Jimquisition: Anita Sarkeesian - The Monster Gamers Created

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I'm aware she probably anticipated and used the trolling and harrasment to her advantage, but then again it required her to use pre existing sexism, so it really is the foolish trolls faults. She played you all for fools and beat you are own stupid game.

If you feel you have the right to troll the weak or whatever then you should accept defeat from someone better at it than you. Its funny how net Darwirnists only seem to believe its other people who should be subject to it, they never take defeat very gracefully and often just attack harder. I hope this compel's the trolls invovled to reexamine themselves

Theirs plenty about her I'm not fond of, but I'll certainly cheer if she helps expose fuckwits like this, even weaponising their barbaric behaviour.

Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

Tenmar:
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I also come from a legal background and to be honest, I'm appalled at your attitude. There is no excuse to threaten people. It's a vile and barbaric act that has no place in a civilized society. If the people behind such an act are rational adults, they have no excuse. If they aren't rational adults, there are systems in place to rehabilitate their lack of civic responsibility. I seriously hope your family doesn't condone your philosophy.

This is incredibly basic knowledge. Knowledge that has been forged into rules designed to protect innocent people from blatant attacks on their constitutional rights. There is no grey area in this matter. You do not threaten other people unprovoked. You respect their rights, they respect yours, end of story. I'm personally ashamed that anybody born in "a house of law and order" doesn't understand this.

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

If you complained too, and your reasons were valid, people would also run to support your cause.

Revolutionaryloser:

Therumancer:

Revolutionaryloser:
Has anybody ever threatened to rape you on the Internet?

Yes, a matter of fact they have, and exactly in this style. Someone telling you that they are going to make you their prison bitch (or whatever) for doing or saying something they don't like isn't all that uncommon you realize. As someone who has taken a number of contreversial positions over the years, and continues to do so, I've gotten pretty much every kind of threat you can think of. I'm just not a drama queen about it.

For that matter when I worked casino security I've been threatned in pretty much every way you can imagine, including my family, my pets, my car and everything else. Alcohol shut offs are especially fun for that. So, it's not just the internet either. You know "I just lost $10,000 dollars and now your telling me I can't drink anymore, just wait until you get out of here, I'm going to run you off the side of the road and me and my friends are going to rape you like we did in prison and mail your head back to this damn casino..."

I can't speak for anyone else though, but in my case the answer is "yep".

And you wouldn't have prefered that somebody had your back when exposed to this kind of terrible abuse? You realize the word we use for your philosophy is victim-blaming?

It's like this, when you open your mouth you should be prepared to take responsibility for it. When I go off on some of my rather unpopular political speils and such I do so knowing that people are going to disagree with me (even if others might agree) and take offense.

Likewise when I worked casino security, I took the money knowing EXACTLY what I was getting into. Indeed I was the guy you'd complain to if you had a problem with what someone else said. Typically your getting called into a bar to assist with a shut off because someone is already being belligerant, my job as security being to get them to re-direct their anger towards me as opposed to the servers/barkeepers so they can get on with their job, while re-directing them out of that paticular venue. There is a certain art to it.

The basic point here is that when she decided to open her mouth on something like this, she should have been ready for people to go after her for it. It also doesn't help that she's a rather transparent troll who was doing this just to get attention (in which she succeeded). It's not like she was representing a valid viewpoint, even if it was one that I happened to disagree with, the position she was taking wasn't intended to do anything but cause trouble.

I'll also say that if she takes money to speak and starts doing this professionally (even if her profession is backed by donations) she had best be ready for the hate taking a public platform involves, especially if you plan to troll everyone like she is. To do otherwise would be like me taking money to work security and then getting upset because the belligerant people I deal with happen to be mean.

Anita is pretty much the internet gaming equivilent of Michael Phelps. He can technically get away with trolling a funeral, but has no right to be upset when there is backlash trolling against him.

Revolutionaryloser:

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

If you complained too, and your reasons were valid, people would also run to support your cause.

You can't be that naive. People who complain about how men are portrayed on television do have valid complaints but they are ignored because men aren't a minority.

Revolutionaryloser:

Tenmar:
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I also come from a legal background and to be honest, I'm appalled at your attitude. There is no excuse to threaten people. It's a vile and barbaric act that has no place in a civilized society. If the people behind such an act are rational adults, they have no excuse. If they aren't rational adults, there are systems in place to rehabilitate their lack of civic responsibility. I seriously hope your family doesn't condone your philosophy.

This is incredibly basic knowledge. Knowledge that has been forged into rules designed to protect innocent people from blatant attacks on their constitutional rights. There is no grey area in this matter. You do not threaten other people unprovoked. You respect their rights, they respect yours, end of story. I'm personally ashamed that anybody born in "a house of law and order" doesn't understand this.

You know if it was up to your attitude and philosophy. Which is sounding a lot like zero tolerance. I wouldn't have an education at all and would of been expelled from school. Here's the thing about your philosophy. I have been a victim most of my life. You see I grew up a nerd and pretty much to this day really don't have any friends or socialize that much. But during my time in school I was beaten up a lot, jocks, gangs, you name it I've gotten into fights with em. At the same time the school and your zero tolerance policy constantly got me as a result of fighting back as in defending myself from said abuse got me in detention, suspended and to the point where I was such a victim that they wanted to also expel me because I was just that much of a target.

You really think your philosophy would of helped me? My parent's made them realize that cause you have some rules or laws that not everything is meant to be followed to the letter. There needs to be circumstance and understanding which is how our justice system does work. You figure out the reasons behind everything, you investigate and find the actions and find out who is at fault.

Thanks to them I have my B.A. and actually know when to tolerate a person's behavior or when I actually should act upon it.

You are the one who is now throwing your preconceived notion of morality as the standard that everyone must follow.

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

It's called Female Hypoagency, a pretty well-known phenomenon.
Fundamentally there is nothing wrong with it - females have been subconciously doing it for thousands of years, nature has built-in the mechanism into women to increase their chances of survival (and thus the survival of the human race) which has worked out pretty damn well. You can thank that particular genetic/evolutionary trait for our dominance of the planet today.
The fact continues to be that the safest thing a woman in distress can do is stay put and yell for help (i.e. "complain") until society conforms to their needs. Most women who have taken risks by taking actual action on their own have suffered GREATLY, i.e. been prosecuted, never married, never had children - and as far as evolution/nature is concerned, not raising healthy children is considered a failure of design.
Before people come at me with pitchforks and torche accusing me of being stuck in a "housewife" mindset, let me tell you this - nature/evolution doesn't give a SHIT about "equality". It really, really doesn't. It only cares about the SURVIVAL of the race as a whole and will do whatever it takes to ensure that survival, equality be damned.

So in the grand scheme of things, it's absolutely fine for females to cry & complain and for society (especially men) to cater to their needs - we've been doing it for THOUSANDS of years, it's a good thing.

As to how this whole thing ties into sexism in video gaming and Anita Sarkeesian - female hypoagency has another trait which makes women jealous that a far more "beautiful" (sexualized) versions of themselves are catching the attention of the men. Women in general will say "wait, why are all these guys so interested in video game females? Why are these girls so much sexier than us? We can never realistically look like that all the time, DAMMIT guys look at us!".
They may not directly say that (actually they will rebel against such a notion) but subconciously they are programmed to do exactly that. It is intended by evolution, it is aimed at our survival. Females look to control the cogs of society not by dominating and leading it - but by persuading and controlling the MEN (in this case, game developers) who are in charge.
The very fact that they're a woman will automatically society sympathize more towards them. A man is looked down upon if he prioritizes his own life above a woman's. The concept of "chivalry" isn't some bullshit that some random guy came up with one day. Opening doors and being extra-nice and extra-helpful towards women (along with catering to their wants and needs) is something that men AUTOMATICALLY do, not because of how we're raised or what we're shown in movies - it is a genetic and evolutionary trait, at the deepest level of our minds something yells "protect that woman, your race depends on her survival and being comfortable!" and so we do it.

And ironically feminists are looking to break the very thing that has ensured their comfort, survival and being given priority in all life-threatning situations all these tens of thousands of years - idiots. They fail to comprehend their importance and role in society. Society will automatically focus on violence against women far more than violence against men. "It's in men's nature to be violent and learn to deal with violence, who gives a fuck? But look at that WOMAN being abused! It is wrong, it is bad, stop it at once!" Why does society do this? Because we are DESIGNED to do this.

"Equality" was always referring to the amount of RESPECT one human being gives another - NOT equality in roles and what we do. And for most points and purposes, in most of the world men and women respect each other. In countries where they don't (e.g. Middle east) those countries are also horribly backwards. Even a stripper is respected by most of her male onlookers, if she comes down from the stage and talks to one of the guys they'll be extra-super-nice to her (instictintively). Over-sexualized women in video games aren't just objects to men, they are far more than that. I'm against the very concept of "objectification", feminists invented this fucking pointless term because they don't understand what it even means.

Feminists protest against objectification but ironically by not taking any real action (i.e. pushing themselves into game development en masse, showing interest in programming, taking charge of entire studios in big waves, leading game designers, showing their faces in game cons/events/tournaments) and ONLY complaining, they have already objectified themselves, they already consider themselves as objects that need to be catered to by others (i.e. game developers in this case, who are 80-90%+ male) - which as I said earlier, is something we've been seeing since the dawn of time.

It all works out beautifully when you think about it. So should we cater to their needs? Yes, atleast until they stop complaining and find something new to latch onto.

captha: deep thought. Mmm, tell me about it.

Therumancer:
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I am no one to question what you are willing to do in exchange for money. If you think being verbally threatened and abused is worth the pay-off, I'm happy for you. However, this does not make the people who deliver the threats and abuse (especially when there is no money involved) innocent of blame. People who resort to acts such as threats are scum, frankly. They aren't fit to be members of society and they certainly aren't deserving of anybody standing up for them. I can't tell you how you should feel and react to abuse, but as a rule, nobody should have to be subjected to it.

I don't care what it is you want to say. As long as it is not an infringement on another's rights, you are free to say it and no one has the right to attack them with violence for it.

It doesn't matter that the attacks were predictable, they are attacks. They are acts of hatred that violate constitutional rights and they are totally inexcusable. Asserting Anita Sarkeesian was deserving of the attacks she suffered would be to condone the attacks and to acquit the attackers and that goes against the fabric of out society.

Tenmar:

Revolutionaryloser:

Tenmar:
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I also come from a legal background and to be honest, I'm appalled at your attitude. There is no excuse to threaten people. It's a vile and barbaric act that has no place in a civilized society. If the people behind such an act are rational adults, they have no excuse. If they aren't rational adults, there are systems in place to rehabilitate their lack of civic responsibility. I seriously hope your family doesn't condone your philosophy.

This is incredibly basic knowledge. Knowledge that has been forged into rules designed to protect innocent people from blatant attacks on their constitutional rights. There is no grey area in this matter. You do not threaten other people unprovoked. You respect their rights, they respect yours, end of story. I'm personally ashamed that anybody born in "a house of law and order" doesn't understand this.

You know if it was up to your attitude and philosophy. Which is sounding a lot like zero tolerance. I wouldn't have an education at all and would of been expelled from school. Here's the thing about your philosophy. I have been a victim most of my life. You see I grew up a nerd and pretty much to this day really don't have any friends or socialize that much. But during my time in school I was beaten up a lot, jocks, gangs, you name it I've gotten into fights with em. At the same time the school and your zero tolerance policy constantly got me as a result of fighting back as in defending myself from said abuse got me in detention, suspended and to the point where I was such a victim that they wanted to also expel me because I was just that much of a target.

You really think your philosophy would of helped me? My parent's made them realize that cause you have some rules or laws that not everything is meant to be followed to the letter. There needs to be circumstance and understanding which is how our justice system does work. You figure out the reasons behind everything, you investigate and find the actions and find out who is at fault.

Thanks to them I have my B.A. and actually know when to tolerate a person's behavior or when I actually should act upon it.

You are the one who is now throwing your preconceived notion of morality as the standard that everyone must follow.

If it was up to my philosophy you would have never been bullied or beaten.

RaikuFA:

fangclaw:
why was there video of persona 3 in there?

Cause thats one of the games she's targeting. Theres also racers like NFS and Blur on her list and even LBP. Now people are going to wait for her vids to see if its worth getting her investigated for fraud(theres a lot of people that think she did this just to boost her game collection).

Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if she made some of the accounts that harrassed her so she can play victim.

Could you please link me to that list?

Zeles:

RaikuFA:

fangclaw:
why was there video of persona 3 in there?

Cause thats one of the games she's targeting. Theres also racers like NFS and Blur on her list and even LBP. Now people are going to wait for her vids to see if its worth getting her investigated for fraud(theres a lot of people that think she did this just to boost her game collection).

Personally, I wouldn't be suprised if she made some of the accounts that harrassed her so she can play victim.

Could you please link me to that list?

It's a very long list that comprises up to 100 games. You are better of linking straight to her website and looking up her individual blog posts where she gives small commentaries on whatever game she is playing.

Revolutionaryloser:

Therumancer:
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I am no one to question what you are willing to do in exchange for money. If you think being verbally threatened and abused is worth the pay-off, I'm happy for you. However, this does not make the people who deliver the threats and abuse (especially when there is no money involved) innocent of blame. People who resort to acts such as threats are scum, frankly. They aren't fit to be members of society and they certainly aren't deserving of anybody standing up for them. I can't tell you how you should feel and react to abuse, but as a rule, nobody should have to be subjected to it.

I don't care what it is you want to say. As long as it is not an infringement on another's rights, you are free to say it and no one has the right to attack them with violence for it.

It doesn't matter that the attacks were predictable, they are attacks. They are acts of hatred that violate constitutional rights and they are totally inexcusable. Asserting Anita Sarkeesian was deserving of the attacks she suffered would be to condone the attacks and to acquit the attackers and that goes against the fabric of out society.

Then don't troll, it's that simple. Anita brought this upon herself, which is pretty much the point. When she went out there with an annoying, and nonsensical message, and tried to collect money for it, she stopped being a victim. It wasn't like she was simply picked out and attacked at random, or for no reason. It's not even like she simply had an unpopular viewpoint, she was trolling gamers with a non-issue simply to get attention, and then started crying about it when people started trolling her back. The problem is that white knights, and worse yet white knights in the gaming media (who should know better), didn't just let this go, hence the monster we are now facing was created. Basically Anita is a troll whose white knights have given her funding and a platform, and who is in position to do possible damage to the entire cosm of gaming if for some reason the uninformed actually take the garbage she's bound to start spouting seriously. The last thing we need people to think is that there is anything wrong with the portrayals of women in gaming or the way things are now, saying that there is, is a great way to get attention, but god forbid anyone actually takes that seriously, especially when someone extends it to "tropes vs. women" or however she put it, which is even worse. Creating an issue, which even she does not really believe in, is a problem.

In short, don't stick it out if your afraid about it getting cut off. She trolled, got trolled back harder, and the only reason why it's news is because she's a girl and got white knighted on a level that involved the gaming media which was acting irresponsibly. If she didn't want to risk getting threatned and insulted she should never, ever, have tried to pull this. If she wasn't just an attention seeker and was actually trying to raise a legitimate point, even one related to women in video games, it might be differant, but she's a troll who operated on a massive scale, and wound up getting flamed (as trolls do) on an equally massive scale.

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Therumancer:
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I stand by my words. However questionable you might think Sarkeesian's actions were, they are actions that are protected by our society and by our laws. The attacks issued upon her are inexcusable and illegal. Whatever punishment those attackers receive is completely merited and if anything, tragically insufficient. You, who are defending those attacks and are complicit with those hideous sentiments suffer because of it. Condoning criminal acts is shameful behaviour.

The gaming community failed to take civic responsibility when it's most extreme members acted in it's name and as such, the gaming community is being justfully punished for it's negligence.

With enough punishments, community members will realize their behaviour will not be tolerated nor will they benefit from sustaining it. You, aswell as any others who insist on disrupting social order and inciting criminal activities, cannot survive without respecting the rights of your fellow men and women.

I've never heard of that person or seen any of her writings or whatever. Based on Jim's video and some of the comments I've read here, I've decided to do the right thing for myself: Let that person vanish into the obscurity from where she came from. There's nothing of real value to be gained from this or any enlightenment to be attained. Mediahungry people emerge all the time and they try to have their 15 minutes of fame in any way they can but WE can make a difference. We can choose not to give them that and reinforce their twisted ego but instead simply let them float away, back into the bowels of anonymity. There are people who have good views and genuinely good points which benefit other people. I for one, will give my time and appreciation to them :) Needless to say, one such person is Jim Sterling. I know it's a cliche to say so but it's the truth in my point of view, I feel personally so :)

EDIT: I take absolutely NO responsibility in what some angry losers have done and said to Anita. I think that they should've kept their mouths shut instead of bringing disgrace to those why try to behave like adults. We can tell those people to grow up but we shouldn't take the fall for their actions.

Revolutionaryloser:

Therumancer:
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I stand by my words. However questionable you might think Sarkeesian's actions were, they are actions that are protected by our society and by our laws. The attacks issued upon her are inexcusable and illegal. Whatever punishment those attackers receive is completely merited and if anything, tragically insufficient. You, who are defending those attacks and are complicit with those hideous sentiments suffer because of it. Condoning criminal acts is shameful behaviour.

The gaming community failed to take civic responsibility when it's most extreme members acted in it's name and as such, the gaming community is being justfully punished for it's negligence.

With enough punishments, community members will realize their behaviour will not be tolerated nor will they benefit from sustaining it. You, aswell as any others who insist on disrupting social order and inciting criminal activities, cannot survive without respecting the rights of your fellow men and women.

The thing is that she was disrupting social order by trolling. What's more, like it or not, the abillity to say nasty things to people is part of what freedom of speech happens to be about, even if people have been trying to limit it. It works both ways. If she's allowed to be obnoxious and troll, then people can troll her back, it's perfectly fair.

Really the gaming community isn't being "punished" for this so much as having to endure her having a platform that will probably wind up doing some damage if it's ever taken seriously. The real failing here was those white knighting her, not taking the time to look at what they were defending. One of the reasons you see so many exposes showing Anita to be a less than ideal person is specifically to make the point that the people jumping to her defense kind of missed why all of this occured.

I'll also be blunt, this kind of verbal assault takes the place of other responses when people step out of line. Someone could have tracked her down and smacked the crap out of her for being an idiot, but nobody did, because in general this kind of response usually gets the job done. When the troll slinks off back under their bridge things go back to normal, and in a few months people rarely remember the trolling.

See, the thing is that you can't defend her abillity to do what she was doing, while saying the counter-trolls were wrong. In this case both sides were equally bad, and truthfully what Anita has been doing has a chance of doing more damage given that it's aimed at gaming which potentially affects millions of people, where the counter-trolls are simply affecting one person who did something wrong first. If you want to argue the counter-trolls were wrong, you have to also argue that SHE was wrong, and to a greater degree at the same time. This of course raises the question of how you would deal with her, it's not like the "Cyber Police" are going to show up and arrest her for trolling people with a nonsensical feminist rant, no matter what kind of damage might ensue. There is literally no authority to appeal to in that case to shut her up when a lot of damage could be done. As a result you see the internet policing itself. Before you can judge those who trolled Anita, you have to present a practical solution that would have shut her down, and there really isn't one. Indeed the way she was trolled was a lesser evil than any kind of authority that could have stopped her would wind up being. Consider it wild west justice on the internet.

To be entirely honest with you, I'm not sure if this issue is over yet. When she finishes her production, assuming she ever does, she has to find someone to host it. I have a feeling that anyone who offers to give her a trolling platform is going to wind up under attack as well. See, right now if there was some kind of authority that could prevent her from ever broadcasting at this point, it would be a non-issue, so stopping her is pretty much going to involve more of the same, and probably attacks (DDOS, etc..) against those who try and host her videos. I could be wrong about it, but well.... there you are. The big question is of course going to be if the White Knights have learned their lessons from what's been
revealed, or if this is going to turn into an even nastier brawl. I suppose her videos might go up unopposd, but I'm doubting it, she's made so many friends after all.

In the end I'm guessing the bottom line is you simply agree with her, which is your right, and thus have sympathy for her position. I on the other hand do not. The problem with your arguements about human rights and dignity is that they fail to present any other way she could have been stopped (and understand, this kind of thing usually works, this is noteworthy because it didn't). As I said, until a viable alternative is presented, you can't criticize what happened here. Blame the situation more than anything.

In a general sense this is also how a lot of violence and other unpleasant things wind up happning in real life. A position is created from which there is no viable way to stop the person holding it. People who obtain that position (whatever it might be) inevitably exploit it, perhaps for rational reasons (profit), or just to be jerks (lulz), and piss people off to the point where they don't want to take it anymore. That leads to people doing unpleasant things outside of the system, intimidation, assault, etc... In the real life stage I look at what's going on with some of the more obnoxious financial groups who hide behind their lawyers and exploit everyone from a position the everyman can't oppose, it lead to the civil disobeidience of "occupy Wall Street" along with a lot of threats and such. Give it another year or so and it will probably lead to violence since there is no other way to get to those people.

What's going on with Anita is on a smaller scale, but the same basic principle.

I'm pretty sure the people threatening to rape her are mentally incapable of debating her on an intellectual level.

Good job, Jim.

Tippy:
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Only 'Female hypoagency' doesn't exist, men don't own video games. It's not a 'male space.' I've been playing video games for a long time, sometimes longer than male gamers have been alive, it's just a much my tree house as yours if not more and I think I have a right to express my opinion on it. Hypoagency is based on sexist gender roles and as we all know those are utter bollocks.

Sexism however does exist and it's something that needs changed in some video games both behind the screen and in front of it. If anything the venomous and hostile reaction Anita got for merely speaking her mind is proof of that.

Also a call to ask for better female characters has NO ROOT IN JEALOUSY that's a complete fallacy.

Your entire post is completely condescending.

Feminists protest against objectification but ironically by not taking any real action (i.e. pushing themselves into game development en masse, showing interest in programming, taking charge of entire studios in big waves, leading game designers, showing their faces in game cons/events/tournaments) and ONLY complaining,

Oh really? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of female games devs to prove you completely wrong. There is even a geek girl con to talk about these kinds of issues as well as celebrate games. The fact is that the majority of us are just gamers like you and we aren't in a position to do these things so all we have left is to complain.

It's like saying people have no right to complain about the ME3 ending or FF13 because they aren't game devs. so...probably the majority of people on this forum.

I'll be sure to point that out next time I see you complaining about a game.

Therumancer:
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You are wrong. Freedom of speech carries with it responsibility. You may express yourself as long as you do not infringe the constitutional rights of others. Anita Sarkeesian was simply expressing her views, an act encouraged for healthy political discourse. Her attackers were infringing on her rights and endangering her dignity as a human being. There is no argument. One is legal, one is illegal.

We have priorities. We deal with criminal activities first, that is a central pillar of our society. Crime will always be punished, if not penally, socially. Other inadequate behaviour will be punished in due time.

As long as there are those who persist in mocking our social order, society will punish their misdemeanors. You may think it is possible to ignore these punishments. As we speak people are being educated in civic responsibility and gradually those who defend disorder and hate speech are losing their allies and their voice. Those who cannot act as a part of our society, will be treated as enemies of our society. Resistance is completely futile. The verdict has already passed and the sentence will be carried out.

Moonlight Butterfly:

Tippy:
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Only 'Female hypoagency' doesn't exist, men don't own video games. It's not a 'male space.' I've been playing video games for a long time, sometimes longer than male gamers have been alive, it's just a much my tree house as yours if not more and I think I have a right to express my opinion on it. Hypoagency is based on sexist gender roles and as we all know those are utter bollocks.

Sexism however does exist and it's something that needs changed in some video games both behind the screen and in front of it. If anything the venomous and hostile reaction Anita got for merely speaking her mind is proof of that.

Also a call to ask for better female characters has NO ROOT IN JEALOUSY that's a complete fallacy.

Your entire post is completely condescending.

You are already known as someone who constantly tries to denounce that "video gaming isn't male space" by using yourself, a single goddamn person, as an example of how females have apparently had an equal share in gaming since the beginning. Holy shit. Do I really have to dig up the people who founded Nintendo, Sony, Atari, Sega, Activision/Blizzard, EA and every other company who has had the biggest stake in gaming since their invention? They were all men. It was, and still is, male space.
And that's where we come to female hypoagency, the tendency of females to push in onto male spaces as a result of the way nature/evolution designed them to.

I'll just leave you with this, you would be wise to watch every minute of it:

You found my post condescending only because you think like a typical feminist that the lady describes in the above video, she sums you (and every other feminist who has long since finished with the true feminist movements to equalize human rights such as voting).

It's scary how many people are ok with censorship.

Moonlight Butterfly:
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Take no heed of that man's empty boasts. He is delluded and denies apparent realities. He is simply demonstrating fake bravado to hide his crippling insecurities and impotence. To invest time in addressing his opinions is to waste time miserably. He already knows all too well, the sadness of his predicament. He can drop his petty act whenever he so desires. The fact he does not demonstrates his pitiful self-loathing and troubling psychological issues. You have better things to do.

So judging from all the times that you said "you" when addressing your audience in this video, I assume that this is a video for angry children that want attention on the internet, rather than thinking rational people who actually wanted a discussion and now can't have one because of what a minority has done.

Tippy:
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A: ITS NOT A MALE SPACE gaming does not belong to the male sex by some divine right and yeah I'm a single person and as we all know YOU ARE NEVER THE ONLY ONE. how many people are there out there that are exactly like me. Am I some sort of unique fucking unicorn.

B: I'm not interested in your misogynistic propaganda video. Hypoagency doesn't exist AT ALL because gender roles are bullshit. By your logic voting would have been a 'solely male space that women are unfairly trying to push into' as well right? How about books hmm? Before a certain time the only people who had books in England were monks so by your logic no one else should be allowed books ever, just monks yeah?

Oh and how many Japanese women were you expecting to get a corporate job in the 1970's exactly?

-.-

Lancertan:
so from all the times that you said "you" when addressing your audience in this video, I assume that this is a video for angry children on that want attention on the internet, rather than thinking rational people who actually wanted a discussion and now can't have one because of what a minority has done.

Have you never heard of the term "open letter"? Your reaction is indicative that you do not read enough serious work.

Revolutionaryloser:

Lancertan:
so from all the times that you said "you" when addressing your audience in this video, I assume that this is a video for angry children on that want attention on the internet, rather than thinking rational people who actually wanted a discussion and now can't have one because of what a minority has done.

Have you never heard of the term "open letter"? Your reaction is indicative that you do not read enough serious work.

I just find it frustrating that people who had a level headed stance in all this could only stand by and do nothing as it spiraled out of control. Simply following the events and then viewing videos like this only furthers the awful feeling of helplessness.

Long story short, I didn't mean to sound so indignant.

Lancertan:

Revolutionaryloser:

Lancertan:
so from all the times that you said "you" when addressing your audience in this video, I assume that this is a video for angry children on that want attention on the internet, rather than thinking rational people who actually wanted a discussion and now can't have one because of what a minority has done.

Have you never heard of the term "open letter"? Your reaction is indicative that you do not read enough serious work.

I just find it frustrating that people who had a level headed stance in all this could only stand by and do nothing as it spiraled out of control. Simply following the events and then viewing videos like this only furthers the awful feeling of helplessness.

While true that some wanted to express valid opinions, the events that unfolded illustrate deep problems in the gaming community. Before all else, these problems should be takled, for they are hindering our development as human beings. It is admirable and corageous that anybody should stand up to the troubled sociopaths that attacked Sarkeesian with irrational abuse. However, the number of people who did speak up was shamefully low. My advice is that you disassociate yourself as much as you can from the vile attackers that claim to represent the community. In the words of the good book "tell me who your friends are and i will tell you who you are". If you believe the actions of these people are wrong, you should not feel shame. If you truly believe there is another way to approach these problems, you must not give up and stand by those principles. Lead by example.

Revolutionaryloser:

While true that some wanted to express valid opinions, the events that unfolded illustrate deep problems in the gaming community. Before all else, these problems should be takled, for they are hindering our development as human beings. It is admirable and corageous that anybody should stand up to the troubled sociopaths that attacked Sarkeesian with irrational abuse. However, the number of people who did speak up was shamefully low. My advice is that you disassociate yourself as much as you can from the vile attackers that claim to represent the community. In the words of the good book "tell me who your friends are and i will tell you who you are". If you believe the actions of these people are wrong, you should not feel shame. If you truly believe there is another way to approach these problems, you must not give up and stand by those principles. Lead by example.

Ok, these are the sorts of posts I actually have the most problems with. You see, I don't *feel* as if we are fighting, but at the same time we are both clearly taking issue with what the other is saying. I don't think you trying to be rude, either, and that's what makes me want to reply, despite my better judgement. So rather than go through what you said point by point and tell you my problems with it (like how I never "associated" myself with the attackers) I will just stop myself here with the one thing I really want to tell you: It feels like since my very first post you have just been trying to put yourself above me and preach to me without really trying to get what I was saying. I find this funny as this whole thing is about poor communication on the internet.

Lancertan:

Revolutionaryloser:

While true that some wanted to express valid opinions, the events that unfolded illustrate deep problems in the gaming community. Before all else, these problems should be takled, for they are hindering our development as human beings. It is admirable and corageous that anybody should stand up to the troubled sociopaths that attacked Sarkeesian with irrational abuse. However, the number of people who did speak up was shamefully low. My advice is that you disassociate yourself as much as you can from the vile attackers that claim to represent the community. In the words of the good book "tell me who your friends are and i will tell you who you are". If you believe the actions of these people are wrong, you should not feel shame. If you truly believe there is another way to approach these problems, you must not give up and stand by those principles. Lead by example.

Ok, these are the sorts of posts I actually have the most problems with. You see, I don't *feel* as if we are fighting, but at the same time we are both clearly taking issue with what the other is saying. I don't think you trying to be rude, either, and that's what makes me want to reply, despite my better judgement. So rather than go through what you said point by point and tell you my problems with it (like how I never "associated" myself with the attackers) I will just stop myself here with the one thing I really want to tell you: It feels like since my very first post you have just been trying to put yourself above me and preach to me without really trying to get what I was saying. I find this funny as this whole thing is about poor communication on the internet.

I'm sorry for that impression. I'm trying a different style of writing. I'm attempting to wade past all the bullshit that stops us from having honest, rational conversations. By speaking factually and succinctly, I find it easier to illustrate core arguments.

Crono1973:

Revolutionaryloser:

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

If you complained too, and your reasons were valid, people would also run to support your cause.

You can't be that naive. People who complain about how men are portrayed on television do have valid complaints but they are ignored because men aren't a minority.

Is there a single way in which men are portrayed in television? That was not my understanding. I beg you, elaborate.

Moonlight Butterfly:
A: ITS NOT A MALE SPACE gaming does not belong to the male sex by some divine right and yeah I'm a single person and as we all know YOU ARE NEVER THE ONLY ONE. how many people are there out there that are exactly like me. Am I some sort of unique fucking unicorn.

You sorta are ^_^
There are many others like you, and "many" means nothing because in the grand scheme of things you're an absolute minority.

Moonlight Butterfly:
B: I'm not interested in your misogynistic propaganda video. Hypoagency doesn't exist AT ALL because gender roles are bullshit. By your logic voting would have been a 'solely male space that women are unfairly trying to push into' as well right? How about books hmm? Before a certain time the only people who had books in England were monks so by your logic no one else should be allowed books ever, just monks yeah?

Then you didn't see the part in the video where she explained the difference between what feminists were trying to accomplish in the past (voting and human rights) compared what they're trying to accomplish today. You didn't see the part where she talked about countries who are backwards/struggling due to having a wrong outlook on female rights.
Also don't twist my words, I never said they're "unfairly" trying to push into shit. They're just trying to push into shit, period. Like they always have done and always will do. It's not neccessarily a bad thing. The video explains it all, try to watch the full video instead of yelling "I DON'T WANNA" after the first 30 seconds, everything will make sense by the 27 minute mark. It shouldn't be hard considering the amount of time you have spent discussing this topic.
It's not mysoginist, it's simply a woman who understands.

Moonlight Butterfly:
Oh and how many Japanese women were you expecting to get a corporate job in the 1970's exactly?

-.-

You're totally right, we must look to more recent times.

Ubisoft: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft#History
Bioware: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BioWare#Company_history
Blizzard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_Entertainment#History
Activision: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activision#History
Valve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation#History
Bethesda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bethesda_Softworks
EA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Arts#History
Square Enix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square_Enix#Corporate_history
Microsoft (yes they make games): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Early_history

I really couldn't be fucked looking up any more companies because I know what I will find, lol. And I think you know what you will find as well.

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

Yeah. Women sure do COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING, and they get EVERYTHING they want to because people are pandering to them all the time. That's why almost everyone agrees that WOMEN ARE ON TOP, while the men never have things their way. TOTALLY BRO.

NightowlM:

Crono1973:
Here is something I have observed over my lifetime. Women complain about everything and the world changes to suit them, for good or for bad. I laugh when I see grown men allowing their priorities to be altered because TODAY women decided to scream about video games or movies or whatever. Politicians pander to women too because women complain about everything. The squeaky wheel gets the oil I guess.

Yeah. Women sure do COMPLAIN ABOUT EVERYTHING, and they get EVERYTHING they want to because people are pandering to them all the time. That's why almost everyone agrees that WOMEN ARE ON TOP, while the men never have things their way. TOTALLY BRO.

No shit? Women's life and safety has always been prioritized over men's life and safety. They are the most valued part of human race by the very virtue of being female lol.

Violence against women will always be cried out 10x louder than violence against men. "Think of the women and children!" people always say. Guess why?

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