those that forget they arn't the target audience. The target audience for this film are the 11-13 year olds who were still crapping their pants and drawing on the walls when the previous trilogy started.

I'll do ya one better: the idea of "target audience" is often what creates the problem. The fans often feel they are the target audience. The bigger the fan, the more a "target" they feel they should be. The smaller the target, the harder it is to hit. That's the problem.

To fans, their familiarity with the source material is like currency. They've worked to acquire it, and it then buys them greater enjoyment... but that's not all. That currency also buys them a greater stake in what happens next, or so they think. And that means each new "attraction" in the fandom must carry an "admission price," or something more akin to "You Must Be This Tall (A Fan) to Ride." And if it doesn't have that, they feel betrayed somehow, like rich people getting angry that "just anyone" an afford this-or-that luxury.

You can't keep marketing to the same crowd, because they inevitably shrink. And you can't bring in new people if the "You Must Be This Tall" keeps getting higher.

I'm not being funny, but it's not as if the 3 other Spiderman films were any good.

The 2nd one was just awful. Especially the train sequence which ought to go down as the dumbest scene ever made.

50 people see whom Spiderman is, but all promise not to tell anyone? OFF! OFF! OFF!

Just one thing that I thought it sounded weird, you said that the visuals looked like they were trying to be gritty and shit but I dont see that, the costume is even quite colourfull and I dont dislike the costume due to that, I think it gives a nice visual contrast with a colourfull spiderman in a dark (but not even that dark, most of the lights seem quite bright) background.

Some times me and Bob have different opinions on films, I'm hoping this is one of them....
I don't think it will be though.

This is bizzaro world.

No, I don't mean that the release of a rushed, cheap spider-man licence renewal movies would be a miss, I mean, the video game is actually pretty fun.

We have a movie that has a ...not-terrible video game, but this time the movie sucks.

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