Can Americans Make Anime?

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The Deadpool:

Wado Rhyu:
i must say NO the can't and the reason is simple.

the shows that are described are cartoons marketed at ppl of the age of roughly 5 to 12.
where as the anime is marketed at students between the age of 15 to 25.

Ha ha ha... No.

Anime is still heavily geared towards "Tweens"... The Japanese (and large parts of the world) just have differing attitudes towards what level of violence and inuendo is acceptable for 12 year olds.

Seriously, you think shows like Dragon Ball Z and Girls Bravo are intended for mature audiences?

No. Do you think Elfen Lied or Cowboy Bebop are intended for little kids?

Anime in Japan is geared towards a fairly large group. Much larger than the cartoon range in the U.S.

I'm a major in Japanese language and culture.

So, here's my short answer: no.

Western people can copy anime. They can't, and they never will, make anime. End of story.

Anime isn't about the big eyes, the fancy hair, the crazy poses, or such. Anime is about culture. Not once in my life I saw a pseudo-anime made by Western people and was fooled into thinking it was really Japanese.

Which is ok, because if we really were able to make anime, we'd be Japanese.

Carlos Storm:

Chris O'Brien:
Can Americans Make Anime?

I've watched Avatar and Legend of Korra

Short answer: Yes

TRUE ANIME IS MADE IN JAPAN. Funimation which is an AMERICAN COMPANY that most of the time translate TRUE ANIME into english for an American audience. However they somehow got it into their head to make Mass Effect: Paragon Lost (movie) was a good idea to make well just watch the trailer to see if an american company can make a " decent " I'll wait.

Yep I know it sucked but you know why. It's not because it's based on a game it's because it's AMERICAN MADE two last example's.

Yep they both sucked too you know why ? IT'S AMERICAN MADE. We American's can COPY the style but not the CULTURE.

rhodo:
I'm a major in Japanese language and culture.

So, here's my short answer: no.

Western people can copy anime. They can't, and they never will, make anime. End of story.

Anime isn't about the big eyes, the fancy hair, the crazy poses, or such. Anime is about culture. Not once in my life I saw a pseudo-anime made by Western people and was fooled into thinking it was really Japanese.

Which is ok, because if we really were able to make anime, we'd be Japanese.

You see, this is the real problem. For what ever reason, people have fooled themselves that the need to make labels for different types of animation simply based on its origin. This I find is cultured backwards in every way. Do we name different type of animation because they are from Canada, France, China, America, ect... No, but when its from Japan, WE CALL IT ANIME.

Now I am ok with categorizing for the sake of categorizing, but what I mean its backwards are the the fans who some how feel simply that because it is from Japan, it is Superior and it can't do any wrong. Then watch episodes of Bleach. The type that watch in subtitles not because the dub did an awful job, since all dubs in their eyes are awful for not getting the "true meaning" of the two guys powering up and explaining why their moves failed. Note that most directors of anime would actually prefer you watch it as a dub because they never intended anyone to READ their movie. Lets not even get started that for all that culture talk, they know next to nothing about the actual culture of Japan.

As one anecdote I heard, "Critics like the movie until the found it it wasn't European.".

I thought we did try once. Exosquad. I thought it was the greatest cartoon I had ever watched when I was little. I still enjoy it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosquad

Anime can only be Japanese because you can't create an anime outside of Japanese culture or without Japanese language. It would just be wrong. It would never feel like anime to a person who watched anime before. You can only copy visuals and tropes, you can't make it feel like something Japanese without Japanese making it.
I have nothing against western countries copying anime, I don't want anyone calling it anime.

You see, this is the real problem. For what ever reason, people have fooled themselves that the need to make labels for different types of animation simply based on its origin. This I find is cultured backwards in every way. Do we name different type of animation because they are from Canada, France, China, America, ect... No, but when its from Japan, WE CALL IT ANIME.

This is not a problem. When its from Japan, it's called differently because it's in fact different from cartoons in all other countries. I can't tell if a cartoon is made in Canada or France but I can always tell if it's Japanese.

Now I am ok with categorizing for the sake of categorizing, but what I mean its backwards are the the fans who some how feel simply that because it is from Japan, it is Superior and it can't do any wrong. Then watch episodes of Bleach. The type that watch in subtitles not because the dub did an awful job, since all dubs in their eyes are awful for not getting the "true meaning" of the two guys powering up and explaining why their moves failed. Note that most directors of anime would actually prefer you watch it as a dub because they never intended anyone to READ their movie. Lets not even get started that for all that culture talk, they know next to nothing about the actual culture of Japan.

I would never watch an anime with dub. Because it just feels and sounds wrong in 95% of anime. Exceptions are rare, for example Cowboy Bebop.
Also, western voice actors just don't have right voices for anime if it's possible to make a dub that doesn't feel wrong at all.
And you know, when you are used to them, subtitles don't affect perception of a show at all. You just don't notice them.

Sp00n13:
I thought we did try once. Exosquad. I thought it was the greatest cartoon I had ever watched when I was little. I still enjoy it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exosquad

Love that series.

Wait, are you implying that series that attempted to do "mature and dark" themes are attempts to do anime.....

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Welp, I guess all comic books super heroes are just ripping off manga now. You too Pulp fictions, clearly you where ripping off the Japanese the entire time..... [/sarcasm]

There is so much I could rant about this point.... But I'm not going to go there. But I will say this when it come the the labeling of "ANIME". It has been called many thing over the years from " Foreign Cartoons" or just foreige to " J-anime , Japainimation, J-toons" and many more. Yet in the same way we don't refer to the early japanese animation work of Osamu Tezuka as american cartoons becuase he was heavily influenced by Wailt Disney "ANIME" influenced works are not representives of japan. Plus most "AMERICAN CARTOONS" are made in Canada or Korrea.

P.S. if you want to make your head spin on major liquor ragulation look up what it takes to be called a cognac.

Wesley Brannock:

Carlos Storm:

Chris O'Brien:
Can Americans Make Anime?

I've watched Avatar and Legend of Korra

Short answer: Yes

TRUE ANIME IS MADE IN JAPAN. Funimation which is an AMERICAN COMPANY that most of the time translate TRUE ANIME into english for an American audience....

Yep they both sucked too you know why ? IT'S AMERICAN MADE. We American's can COPY the style but not the CULTURE.

Animatrixs made by Japanese animation studios, Americans where copying anime, despite not making the film.

"Critics like the movie until the found it it wasn't European.".

You see this is what I mean, the complete amount of bullshit anime fans will fill themselves with in order to make anime "superior".

lockgar:
Animatrixs made by Japanese animation studios, Americans copied it, despite not making it.

"Critics like the movie until the found it it wasn't European.".

You see this is what I mean, the complete amount of bullshit anime fans will fill themselves with in order to make anime "superior".

Why do you think we care about it being superior? Originals will always be superior to copies, if Americans want to make something better, they should do what they do best, not copy someone.
We don't want anime-influenced cartoons to be called anime because they don't fit our definition of anime.

synobal:
Meh I don't think Anime is a label that should be strived for. In my opinion there is very little good anime.

YOU SIR are incorrect. There is a lot of good anime just a lot more bad anime.

Death Note
Code Geass
Fairy Tail
One Piece
Naruto
Naruto Shippuden
Bleach
GTO
Kenshin
World Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Black Lagoon
Baccano!
Etc. Etc.

lockgar:

You see, this is the real problem. For what ever reason, people have fooled themselves that the need to make labels for different types of animation simply based on its origin. This I find is cultured backwards in every way. Do we name different type of animation because they are from Canada, France, China, America, ect... No, but when its from Japan, WE CALL IT ANIME.

Now I am ok with categorizing for the sake of categorizing, but what I mean its backwards are the the fans who some how feel simply that because it is from Japan, it is Superior and it can't do any wrong. Then watch episodes of Bleach. The type that watch in subtitles not because the dub did an awful job, since all dubs in their eyes are awful for not getting the "true meaning" of the two guys powering up and explaining why their moves failed. Note that most directors of anime would actually prefer you watch it as a dub because they never intended anyone to READ their movie. Lets not even get started that for all that culture talk, they know next to nothing about the actual culture of Japan.

As one anecdote I heard, "Critics like the movie until the found it it wasn't European.".

You speak like a true otaku.

The_Critic:

synobal:
Meh I don't think Anime is a label that should be strived for. In my opinion there is very little good anime.

YOU SIR are incorrect. There is a lot of good anime just a lot more bad anime.

Death Note
Code Geass
Fairy Tail
One Piece
Naruto
Naruto Shippuden
Bleach
GTO
Kenshin
World Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Black Lagoon
Baccano!
Etc. Etc.

From your list I would only call good 3.5 out of 12 (Death Note counts as 0.5).
Please, don't post a list of what you like to prove your point.

lockgar:

Wesley Brannock:

Carlos Storm:

I've watched Avatar and Legend of Korra

Short answer: Yes

TRUE ANIME IS MADE IN JAPAN. Funimation which is an AMERICAN COMPANY that most of the time translate TRUE ANIME into english for an American audience....

Yep they both sucked too you know why ? IT'S AMERICAN MADE. We American's can COPY the style but not the CULTURE.

Animatrixs made by Japanese animation studios, Americans where copying anime, despite not making the film.

"Critics like the movie until the found it it wasn't European.".

You see this is what I mean, the complete amount of bullshit anime fans will fill themselves with in order to make anime "superior".

I'm not wrong the animatrix WAS MADE BY AMERICANS I've rented the dvd's and seen the BEHIND THE SCENES it was made by americans. I'm not feeling superior I'm just laughing at the notion that we can successfully copy anime and have it be well made. Yes Americans can copy it but only VERY VERY BADLY. I will not respond to any more childish retorts by of this caliber

>Can Americans Make Anime?
I am sorry if this sounded racist, but that is like asking the question can a pair of white europian couple give birth to an brown Indian baby? Let me give you a hint: the word starts with the letter "N" and there are only two letters in the word, and the word ends with the letter "O". Now please figure it out.

I definitely have to agree with the writer about the homogenization of anime. It can be such a pain trying to find a new series to start, when I can't find a source online or in bookstores that categorizes the material. Whenever I see a name I haven't heard before, I can't tell if I'm about to look into a shonen action series, a yaoi romance, an ultra violent horror series, or an embarrassingly sexualized ecci series, until I've at least read the first volume. It doesn't help that I don't know Japanese.

sageoftruth:
I definitely have to agree with the writer about the homogenization of anime. It can be such a pain trying to find a new series to start, when I can't find a source online or in bookstores that categorizes the material. Whenever I see a name I haven't heard before, I can't tell if I'm about to look into a shonen action series, a yaoi romance, an ultra violent horror series, or an embarrassingly sexualized ecci series, until I've at least read the first volume. It doesn't help that I don't know Japanese.

For me season lists and myanimelist top are enough to find new titles to watch. Although I agree that it's hard to find where to look for something to watch and where to download it on your own. I somehow managed though.

The_Critic:

YOU SIR are incorrect. There is a lot of good anime just a lot more bad anime.

Death Note
Code Geass
Fairy Tail
One Piece
Naruto
Naruto Shippuden
Bleach
GTO
Kenshin
World Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Black Lagoon
Baccano!
Etc. Etc.

Death Note is horrible, Code Geass is horrible.

One Piece, Fairy Tail, Naruto (which for some reason you listed twice, there is no difference between shippuden and the regular series), Bleach, Kenichi and Kenshin are all Shonen. They are pretty much all the same thing. One Piece gets points for execution.

Black Lagoon is all style and no substance.

And the last one you listed is Baccano! Which is pretty good.

You also forgot:

Mobile Suit Gundam
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Cowboy Bebop
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Eden of the East
Kids on the Slope
Memories
Tokyo Godfathers
Akira
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Paprika
The Girl who Leapt Through Time
Summer Wars
The Vision of Escaflowne
Birdy the Mighty: Decode
Patlabor 2

>posting lists and discussing tastes again
Please no.

Wesley Brannock:

I'm not wrong the animatrix WAS MADE BY AMERICANS I've rented the dvd's and seen the BEHIND THE SCENES it was made by americans. I'm not feeling superior I'm just laughing at the notion that we can successfully copy anime and have it be well made. Yes Americans can copy it but only VERY VERY BADLY. I will not respond to any more childish retorts by of this caliber

Correction: some of the shorts were made by Americans. Most of them were just PAID for by Americans, they let the studios do all the direction themselves. Some of the shorts in the Animatirix are actually pretty good too.

Dissentient:
>posting lists and discussing tastes again
Please no.

>trying to greentext
>this isn't 4chan

Please no.

The_Critic:

synobal:
Meh I don't think Anime is a label that should be strived for. In my opinion there is very little good anime.

YOU SIR are incorrect. There is a lot of good anime just a lot more bad anime.

Death Note
Code Geass
Fairy Tail
One Piece
Naruto
Naruto Shippuden
Bleach
GTO
Kenshin
World Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Black Lagoon
Baccano!
Etc. Etc.

Ya I wouldn't consider any of those good Anime. Then again it is very hard for me to like any sort of anime.

animehermit:

Dissentient:
>posting lists and discussing tastes again
Please no.

>trying to greentext
>this isn't 4chan

Please no.

Greentext isn't a sin unlike discussing tastes in anime-related discussion on non anime-related site.

synobal:

Ya I wouldn't consider any of those good Anime. Then again it is very hard for me to like any sort of anime.

You are not trying hard enough.

Dissentient:

Greentext isn't a sin unlike discussing tastes in anime-related discussion on non anime-related site.

I'm not the one who started it.

synobal:

The_Critic:

synobal:
Meh I don't think Anime is a label that should be strived for. In my opinion there is very little good anime.

YOU SIR are incorrect. There is a lot of good anime just a lot more bad anime.

Death Note
Code Geass
Fairy Tail
One Piece
Naruto
Naruto Shippuden
Bleach
GTO
Kenshin
World Strongest Disciple Kenichi
Black Lagoon
Baccano!
Etc. Etc.

Ya I wouldn't consider any of those good Anime. Then again it is very hard for me to like any sort of anime.

I have seen 131 different anime series, but I only watched 3 of these.

You must be pretty well-informed for someone who doesn't like anime, to be familiar with all of them.

Anyways, my top list:

Suzumiya Haruhi
FLCL
Death Note
Legend of the Galactic Heroes
Lovely Complex
Steins;Gate
Baccano
Spice and Wolf
Clannad
Rocket Girls
Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
Nazo no Kanojo X
Azumanga Daioh
Nichijou

Alterego-X:
Nazo no Kanojo X

I see what you did there.

Dissentient:

Alterego-X:
Nazo no Kanojo X

I see what you did there.

Well, it's not a public opinion list, but things that I like. Fuck the public. You might also notice Rocket Girls, and Lovely Complex on the list, that are also not generally recognized classics.

Alterego-X:

Well, it's not a public opinion list, but things that I like. Fuck the public. You might also notice Rocket Girls, and Lovely Complex on the list, that are also not generally recognized classics.

I don't care about public opinion on tastes, it's just that I can't imagine what was going on inside your head while you were watching it so that it made inside your top list.

Surprisingly, almost all of my favorites are in top 100.

Dissentient:

Alterego-X:

Well, it's not a public opinion list, but things that I like. Fuck the public. You might also notice Rocket Girls, and Lovely Complex on the list, that are also not generally recognized classics.

I don't care about public opinion on tastes, it's just that I can't imagine what was going on inside your head while you were watching it so that it made inside your top list.

It has an interesting take on abstinence and teenage relationships that's not all that common in anime, or anywhere else for that matter. Also, nice music.

Grimh:
Yeah I pretty much agree with you fully. Not much else I can say.

Also this

have that and its "not every opening" in one of my playlists .. its totaly true! xD

Tony2077:
Snip.

Let me say that you are indeed nitpicking. I was making a very broad statement AND YES, OF COURSE THERE ARE SHOWS THAT ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE. Christ, I knew that as soon as I made my original post, someone would jump on it...there are debates that you don't want to be a part of.

I already narrowed my "Topics To Avoid List" to: religion, MLP: Friendship is Magic, pedophilia and rape. I will add 'anime' to that list. In the meantime I will finish watching One Piece.

Wesley Brannock:

Carlos Storm:

Chris O'Brien:
Can Americans Make Anime?

I've watched Avatar and Legend of Korra

Short answer: Yes

TRUE ANIME IS MADE IN JAPAN. Funimation which is an AMERICAN COMPANY that most of the time translate TRUE ANIME into english for an American audience. However they somehow got it into their head to make Mass Effect: Paragon Lost (movie) was a good idea to make well just watch the trailer to see if an american company can make a " decent " I'll wait.
Yep I know it sucked but you know why. It's not because it's based on a game it's because it's AMERICAN MADE two last example's.

Yep they both sucked too you know why ? IT'S AMERICAN MADE. We American's can COPY the style but not the CULTURE.

What are you on about? The shows are bad because it's Americans copying the anime style? No, the shows are bad because they're bad. End of story. Americans can clearly emulate the anime style and create a quality product from it. Will it feel just like anime? Probably not. That has nothing to do with the show being GOOD.

NameIsRobertPaulson:

Anime in Japan is geared towards a fairly large group. Much larger than the cartoon range in the U.S.

Also not true. What audience is Futurama geared towards? Or what about the stuff on adult Swim? Or the adult jokes that were everywhere in Animaniacs?

And "geared to" one demographic doesn't mean enjoyed by an older or younger one, if My Little Pony is any indication.

The writer of this article had the definition right early on. The term "anime" refers only to animation created by a Japanese animation team, produced in Japan, and developed for a Japanese audience. It describes the work's geographic origin. You shouldn't be classifying Korra as part of the anime genre because "anime" itself isn't a genre.

Korra and Avatar aren't anime, because they weren't made by and for Japan. That does not make them bad shows and it doesn't lessen their legitimacy as great works of fiction. The shows certainly take a lot of inspiration from Japanese shows, in particular the Shonen genre in anime. Anime itself is not a genre, so even calling something a "western anime" or an "American anime" doesn't really work. Japanese animation has a wide variety of genres. You have westerns, sci-fi, horror, mystery, action, and even sports. "Anime" is simply a term to use to identify it's country of origin.

The way I see it, a good show or movie is a good show or movie. It doesn't matter what country it came from or what art style it uses. I enjoy shows like Avatar and Korra just as much as I enjoy Full Metal Alchemist, Cowboy Bebop, and FLCL. We don't need to validate shows by saying that they are "Western-anime", and therefore somehow better than other western animation. The shows should be judged by their own merits or lack there of. At least that's my opinion.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
No. Do you think Elfen Lied or Cowboy Bebop are intended for little kids?

Cowboy BeBop was actually not that popular in Japan... And besides, adult cartoons exists on BOTH cultures. By and large, cartoons are still made for kids. One Piece, Bleach, Naruto... three biggest anime? All kids cartoons.

Which is amusing, since the most popular cartoons in America are the Simpsons, Family Guy and South Park, neither of which have really been geared at kids in a while (South Park used to be, but not so much now), and yet anime are somehow known as "more mature".

No medium is childish or mature. For every Citizen Kaine there's an Air Bud. For every Pride and Prejudice there's a HI! Fly Guy! It's silly to denounce a whole medium as adult or childish.

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