No Right Answer: Best Female Protagonist in Science Fiction Ever

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esperandote:
I would say Connor but it's probably because i like T2 more than the Alien movies.

Realitycrash:
Sarah Connor. She seems more insanely determined ( la female Batman) than Ripley.
Sarah has a long-term plan. Sarah is in the game. Sarah buries weapons in her tomb because she's fucking prepared!.

I'm a Sarah Connor man all the way. She's thrust into the conflict and comes out aces, even inspiring her son John to be the big hero, well after her death. Ripley got a lot of character derailment in Alien 3, like killing everybody Ripley saved from Aliens, but that was one of many problems of that pile of suck.

That bit at the end's hilarious! "Katniss!" "GET OUT!"

I agree on the ice queen thing. If a character is emotionally closed off the whole time, the audience can't connect with them as a person, making them unlikable. Exhibit A: Lightning from FFXIII

My votes for awesome female leads from other media:
Video Games: Princess Farah from the Prince of Persia: Sands of Time trilogy
Anime: Major Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell

puff ball:
why has no one mentioned the fact that they both went for the same guy yet(Michael Biehn).
oh well my vote goes to ripely.

Interesting! Thanks for passing that tid bit along.

GamemasterAnthony:
Let's see...okay, Black Widow and the Bride were both mentioned, so that's taken care of.

DustyDrB:
What did Chris say at the end?

I believe he said "like Katniss", referring to the protagonist of The Hunger Games. Which would definitely explain the later comment to "GET OUT!" (Yeah...I think Hunger Games is really getting overexposed by now...)

CAPTCHA: drink milk

*laughs ass off considering the "milk robots" comments earlier*

Ah, all right. I've heard of the Hunger Games, just didn't know the name "Katniss". I thought he said "catnip".

I liked Ripley when she was just Ripley; No 'Ellen', and none of this "she used to have a daughter, but she died" crap - That was all added in the Aliens director's cut which fucking sucked. Also, Ripley's character was totally ruined in Alien 3 and 4.

So Sarah Conner it is.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I mean, if you look at the implications of both these characters, what are they? That in order for a woman to be badass, she has to be a maternal figure.

Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

Ellen Ripley wins this one in my opinion, however Sarah Connor is still a very good character. It is a shame that as it stands the only main female protagonist is Mila Jokovich in a film that is getting less and less like it's source material.

Chairman Miaow:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I mean, if you look at the implications of both these characters, what are they? That in order for a woman to be badass, she has to be a maternal figure.

Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

True, and I did try and allude to that. Personally, my favourite of the films is 3, simply because of how it subverts and plays with the maternal overtones of the second film.

The thing is though, as far as popular culture goes, Aliens for many people is Ellen Ripley. It doesn't matter that the first one was a superior horror film, and the third one a better continuation of the original's nihilistic themes. For most people, the second film with all its dakka-dakka gung-ho glory is the most famous film. And I don't particularly like the implications of the main female character getting all her badass strength and resolve by running around, constantly risking herself for some annoying little squirt.

But then, I've never been a big fan of Newt. Or children in general. So that might explain it. Still glad the little runt got killed off in the opening of 3 though.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Chairman Miaow:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I mean, if you look at the implications of both these characters, what are they? That in order for a woman to be badass, she has to be a maternal figure.

Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

True, and I did try and allude to that. Personally, my favourite of the films is 3, simply because of how it subverts and plays with the maternal overtones of the second film.

The thing is though, as far as popular culture goes, Aliens for many people is Ellen Ripley. It doesn't matter that the first one was a superior horror film, and the third one a better continuation of the original's nihilistic themes. For most people, the second film with all its dakka-dakka gung-ho glory is the most famous film. And I don't particularly like the implications of the main female character getting all her badass strength and resolve by running around, constantly risking herself for some annoying little squirt.

But then, I've never been a big fan of Newt. Or children in general. So that might explain it. Still glad the little runt got killed off in the opening of 3 though.

Wow, somebody who practically mirrors my feelings about 3. Before watching it, I had heard nothing about it, so was absolutely shocked to find it was almost universally loathed. And I get what you are saying about the second film being the face of the series, but that's just James Cameron for you, it isn't the fault of the character or the other film-makers.

meatshield:
River Song or River from firefly?

although she's engineered to be that dangerous my vote goes to river as well

Chairman Miaow:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Chairman Miaow:
Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

True, and I did try and allude to that. Personally, my favourite of the films is 3, simply because of how it subverts and plays with the maternal overtones of the second film.

The thing is though, as far as popular culture goes, Aliens for many people is Ellen Ripley. It doesn't matter that the first one was a superior horror film, and the third one a better continuation of the original's nihilistic themes. For most people, the second film with all its dakka-dakka gung-ho glory is the most famous film. And I don't particularly like the implications of the main female character getting all her badass strength and resolve by running around, constantly risking herself for some annoying little squirt.

But then, I've never been a big fan of Newt. Or children in general. So that might explain it. Still glad the little runt got killed off in the opening of 3 though.

Wow, somebody who practically mirrors my feelings about 3. Before watching it, I had heard nothing about it, so was absolutely shocked to find it was almost universally loathed.

The thing is with the Alien series is that Aliens is a very different film to Alien. Aliens is a big, shooty action film with a happy ending. Alien is a grim, oppressive horror film with a substantially less happy ending. People who moan about Alien 3 tend to be the ones who prefer Aliens the action film over Alien the horror film.

For myself, I think killing off Newt was the best thing Alien 3 did. In horror, no character should be deemed too sacred to kill off. And the Alien series works better as an exercise in grim, dark horror than it does as an excuse to get lots of beefcake gun-porn. It's not a perfect film, but I would put Alien 3 way above Aliens. It's got much better atmosphere. Indeed, that oppressive, bleak prison planet is one of the most atmospheric settings I can think of from any recent science fiction film. It's the sort of setting that suits the Alien series- a grim place where you have just as much to fear from the other humans as you do the Xenomorph.

And I get what you are saying about the second film being the face of the series, but that's just James Cameron for you, it isn't the fault of the character or the other film-makers.

True. I just personally weep that the most famous instalment of a groundbreaking horror series is the one with the least amount of horror in it.

...okay, that's a lie. Resurrection was pretty damn skimpy the horror (although that scene with the Ripley clones was pretty damn gut-churning). But Aliens is hardly a film to make you afraid to go to sleep with the lights off. The thing with Cameron is that he has decent ideas for stories and characters, then he loads them up with needless amounts of gun-porn and nukes.

Anyways, I'll definitely take Ripley over Sarah Connor any day. As you say, Ripley has characterisation other than "Must protect offspring!" Something which Connor lacks. I still think we need to see more female equivalents of guys like Mad Max or the Nameless Stranger. Badass women who aren't looking out for anyone but themselves. It's like film-makers are scared to admit that women can be just as selfish, morally ambiguous or sociopathic as men, so there always has to be some justification for why they're going round toting M16s and frag grenades.

Happy Getting Married Day, Kyle! I hope your wife can kick your ass and yet never decides to.

It was a fair win despite the shameful eyebrow-wiggling defeat. I think Kyle was set to win anyway. Good match.

Now excuse me because I haven't watched this series in a few months and will pick up the backlog now. @____@

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
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Ripley's motivation in Alien is quite simple, Survive. Aliens SHOULD have been about stopping Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on the Xenomorph, but unfortunately that took a backseat to the whole mothering thing. I think what makes Alien 3 great is that what's driving her actions is not just about surviving. at first it's all about her paranoia, and then about survival once it emerges there is a xenomorph. Then once she realises she has one inside her, she wants to give up and die. Then she's fighting to kill the Xenomorph before she does that to stop Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on it, and after a point to stop it killing all the inmates.

Obviously she is just one character in one film series, and it's amazing how hard it is to think of other strong female characters who aren't just a bag of tropes. I've seen people mention characters like Zoe and River from Firefly but they really are just throwing characteristics at a wall and seeing what sticks. That's not to say that Firefly is bad, because it's not. Joss Whedon really shines when it comes to character interaction, as the more mainstream conciousness saw with the avengers, but his characters themselves always lack any real depth.

I'm really struggling to think of any female characters from film, TV, games or even literature that have been truly interesting.

Chairman Miaow:

Ripley's motivation in Alien is quite simple, Survive. Aliens SHOULD have been about stopping Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on the Xenomorph, but unfortunately that took a backseat to the whole mothering thing. I think what makes Alien 3 great is that what's driving her actions is not just about surviving. at first it's all about her paranoia, and then about survival once it emerges there is a xenomorph. Then once she realises she has one inside her, she wants to give up and die. Then she's fighting to kill the Xenomorph before she does that to stop Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on it, and after a point to stop it killing all the inmates.

Obviously she is just one character in one film series, and it's amazing how hard it is to think of other strong female characters who aren't just a bag of tropes. I've seen people mention characters like Zoe and River from Firefly but they really are just throwing characteristics at a wall and seeing what sticks. That's not to say that Firefly is bad, because it's not. Joss Whedon really shines when it comes to character interaction, as the more mainstream conciousness saw with the avengers, but his characters themselves always lack any real depth.

I'm really struggling to think of any female characters from film, TV, games or even literature that have been truly interesting.

Personally, I've always dug Lara Croft. While you could certainly argue about whether she's overly sexualised or what have you, I just really like the fact that (in the early games at least) she's never portrayed as anything other than a highly capable woman doing what she does for her own amusement. There's no maternal instincts with Lara, no sense that she's only a badass because she's helping others. She's a self-serving girl who shoots beasties and raids temples for sport, and is damn good at it.

Revy from Black Lagoon is another interesting one. Again, no maternal instincts, which I like. She's easily one of the toughest characters in the show, but despite displaying a near psychopathic enjoyment for violence, she manages to come across as a somewhat decent character. In fact, the majority of the designated 'badass' characters in Black Lagoon are all women. There are very few men able to go up against the likes of Revy or Balalaika. Mostly, they're the beta-male types, like Rock or Benny, or they just stick to serving beers behind the bar. Well worth checking out if you want to see a different take on the whole 'girls with guns' idea.

Apart from that... I dunno. They're out there. It's just difficult to think of any female characters who have had the same impact on pop culture as Ripley and Connor, and personally I think that's a little worrying. Hopefully if we see more characters like Croft and Revy, then it will show people that you don't have to be a mother or a surrogate mother to justify being able to kick ass.

The Ripley guy so totally should have said "Ripley was a civilian on a military ship. When things went to hell SHE TOOK COMMAND and the marines said "YES MA'AM!" instead of "Wait, aren't you a civilian?"

Ripley wins, hands down.

Re: Firefly characters

I don't think there was enough depth to any of the three female characters on the show to really put them anywhere near Sarah Connor or Ellen Ripley. There were wonderful hints at things to come, but they were fairly two dimensional on both the show and the movie. River, in particular, was less a character and more a force of nature due to the lack of time for character development. Inara, Kaylee and Zoe were more fleshed out but the show didn't last long enough to get to their specific episodes, like it got to Jaynestown for Jayne as an example.

capcha: lawn giland

Bwha?

One of the frustrating things about this series is its (necessary) fixation on mass popular culture; the problem is that this direction tends to lead it towards the lowest common denominator.

Film is a pretty cool medium in many ways, but I wouldn't say that it's a good one to go to when looking for a "best character", female or otherwise; I wouldn't count either Ripley or Sarah Connor in a top twenty of best female SF protagonists, because existing SF literature probably takes at least nineteen out of those twenty spots without even breaking a sweat.

Consider just a few examples:

Sharrow (Against A Dark Background, Iain M. Banks)
Ilia Volyova (Revelation Space, Alastair Reynolds)
Verity Auger (Century Rain, Reynolds)
Morn Hyland (The Gap Cycle, Stephen Donaldson)
Gillian Baskin (The Uplift novels, David Brin)
Rolery (Planet of Exile, Ursula K. Le Guin)

(I'd really love to list Estraven from The Left Hand of Darkness here, but I figure that Estraven isn't sufficiently female to really qualify)

This is just a short list of characters from my favourite authors; a comprehensive and unbiased list would be much, much longer.

But of course there wouldn't be any point in running an episode featuring things that 99% of the audience weren't already intimately familiar with, so no dice. More's the pity.

Chairman Miaow:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I mean, if you look at the implications of both these characters, what are they? That in order for a woman to be badass, she has to be a maternal figure.

Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

both films were from james cameron. Im sick of (hey guys there are more than one movies that have this chick doing this for this so it must be a univeral implication) bullshit. Its not. They do not imply that All women need a baby to be threatened to be tough. they dont "imply" anything. By hunger games 2 am I to assume that if a woman wants to be durp badass she needs a bow an arrow????

edit:Its sits odd that selfless, maternal, and does for others are considered trite but does it for her own gain is not???

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Chairman Miaow:

Ripley's motivation in Alien is quite simple, Survive. Aliens SHOULD have been about stopping Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on the Xenomorph, but unfortunately that took a backseat to the whole mothering thing. I think what makes Alien 3 great is that what's driving her actions is not just about surviving. at first it's all about her paranoia, and then about survival once it emerges there is a xenomorph. Then once she realises she has one inside her, she wants to give up and die. Then she's fighting to kill the Xenomorph before she does that to stop Weyland-Yutani getting their hands on it, and after a point to stop it killing all the inmates.

Obviously she is just one character in one film series, and it's amazing how hard it is to think of other strong female characters who aren't just a bag of tropes. I've seen people mention characters like Zoe and River from Firefly but they really are just throwing characteristics at a wall and seeing what sticks. That's not to say that Firefly is bad, because it's not. Joss Whedon really shines when it comes to character interaction, as the more mainstream conciousness saw with the avengers, but his characters themselves always lack any real depth.

I'm really struggling to think of any female characters from film, TV, games or even literature that have been truly interesting.

Personally, I've always dug Lara Croft. While you could certainly argue about whether she's overly sexualised or what have you, I just really like the fact that (in the early games at least) she's never portrayed as anything other than a highly capable woman doing what she does for her own amusement. There's no maternal instincts with Lara, no sense that she's only a badass because she's helping others. She's a self-serving girl who shoots beasties and raids temples for sport, and is damn good at it.

Revy from Black Lagoon is another interesting one. Again, no maternal instincts, which I like. She's easily one of the toughest characters in the show, but despite displaying a near psychopathic enjoyment for violence, she manages to come across as a somewhat decent character. In fact, the majority of the designated 'badass' characters in Black Lagoon are all women. There are very few men able to go up against the likes of Revy or Balalaika. Mostly, they're the beta-male types, like Rock or Benny, or they just stick to serving beers behind the bar. Well worth checking out if you want to see a different take on the whole 'girls with guns' idea.

Apart from that... I dunno. They're out there. It's just difficult to think of any female characters who have had the same impact on pop culture as Ripley and Connor, and personally I think that's a little worrying. Hopefully if we see more characters like Croft and Revy, then it will show people that you don't have to be a mother or a surrogate mother to justify being able to kick ass.

while I disagree with this emphasis on the self serviing badass you seem to love another example is Karen Joshua from mobile suit gundam: 8th mobile suit team.

Question - why are all the female protagonists who are considered "the best" only ones who are displaying their physical prowess? Is kicking physical ass and acting "macho" the only way a female can get noticed? To prove that they can kick just as much ass as a man, therefore that's what makes them a strong female protagonist? Strength can be more than just physical.

Why is the ability to shoot guns, kick balls, etc noted as such an important factor that makes a female protagonist decent?

For example, I could rant off many AMAZING male protagonists who don't kick a single ass or lift a finger, displaying their psychological/emotional strength instead.

Example: Lelouch from Code Geass.
Piss-weak physically (he can't even run like 50 meters or throw a punch), but smart enough to command entire battalions to do his bidding, convince bad guys to turn good, convince people to do his fighting and sacrifice their lives for him, turn the tide of war with mere words - even without his Geass ability! Now THAT'S a protagonist.

Also, House. How can anyone not love that guy?

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Meanwhile in females we're getting Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor, Lara Croft, Revy, Black Widow, etc etc. Sigh.

No! Why did you have to mention hunger games things were going so well.
OT: Good debate I loved the premature spit take. As long as he doesn't mention Catniss again bring on Chris for the Poke'gen episode =]

Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor together... I'm sure someone has allready written that fanfic.

sorry fellas,
HATE correcting smart people (naaaa j/k I LOVE IT) - BUT we are A SPECIES its not the human RACE - biggest misnoma EVA.............OOOOOOOOO that could be another episode....althought might be hard useing stuff like that for a full episode ;)

I give my vote to Ripley. Not because I dislike Sarah Connor, she's a stone cold badass and that is half her problem. She's become (with good reason) an emotional cripple who drove her own son away and lacks any ability to interact with normal people.

Maybe Ripley is famous for basically being an over protective mother.....so fucking what? It isn't her fault (or James Cameron's for that matter) that no one has bothered to say "That was kind of cool, but lets try it this way" in the 30 odd years since Aliens came out. Physical strength is the only way, exactly how much mental fortitude do you think it took a basically untrained civilian to tool the fuck up and jump into the lion's den because she refused to let an 8 year old suffer such a terrible fate.

I don't give a fuck what your motivation is, that's hardcore with heart.

Although the lack of Vasquez on this list displeases me :(

Interesting Topic, I'd also suggest a follow up with a TV series version

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Starbuck All the way for kicking Ass

I was almost disappointed that there was such an early spit-take!

Dan really needs to get his mind out of the gutter if he is going to survive debates like this. Although I did laugh way harder than I probably should have once Dan started looking around...

rbstewart7263:

while I disagree with this emphasis on the self serviing badass you seem to love another example is Karen Joshua from mobile suit gundam: 8th mobile suit team.

My issue is that male action heroes can be incredibly popular, while still being as selfish, amoral or psychotic as they like. Just look at the likes of Mad Max, or Rorschach. Utterly insane individuals, acting on their own selfish interests, yet they've got millions of fans around the world.

For a woman to have that kind of popular appeal, they cannot be selfish. They have to be selfless instead. Which is why the Mama Wolf trope is so popular. A woman who is physically strong and capable is seen as threatening if she's acting purely for her own interests. If she has some helpless sprog she's supposed to be protecting, however, that somehow makes her strength seem justified to the audience.

The reason I like self-serving examples of female characters is because women are every bit as nuanced, chaotic and different as men. Just as men can be caring, soft-hearted individuals, women can also be stone-hearted, ruthless killers. Yet in Hollywood, there's this seeming notion that all the ruthless amoral action hero types can only be men, and women (for the most part) are always selfless types who only go round kicking arse because they've got something they're trying to protect.

Hi guys, now, I know my example here might not be to everyone's tastes, but I think considering the high calibre of folks here, it's safe to mention Judge Dredd 3D with Karl Urban and the utterly fantastic Olivia Thirlby as rookie Judge Anderson.

She's not a shrinking violet, she's nervous at first (if you know Dredd at all, you would be)
but you actually see her show her steel spine as the movie progresses and its backed up by this genuine believable motivation, too.
-She doesn't despise the people living in Mega City 1 like a lot of Judges do, she believes she can actually make a difference to their lives.

EDIT

Also, great back and forth this week guys! I think you've really hit your stride.

rbstewart7263:

Chairman Miaow:

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I mean, if you look at the implications of both these characters, what are they? That in order for a woman to be badass, she has to be a maternal figure.

Just thought I would pick at this. Ripley only has a maternal role in Aliens and Alien Resurrection, which is a steaming pile of shit. Alien and Alien 3 (my favourites, despite the bad reputation 3 has) have no maternal motifs at all.

both films were from james cameron. Im sick of (hey guys there are more than one movies that have this chick doing this for this so it must be a univeral implication) bullshit. Its not. They do not imply that All women need a baby to be threatened to be tough. they dont "imply" anything. By hunger games 2 am I to assume that if a woman wants to be durp badass she needs a bow an arrow????

edit:Its sits odd that selfless, maternal, and does for others are considered trite but does it for her own gain is not???

Not sure why you are quoting me here....

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Chairman Miaow:
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Personally, I've always dug Lara Croft. While you could certainly argue about whether she's overly sexualised or what have you, I just really like the fact that (in the early games at least) she's never portrayed as anything other than a highly capable woman doing what she does for her own amusement. There's no maternal instincts with Lara, no sense that she's only a badass because she's helping others. She's a self-serving girl who shoots beasties and raids temples for sport, and is damn good at it.

Revy from Black Lagoon is another interesting one. Again, no maternal instincts, which I like. She's easily one of the toughest characters in the show, but despite displaying a near psychopathic enjoyment for violence, she manages to come across as a somewhat decent character. In fact, the majority of the designated 'badass' characters in Black Lagoon are all women. There are very few men able to go up against the likes of Revy or Balalaika. Mostly, they're the beta-male types, like Rock or Benny, or they just stick to serving beers behind the bar. Well worth checking out if you want to see a different take on the whole 'girls with guns' idea.

Apart from that... I dunno. They're out there. It's just difficult to think of any female characters who have had the same impact on pop culture as Ripley and Connor, and personally I think that's a little worrying. Hopefully if we see more characters like Croft and Revy, then it will show people that you don't have to be a mother or a surrogate mother to justify being able to kick ass.

It's interesting that you mention Lara Croft. A lot of people seem to like the change in Lara from busty badass to inexperienced submissive nerd wet dream adventurer. My Girlfriend absolutely loathed it. She's gone from what you describe to.... well. I'm sure you've seen the articles about the developers wanting you to "protect" her. Regardless of the way she was shaped she was an empowering figure.

Well...there's a nuance in the debate that seems to be getting overlooked. A badass, self serving character could be anyone. Since their only motivation is themselves then their sex becomes an irrelevant variable. Why characters like that are usually portrayed by males rather than females I think comes down to other reasons outside of the scripts (inequality of jobs, some sort of discrimination,e tc). It's also a problem, but in principle it wouldn't matter if the character is male or female. To have a female badass character then you probably have to add the most obvious thing that makes women females and not males: pregnancy. I'd like to so say motherhood since it's the progression from birth, but there's there's also fatherhood. On that note, also, how many badass daddies are out there, eh? Isn't it just as trite that male action heroes are normally single, childless, and dettached, or if they aren't these added characteristics seem to bear no weight on their badassery? Of course, I may not know of many examples of badass daddies, but then again that means they're not iconic.

shiajun:
Well...there's a nuance in the debate that seems to be getting overlooked. A badass, self serving character could be anyone. Since their only motivation is themselves then their sex becomes an irrelevant variable. Why characters like that are usually portrayed by males rather than females I think comes down to other reasons outside of the scripts (inequality of jobs, some sort of discrimination,e tc). It's also a problem, but in principle it wouldn't matter if the character is male or female. To have a female badass character then you probably have to add the most obvious thing that makes women females and not males: pregnancy. I'd like to so say motherhood since it's the progression from birth, but there's there's also fatherhood. On that note, also, how many badass daddies are out there, eh? Isn't it just as trite that male action heroes are normally single, childless, and dettached, or if they aren't these added characteristics seem to bear no weight on their badassery? Of course, I may not know of many examples of badass daddies, but then again that means they're not iconic.

How about Liam Neeson from Taken for badass dad? Or Bruce Willis from dir hard 4? Both of their motivations at one point were to save their kids, and they do so with much baddass-dom.

samahain:
Until a movie is made about "SOULLESS", my vote goes to Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow.
I just watched it and I'm biased; still I rarely seen someone poison a brain with her words that way. In a vinyl suit.

"SOULLESS". Don't judge. Read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soulless_(novel)

Black Widow? AKA Generical Male Fantasy Number 239?
Get out.

chiefohara:
Interesting Topic, I'd also suggest a follow up with a TV series version

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Starbuck All the way for kicking Ass

THANK YOU. I came in here and was saddened that it took someone this long to mention Starbuck. She's insubordinate, she's obnoxious, she's cocky...and she's totally awesome. The writers did a pretty good job of making her have a human side without making that human side weak and whiny, as writers of supposedly "bad ass" female characters are wont to do.

Captcha: squeaky clean
*just got out of shower*
Oh my god it's watching. >.>

Did he say Katniss? Did he diss Katniss?! Really?

Ok, yeah, The Hunger Games is receiving a lot of attention right now, like Harry potter did and like Twilight did. But you gotta admit Katniss can kick butt. Like she says, she's there to survive, to kick everyone's ass, not to make friends. She would literally sacrifice herself for her loved ones not because she's purely selfless but because she knows she's got a better chance at kicking butt than everyone else. She's confident too! And we also see her break down several times so she's also human (You know what I mean).

Anyway...I go with Sarah Connor. The normal 80s woman who was forced to become a fearless warrior and raised the savior of humanity.

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