Escapist Podcast: 055: Spy Games & Your "One" Game

055: Spy Games & Your "One" Game

This week, we discuss games about spies and what direction we'd like to see them go. We also talk about being frugal with your air conditioner, Bob Ross and The Food Network "chef pose".

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I'm with Susan about LA Noire and the "Grand Theft Auto elements". I'm at the point where driving in games is just grating to me (the only exception: Bully and Red Dead. But they have atypical modes of transportation. Plus, I really got attached to my horse in Red Dead Redemption). I hate it so much that it's really killed those kinds of games for me. I quit Mafia II really early, same for The Saboteur.

So I had my partner drive me everywhere in LA Noire. What sucks is that the game punishes you for this. There's a part where you have to drive to a bunch of landmarks in the city. You have to drive, not your partner. And if you haven't driven any in the game up to that point, you have no way to know where you're going. So in this part, I just drove aimlessly until I either happened upon the landmark or until a point (like after 10-15 minutes of driving) when Cole just "figures it out" on his own and the point is marked on your map. I hadn't found any of these landmarks, so I wasted about an hour and a half just driving aimlessly. I finished that part and then put the game away for about a month, when the burnout finally wore off.

Yeah, so I would love LA Noire so much more without those elements. Also, the dialogue system you guys suggested (go through each statement and then push them at the end) is pretty much Phoenix Wright. I think that would work better too.

Also...I'm a massive Alpha Protocol fan. I don't remember any bugs when I played it on the 360, but the minigames were pretty terrible. There is one that causes some major eye strain.

I love myself some "Tangent: The Podcast". It may be unstructured but that is it's charm. Honestly I find more "professional" podcasts boring.

Though this podcasts was particularly good. I don't even know what you were supposed to be talking about.

Remember when this was a gaming podcast? neither do I.

Still nice to listen to.

A Colm Meaney movie you need to watch if you love guilty-pleasure action films: Bad Apple. It stars Chris Noth (of Law and Order fame) as an undercover fed, Colm Meaney as his partner, Jim Gaffigan as their tech guy, and Elliott Gould as the mob boss.

For LA Noire, the three options are "Truth", "Doubt", and "Lie". The difference is just that "Lie" means you can disprove what they say, and "Doubt" means you can't. I think it took me until the Homicide division to fully grasp that, but once I did, I got a handle on it, and I was able overcome seeing it as a "gamey" mechanic most of the time. If you guys haven't played through the whole game, I highly recommend it, despite the length. (I spent just under 40 hours on it)

I was a huge Winback fan back when it first came out on N64. I even remember one magazine at the time of its original release doing an elaborate graph comparing its protagonist Jean-Luc and Solid Snake to determine who was the better secret agent (can we guess who the winner was?).

And just to correct the podcast, it was originally released on the N64 and was then ported the PS2 several years later. It even had a horrendously bad sequel.

i think besides alpha protocol, Deus Ex human revolution is a great example of what a good spy game should be like. It has stealth, action, and great dialogue trees.

Oh my, if you like the Olympics, then you must say what you thought about the inauguration, because I loved it, and the things like Rowan Atkinson and James Bond were really funny, and did anybody else think that Daniel Craig was looking at those corgis like they were secret agents too?
I don't know I rally liked it, and the torch was awesome, I'm sorry I just really wanted to say how much I liked it, but yeah the lack of Dr. Who disappointed me quite a lot, in fact I was telling my friend to look for Tardis, at least Voldemort was there, but now they really need to add Quidditch as a sport because of that, I also didn't see any Sherlock Holmes which I thought was odd.
Talking about odd exceptions, in the really amazing music bit, I was waiting for Elton John to show up and he never did.

Just occured to me - Susan, nothing but love and respect for you, but i was just wondering: is there anything that isn't "aMAAAAAAZING!!" to you?

also... i LOVE clavicals! me! right here! clavicals are my thing! i dunno if you could call it a fetish in that... i like ALL of a woman's body, but i absolutely see the attraction! and my theory behind common attractions to specific body parts is not so much the parts of body needed for reprduction (cuz let's face it, those are just the genitals) but the parts of the body that blatently seperate the sexes. i can only speak for men here, but breasts onviously, are one of the most obvious seperating features, and every man loves breasts. bums, i think it aludes to the wider hips of a woman. and clavicals? well for me it's because they're sort of the pinical of the entire declotage, shoulder neck area, which i think is important in recognising the smaller shoulders of a woman. i dunno. humans have a keen sense of vision and visual processing in the brain, so we can see the difference between the sexes in ANY part of the body by now, but that's my two cents on the matter.

Of what I saw of the Olympics opening tonight I liked the doves/cyclists the best, also how the big flame is made of a lot of small ones. I'm just sorry apparently I missed THE QUEEN in a surreal action movie spoof.


Action free detective games? Hmm, I'm afraid what you are looking for may be in the bargain bin of an Office Depot mixed in with a bunch of "Hidden Object" games. At least that's what I thought when it was brought up.
(and thanks to researching that, I now know that there was a point/click adventure game of Ace Ventura: Pet Detective)

A game soundtrack with voices spliced in? Check out Destroy All Humans! There's a remix of The Big Bopper's Chantilly Lace with help from Orthopox (AKA Invader Zim)

Never heard of Draw squad, but that did remind me of an awesome show from my youth: The Book Bird. (Why it's called that, I have no idea) The guy narrates a book (in this case Balto) to illustrations he drew/is drawing. You could say it's Reading Rainbow meets Bob Ross.

DustyDrB:
I'm with Susan about LA Noire and the "Grand Theft Auto elements". I'm at the point where driving in games is just grating to me (the only exception: Bully and Red Dead. But they have atypical modes of transportation. Plus, I really got attached to my horse in Red Dead Redemption). I hate it so much that it's really killed those kinds of games for me. I quit Mafia II really early, same for The Saboteur.

So I had my partner drive me everywhere in LA Noire. What sucks is that the game punishes you for this. There's a part where you have to drive to a bunch of landmarks in the city. You have to drive, not your partner. And if you haven't driven any in the game up to that point, you have no way to know where you're going. So in this part, I just drove aimlessly until I either happened upon the landmark or until a point (like after 10-15 minutes of driving) when Cole just "figures it out" on his own and the point is marked on your map. I hadn't found any of these landmarks, so I wasted about an hour and a half just driving aimlessly. I finished that part and then put the game away for about a month, when the burnout finally wore off.

Yeah, so I would love LA Noire so much more without those elements. Also, the dialogue system you guys suggested (go through each statement and then push them at the end) is pretty much Phoenix Wright. I think that would work better too.

Also...I'm a massive Alpha Protocol fan. I don't remember any bugs when I played it on the 360, but the minigames were pretty terrible. There is one that causes some major eye strain.

I drove every chance I got in LA Noire, and the mission to check out the landmarks was an absolute pain. The clues just didn't make any sense to me,the only one I didn't accidentally stumble across was the tar pits.

Couldn't care less about Olimpics
Never understood appeal of it
Bunch of people come together to showoff the genetic aptitude, money, newest achievements in pharmaceuticals and power of will.
I admit, power of will occasionally does matter, anything else is kinda boring and useless, for most part
Must agree with Gus Sorola (from Rooster Teeth): Unless sports have some practical application I'm not interested in them
Much more interest in Nobel prize

itchcrotch:
Just occured to me - Susan, nothing but love and respect for you, but i was just wondering: is there anything that isn't "aMAAAAAAZING!!" to you?

also... i LOVE clavicals! me! right here! clavicals are my thing! i dunno if you could call it a fetish in that... i like ALL of a woman's body, but i absolutely see the attraction! and my theory behind common attractions to specific body parts is not so much the parts of body needed for reprduction (cuz let's face it, those are just the genitals) but the parts of the body that blatently seperate the sexes. i can only speak for men here, but breasts onviously, are one of the most obvious seperating features, and every man loves breasts. bums, i think it aludes to the wider hips of a woman. and clavicals? well for me it's because they're sort of the pinical of the entire declotage, shoulder neck area, which i think is important in recognising the smaller shoulders of a woman. i dunno. humans have a keen sense of vision and visual processing in the brain, so we can see the difference between the sexes in ANY part of the body by now, but that's my two cents on the matter.

I don't really understand the question. There are plenty of things I don't like, as is pretty obvious if you listen to the podcasts regularly. If you simply mean I use the word too much, oh, well. I like it. I also refuse to use "awesome" ad nauseum, as others are wont to do.

Can anyone adequately articulate the personal experience of physical attraction and the compulsion behind it? Scientific or anecdotal, it's hallow words compared to FEELING. Rather than try to explain WHY, I'll simply state that various fetishes been with me as long as I can consciously recall and existed as a pre-pubsecent fixations exciting my imagination before they became manifest in my teenage desires and adult psycho sexual landscape. I expect, it's literally how my brain is wired. I expect that's as truthfully honest and complete an answer as you can get on the topic...

That said, I feel comforted that there's always someone weirder:

Just to chime in on the whole foot thing. I would never consider myself to be someone with a foot fetish but have no issues with them at all. I like my girlfriends feet not because I find them as something worthy of objectification but just because they are part of someone I have extremely fond feelings for. I, however, am constantly running into people who absolutely hate feet and visibly squirm at the mere thought of being touched by them regardless of who they belong to. I actually find these people more difficult to understand than someone who would have a fetish for feet.

Hey what was that game from e3 EVERYBODY flipped out over? Had "dogs" in the title? basically sounds exactly like their perfect spy game....

EDIT: "Watch Dogs" is what I was looking for!!! That looks pretty much exactly like what everyone wants.

Susan Arendt:

itchcrotch:
Just occured to me - Susan, nothing but love and respect for you, but i was just wondering: is there anything that isn't "aMAAAAAAZING!!" to you?

also... i LOVE clavicals! me! right here! clavicals are my thing! i dunno if you could call it a fetish in that... i like ALL of a woman's body, but i absolutely see the attraction! and my theory behind common attractions to specific body parts is not so much the parts of body needed for reprduction (cuz let's face it, those are just the genitals) but the parts of the body that blatently seperate the sexes. i can only speak for men here, but breasts onviously, are one of the most obvious seperating features, and every man loves breasts. bums, i think it aludes to the wider hips of a woman. and clavicals? well for me it's because they're sort of the pinical of the entire declotage, shoulder neck area, which i think is important in recognising the smaller shoulders of a woman. i dunno. humans have a keen sense of vision and visual processing in the brain, so we can see the difference between the sexes in ANY part of the body by now, but that's my two cents on the matter.

I don't really understand the question. There are plenty of things I don't like, as is pretty obvious if you listen to the podcasts regularly. If you simply mean I use the word too much, oh, well. I like it. I also refuse to use "awesome" ad nauseum, as others are wont to do.

nar nar, i just meant i hear you say it every podcast. it's kinda funny is all.
a friend and i were disgussing the other day how nothing is ever "fairly decent" or "pretty cool" anymore. if it's worth knowing about, it's INCREDIBLE!! or AMAZING!! or as you say: AWESOME!!
not that there's anything wrong with it, we were just musing on it;D

itchcrotch:

Susan Arendt:

itchcrotch:
Just occured to me - Susan, nothing but love and respect for you, but i was just wondering: is there anything that isn't "aMAAAAAAZING!!" to you?

also... i LOVE clavicals! me! right here! clavicals are my thing! i dunno if you could call it a fetish in that... i like ALL of a woman's body, but i absolutely see the attraction! and my theory behind common attractions to specific body parts is not so much the parts of body needed for reprduction (cuz let's face it, those are just the genitals) but the parts of the body that blatently seperate the sexes. i can only speak for men here, but breasts onviously, are one of the most obvious seperating features, and every man loves breasts. bums, i think it aludes to the wider hips of a woman. and clavicals? well for me it's because they're sort of the pinical of the entire declotage, shoulder neck area, which i think is important in recognising the smaller shoulders of a woman. i dunno. humans have a keen sense of vision and visual processing in the brain, so we can see the difference between the sexes in ANY part of the body by now, but that's my two cents on the matter.

I don't really understand the question. There are plenty of things I don't like, as is pretty obvious if you listen to the podcasts regularly. If you simply mean I use the word too much, oh, well. I like it. I also refuse to use "awesome" ad nauseum, as others are wont to do.

nar nar, i just meant i hear you say it every podcast. it's kinda funny is all.
a friend and i were disgussing the other day how nothing is ever "fairly decent" or "pretty cool" anymore. if it's worth knowing about, it's INCREDIBLE!! or AMAZING!! or as you say: AWESOME!!
not that there's anything wrong with it, we were just musing on it;D

I disagree with the assertion that my evaluation of things lacks nuance. I bring up things I'm passionate about and speak about them with enthusiasm. I don't simply vary between two polar extremes and I think it's utterly unfair to suggest I do.

Um...I heard about the whole focusing on a specific body part conversation and thought I'd just leave this here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/women-and-objectification_n_1701275.html It's basically just about how people are viewed by their parts.

Perhaps more thoughtful comments later >.>

Susan Arendt:

itchcrotch:

Susan Arendt:

I don't really understand the question. There are plenty of things I don't like, as is pretty obvious if you listen to the podcasts regularly. If you simply mean I use the word too much, oh, well. I like it. I also refuse to use "awesome" ad nauseum, as others are wont to do.

nar nar, i just meant i hear you say it every podcast. it's kinda funny is all.
a friend and i were disgussing the other day how nothing is ever "fairly decent" or "pretty cool" anymore. if it's worth knowing about, it's INCREDIBLE!! or AMAZING!! or as you say: AWESOME!!
not that there's anything wrong with it, we were just musing on it;D

I disagree with the assertion that my evaluation of things lacks nuance. I bring up things I'm passionate about and speak about them with enthusiasm. I don't simply vary between two polar extremes and I think it's utterly unfair to suggest I do.

apologies, i've offended you. i wasn't trying to accuse you of that. i'll... yeah, i'll go away now...

What was the break music used this episode?

itchcrotch:

Susan Arendt:

itchcrotch:

nar nar, i just meant i hear you say it every podcast. it's kinda funny is all.
a friend and i were disgussing the other day how nothing is ever "fairly decent" or "pretty cool" anymore. if it's worth knowing about, it's INCREDIBLE!! or AMAZING!! or as you say: AWESOME!!
not that there's anything wrong with it, we were just musing on it;D

I disagree with the assertion that my evaluation of things lacks nuance. I bring up things I'm passionate about and speak about them with enthusiasm. I don't simply vary between two polar extremes and I think it's utterly unfair to suggest I do.

apologies, i've offended you. i wasn't trying to accuse you of that. i'll... yeah, i'll go away now...

I noticed this also but in my opinion it's (omg she mention what she wants to be called I guess it was...) Ms. Arendts way to express her approval of something.

So in my case I'm the complete opposite. You could talk to me about my favorite game of all time and I would say: well... *sniff* yeah it's good.

You could get the impression that I'm not interested in anything but that is not true. Just keep in mind that it's hard to judge someones character from 1.5 hours of podcast a week.

But you have to admit that the Internet really forcing bipolar opinions especially with the like button from facebook. Either your like it or you don't there is no middle ground.

Happy posting!

Scyla:

itchcrotch:

Susan Arendt:

I disagree with the assertion that my evaluation of things lacks nuance. I bring up things I'm passionate about and speak about them with enthusiasm. I don't simply vary between two polar extremes and I think it's utterly unfair to suggest I do.

apologies, i've offended you. i wasn't trying to accuse you of that. i'll... yeah, i'll go away now...

I noticed this also but in my opinion it's (omg she mention what she wants to be called I guess it was...) Ms. Arendts way to express her approval of something.

You can always just go with "Susan", you know. :)

Susan Arendt:

Scyla:

itchcrotch:

apologies, i've offended you. i wasn't trying to accuse you of that. i'll... yeah, i'll go away now...

I noticed this also but in my opinion it's (omg she mention what she wants to be called I guess it was...) Ms. Arendts way to express her approval of something.

You can always just go with "Susan", you know. :)

It's just a simple case of confirmation bias. S/he only notices when you say something is awesome so it forms a pattern, but when you compare it to the amount of things you don't say are awesome, it's about even. You might also be one of the lucky few who are happy with the world.

The last comment also reminds me of how I would always refer to some of my seniors (academically, professionally, and socially) by mister/missus or doctor even though they said their first name was fine too as a sign of my endearing respect for him or her. It's only my peers and those younger than me that I refer to by only first name. But hey, maybe it's the whole Asian formality thing. Anyways, glad you're back in the podcat this week Susan.

Yeah, I don't like the Olympics either. They were fun the first couple of times I watched it then it got boring. I don't know why. Probably because it's just people who are really good at something, such as exercising, and they get rewarded for it.
Okay, can we make pro-gaming thing now? Officially?

And my game I'm pretty good at would be Gotham City Impostors. I'm a RPG lover. I love me some Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, etc. After that, I love platformers. FPS are not exactly my thing. But I don't know what it is about GCI. It's just awesome! I mean, I'm not perfect at it. But I usually end up between 1st to 3rd place.
A couple of years back, I used to be really good at FF8. I know that's not a thing. But I was able to understand how the combat worked, I leveled up everything, I got every item, every weapon, every sidequest, I knew what the game was gonna do before it even did it...I was just good! Sadly, I doubt I'm gonna do that again. I have a job now...

Susan Arendt:

*snip*

You can always just go with "Susan", you know. :)

Yes Ms. Arendt!

Beautiful End:
Yeah, I don't like the Olympics either. They were fun the first couple of times I watched it then it got boring. I don't know why. Probably because it's just people who are really good at something, such as exercising, and they get rewarded for it.
Okay, can we make pro-gaming thing now? Officially?

And my game I'm pretty good at would be Gotham City Impostors. I'm a RPG lover. I love me some Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, etc. After that, I love platformers. FPS are not exactly my thing. But I don't know what it is about GCI. It's just awesome! I mean, I'm not perfect at it. But I usually end up between 1st to 3rd place.
A couple of years back, I used to be really good at FF8. I know that's not a thing. But I was able to understand how the combat worked, I leveled up everything, I got every item, every weapon, every sidequest, I knew what the game was gonna do before it even did it...I was just good! Sadly, I doubt I'm gonna do that again. I have a job now...

And people shouldn't be applauded for being one of the best in the world at something?

So what is the ratio of video game talk to everything else on this episode?

Don't get me wrong, this is a fun episode, but what the hell?

Susan Arendt:

Beautiful End:
Yeah, I don't like the Olympics either. They were fun the first couple of times I watched it then it got boring. I don't know why. Probably because it's just people who are really good at something, such as exercising, and they get rewarded for it.
Okay, can we make pro-gaming thing now? Officially?

And my game I'm pretty good at would be Gotham City Impostors. I'm a RPG lover. I love me some Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, etc. After that, I love platformers. FPS are not exactly my thing. But I don't know what it is about GCI. It's just awesome! I mean, I'm not perfect at it. But I usually end up between 1st to 3rd place.
A couple of years back, I used to be really good at FF8. I know that's not a thing. But I was able to understand how the combat worked, I leveled up everything, I got every item, every weapon, every sidequest, I knew what the game was gonna do before it even did it...I was just good! Sadly, I doubt I'm gonna do that again. I have a job now...

And people shouldn't be applauded for being one of the best in the world at something?

Oh, yeah, they should! I mean, I can't even do a freakin' pull-up. That takes some merit. So that's cool for them. I'm just saying it just doesn't interest me at all anymore. Doesn't mean the olympics shouldn't exist or something. Every now and then when I find myself flipping through channels, I might watch the Olympics for a couple of minutes but that's about it.
I guess I'm just the kind of person who prefers to either watch that kind of stuff live or do it myself...if I could.

And that's why I'd like to see some videogame olympics. THAT I would be interested in watching. All day. Errday. But that's just me.

Waitaminnit... I was really looking forward to an update on Mike's situation with his upstairs neighbors. How did he survive Slenderman? Why do you guys only talk about it when Susan's away?

 

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