Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

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Sure that's all true but to implement all those advantages you still have to be some sort of nerd to get it going. Consoles are still the easiest way to go. Give a ten year old all the necessary equipment to achieve what you described on the PC and they wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to hook up my PC to a TV, connect a controller to a PC, or handle all the computer specs stuff. All that is another barrier.

I don't know what's it like on the PS3, but besides online passes, the Xbox 360 is still very straight forward buy the game and you play when you get home. Yes, mods are the holy grail, but navigating the computer system is still way harder than an Xbox.

Xbox has a simpler set up and attract more of the general population. Sure PC is a step up, but you would have to level up yourself to get there.

PCs are great, but there is a reason why all my friends have Xbox Live. Like Weed is Xbox 360 and Cocaine is PC. You start with Weed first and graduate if you are really trying to reach the clouds.

Oh goody. Thanks Jim, we really needed the sanctioned flame war.

Roofstone:

meganmeave:
Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

This'd be the main reason I love my consoles. I don't need to buy new bits and bobs for it every year. Cause guess what? Parts are expensive. :)

I own a halfway decent laptop from 2010, and it'll run Skyrim on high. It gets hot as hell, but it can do it. This shit about constant upgrades is false.

Roofstone:

meganmeave:
Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

This'd be the main reason I love my consoles. I don't need to buy new bits and bobs for it every year. Cause guess what? Parts are expensive. :)

...built my gaming rig in 2007, last time I put a part in it was 2008, and that was a storage hard drive. It still plays brand new games, albeit at medium settings. If you build a midrange gaming rig every 5 to 6 years, you keep up fine.

As for advantages consoles still have... there is the barrier to entry that is knowledge about the machine. Consoles still do the "plug in and just work" thing better than PCs, though that may not be for too much longer. In either case if you break it (the software, anyway), you can fix it yourself with a little know-how, or you can get soaked for a ridiculous repair bill if you know nothing about it.

Before I would have argued that consoles give me a simple guarantee of at least half a decade or so of gaming where I can play most of the modern games without needing to spare a thought on buying updates or juggling installs. While the security measures and such annoy me a little (I don't play online so I haven't had to do more than enter a product code on the Xbox for a game) it's the DLC that frustrates me now. Originally it seemed like it'd be a handy means of delivering hefty expansions for games that aren't necessarily ready for fully-blown sequels. Nowadays it's an excuse to sell us parts of our games. In a lot of cases it's not enough to buy a game at or near launch to own it in its entirety (Saints Row 3 for example), you have to buy the DLC for -all- of it. When I purchase a new game, I want to be able to access all aspects of its universe. I've really come to hate how parts of the story are held back from me in small but altogether costly DLC packs. It feels less like DLC allows for an eventual big expansion for each game and more like an annoying thief swiping parts of the story from me and then charging me to see them.

To preempt anyone, I understand that a lot of DLC is technically new and isn't necessarily developed as part of the 'core game', but it's my preference that the core game should be sold as a complete experience. I'd prefer it if companies expanded the core game in big and substantial DLC like DA:Awakening or Shivering Isles, where they're entirely new experiences and games in their own rights, not just small but pricy extras that make the core game feel like an incomplete experience. The Morrigan DLC in DA:O is an example of how annoying this can be. My character romanced Morrigan, so reaching closure with her would be an important part of my experience of the story. Instead of this being part of the 'core game', it was moved into a pricy, brief and essentially dull download. I had to pay money to access a tiny but important moment of the story (Not to say the moment was good either). Not buying it felt like holding myself back from finishing the game in its entirety. Now, I wouldn't be as annoyed if finding Morrigan was part of a fully fleshed out expansion that felt like its own game, but it wasn't. It was a small but important part of the story that could've been in the core game that I had to pay extra for. It's not simple, it's not convenient, it's not budget friendly and if you love experiencing game stories like I do (including their small details), it can be a real nightmare.

That being said, despite my many problems with consoles as long as they make couch co-op available so I can play with my partner and friends I'll likely be buying at least one every generation. My best gaming experiences are had that way and that's really something I'm not willing to give up.

Edit: To clarify I'm aware that PC gaming also has this problem. It's just that I miss not having to feel like I was missing out on small parts of the story because I don't want to pay for pricy DLC, a problem I never used to have with consoles.

UsefulPlayer 1:
Sure that's all true but to implement all those advantages you still have to be some sort of nerd to get it going. Consoles are still the easiest way to go. Give a ten year old all the necessary equipment to achieve what you described on the PC and they wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to hook up my PC to a TV, connect a controller to a PC, or handle all the computer specs stuff. All that is another barrier.

I don't know what's it like on the PS3, but besides online passes, the Xbox 360 is still very straight forward buy the game and you play when you get home. Yes, mods are the holy grail, but navigating the computer system is still way harder than an Xbox.

Xbox has a simpler set up and attract more of the general population. Sure PC is a step up, but you would have to level up yourself to get there.

PCs are great, but there is a reason why all my friends have Xbox Live. Like Weed is Xbox 360 and Cocaine is PC. You start with Weed first and graduate if you are really trying to reach the clouds.

To hook a PC up to the TV you put one end of the HDMI cord in the computer, and the other into the PC.
To hook a controller up to the PC, you put one end of the charger cord in the USB port on your computer, and one in the controller.

Calibanbutcher:
A shitstorm is coming.

I blew $300 on my Xbox....how the fuck is that not a good investment?

The reason I get a console is for simplicity in gaming, to simply pop in a game and play it on my couch. PC's don't allow the same thing a console does.

Can someone answer me one Question? What was that Hard Reset footage in the Video? I have played the game several times on various difficulties but the stuff in the video is completly unknown to me

thanatos388:
15000 dollars

15,000? Where are you buying your computers O.o

cornmancer:

UsefulPlayer 1:
Sure that's all true but to implement all those advantages you still have to be some sort of nerd to get it going. Consoles are still the easiest way to go. Give a ten year old all the necessary equipment to achieve what you described on the PC and they wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to hook up my PC to a TV, connect a controller to a PC, or handle all the computer specs stuff. All that is another barrier.

I don't know what's it like on the PS3, but besides online passes, the Xbox 360 is still very straight forward buy the game and you play when you get home. Yes, mods are the holy grail, but navigating the computer system is still way harder than an Xbox.

Xbox has a simpler set up and attract more of the general population. Sure PC is a step up, but you would have to level up yourself to get there.

PCs are great, but there is a reason why all my friends have Xbox Live. Like Weed is Xbox 360 and Cocaine is PC. You start with Weed first and graduate if you are really trying to reach the clouds.

To hook a PC up to the TV you put one end of the HDMI cord in the computer, and the other into the PC.
To hook a controller up to the PC, you put one end of the charger cord in the USB port on your computer, and one in the controller.

Thats not his point at all. His point is about accessibilty. Consoles allow the straight forward ability to play games first. PC's have gaming ability and then alot more which can be distracting when trying to advertise a game.

Yes mods are god-like, but I much prefer the quick and easy access of my Xbox than my PC.

cornmancer:

UsefulPlayer 1:
Sure that's all true but to implement all those advantages you still have to be some sort of nerd to get it going. Consoles are still the easiest way to go. Give a ten year old all the necessary equipment to achieve what you described on the PC and they wouldn't know where to start. I don't know how to hook up my PC to a TV, connect a controller to a PC, or handle all the computer specs stuff. All that is another barrier.

I don't know what's it like on the PS3, but besides online passes, the Xbox 360 is still very straight forward buy the game and you play when you get home. Yes, mods are the holy grail, but navigating the computer system is still way harder than an Xbox.

Xbox has a simpler set up and attract more of the general population. Sure PC is a step up, but you would have to level up yourself to get there.

PCs are great, but there is a reason why all my friends have Xbox Live. Like Weed is Xbox 360 and Cocaine is PC. You start with Weed first and graduate if you are really trying to reach the clouds.

To hook a PC up to the TV you put one end of the HDMI cord in the computer, and the other into the PC.
To hook a controller up to the PC, you put one end of the charger cord in the USB port on your computer, and one in the controller.

It isn't as cut and dry as you think for controllers. Xbox yes because of windows but to hook up my ps3 controller I had to download 2 different softwares and edit them.

I only have a few games on my 360 I play and some of them I also own on the N64 or they are xbox games what does that say about the use I am getting out of my 360? o.O

canadamus_prime:
Congratulations Mr. Sterling. You've just made a video stating essentially what I've stated ON THIS FORUM several times since 2009. The only difference is that you've got your own webshow that takes inspiration from MovieBob and everyone listens to you and nobody listens to me. ...ever.

SSSSSSSSSSSSHHHH! Jim is talking about the PC and console issue thingy. Now I read what you said but I already forgot what I read so I agree with your point. :)

See that was better than just saying "huh?"....right?

thesilentman:
but there is no way that consoles are going to be profitable

I'm sorry,

Halo
Gears of War
Metal Gear Solid
Mario
Pokemon
Metroid

and many many console exclusive games would like to speak with you.

I personally feel that consoles main bargaining chip is their exclusives. Franchises that people have come to know and love is what keeps people coming back, regardless of how terribad the strings attached to them are. I think it's a little brash to say consoles are "crappy PCs", but it's not far off the mark.

The only reason I even own any consoles is because of exclusives.

SonOfVoorhees:
PC gamers care more about graphics and physics than the actual game....these things are not important. Making the graphics better with a mod dont make the game better. The game is what it is, the story etc can not be changed. Each to their own i guess. Just buy the games you love to play and you will be fine.

'Cuz games like minecraft just blow everything else out of the water when it comes to pure graphical orgasmictude.

I dunno about this one. I have an Xbox and a full-fledged gaming PC and I still prefer the console due to the sheer simplicity.

Guess I disagree.

Oh well.

Playstation and Xbox aren't only about gaming anymore. Both Sony and MS are clearly trying to make them entertainment centers of the living room. This has been clear from the start of the gen and people do buy consoles now for other reasons than just gaming, just like people buy PCs for different purposes.

And I think it is a good direction.

GamerFromJump:
More accurate would be to say that a PC is an overpriced console with no guarantee of functionality. How much do you have to spend to make it so that you don't have to turn off features to make the game function? And then there's the DRM...

My PC was $700 when I got it 2 years ago, it plays everything I have ever cared to buy on high, which includes far more features than a console game ever could. I can also run multiple games at the same time so I can switch between two games quickly (in case I am playing a multiplayer game with lots of down time, for example) I can run skype so I can have free high quality voice chat, fraps so I can record game play footage, and Itunes if I don't like the music in the normal game. I can do all this and easily more at the same time and I have no slowdown.

It is true that $700 is significantly more than a console, but you are going to buy a computer anyway and that computer is going to be around $400 at the least. The real cost of a gaming pc, if you plan ahead even a little, is around $200-$300 and it has far more functionality than consoles ever could, a much more extensive library of games, cheaper games, mods, free to play games, and much better graphics.

I have never had more than a minor problem getting a game to work or issues with DRM. I guess I don't buy games from crappy companies?

I used to be primarily a console gamer, and I still own all the consoles of this generation. I just find that consoles are so much less convenient and entertaining. The PC just has better, cheaper games available and is easier to use.

Knowing that I can play the game whenever I want will keep me coming back to the consoles. As soon as the console go bye bye, I will get a Tablet to play games on.

Sorry, but I use the PC to conduct my business. I need to keep them separate in my mind. I will not play anything more complicated than Facebook games on a PC.

I really have no idea where people get this idea of constantly upgrading your computer to play the latest games. The last time I upgraded my computer was in 2006 and I can still run games at max (the only exception being battlefield 3 and crysis of course).

Emergent System:
The only reason I even own any consoles is because of exclusives.

SonOfVoorhees:
PC gamers care more about graphics and physics than the actual game....these things are not important. Making the graphics better with a mod dont make the game better. The game is what it is, the story etc can not be changed. Each to their own i guess. Just buy the games you love to play and you will be fine.

'Cuz games like minecraft just blow everything else out of the water when it comes to pure graphical orgasmictude.

First, He wasn't just talking about Graphics. Second, Minecraft is on Xbox too (YES I KNOW ITS NOT PC'D BUT AT LEAST ITS THERE)

There are times where I just like to sit down and enjoy the base game that the industry gave us. Consoles allow that option. PC's allow you to tweak it.

Even better, did anyone even think of MASS MARKET APPEAL?!? How would you like to see a commercial for say....Dead Space: Terrifying Nightmare Version and think "Oh wow, this will look fun on my xbox!" Then you find out that its available for PC only. Fair enough, you get it and find out your computer cannot handle the game since you have the same PC you've had since 2010. So now you bought a game you cannot use unless you spend more money to UPGRADE the PC.

Consoles allow flexibility. They allow the games that you buy to age well (Not graphically but in use). I still have my old N64 and sit down to enjoy Starfox 64 on there, I turn it on and there I am doing a barrel roll in less than 30 seconds.

2fish:

canadamus_prime:
Congratulations Mr. Sterling. You've just made a video stating essentially what I've stated ON THIS FORUM several times since 2009. The only difference is that you've got your own webshow that takes inspiration from MovieBob and everyone listens to you and nobody listens to me. ...ever.

SSSSSSSSSSSSHHHH! Jim is talking about the PC and console issue thingy. Now I read what you said but I already forgot what I read so I agree with your point. :)

See that was better than just saying "huh?"....right?

__ Oh yeah, much better. /sarcasm

malestrithe:
Knowing that I can play the game whenever I want will keep me coming back to the consoles. As soon as the console go bye bye, I will get a Tablet to play games on.

Sorry, but I use the PC to conduct my business. I need to keep them separate in my mind. I will not play anything more complicated than Facebook games on a PC.

...you could always use a laptop to conduct your business and a desktop to game, just keep those separate. Easy enough to keep a business machine with no games installed on it on the side. Also, you could use a more reliable OS than Windows on your business machine, unlike a gaming machine.

Well, in... erm... "developing" countries like Brazil it's impossible to have quality pc gaming because a good pc here costs almost 4 months salary for the average person. A console costs a bit less than one month so it's a lot more acessible, even though it's still freaking expensive.

I'm an exclusive PC gamer, and I can think of one think consoles have over PCs, and I'm very surprised Jim didn't mention it, considering his earlier videos on the topic.

Used games.

Many modern PC games are going to come with an activation code that you can use once or few times, or that you have to bind to a steam or b-net account, making them difficult or impossible to transfer ownership.

That being said, if used games isn't a priority for you then PC is the way to go. I've purchased so much junk off of Steam just for the convenience factor alone. With steam it downloads installed and playable. You don't even have to run a setup, when the last byte comes across the wire you can click play and off you go.

Anyone saying that they spend hours setting up video cards and whatnot are not speaking from recent experience, with a few rare exceptions, PC games in 2012 just work. The video, sound and input layers have been so standardized that your game doesn't care or even know what hardware or driver you're using in most cases.

Last time I bought a PC game at Game Stop the person habitually ask me if I wanted to buy disk insurance in case my disk got damaged. Umm no thanks, I'm going to bring this disk hope, use it once to install and then throw it in the garbage.

Thanks Jim, at last someone says what i think for years.

But, all the truth you told is worth nothing. Consoles will allways outsell Gaming PC's, because of the "Apple-problem".

Apple-Problem:
People who are to stupid to use a real PC use Apple products.
Because the gated system, without all the choices, possabilitys and needed knowledge are the playground of people who have no idea how to operate a IT product.

Isn't it ironic? Jim Sterling basically said the exact opposite of what MovieBob said in The Big Picture. :P

Then again, that's not all he said that was the exact opposite...

I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents as a gamer of both PC and consoles. First off I agree with Jim's assessment, consoles are starting to throw away its benefits that it had over the PC.

I'd like to put in my own personal experience to dispel the incorrect information people still hold onto from PC gaming.

1. constantly upgrading- This just isn't true anymore. Thanks to overly long console life-cycles, PC gaming rigs have become much more cost efficient over the past 5 years. I have my current gaming rig for 5 years and I can still play every PC game I own on high or ultra settings.

2. Need to constantly update, configure, and tweak to work- This is again another old myth of PC gaming that you constantly have to install a game, look for fixes, then you can play 30 mins later. I own over 160 games on steam and only 2 games required me to go and look for a fix (fallout 3 and Civ 5). This could also be due to the fact that I research my parts before I buy to make sure many people who are gamers don't have driver problems etc.

I'd also like to point out on PC you can fix a problem and do not have to wait weeks for a developer to fix it so you can have a corrupted save file and start over. My cousin and I both played Fallout 3 at the same time and we both ran into a glitched that crashed the game at the liberty tower. I fixed the problem in 5 mins by looking at steam forums and he had to wait for an update and start all over.

3. PC gaming costs to much- This is true in the short term sense but not the long term. I payed 800 bucks for my gaming rig 5 years ago and bought 20 AAA games for 5 bucks on steam sales and 33 AAA games for 10 bucks. My cousin has a xbox 360 for 299 and about 27 AAA games he bought at 60 bucks.

I paid around 1250 bucks for my rig and 53 AAA games (tax free)
My cousin paid around 1740 bucks for 33 AAA(not including tax) and if tax was included where i live which is 8.75 percent, his total would be around 1900 bucks. This also doesn't include the 60 bucks a year from xbox live he had to pay to play online.

So yes PC gaming is more expensive in the hardware but you save money over the years through software sales.

4. PC gamers only care about graphics- I am sure quite a few enjoy better graphics and who wouldn't for the same exact game on the consoles? What I prefer is the fluidity of PC gaming and load times.

Skyrim: a game both my cousin and I own (me PC, him console of course) has drastic experiences in gameplay due to our platform choice.

My game runs extremely fluid and load screens take 3-5 seconds.
My cousins game runs moderately fluid but his load screens can take up to 1-2 minutes.

His character has over 200 hours of gametime and I wonder how much of it is in load screens compared to mine.

Now I have every console of this generation and I still play them from time to time. However, the console market is starting to alienate me more with all the BS they are pouring on that is not just a simple plug and play.

That's what I've been saying too. Its funny cause I think that when consoles finally go all digital downloads, they will cease to exist. At that point there will literally be no reason to own a console since you can get a better service through steam. Exclusives will probably drop shortly after because they just won't be worth it. Imagine downloading God of War 3 on the shitty psn network. Kratos's right nipple alone will probably take you 5 minutes.

Plutar:

Jim Sterling:
Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

They were cheaper, easier to use, more convenient.

Last I checked, consoles were still cheaper than gaming PC's.

Not necessarily. This comp cost me $400 Canadian which while about 1.5x the cost of a ps3 or 360, it makes up for my having a lot more functionality and quite frankly if you look at the money I saved buying on steam vs console, I'd say they're about even. True that a top of the line gaming pc will cost you $800-$1000, but to compare a top of the line pc to a console is like comparing a new mercedes or bmw to an old ford. For reference I get console like graphics on this computer.

But getting a controller and TV to work with my PC (a laptop) is a pain in the ass, and I am obliged by price point to prioritize my PC's capabilities according to my work, not my leisure time. PCs need to be cheaper if they're going to replace consoles, so that I can - for the same price point - get one customized with the correct functionality. [Blah blah you can build one yourself for blah blah dollars, no. My time is worth money; exchanging one for the other doesn't really improve matters.]

None of this means that Jim's wrong. The time may be coming. But I'd say that for me, and many like me, the time is not here - yet.

A pretty good episode, one that feels like it poses no good solution though.

Getting a reasonably priced PC for gaming at the same time as the new console generation hits the market would have roughly the same life span as the other. PC will be ahead 4 or 5 years later, with console holding it back to an extent, but at the same time you'd have to sink in money on either an upgraded or entirely new PC. I have a medium grade 2010 laptop and it is by no means better at playing modern games than a 360. Not that it's bad, but I'll just use it for interesting PC exclusives and old games.

I think the best thing, I guess would be to hold off on consoles if you bought a recent PC, but if you're getting sick of your 2008 or 2009 piece of crap set-up and don't feel the need to upgrade a console could be the right choice.

Of course, I'm approaching this as someone with no money.

Okay, for the single hardcore gamer living in an apartment whose primary interest is gaming, then, yes, I can see how consoles are just "crap PCs". But really, is this anything new?

However, not being able to think of a "single reason" why one would want a console displays a failure of imagination. I've been gaming since I was playing games on Apple IIs in the late 70s; I was a PC/Mac gamer until the XBox came out; since then I've done most of my gaming on consoles. The issue with PC gaming is that, yes, you can ultimately make it do everything a console can do, you just have to do the work figuring how, finding out where to buy the stuff, then setting it up. Here are a few reasons:

==== Better Integration with Home Theatres ====

Consider all the stuff you'd have to do to a PC to get it to:

- be quiet, cool & small enough to fit in with the rest of your AV components & not be a big ugly box in your living room.

- have wireless controllers that also power it on & off wirelessly

- be able to launch your games without using a mouse or keyboard

- know that the games will actually play on your AV setup and be able to handle the "odd" resolution of 720p or consistently use the surround sound setup and not just revert to stereo. It's ironic you use footage for Legends of Grimrock, a game I recently bought & tried to play on my setup; it failed on startup with a directX error - I found (after googling & forum reading) that the problem was that it didn't like my projector as a monitor when running fullscreen - I had to edit the config file manually to get it to launch in windowed mode.

==== Getting online play to work ====

- I have to worry a lot less (or not at all) that my opponents in online games are using hacked clients or various cheats

- I don't need to worry about how to get voice features to work with the games, or getting my friends to use the same voice software as I do; granted, I haven't even looked into this, but the last time I did, there were several different systems out there, none of which were compatible. The point it, like all of this, it takes some effort.

- There are numerous apps that run on Android and iOS that will tell me who is online in my friends list, what they're playing & other notifications.

- Portability: I can take game disks over to a friend's house with the same system and I know the game will be playable; I can log in with my Live account on their machine, and now I have access to all my XBLA games.

==== Cost ====

- Consoles cost less to get the same experience that everyone else is having for that game

- I almost always end up playing games months or years after they launch, so I can get games cheaply on either platform, either from sales (PC) or discounts or buying used games (consoles). I haven't paid more than $20 for a game in years.

=============

Like I said, all of these things can be achieved if you want to take the effort, but it takes effort. To get all this from a console, I buy the console, plug in the wires, and I'm done. Patches are all automatically applied when they come out - I don't depend on the different mechanisms different publishers will choose to use. Granted, if all I ever did was play Steam games, I'd have a console-like experience, minus the compatibility guarantees.

For hardcore hobbiests, sure, of course you need a PC. But everyone else wants an appliance.

gphjr14:
If it wasn't for the cost of constantly upgrading the hardware I'd be more inclined to use my PC for gaming.

If you have to upgrade constantly, you're doing it wrong. I bought my PC for under 400 over 2 years ago and it still plays any game that I put on it at an adequate level of performance. The only part I've had to replace is the PSU, which broke.

meganmeave:
Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

Always compatible? Didn't Skyrim take weeks to actually work on the PS3? TF2 took god knows how long and I'm pretty sure it still doesn't play right or just got abandoned, Amy (360 game, I'm cheating I know) was about as poorly optimised as you can get, when I played Web of Shadows the game stalled and crashed at least 10 times when I was swinging through the city with no battle. Though I will give you that often times a PC game feels like a shitty port of a console game if it came out first on the console.

thanatos388:
Um...pcs are expensive and require upgrades to the pc itself to play new games. They are still a bigger hassle. That outweighs anything a pc can do as most gamers wont spend 15000 dollars to have higher definition graphics that add fuck all to the game itself.

An initial investment of 700 to 900 to play any game on the market at high graphical setting plus you have the ability to use it for thousands of other applications, then when an upgrade is needed sell the old part and get a new one thus making most upgrades less than $70. I've only had to upgrade my PC once to handle bigger games and that was in the end a $30 upgrade after I sold my old video card. Plus the fact that every game tends to be $10 cheaper from the word go and has much bigger steam discounts tends to help even out the overall cost of the game aspect of it.

Diegolomac:
Well, in... erm... "developing" countries like Brazil it's impossible to have quality pc gaming because a good pc here costs almost 4 months salary for the average person. A console costs a bit less than one month so it's a lot more acessible, even though it's still freaking expensive.

If this person works for minimum wage 15 hours a week, yes they would take 4 months to save up enough to buy a good PC.

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