Escape to the Movies: Expendables 2

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Does Bob still not understand that we didn't dislike his review of the Expendables because he sounded like a pretentious film snob who basically insulted people that liked (or even would have liked it)? Because he still seems to think we're just offended by his opinion.

Frankly this just seems like another case of Spider-Man, ie already making up your mind on a film months before you've seen it.

I can't wait till 3xpendables. What about you Bob?

Aiddon:
Washed-Up 80s Hacks: The Movie: The Sequel. The stars in this movie are not missed (though I roll my eyes at how legitimate talent like Jet Li and Jason Statham keep showing up in dreck like this) and it's pitiful how they keep trying to extend their shelf life that hit its expiration date about twenty years ago. We were definitely better off once we got back to teaching actors how to fight instead of pretending lunk heads could act. I am glad that no one besides Sly is really trying to bring back the worst excesses of the 80s so it makes it come off as sad instead of annoying.

I agreed with you until you mentioned Jason Statham and talent in the same sentence. Unless you mean Jason Statham's talent at being Jason Statham, in which case I can under stand that. Besides, Statham has appeared in worse movies, oddly enough alongside Jet Li. Hmmm...

Karelwolfpup:

I agreed with you until you mentioned Jason Statham and talent in the same sentence. Unless you mean Jason Statham's talent at being Jason Statham, in which case I can under stand that. Besides, Statham has appeared in worse movies, oddly enough alongside Jet Li. Hmmm...

Statham CAN be good as his turns in Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels and Snatch proved, but he got stupid and went for bad, schlocky action movies. He definitely can have gravitas but fell too in love with money, so even I'm writing him off as wasted potential at this point. Jet Li just had the unfortunate fate of being in bad movies overseas like SO many other Asian actors.

DugMachine:

TorchofThanatos:
I loved this MOVIE!
IT was so much fun.

and HOBO with a Shotgun sucked! NO movie should ever do what that one tired to.

NO it is not a good movie, but it is a fun movie.

Sup with the random caps all over this post? I have a feeling you're just trying to get under bobs skin with this post. And personally, I enjoyed hobo with a shotgun very much but that's just me.

OT: Never watched the first one so will probably give this one a pass.

Maybe, but I just really hated Hobo, That is one of the few movies I have walked out on.
I also really enjoyed Expendables 2. Bob can enjoy some stupid comedy movies for just being stupid comedy movies but he can't enjoy stupid action movies for being stupid action movies. I understand that it is all personal choice but I can still get mad at him for it.

I decided that instead of using the money to buy tickets to this, I would buy The Raid: Redemption on Blu-Ray

A much better choice apparently.

I didn't hate the first one, knew he would hate this one, and will watch it anyway.

SamStar42:
Does Bob still not understand that we didn't dislike his review of the Expendables because he sounded like a pretentious film snob who basically insulted people that liked it.

Yeh, I think its Bobs pretentious side that hates these movies.

I like how people can with a straight face say this movie is bad if they never saw it. Wanna give a good opinion then watch the movie, if not your thoughts don't really matter :D.

Graham_LRR:

AnarchistAbe:
Addendum: I don't get the critical slaughter of this series... This is a tongue-in-cheek, self-refferential action film. THEY REFERENCE RAMBO DIRECTLY for fuck's sake!!! This was not TRYING to be a critical success. It doesn't take itsself seriously. I just don't undestand the mentality behing listening to a critic with a movie like The Expendables.

Because it could have been so much better. A "campy, self-referential, tongue-in-cheek" can still be an excellent action movie, and this wasn't. That's why.

Got an example of a joke that could have been done much better? If your gonna say there are ways to do something better at least give a example.

Saw this at the Alamo Drafthouse after 3 Van Damme movies. What a great time! It's not Hitchcock, it's not Kubrick or even Spielberg, some movies are just a fun love letter to the fans, that's it.

AnarchistAbe:
Go see and formulate your own opinion!!!

I loved this movie for what it was: a campy, action flick with awesome one-liners, and a host of (now aged) action stars. Don't go into this expecting ANYTHING but what it is, and I think you'll enjoy it.

Addendum: I don't get the critical slaughter of this series... This is a tongue-in-cheek, self-refferential action film. THEY REFERENCE RAMBO DIRECTLY for fuck's sake!!! This was not TRYING to be a critical success. It doesn't take itsself seriously. I just don't undestand the mentality behing listening to a critic with a movie like The Expendables.

Thank you.

So, did you like it, Bob? I couldn't tell.

I could quote every single one in this thread who isn't getting the point, but i won't, to much, to lazy.
If you like Expandables xy, do so, you're allowed, "art, fun, entertainment" or whatever is what you call it, there are no absolute definitions, there can't be.
If your arguments are "I had fun watching this movie because i wanted plain action, catchy one-liners and more or less burned out stars trying to party like they did in the past and referencing themselfs doing so", sure why not, Bob isn't saying there will be anything else waiting for you.
Also, Bob is a "critic", he isn't the "god of movies", he isn't "the voice from the speaker you have to obay", sometimes he's just ranting in a review because of personal bias, that's unprofessional, but sometimes he does a good job at analysing a movie and trying his best as a critic to make his analyses appealing to listeners. You can go along with what he says, but you mustn't if you don't want to. Another thing of reviews is, trying to have some kind of influence on the industry, if you like something, speak out to encourage more, if you don't, point at what you dislike and maybe next time it will be different, same thing here.

But as there are legitimate reasons to like it, there are also reasons not to like it!
"RoboCop", "Rambo", "Die Hard" the old "Total Recall", the older martial arts movies like "Dragon somethingsomething" (seriously, enter what you want and you have the name of an old eastern), even something like the 1987 "Running Man", films from the time those old geezers originated from had just the same mix of plain action, one-liners and stupid violence as Expandables (i can't stress Running Man enough on this one, dramatically this movie was horrible), but they felt different! Why is that? Is it simple nostalgia? Is it the effort needed to pull of those stunts with 1/4 of the budgets used today, designing the methods used to do those stunts up until today, setting milestones while getting one or another bone broken? Is it that those movies had consistent themes, some being rather good science fiction at the same time, or getting (kinda) in touch with other cultures when they seemed to be further away than today, or by dealing with the wars of the past decades? They had many flaws as well, but including a mix of the things mentioned above, they made good action movies! You barely see those things today (for example the new "Total Recall" just isn't comparable to the old one for reasons Bob already mentioned, lets see if the new Judge Dredd will be), but some do other things right, i'd like to mention "Crank", the story is simple as it gets, the screenplay is... i'd say actually not that bad... but basically it does nothing else but to throw you from one crazy stupid action scene into another, but is themed and consistent in doing so!

"The Expendables", at least the first one, was none of this! To me, it was so friggin boring i snoozed off after the first 30 minutes (late at home, i never sleep in cinemas) and when i woke up my friend told me i wouldn't have missed anything by skipping it (to be sure, another day i watched it again and i realy didn't).
I don't know how different it is with the second one, but i guess it barely is, maybe i'll bother when it's out on DVD. However, i'd realy, realyrealy like to see action movies doing a better job than this and that's exactly why i demand it and the reason i can understand Bob's point. If you are satisfied with what you got with "The Expendables 2", then go along, but if you want to say anything against a review like this, at least try to make a point, or waste your time on something else!

'Nough said so far, much regard if you actually read all the above.

TorchofThanatos:
Bob can enjoy some stupid comedy movies for just being stupid comedy movies but he can't enjoy stupid action movies for being stupid action movies.

Except that's not true at all. He likes Machete, Hobo With A Shotgun, Smoking Aces and a lot of other stupid action moives. Including, as he said in this video, the stupid action movies these guys were making about 30 years ago. He doesn't like Expendables because he thinks it's a bad stupid action film.

People complained about the reviews of the first expendables not so much because he didn't like the movie, but because he basically called everyone an idiot who went and saw it and had a whiney hissy fit because scott pilgrim (which hasn't aged very well) tanked.

This is a much better review because it sticks to explaining why this is a bad movie.

Wait wait wait! Hold on, people actually liked the first Expendables? I couldn't watch 5 minutes of it without thinking, "So all they do is kill people and don't get killed themselves? I could be playing a game and be doing this!". I guess I'm more sophisticated than my 10 year old self.

Anyway, you aren't the only person that hates the Expendables Bob. Also, is the title referencing the thousands of goons they kill? Because none of the bloody "heroes" die for fuck sake and that doesn't make them fucking "expendable"!

I haven't seen either Expendables film, and have no desire to. I did, on the other hand, see Scott Pilgrim about a month after release and fell in love with it. I totally ate up the film, the books, and the game.

(Yeah, I read the books AFTER I saw the movie. Deal with it, hipsters.)

However, I saw each of Michael Bay's Transformers films multiple times each. So apparently I'm some sort of mouth-breathing, slack-jawed idiot who shouldn't be allowed to drive a car or vote--somewhere, according to Bob's Transformers 3 review, "I could do real damage."

It's all about respect. It's the reason (I think) we can't get any real work done in the political arenas; BOTH sides are so eager dismiss the opposition's views and ideas they'll find some stupid reason to demonize the entire lot and claim the moral high ground.

A Democrat has a good idea for restoring the economy? "Ah, what do you know, dirty liberal?" the Republicans say. "I don't even have to listen to you to know you're a socialist!"

A Republican has a plan for widespread health care? "Piss off, you religious nutjob!" the Democrats say. "I know you hate gays and women's rights, so I'm not going to bother giving you a chance!"

Another example: I liked Mass Effect 3's original ending. I know a lot of people didn't. But I'm not going to yell at all those people and call them stupid because they "didn't get it" or say they aren't true fans or some such nonsense. At the same time, I'd appreciate it if those people didn't call me stupid for liking it or call me a BioWare apologist or any of that stuff.

Basically, don't say "hey, you have to respect my opinion, I have a right to my opinion," and then turn around and insult someone for...having an opinion.

Expendables 2 doesn't take itself too seriously, what with the Chuck Norris cameo making Chuck Norris jokes, of all things, and Arnold Schwarzenegger complaining about the movie having too many cameos.

The intro section of the movie played like a parody of old action flicks, from the over-the-top ridiculousness of the events that actually took place, to the cringe-inducing guttural screams and cheers that the cast produced over how badass they were, to the absurd contrast between their expert marksmanship in any situation and their foes complete inability to hit the broad side of a barn.

Expendables 2 is simultaneously an indulgence of old, tired action tropes and a parody of them.

AnarchistAbe:
Go see and formulate your own opinion!!!

I loved this movie for what it was: a campy, action flick with awesome one-liners, and a host of (now aged) action stars. Don't go into this expecting ANYTHING but what it is, and I think you'll enjoy it.

Addendum: I don't get the critical slaughter of this series... This is a tongue-in-cheek, self-referential action film. THEY REFERENCE RAMBO DIRECTLY for fuck's sake!!! This was not TRYING to be a critical success. It doesn't take itself seriously. I just don't understand the mentality being listening to a critic with a movie like The Expendables.

To me it strikes of watching a porn and then complaining about the abundance of sex and lack of plot, and in reference to movie bob mentioning the internet's hatred of his first review. He missed the fucking point harder than a blind hooker on her first customer.

Heh, channelling a bit of Yahtzee this time methinks, liking the use of the names of some of the actor's other roles throughout the review.

And despite myself and everything you've said here... I'm darkly tempted by this one due to the return of Schwartzenegger...

"The Expendables II" was a lot of fun, and honestly I don't know many people who didn't enjoy it. This was a quality product that did exactly what it set out to do. Critics who slam a movie like this might want to re-examine what gives them the right to be critics given that they are kind of out of touch with the people their opinions are supposed to be in sync with.

That said, I do kind of see why Bob doesn't like this given what he's said in his other movie reviews. Arguably this is a movie pretty much glorifying the "real men" and mainstream points of view that he feels belittled by and spends a lot of time speaking in opposition to. That and I think his somewhat boggling anti-US comments criticizing movies with a pro-American stance (god forbid anything be Pro-US) as being for those who "don't know any better" or existing as something to only appreciate ironially, sort of makes him opposed to well.... pretty much anything remotely like this, or the movies that inspired it. Granted "The Expendables" *is* politically neutral as opposed to pro-American, but Bob seems unable to get over earlier works that did have a pro-American point of view.

That said, he is entitled to his opinion, and given his other reviews, The original Expendables in paticular, I suppose you can at least say he's fairly consistant here. Personally I'm kind of surprised he bothered to review it given that he seems to have had to have seen it at his own expense.

I'm curious what exactly is different between this movie and the campy schlock of the 80's. Keep in in mind that I loved the campy schlock, and I've yet to see Expendables 2, but what really separates the good "bad" of old movies with the bad "bad" of this new one?

For example, I saw the original Total Recall recently and despite everyone's claims that it was better than the new one, I have to disagree. They were both terribly mediocre and missed the ambiguity of the original Phillip K. Dick story.

Im a big fan of yours Bob but your previous reveiw of the Expendables did make me feel abit off. Don't get me wrong the first two acts of that film were just so much fluff but your reveiw really did seem like a rage dump (maybe it was) but its good to hear you take it back abit for this one, really enjoyed it even if I proberly am still going to see it.

I like it when you stay classy Bob... w-wait, did you just tell me to watch Domino?... oh for fu-

I hated the first Expendables, was dragged to this one. I liked it, it was funny, not very serious and good action scenes(Bob is wrong), especially for old men, and they were doing their trademark moves.

I laughed my balls off and had a good time doing it. I also went on tuesday so it was cheap so I'm calling it a win.

I think I remember the first movie. Actually I don't. I remember a vague blur of explosions, and the only reason I really remember it is because the title is hazed as this great action movie. Oh yeah, I watched it at home, and while I watched it I got so bored I made myself a second breakfast, ground 6 ounces of coffee, and pulled myself an americano on the espresso machine. I also got this vague feeling of wanting to work out.

Right now I imagine in six months time when this movie is released on dvds and netflix, I'll get it, and be bored of it just as quickly.

leviadragon99:
Heh, channelling a bit of Yahtzee this time methinks, liking the use of the names of some of the actor's other roles throughout the review.

And despite myself and everything you've said here... I'm darkly tempted by this one due to the return of Schwartzenegger...

It's not so much a return as a "why the FUCK are you still doing this?" These guys should have retired from the action racket awhile ago.

I love this review. It reflects exactly my own feelings on the two films. I want to love them so much, but they're just horrible.

The Expendables franchise should have been a wonderful cheesy homage to the greatest action stars of the 80s. But it missed the mark by quite some way. I was expecting a "shit but good" couple of movies, but what I actually got was just shit.

Expendables 2? Pfffft, more like Missed Opportunities 2.

Maybe the 80's mentality can't be recaptured because of world events since that time tweaking our mentality to represent the now. It's sad, but perhaps we'd be better off with an 80's action movie marathon over a weekend with beer, pizza, chips, etc. Then we can get back to the salt mines of our tattered lives.

Bob and I tend to have very different tastes and views on movies (Daybreakers was terrible for example) but every now and then my lower bar for movie quality lines up with his. Action movies need to get ACTION right, explosions and some bad fights do not an action movie make- the film needed either the same insanity as Crank or rambo 4's blood..possibly both instead of neither

and on the topic of hobo?..kind of sickening, trashy-good but requiring a slightly different mindset to mine to fully enjoy

The critic predicted the outcome of the Expendables 1 and 2 in the 90's

Haven't seen this one, but the first is plagued by ridiculously bad editing, super fast cutting. Oh and Arnold looked big, and not muscle wise.

This movie made me want to see RED again. I liked the first movie, I disagreed with Bob's opinion of that movie, but I did not like this one. The older movie had fun with the type of movie, this one went shameless. Throwing the odd catch phrase in? I can take that, it's all good fun. Two action stars throwing catch phrases back and forth at each other? I cringed.

Randy Couture being called a never-was is just.. that term doesn't seem to apply here, in my opinion. A never-was is, to me, more like someone who has been acting for a while and never made it big at all. Not someone who got too old for his day job and decided to do a shitty movie.

My dad loved it, my dad couldn't get enough of the first Expendables ether.
... As for me, I found the first one alright. Some scenes tended to drag on or seem so cheesy due to how 'macho' the situation was supposed to reflect the guys with their hardcore nature. I've seen regular people seem more macho then them, real life wise.

Just sad that all these actors together couldn't pull off the potential this movie had. All well.

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