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Pep Talk

The Trick to Being Erin Stout

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Gotta say that I've really liked this arc, its helped flesh out a lot of characters really well, although one tends to think of Erin more and more as just being a plain bad person.

This is my first experience with the term 'honey-trap'.

Isn't he still technically helping her out though?

Can't see any way that he's trying to bring her down, other than using that as a point for confidence in small Erin's pep talk

I think they mean Tris is trying to bring her down and get her all vulnerable just for sex.

To be fair, the mental illness isn't Erin felling sorry for herself, it's Erin talking to videogame characters that aren't there!
And it IS better to confront your problems than to ignore them.

itsthesheppy:
This is my first experience with the term 'honey-trap'.

Someone clearly hasn't been getting their recommended intake of 'Archer'.

I take offense! We men are not icky. For WOMEN are the ones with cooties!

OT: Liking the tidbits of back story, hope it gets fleshed out.

Nice of you to add a clarification in the edit :P
Not that I'd have said anything either way, but yeh when dealing with someone who has a form of mental illness, telling them to "suck it in" rarely works.

Maybe, just maybe, if we wish hard enough, we can all bring erin back to sanity! or at least a ending to this story arc.
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thats how it works.

i'll start. i wish. i wish......i wiiiiiiiiiish. i think i pooped myself..

Sometimes I wish my childhood self would punch me.

I love this storyline and the word 'chode' xD I want to see what happens the 'meanwhiles' are getting frustrating lol.

I liked your disclaimer. It was nice of you to add that. It can very much contribute to depression when people tell you to get over it.

I have struggled with clinical depression for a long time and it turns out I have actually got something seriously physically wrong with me too (that can worsen mental symptoms) that I have had from when I was teen. So people who told me I was faker and lazy and to get over it feel a bit stupid now I'll bet...

The last time I saw my inner child I was in a dream chasing her around a high tech skyscraper in which various experiments were being conducted. Not entirely sure what that means...

yet telling someone with clinical depression to "get over it" isn't considered grounds for a punch in the tits, which is infuriating.

*stands up*

*slow clap*

*faster clapping*

*cheers*

I want that on a t-shirt.

I feel real close to Erin right now, im a emotional person and get depressed quite abit. I userly try to just get over myself but that doesn't always work. I know shes on a completely different level what with the mental apparitions causing physical/mental harm and what not, im just saying she seems to work out her probs much like I try to do.

ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

so then am i to assume she has solicited blows to the head in the past?

It keeps getting shittier and shittier.

Erin is totally a lesbian.

I demand a female love interest.

Clearing the Eye:
Erin is totally a lesbian.

I demand a female love interest.

Well, there's Erin.

hooksashands:
Sometimes I wish my childhood self would punch me.

I'd rather punch my childhood self. He's left me with so much guilt.

rhizhim:
Maybe, just maybe, if we wish hard enough, we can all bring erin back to sanity! or at least a ending to this story arc.
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thats how it works.

i'll start. i wish. i wish......i wiiiiiiiiiish. i think i pooped myself..

I wish. I wish......i wiiiiiiiiiish you hadn't said that

felbot:
ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

Nah that's just what Erin thinks of him. If you haven't noticed, she doesn't have the kindest view of most people.

Captcha:tastes like chicken
YOU BETTER NOT EAT MY FREAKING POST!

Edit: Whew

RvLeshrac:

Clearing the Eye:
Erin is totally a lesbian.

I demand a female love interest.

Well, there's Erin.

The ultimate form of wincest.

I approve.

DVS BSTrD:
Captcha:tastes like chicken
YOU BETTER NOT EAT MY FREAKING POST!

Edit: Whew

Rofl. Not only is Captcha sentient, she's hungry.

Clearing the Eye:

RvLeshrac:

Clearing the Eye:
Erin is totally a lesbian.

I demand a female love interest.

Well, there's Erin.

The ultimate form of wincest.

I approve.

I call no lolicon!

Clearing the Eye:

DVS BSTrD:
Captcha:tastes like chicken
YOU BETTER NOT EAT MY FREAKING POST!

Edit: Whew

Rofl. Not only is Captcha sentient, she's hungry.

"She"? Oh Erin...

No fair! I want to talk to my inner child!

DVS BSTrD:

Clearing the Eye:

RvLeshrac:

Well, there's Erin.

The ultimate form of wincest.

I approve.

I call no lolicon!

Clearing the Eye:

DVS BSTrD:
Captcha:tastes like chicken
YOU BETTER NOT EAT MY FREAKING POST!

Edit: Whew

Rofl. Not only is Captcha sentient, she's hungry.

"She"? Oh Erin...

Erin is the Captcha?

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felbot:
ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

Well he IS a virtual stranger who has taken it upon himself to stage a freakin' intervention (and one that can possibly end with him dropping her a couple of stories onto concrete if his arms get tired). That takes the mindset of thinking you know what's right for a stranger, and being so sure of it you'd put their life in peril.

Taken from that perspective that guy is kinda a self righteous dick.

canadamus_prime:
No fair! I want to talk to my inner child!

It's overrated.
Mine just fries ants, which I wish he'd stop doing, and look at porn.

felbot:
ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

Im not sure, but I dont think "Kid Erin" is any better of influence on Erin than Kratos and the gang. But at the same time, Erin is being hung out a window by a guy she just met...

...I think Erin my need some major proffesional help...

It's interesting that you'd bring it up, because (having massive struggles with depression throughout my family) I'm infuriated by the opposite extreme: the idea that depression is something that is entirely to be fixed medically.

Sometimes, when we struggle with this sort of illness/disorder, we allow ourselves to feel as though people who don't have the clinical diagnosis don't struggle. People with depression sometimes allow themselves to believe "normal people" are never really that depressed, or people battling anxiety let themselves think that "normal people" aren't battling anxiety.

This is not that we condemn "normal people." It's not about them at all. It's that we create this unattainable ideal for what it is to be normal. That if the medication is working, we shouldn't have to fight at all.

Problem is, everyone fights. Everyone is in a hole, and everyone has to struggle to climb out. Folks with clinical diagnoses are in a deeper hole, and the walls are too tall, slippery, spiky, or whatever to climb out unassisted. Medication provides that assistance... but it doesn't climb out for us. It just brings us up closer to the same depth everyone struggles with, and from there we still have to do battle like the rest of them.

In some ways, it's like the belief that some minorities have that life is completely rosy for white people, or white people believing minorities get everything handed to them. Because we can't genuinely experience the other side, it's easy to idealize their side in a way that absolves us of all responsibility.

So, yeah, there needs to be an understanding from others. They need to understand that it can range from being like "walking on a broken leg" to "having only one leg." You can't will that away. It requires medical intervention, whether temporary (cast), long-term (cane), or permanent (prosthetic). But there is also, for many, a point where we've received our assistance, still face opposition, and do have to be reminded that just because we move slower doesn't mean we're get carried (or get to stay put).

Interesting development since that's the first time Erin mother had been mention. Wait is she going to revork against that guy especially when he is trying to help her despite using an unorthodox methods.

To qoute Jerome K. Jerome:
"In the present instance, going back to the liver-pill circular, I had the symptoms, beyond all mistake, the chief among them being "a general disinclination to work of any kind."

What I suffer in that way no tongue can tell. From my earliest infancy I have been a martyr to it. As a boy, the disease hardly ever left me for a day. They did not know, then, that it was my liver. Medical science was in a far less advanced state than now, and they used to put it down to laziness.

"Why, you skulking little devil, you," they would say, "get up and do something for your living, can't you?" - not knowing, of course, that I was ill."

I've met a lot of people, who had to just get over themselves and get on with their lives.
I am yet to meet a single person who has clinical depression to the point where he can't function normally without medication.

So I am comfortable with calling out people for being lazy asses, who just need to get over themselves.

Better to appologize to 1 person, who is really sick, than to miss calling out 10 douches, who just want a free ride on this society-bus, that I'm paying for.

Clearing the Eye:
Erin is totally a lesbian.

I demand a female love interest.

Funny enough I always expect something to happen whenever Erin is together with Sharon or Moll.
But, nothing so far.

Haha I'm not sure who I should be going for when this show down starts. Erin was a total (but lovable) bitch for 90% of this arc and the guy had the patience of a saint to put up with it for that long, until he got upset and started dangling her out the window haha.

Now two characters that would be insufferable irl are going to battle it out, each thinking they are in the right. Total bitch verse righteous zealot! This should be funny.

So we've had Meanwhile 1 and Meanwhile 2.
The next one will be Meanwhile: Brotherhood, followed by Meanwhile: Revelations, right?

felbot:
ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

He did push here out the window and then forced her to agree to his help before pulling her in, if he's not a bad guy he is at the very least an idiot.

lord.jeff:

felbot:
ok i am confused now, are you telling me that guy is the bad guy now? you were making him out as a really nice guy who didn't rape people when they were drunk and now hes bad?

He did push here out the window and then forced her to agree to his help before pulling her in, if he's not a bad guy he is at the very least an idiot.

Well he did just get his ass kicked the night before trying to save her sorry ass so maybe he's just so pissed off that he's doing something stupid. Besides, I don't think kid Erin is a paragon of virtue, shes just thinking a little clearer than Erin right now. Also kid Erin doesn't appear to like boys in general.

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