Neon Genesis Evangelion

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Ickorus:

If my Dad gave me a giant robot and three super hot chicks to live with he could get away with just about anything.

I seconded that notion.

Only thing Shinji Ikari needs is Noah Bright (from MS Gundam) to "Bright Bitch slap" the emo out of him. Alternatively Kamina from Gurren Lagann with his Motivational fist would work as well.

Hadn't thought about it like this. Though in actual context he is way worse.

Well, when you pull out all the context and completely fail to understand or just outright ignore what was really going on with ANYTHING in the series, I'd agree with your caption statement. Otherwise, I LoL'ed.

rayen020:
i look forward to evangelion fans meticulously listing every bad thing Gendo's Dad did.

No need - the comic did it just fine. :p

Piloting a Giant Robot - awesome.
Piloting a giant Thing that causes the pilot to feel all the damage that it takes as if it was happening to the pilot's own body - horrible.

Also, Shinji's main issue is being scared of relationships... so three hot women, while awesome to the well adjusted soul, is also rather scary to Shinji himself.

Someone else pointed out that Japanese men are socially inhibited about pretty women - this is also true. So much so that it seems to be affecting the population of Japan. Badly.

I love the mechanical design in EVA.
And seeing the work WETA would've done for the live action version, makes me sad it did'nt come to be.
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/neon_genesis_evangelion_concept_art_from_weta

The EVA's are the only reason this series deserves to be mentioned.
Well....and Gendo is pretty epic though...
But the thing that always bugged me was the so called "hotness" of Asuka and Rei.
They are 14 years old.....o_o

Capitano Segnaposto:

ShaqLevick:
Oh my god, exactly! I didn't get it either... That kid was just so ungrateful I stopped watching!

You think that is bad? In one of the movies he fapped to the unconcious redhead right next to her.

It was fuckin' disgusting and the main reason I stopped watching any animes (except for Death Note/FMA).

.. . .. What?

Which movie did he do, that in?? The anime usually symbolized things but this ... seriously what?

Caramel Frappe:

Capitano Segnaposto:

ShaqLevick:
Oh my god, exactly! I didn't get it either... That kid was just so ungrateful I stopped watching!

You think that is bad? In one of the movies he fapped to the unconcious redhead right next to her.

It was fuckin' disgusting and the main reason I stopped watching any animes (except for Death Note/FMA).

.. . .. What?

Which movie did he do, that in?? The anime usually symbolized things but this ... seriously what?

End of Evangelion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Q0ClKn08vU

Fuck you son, I want you to fight world shattering monsters in your mom's corpse. This undersexed woman is going to misinterpret all of your issues while your only friends beat up an berate you. Also there's this creepy chick who will mess with your trust. This isn't even close to the shit you'll be experiencing in the second cour.

Go for Rei. They order her in bulk :3

Lol, Grey is obviously making a joke. NGE is tons deeper than this and rife with multiple symbols/themes.

In other news, this anime is not for everyone. Some people will 'get it' and others won't. It's a matter of personal preference really; I'm pretty sure Anno knew what he was getting into before he went there.

rayen020:
i look forward to evangelion fans meticulously listing every bad thing Gendo's Dad did.

Also still want a giant robot.

/cough like gendo being the dad and shinji is the son /cough

or that the robot is hooked up to your Nervous system so when it takes damage you feel pain.

Or that both of the hotties you're living with are attracted to the same person who happens to be a spy and is banging you're somewhat mentally damaged (I mean emotionally) guardian. Or that the "hottie" red head is also batshit crazy and wants to murder/fuck everyone.

Or the submissive hottie is actually a clone of your mother so they look alike.

Yeah i'd take that deal. Mentally damaged people are fun to watch.

Gendo is still a prick because he forgot to mention that all of those hot chicks are crazy, in one way or another.

Meh... everyone else has listed all of the downsides of being in the Evangelion-verse, so I'll restrain myself here. Besides, I think it's pretty clear that the comic is meant as a light-hearted poke at the source material, not a genuine criticism.

What I will say is that the reason Evangelion seems to go over a lot of people's heads (including a lot of people in this thread) is that it isn't a mecha show. It's a deconstruction of mecha shows. Complaining about how grim and depressing it is, is like complaining about how violent and nihilistic Watchmen is, or how empty and superficial The Great Gatsby is. Neon Genesis took the tropes that made shows like Gundam popular, and turned them on their head. Why would you need children to pilot giant war robots, over professionally trained military personnel? What would be the psychological ramifications of forcing children to fight for you? Is it really that different from warlords using child soldiers in Africa? How would people deal with the impending apocalypse from an extraterrestrial, god-like threat?

In particular, I've never understood all the bashing that Shinji gets. He is a fourteen year old boy, pretty much forced into circumstances beyond his control, where he is quite literally all that stands between humanity and outright extinction. He's spent his entire life devoid of any parental love or affection, he lives and works with an entire company of dysfunctional neurotics, his own father sees him as nothing more than a pawn to be used and discarded, and he is regularly forced into situations where he is called upon to kill or take out his own friends.

I would not want to meet the person who can get through all that a well adjusted individual. That would be more than any adult could handle. To expect a fourteen year old boy to go through all that with an upbeat smile and a can-do attitude is to miss what Evangelion was about in the first place.

Eric the Orange:
I like big red haired guy with no name. Ima call him fatty red head.

We could call him Neckbeard Orangutang

It's weird that evil fathers seem to be always the ones that give their sons everything. Like Lionel Luthor.

My Dad was the nicest guy in the world to everyone and looked like Pierce Brosnan but at home he turned into Jack Nicholson in The Shining. I didn't own a giant freezer unfortunately. I would take giant robots and hot roomates over that any day.

Marik Bentusi:
Yeah, that's Evangelion if you leave out

aaaall the character relationships, personalities and psychological issues.

Just those little things, y'know. That little "Deconstruction" thing the show had going on.

14 year olds aren't known for being filled with existential angst. That's more of a late late teens/early twenties thing.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Meh... everyone else has listed all of the downsides of being in the Evangelion-verse, so I'll restrain myself here. Besides, I think it's pretty clear that the comic is meant as a light-hearted poke at the source material, not a genuine criticism.

What I will say is that the reason Evangelion seems to go over a lot of people's heads (including a lot of people in this thread) is that it isn't a mecha show. It's a deconstruction of mecha shows. Complaining about how grim and depressing it is, is like complaining about how violent and nihilistic Watchmen is, or how empty and superficial The Great Gatsby is. Neon Genesis took the tropes that made shows like Gundam popular, and turned them on their head. Why would you need children to pilot giant war robots, over professionally trained military personnel? What would be the psychological ramifications of forcing children to fight for you? Is it really that different from warlords using child soldiers in Africa? How would people deal with the impending apocalypse from an extraterrestrial, god-like threat?

In particular, I've never understood all the bashing that Shinji gets. He is a fourteen year old boy, pretty much forced into circumstances beyond his control, where he is quite literally all that stands between humanity and outright extinction. He's spent his entire life devoid of any parental love or affection, he lives and works with an entire company of dysfunctional neurotics, his own father sees him as nothing more than a pawn to be used and discarded, and he is regularly forced into situations where he is called upon to kill or take out his own friends.

I would not want to meet the person who can get through all that a well adjusted individual. That would be more than any adult could handle. To expect a fourteen year old boy to go through all that with an upbeat smile and a can-do attitude is to miss what Evangelion was about in the first place.

The problem with the protagonist isn't that he isn't sympathetic, it's that he isn't portrayed as someone you can feel sympathetic for. He just whines...All the God damn time! But really my problem with Evangelion wasn't so much the protagonist, it was more to do with the near complete lack of grounding and the slow as molasses pacing.

Devoneaux:

The problem with the protagonist isn't that he isn't sympathetic, it's that he isn't portrayed as someone you can feel sympathetic for. He just whines...All the God damn time! But really my problem with Evangelion wasn't so much the protagonist, it was more to do with the near complete lack of grounding and the slow as molasses pacing.

Once again: he is fourteen years old. He is still a child. If he whines at all (though personally I find the claims of Shinji's constant whining to be somewhat exaggerated), it's because it is literally the only option he has. He has been forced into a Catch-22 situation where he literally has to continually risk his life fighting godlike beings, because if he doesn't, then humanity is toast. If he runs away, humanity is toast. If he tries to challenge the organisation forcing him to fight, humanity is toast. If he ever gives anything less than his all, humanity is toast. He is still a child, so he is legally unable to look after himself, or make his own choices in the matter. He cannot just run away and start a new life in Mexico.

Neon Genesis doesn't just place Shinji over a barrel. It chains him over it, fills it full of gasoline, then throws in a lighted match.

The reason Shinji complains is because it is literally the only outlet he has to vent his problems. His entire life has been a complete catastrophe, and there is nothing he can do about it except complain. If he does anything else, that's the entire planet doomed. There is nothing productive he can do except whine, and go out and fight Angels. Fight which, lest we forget, repeatedly place his life at risk, and cause him huge physical and psychological harm.

If you can't sympathise with that at least a little, then I wonder just how fucked up a character has to be before they earn your empathy.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Devoneaux:

The problem with the protagonist isn't that he isn't sympathetic, it's that he isn't portrayed as someone you can feel sympathetic for. He just whines...All the God damn time! But really my problem with Evangelion wasn't so much the protagonist, it was more to do with the near complete lack of grounding and the slow as molasses pacing.

Once again: he is fourteen years old. He is still a child. If he whines at all (though personally I find the claims of Shinji's constant whining to be somewhat exaggerated), it's because it is literally the only option he has. He has been forced into a Catch-22 situation where he literally has to continually risk his life fighting godlike beings, because if he doesn't, then humanity is toast. If he runs away, humanity is toast. If he tries to challenge the organisation forcing him to fight, humanity is toast. If he ever gives anything less than his all, humanity is toast. He is still a child, so he is legally unable to look after himself, or make his own choices in the matter. He cannot just run away and start a new life in Mexico.

Neon Genesis doesn't just place Shinji over a barrel. It chains him over it, fills it full of gasoline, then throws in a lighted match.

The reason Shinji complains is because it is literally the only outlet he has to vent his problems. His entire life has been a complete catastrophe, and there is nothing he can do about it except complain. If he does anything else, that's the entire planet doomed. There is nothing productive he can do except whine, and go out and fight Angels. Fight which, lest we forget, repeatedly place his life at risk, and cause him huge physical and psychological harm.

If you can't sympathise with that at least a little, then I wonder just how fucked up a character has to be before they earn your empathy.

You'll have to excuse me if watching a teenager whine isn't entertaining to me in the slightest. Especially when he doesn't even really have much of an arc. He's the same whiny cumstain at the end that he was at the beginning. But again, that really is a minor problem to me, the real reasons I dislike it have more to due with the pacing and overall lack of connection to reality that throws me off of it. It's basically the same reason I liked the first season of Bleach and then wanted to put a bullet through my temple during the second.

You know where none of this matters and Shinji is a total badass?

Rebuild.

Everybody watch Rebuild. You will be amazed by what several million dollars and Hideaki Anno getting a consistent flow of anti-depressants and marital sex does to this show's psychology.

K84:
I love the mechanical design in EVA.
And seeing the work WETA would've done for the live action version, makes me sad it did'nt come to be.
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/neon_genesis_evangelion_concept_art_from_weta

The EVA's are the only reason this series deserves to be mentioned.
Well....and Gendo is pretty epic though...
But the thing that always bugged me was the so called "hotness" of Asuka and Rei.
They are 14 years old.....o_o

In anime, age is just a number and nothing more.

Example: This is Komoe Tsukuyomi from To Aru Majutsu no Index:

She's 23~ years old. No, there was no time travel or super power thing going on there. She's just like that naturally.

Ha that is an awesome comic, I never thought of it like that.

Kopikatsu:

K84:
I love the mechanical design in EVA.
And seeing the work WETA would've done for the live action version, makes me sad it did'nt come to be.
http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/neon_genesis_evangelion_concept_art_from_weta

The EVA's are the only reason this series deserves to be mentioned.
Well....and Gendo is pretty epic though...
But the thing that always bugged me was the so called "hotness" of Asuka and Rei.
They are 14 years old.....o_o

In anime, age is just a number and nothing more.

Example: This is Komoe Tsukuyomi from To Aru Majutsu no Index:

She's 23~ years old. No, there was no time travel or super power thing going on there. She's just like that naturally.

No she's like that do to a scientific procedure that stopped her physical aging at that of a kid. Science, not anime mumbo jumbo.

NuclearShadow:
Never watched the cartoon but the kid seems to need a nice slap along side the head. In-fact no forget that little bastard, a father should have a son worthy of being proud of. If I was in the fathers shoes I would just have another son one worthy of such spoils.

I think Shinji got "dumped" in the series after the Dummy Plug was completed
OT
Yes Shinji was a bit ungrateful during the show's run but he got allot more likeable in 2.2

Today's strip was a nice break from the gaming jokes, because ripping in NGE never gets old. Poor Shinji, if only he knew the dark secrets of all the supposedly-awesome women & mechs Gendo is offering him. Or maybe Shinji read ahead on Wikipedia and knows what he's in for!

On a related note, did any of you guys watch the fan-dubbed movie EVANGELION: REDEATH?

Kopikatsu:

K84:

But the thing that always bugged me was the so called "hotness" of Asuka and Rei.
They are 14 years old.....o_o

In anime, age is just a number and nothing more.

Example: This is Komoe Tsukuyomi from To Aru Majutsu no Index:

She's 23~ years old. No, there was no time travel or super power thing going on there. She's just like that naturally.

Komoe Tsukuyomi from To Aru Majutsu no Index......
I am, again, reminded, why, due to Moe-type BS like this, i started to dislike Anime...
But truthfully, i see your point.

Yet......this is a 23 year old that looks like a....disturbing little boyish girl.

Rei and Asuka are 14.
Now, Anime might say ages are nothing but numbers.
Common sense says 14 years = WRONG TO FAP TO.

But then again, in this day and age, common sense might be wibbly wobbly timey wimey...stuff..
I dunno, it always bothered me that there's this sexual theme in NGE, while most characters are around the 14 year area.
Must be old-fashioned, but i think it's wrong.

Scrumpmonkey:
Its simple. Kill the Batman After watching numerous 'deep' Animes (Tenchi Muyo won't man up either) i have come to the conclusion that Japanese males in Anime just don't like women. Like at all. They also whine about it. ALL the time.

In the west we call this the "Shut up and fuck her in the ass" hypothesis.

Wait, someone, somewhere, considered Tenchi Muyo 'deep'? Half the time the story pulls random things out of its ass and then tries to come up with an excuse to make it work.

Now don't get me wrong, I think it's a great series, but it's about as deep as a puddle.

Son: When I look at those women, I get a strange feeling. In my pants. Could it be ... hate?

Gendo: Wow. OK, son, we're way way way overdue for a talk.

Gendo looks at his watch.

Gendo: But I have a meeting in five minutes, so I'll make Ritsuko give you the talk instead.

Son: Dr. Akagi knows about the strange feeling in a boy's pants?

Gendo (trying and failing to hide a smile): Yes. Yes she does.

Yes Shinji take your pick, pedophilia, incest or domestic abuse.

Shinji is basically, no literally, a child soldier. I can easily see why he wouldn't want to pilot Eva.

It's like going to a child soldier in Africa and saying "How could you possibly hate your life? You get to play with cool guns and hang around all these normal, not completely psychopathic people. Really, you should love the guy that forced you in this position."

See what I mean? It's not like he's playing with a toy, he's fighting eldritch horrors that can easily kill him and everyone he knows. Rei is cold to him, Asuka is a bitch to him, and Misato doesn't understand him in the slightest.

And even with all that, he still is able to pull through and pilot the Eva.

This isn't an attack on the comic, mind you. I actually quite liked it. It's just that there are so many people complaining that Shinji is "a whiny emo kid". If your deadbeat father called you up, and the only reason was so that he could use you as a child soldier in the war, I don't think you'd be happy either. Shinji's got nothing to live for, yet he fights anyways.

Darth_Payn:

On a related note, did any of you guys watch the fan-dubbed movie EVANGELION: REDEATH?

It is the greatest non-pornographic Evangelion related fanwork I've ever seen, which places it at around 30th overall.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
Meh... everyone else has listed all of the downsides of being in the Evangelion-verse, so I'll restrain myself here. Besides, I think it's pretty clear that the comic is meant as a light-hearted poke at the source material, not a genuine criticism.

What I will say is that the reason Evangelion seems to go over a lot of people's heads (including a lot of people in this thread) is that it isn't a mecha show. It's a deconstruction of mecha shows. Complaining about how grim and depressing it is, is like complaining about how violent and nihilistic Watchmen is, or how empty and superficial The Great Gatsby is. Neon Genesis took the tropes that made shows like Gundam popular, and turned them on their head. Why would you need children to pilot giant war robots, over professionally trained military personnel? What would be the psychological ramifications of forcing children to fight for you? Is it really that different from warlords using child soldiers in Africa? How would people deal with the impending apocalypse from an extraterrestrial, god-like threat?

In particular, I've never understood all the bashing that Shinji gets. He is a fourteen year old boy, pretty much forced into circumstances beyond his control, where he is quite literally all that stands between humanity and outright extinction. He's spent his entire life devoid of any parental love or affection, he lives and works with an entire company of dysfunctional neurotics, his own father sees him as nothing more than a pawn to be used and discarded, and he is regularly forced into situations where he is called upon to kill or take out his own friends.

I would not want to meet the person who can get through all that a well adjusted individual. That would be more than any adult could handle. To expect a fourteen year old boy to go through all that with an upbeat smile and a can-do attitude is to miss what Evangelion was about in the first place.

Pretty much this whole thing. I'll add that I identified with him pretty easily when I first watched the show (at around 14, no less). As for the scene that has half of the thread shaking their heads in disgust, it's mainly there to show just how utterly f***ed up his head is by that point.

"By the way the endings are all bullshit, don't pretend that you understood the ending."

I might as well post the entire video...

TheTygre:
You know where none of this matters and Shinji is a total badass?

Rebuild.

Everybody watch Rebuild. You will be amazed by what several million dollars and Hideaki Anno getting a consistent flow of anti-depressants and marital sex does to this show's psychology.

I actually don't like the story of Rebuild too much. It's basically the original run of Evangelion but with significantly less character development.

The action though. Oh man, the action. They drew the angels in full 3D CGI for the action scenes, and it is beautiful.

And the ending of 2 really got me hyped for 3.

Dear god, I never realized other NGE fans were so funny.

All I will say is Giant Robot + Hot Chicks = Dad gets free pass to be distant and a dick.

Grey Carter:
Dear god, I never realized other NGE fans were so funny.

I agree, the fans are hilarious. You on the other hand...

Oh, I'm just kidding. You're vastly better than some of the other stuff Escapist has put out. I still remember Game Dogs. Ugh.

Behold, a fanfic with an appreciative Shinji http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3371159/1/Chicks_Dig_Giant_Robots

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