Jimquisition: Why Boycotts Fail Where Whining Tantrums Win

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Why Boycotts Fail Where Whining Tantrums Win

Continuing on from the argument that one can love games as art but hate them as a business, Jimquisition this week focuses on how gamers can best express their distaste for the latter while still supporting the former.

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All I got from this Video was... "Man... I need to play War from Cybertron again"

I'm gonna post this video on every forum I know when the need arises.
Thank god for Jim.

Did anyone else think this was gunna be about Chick-fil-a?

What does a Corvette Stingray and a disgruntled gamer have in common?
They're both Bitchin!

Has there ever been a VG boycott that worked, like, ever? I still go back to the old L4D2 threads just to have a laugh at the "boycotters" who have L4D2 on their steam profiles.

Very good episode jim. I can't wait to see the 3rd part of this trilogy.

Where does not buying Mass Effect 3 fall in the case of not wanting to buy it somewhere other than Steam?

So get mad to get even.

GAunderrated:
Very good episode jim. I can't wait to see the 3rd part of this trilogy.

It was going to be a three-parter, but I bundled two and three together because it seemed needlessly extravagant to dedicate one video to each. So, that's in on this subject for now, though I'm sure I can extrapolate on it more in future.

Great. I can see this being used to justify a dozen meaningless, petty, self-indulgent whine-fests, until we get a situation much like boycott overuse.

Ho well, I'm sure people will find a way to tell people when they're being stupid somehow.

CAPTCHA: hard cheese.
hmmmm....maybe that question answered itself.

Peter Chordash:
Where does not buying Mass Effect 3 fall in the case of not wanting to buy it somewhere other than Steam?

It falls under the "Do what you will" clause invoked at the end. By all means do not buy it. I don't think anything's going to stop EA from forcing Origin on the world, but while you might not change EA's business plans, you WILL have a life free from Origin, which might be its own reward.

So any ideas on telling Capcom that I want AAI2 and MML3?

Should I make death threats, demand donations back and attack people who don't know what were talking about?

There's a great line fro "Going Postal" by Terry Pratchett that is rather apposite:
"When banks fail, it is seldom the bankers who starve."
I know the world of business well enough that when a product or service does well it's because of those clever people in head office, but if things go tits up, it's the floor level employees for not pulling their weight.

So... who's up for throwing the biggest damn tantrum in the world to get Crytek to make a new Timesplitters game?

Or to make Lucasarts make Battlefront 3?

Because I'd be down for that.

Jimothy Sterling:
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Great episode Jim! One of your best yet, Bravo sir, bravo!

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Dangit2019:
Has there ever been a VG boycott that worked, like, ever? I still go back to the old L4D2 threads just to have a laugh at the "boycotters" who have L4D2 on their steam profiles.

For me the big lol boycott was the MASSIVE "Boycott MW2" group on Steam; day one, roughly half of them were playing. And you know, I think that's the biggest part of where the whole "Quit whining, you know you'll buy it anyway" thing came from anyway. We all have this image of people proclaiming that they're going to boycott a game, yet when the chips are down, they're standing in line outside of Gamestop for the midnight release.

Speaking of, while I can agree with Jim's points about boycotts not being effective in the gaming industry, I'm still going to stand by my boycott of Gamestop. After-all, I can still get my games from plenty of other sources; which I think makes a point for WHY boycotting a game doesn't work. I can't buy the EA-published version of Transformers: War for Cybertron to send the message that I hate Activision; and like Jim said, if people just don't buy the game, then Activision (and other companies) will just take that as a message that it isn't the kind of game we want. Meanwhile, the MASSIVE horde of people who aren't really aware of the greater picture in the gaming world (I'm reluctant to call them "casual" gamers, because there's too much inconsistency with what the term actually means) will continue to snatch-up the latest Call of Duty, sending the message that that IS the kind of game we want; because it's what's selling.

In short, our boycotts tend to get silenced by the fact that not everyone who buys games knows, or even gives a shit, about which publishers are good and bad. And by "not everyone", I mean "the majority of people who buy video games".

While I can agree on the complaining, how the complaints are presented is important. Well presented concerns serve so much better premise than "[insert object] is in the game now? RUINED FOREVER!!!!111eleventyone11!!!" To use Mass Effect 3 as an example again, it wasn't the "ruined forever" crybabies, or the threats to sue over the ending (which was stupidly over the top) that forced their hand. It was well worded complaints at how the ending was problematic for the game and subsequently the business (people won't buy DLC for a game they don't like after all) reaching Forbes writer's ears that caused it, as such publications just as easily dismiss petulant whining and empty legal threats just as handily as developers and publishers.

So yes, complain to get things change, but complain the right way or risk your complaints to be shoved into the round filing cabinet.

Jimothy Sterling:

Peter Chordash:
Where does not buying Mass Effect 3 fall in the case of not wanting to buy it somewhere other than Steam?

It falls under the "Do what you will" clause invoked at the end. By all means do not buy it. I don't think anything's going to stop EA from forcing Origin on the world, but while you might not change EA's business plans, you WILL have a life free from Origin, which might be its own reward.

I have lived this life you speak of, and have been the more enriched for it.

Irridium:

Or to make Lucasarts make Battlefront 3?

Because I'd be down for that.

YES, YES, OH MY FREAKING GOD YES! A star wars franchise (which is a milked but still money making franchise anyway), has an amazing multiplayer, a huge fanbase, and great gameplay on both land and space combat?

WHY AREN'T COMPANIES MILKING THIS FRANCHISE YET!? Don't they want to make money!?

I think often the "boycotts" are just whining. Like Jim said in his episode on boycotting, it's usually a completely empty threat made by whiny little bitches. They say they're going to do it but they never do. If people actually stuck to boycotts then maybe they would hold more power, but they don't. Although I agree that even if boycotts did do what they were supposed to publishers would probably react how Jim says.

I'm not really convinced that publishers care about whining either. It can easily be ignored. A few have said that they have listened, but have they really? And does listening really equate to change? I think publishers are smart enough to realise that even though many people may bitch about something that keeps happening over and over again, people keep buying their stuff over and over again. Capcom saying that they're rethinking their DLC plans is an exception to the rule. Every other trend that gets people pissed is still continuing, even growing. And even if Capcom do decide to make a change, how do we know it'll be for the better? They might just replace their current system with something just as offensive. Take a look at how they have "honoured" Mega Man's 25th anniversary when people have been complaining how the franchise hasn't been given the attention it deserves.

Basically, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. In the words of Serj Tankian, the bottom line is money and nobody gives a fuck.

Devil May Cry. That is all.

Also, this video may impower people to bitch more about things that are inconsequencail. Like the color scheme thing in Diablo 3 earlier in the video.

Dangit2019:
Has there ever been a VG boycott that worked, like, ever? I still go back to the old L4D2 threads just to have a laugh at the "boycotters" who have L4D2 on their steam profiles.

The L4D2 boycott worked in my opinion, the worry was that Valve would focus their time and effort on L4D2 instead of supporting L4D(1). And they heard that message, or did you forget about The Sacrifice?

There were people who basically didn't let go of the boycott even when valve said they would keep supporting L4D, I was one of therm because I didnt belive them, but they put their money where their mouth is. The rest who are still boycotting are just stubborn, but it dosent change the fact that it did do something even if very little.

Shadowstar38:
Devil May Cry. That is all.

Also, this video may impower people to bitch more about things that are inconsequencail. Like the color scheme thing in Diablo 3 earlier in the video.

As I said in the vid, I'll always reserve the right to call them whining pricks when they're doing just that.

Good vid Jim, and while I agree to an extent, there is a large detail missing.

WHERE you bitch can make all the difference. If someone decides to make a whine thread on the Escapist or Gamefaqs for example, it's going to go unnoticed by publishers, irritate fans, and just come across as attention seeking or flamebait.

Take that shit to official websites for the game/dev/publisher where it belongs if you want results, and most importantly be somewhat civil and explain yourself.
Otherwise it'll get dismissed as "Haters gonna hate"

Other than that, good show. I actually look forward to mondays now because of Jimquisition.

FelixG:

Jimothy Sterling:
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Great episode Jim! One of your best yet, Bravo sir, bravo!

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I sincerely agree.

Bitching and whining is so annoying that it's one of the most effective way to (peacefully) get what you want. But please try to occasionally not just whine "this is bad.." try whining "this is bad so do this....", it works even better for me at least..

I do think that a boycott of a publisher doesn't work but boycott certain games does. To use the Activision example people don't like COD cause it is the same game every year and it has overpriced DLC and subscription services that only offer stuff that Bungie did with Halo free for years, ok so boycott COD but when they do something like Prototype or War for Cybertron then do buy the game because that sends the message of what we want and what we don't.

As soon as you say I am going to boycott a certain publisher because they have done something you don't like regardless of whether a particular game does that or not then you stop being a customer and therefore the publisher couldn't care less what you think.

LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!

Also, thank gourd for Jim. I don't thank enough gourds for Jim so I'm just taking this moment to do so.

PS. I'm not much of a whiner so I just hope those that are take notice of this and do the right thing.

Jimothy Sterling:

Peter Chordash:
Where does not buying Mass Effect 3 fall in the case of not wanting to buy it somewhere other than Steam?

It falls under the "Do what you will" clause invoked at the end. By all means do not buy it. I don't think anything's going to stop EA from forcing Origin on the world, but while you might not change EA's business plans, you WILL have a life free from Origin, which might be its own reward.

Right. So if I really can't stand Origin from a service standpoint in addition to the business standpoint, I should just avoid the game. However, if it is only the business implications of Origin I hate, then I shouldn't feel overly hypocritical for purchasing and enjoying the series I have grown to love.

Thank you Jim. Thank you for your videos. Thank you for the conversations you provoke. And thank God for Jim.

Huh. Well alright then. Quite often Jim's videos make me nod my head and say "hmm yes, very good point." Then there are videos, like this one, that make me say "Holy shit I never thought of that before. That's TRUTH!"

Scrustle:
I think often the "boycotts" are just whining. Like Jim said in his episode on boycotting, it's usually a completely empty threat made by whiny little bitches. They say they're going to do it but they never do. If people actually stuck to boycotts then maybe they would hold more power, but they don't. Although I agree that even if boycotts did do what they were supposed to publishers would probably react how Jim says.

I'm not really convinced that publishers care about whining either. It can easily be ignored. A few have said that they have listened, but have they really? And does listening really equate to change? I think publishers are smart enough to realise that even though many people may bitch about something that keeps happening over and over again, people keep buying their stuff over and over again. Capcom saying that they're rethinking their DLC plans is an exception to the rule. Every other trend that gets people pissed is still continuing, even growing. And even if Capcom do decide to make a change, how do we know it'll be for the better? They might just replace their current system with something just as offensive. Take a look at how they have "honoured" Mega Man's 25th anniversary when people have been complaining how the franchise hasn't been given the attention it deserves.

Basically, you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. In the words of Serj Tankian, the bottom line is money and nobody gives a fuck.

I'm with you on this. I really think the ME3 debacle did, at most, force them to move the ending DLC up in terms of when it would've been rolled out, but most likely it just made the whole thing much more public. If you really think Bioware went back and recorded all those extra lines (which Jennifer Hale said she hadn't in an interview), had all those extra parts, AND had three full-on, choice-driven ending extensions (sure, they were just still images, but with the sheer number of ways it can play out, that's plenty), you're out of your mind OR you think Bioware has one of the greatest work outputs of any company ever to exist.

I'm not saying people shouldn't complain when they feel slighted, it's just when it reaches this frothing, unearned, borderline-psychosis of "SCREW THEM! SCREW EVERYONE WHO LOOKS LIKE THEM! SCREW EVERYTHING THEY'LL EVER DO EVER AGAIN BECAUSE CORPORATE EMO TWILIGHT!!!!!!!11"

EA's the only publisher that's driven me to boycott, but that's mostly because every time I've bought anything from them, I've felt ripped off. It's a personal boycott, but I feel a lot better with myself from doing so. It saved me from ME3; best (lack of) purchasing decision I ever made, as sad as I am about what it became.

I've certainly done my share of complaining though. A well thought out and polite email directly to the publisher might get lost into the mix, but not when they're bombarded with thousands of them at once. Operation Rainfall wasn't a boycott, but a complain fest, and it mostly worked as we can clearly see.

I've been badgering Konami a little bit as well, requesting a proper re-release of Suikoden 2. With enough complaints, they'll know they have to give in, and they might realize they can actually profit off of it. That's a good thing.

Anyone who brings up the "entitled" gamer remark deserves to be swindled. Our capitalist system only works when we hold our corporations to actually deliver what we want.

Jim, I was one of those guys who was hating your show when it first appeared on the escapist, but over time it became one of my favorite shows on the internet, I just want to say I take everything back and keep on the good work on being right as always.

Definitely an interesting point about boycotts and made me think about my own boycott of Activision, mostly because of their business practices, but also because I'm never really interested in the games they publish anyway.

As for the bitching/moaning/complaining, I think it is definitely effective. However, I feel that is has to have some sort of direction, otherwise the complaining will just become a directionless wave of hate where people are misinformed over what exactly they're complaining about. We saw this with the Mass Effect stuff where people complained that the ending was shallow and didn't make sense, and then we got people counter-complaining that those that were complaining were doing so because they didn't get a happy ending, which is a misinterpretation of what they actually were complaining about.

So basically if gamers want change we must be like this

and not like this

ok

OT: Liked the episode and it explains WHY most boycotts aren't a good idea.

Nice hat, Jim. Is there a story behind it?

As for the topic - i do both. I moan and bitch and whine to make my voice be heard, and boycott games/publishers/developers to make myself feel good.

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