Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

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Jimothy Sterling:
I watched a few episodes of High School of the Dead. I spent the whole time telling myself to be ashamed of how much I sort-of-kind-of enjoyed it in all its awfulness.

Did you ever try Hellsing? It's like that tits scene, but on the violence side of the crazy coin.

This episode was weird.

I liked it.

I think realism is the wrong word to use when talking about DOA or any fighting game really. I'm completely okay with the tits of DOA a long as the devs don't try to pretend that it's anything more then either cheap wank material or a stupid joke.

I think I'd be embarrassed to buy one of these games...

Gordon Freemonty:
Jim, thanks for making me momentarily fall out with my girlfriend.

Great video though.

This is a story that demands it be told.

ex275w:

I think you are taking this a little personally.

It's not about the breast size, it's about Team Ninja creating female characters that don't exist in the uncanny valley. The girls could be more appealing if they didn't remind me of cheap Sex Dolls.

It's about Team Ninja blaming everyone else for people not liking the bad parts of their games, instead of them, who created the bad parts themselves.

It's about Team Ninja not being culturally sensitive and trying to compete in the market and them being surprised at other cultures not agreeing with them.

The point of the video is exposing the weak points of Team Ninja and they are welcome to take them and improve their products for a wider audience. In the end, everyone will win.

Let me ask you this question. How is it "bad"? This focus on the negative and thus should be changed logically does not make sense. When you have a product you need to know how to advertise it to the demographic you want because the franchise has existed for so long it's pretty clear cut that they actually like to develop a fighting game that has earned the respect of players to be the way it is.

Also they don't have to be culturally sensitive. If anything the only way we really have learned about other countries culture for better or for worse is when we let the culture be the culture it is. We don't learn everything by basically being cultural imperialists where you demand a company take on the burden of being representative of an entire culture that honestly is so microscopic that it really should be left up to the actual representatives such as religions and the government and the holidays they choose to revere.

Also your last point doesn't make sense. The DOA franchise has always been a successful franchise because they have always improved on the actual core of the game which is the fighting and they have as I stated before have constantly reduced the breast size of all the DOA women from game to game and yet people still complain and want them smaller and smaller. Hard fact is that the video game religious right here don't actually do any research but once again run along with the internet meme that the DOA women have the largest breasts in video games. The real problem here is that people like Jim and the video game version of the religious right feel some moral obligation or authority to demand that games be designed to be super realistic and be respectful to all races, genders religions regardless of the actual wishes of the developers who put their actual financial security on the line to make their product successful.

EDIT: I should note that their marketing for DOA this time is "I'm a fighter". Also the one time that Tecmo actually did their look at my breasts was because of the new technology in the PS3 controllers with the release of Ninja Gaiden 2, you know when the console was new and developers could show what exactly even in the most hilarious way they could do with the technology. I mean the companies marketing department makes fun of their own franchise and fans.

I thought we would be over moralizing over these kinds of things by now. Like Jim, I also personally find the team-ninja game to be extremely unsexy and rather low and I do find them rather laughable and stupid and immature, but I think that about alot of things. I thought it was stupid that the Tomb Raider-games had to have a heroine with enourmos cans as well, but it just doesn't bother me. If all games where like that? Sure, it would bother me. But they aren't, and never will be because peoples tastes differ. If some studio want to make games like that and find a market of people wanting to play them, so let them. What does it matter? Porn will always exist, and this is just borderline porn dressed up as a game, but so what?

I've never payed much mind to the DoA series, but what kind of irks me is how the massive breasts and weird physics has went from "Cool, boobs," to, "oh god wtf this is just sick whats wrong with u team ninja," in the past year or two. Why the sudden change in attitude? I sure didn't see anyone complaining when DoA4 came out a couple years ago and hell I didn't see a whole lot on that ridiculous beach volleyball game either.

And while I can understand criticizing Team Ninja for trying to make piss poor excuses instead of just being upfront on how they make their games, I don't really understand the point of criticizing them over these things in the first place when Team Ninja's style has ALWAYS been like that. They're not hurting anybody, and if you're really opposed to how they're representing women then just don't buy their games.

I can't help but to sigh after this. Honestly who gives a fuck about tits not behaving naturally in DOA? They won't change it and even if they do it wouldn't actually matter on the game industry. And the way you acted grossed out was kinda unexpected, it is someone's fetish and it's not even that weird compared to other stuff people beat off to...

I like it more when you talk about important things.

I really think that Fleshlight is missing something. Perhaps a photo of Jonathan Holmes glued to it?

BEWBIES!!!!!!

:P Now that that's out of the way, I understand where Jim is coming from with this, but the "cultural explination" actually does hold some water. On the first page of comments I see someone has already posted the legendary High School of the Dead Bullet Boobie Dance and there-in lies the point. They don't water down their anime which is loaded with gratuitous amounts of...ahem, "Fan Service" when they release said anime for international markets. For crying out loud, Adult Swim used to have a bump featuring a pic of a Japanese subway train going into a tunnel that is being straddled by a giant statue of an anime school girl.

It IS part of their culture. I'm not saying we have to accept or even like that it's part of their culture, but there's a pretty large difference between a country that has oversexualized fantasies about younger girls with disproportionate physiques and a country that mutilates the genitals of females. One is something you can "tolerate" because it's a culture different from your own, the other is something you condemn because they're bringing active physical harm to other human beings.

Look, Dead or Alive is known for one thing: "jiggle physics". Granted, this new interpretation of physics defies the laws of gravity and friction, but just like in anime: it's all "fan service". People don't buy Dead or Alive games because they REALLY love playing paper-rock-scissors and wanted that to be translated into a fighting game. No, they buy it because it's paper-rock-scissors with big honkin' breasts. Don't like it? Well then you likely don't buy or play Dead or Alive games.

Now the Dead or Alive volleyball games, on the other hand, are straight-up masturbation material and anyone claiming to buy those for any reason other than that is a damn dirty liar. :P

MatParker116:
Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.

I tried to watch Gurren Lagann, but I couldn't get past the first episode. I used to be able to resist fan service and pandering better, but now it feels so freaking stupid.

Some days ago friends of mine were talking about HSOTD saying it was awesome, and it may be, but with that level of fan service I won't be able to watch it.

Shame :(

ForgottenPr0digy:
first it was a huge purple dildo bat and then Bad dragon dildos and now we have fleshlights

Is Jim sterling trying to tell us something?? That he masturbates is a fleshlight and uses huge bad dragon dildos??

EDIT: is DOA 5 any good? Has it finally become a true fighting game?

Best DOA game ever. And I loved DOA4. It feels like a smoother and more refined Tekken. Best 3D fighter on the market right now (and 2nd best fighter behind SSF4:AE:2012). Lots of improvements across the board.

Was going to post a video but i can't, so nothing.

ForgottenPr0digy:
first it was a huge purple dildo bat and then Bad dragon dildos and now we have fleshlights

Is Jim sterling trying to tell us something?? That he masturbates is a fleshlight and uses huge bad dragon dildos??

I wasn't even aware he ever used something from bad dragon as a prop. I thought that site was just an elaborate joke.

First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.

Seriously, he's wrong this time. There's nothing wrong with having a fetish for unrealistic boobs. But there is something wrong with promoting hate and intolerance towards people with that fetish. What have we ever done to you?

And no, there's nothing wrong with selling that game internationally either. If you don't like Dead or Alive's breast physics, then guess what? Dead or Alive wasn't designed for you. It was designed for me. Don't impose your morals and your preferences on a demographic that isn't yours. Jim seems to be implying that every game ever made has to be designed to be marketable to everybody, and that's just silly.

So to recap:
-There's nothing wrong with having a fetish, even a fetish for big, unrealistic bouncy breasts. Fetishism is not a choice and being intolerant of a person based on his fetish is as bad as being intolerant of a person based on his sexual orientation. If the fetish isn't hurting anybody, you have no right to promote hate against it.
-There's nothing wrong with selling the game internationally. If you don't like the physics, then the game wasn't made for you. It was made for those of us who do like the physics.

Seriously Jim? Pretending to throw up near the end? Calling the Dead or Alive girls "kids"? For Petesake. You used to be logical. That's just tacky.

There seems to be a lot of generalization in this thread about Japanese tastes. Let's be careful about what we're critiquing here and the words we use. I'm not seeing any credit given to folks in Japan for being self-aware or having a sense of humor and in my experience folks there were possessed of an abundance of both those virtues.

Not to knock what Jim's saying - he was speaking specifically to Team Ninja and addressing specific things they'd said. Fair enough, thank god for Jim, etc etc.

But FWIW, I always figured the admittedly odd jiggle physics were an attempt by programmers to simulate something real, not unlike the Sims attempt to simulate human behavior. I don't actually think anyone figured they got it 'right' and I've always thought criticisms along the lines of 'have they never seen a real woman' to be needlessly mean-spirited. Programming is tough, and someone here is taking a crack at making a physics engine simulate organic movement.

Climbing out of the uncanny valley is incredibly hard and I'm not sure I can fault folks who, midway through their efforts, start chuckling at how ludicrious what they're doing is and decide to go silly instead of real. I have absolutely no proof that this is what happened, but it jives better with my understanding of how people work than "Oh, those whacky Japanese with their crazy sex fetishes, if only they were enlightened like us."

I bought DoA5 today and its awesome.
While the jiggle physics are ridiculous, agreed. The sexual stuff seems to have been toned down quite a bit, the new character Mira is fairly covered and doesn't seem that "big", Christie wears a bra rather then a glued on jacket and the casual clothing outfits look like something you'd actually wear.

Really, the pervyness of these games has never really bothered me, its easy to ignore. The only time they have bothered me is when the developers choose it over the story. Like in DoA4 when you complete the game with the main character Kasumi I was expecting some ending video against her clone, but no, we got some retarded mermaid scene that had nothing to do with anything.

This game (and dimensions) seems a lot more story focused so far and I'm enjoying it. If the ending is another God damn mermaid scene though, I'll never defend this title again ~_~

Tenmar:
I don't even have to listen to your entire episode to realize that Jim is just jumping on the bandwagon where every video game should be based on super realism and if it isn't realistic it shouldn't be made anymore.

No I think he's just jumping on his opinion of "The breast physics are completely unappealing and why the hell would you even want breasts to move like that?"

Maybe you should, like, actually watch the video before you put words in someone else's mouth and attack them like they said that.

EDIT: BTW, I don't understand the whole "Japanese Culture" thing. Taste in breast size seems to be extremely polarized with most of the popular anime coming out today featuring girls with flat chests, and people backlashing because fanartists increase the breast size of their favorite characters.

To say super huge breasts and breast physics are a part of Japanese culture may just be Team Ninja trying to use other's ignorance to defend their actions (at Japan's expense)

This is exactly why I can't watch anime newer than say cowboy bebop. You just can't find one made in the last 20 years that doesn't have at least one portion of it sexualizing adolescents. And adolescents is being generous. Most anime has a very strong pedo vibe to it.

A friend of mine wanted to get to me to show me some he liked and I told him I would watch it if it didn't have any panty shots or worse. And he couldn't find any.

The team ninja guy is right that fetishization of breasts on kids is a product of japanese culture and I counter with my opinion that this specific portion of the culture is degenerate and should be minimized instead of celebrated.

I guess it's just another fetish, like those people who like dolls and such, but a company trying to sell us a fetish as a "cutlure"? Really?
Also, as a fan of TTGL, I have nothing against Gainaxing if it's not overdone, but making it into the focus of entire games is just too much.

From a horribly shot unscripted dude with a dodgy mic to freakin' Mini Willem Dafoe's head in a fleshlight!

Now THAT's entertainment!

People grow up, their hormones die down and then complain about stuff that are blatantly for teenagers. Every generation has teenagers, the industry is not just for your age demographic.

Tenmar:

ex275w:

I think you are taking this a little personally.

It's not about the breast size, it's about Team Ninja creating female characters that don't exist in the uncanny valley. The girls could be more appealing if they didn't remind me of cheap Sex Dolls.

It's about Team Ninja blaming everyone else for people not liking the bad parts of their games, instead of them, who created the bad parts themselves.

It's about Team Ninja not being culturally sensitive and trying to compete in the market and them being surprised at other cultures not agreeing with them.

The point of the video is exposing the weak points of Team Ninja and they are welcome to take them and improve their products for a wider audience. In the end, everyone will win.

Let me ask you this question. How is it "bad"? This focus on the negative and thus should be changed logically does not make sense. When you have a product you need to know how to advertise it to the demographic you want because the franchise has existed for so long it's pretty clear cut that they actually like to develop a fighting game that has earned the respect of players to be the way it is.

Also they don't have to be culturally sensitive. If anything the only way we really have learned about other countries culture for better or for worse is when we let the culture be the culture it is. We don't learn everything by basically being cultural imperialists where you demand a company take on the burden of being representative of an entire culture that honestly is so microscopic that it really should be left up to the actual representatives such as religions and the government and the holidays they choose to revere.

Also your last point doesn't make sense. The DOA franchise has always been a successful franchise because they have always improved on the actual core of the game which is the fighting and they have as I stated before have constantly reduced the breast size of all the DOA women from game to game. The real problem here is that people like Jim and the video game version of the religious right feel some moral obligation or authority to demand that games be designed to be super realistic and be respectful to all races, genders religions regardless of the actual wishes of the developers who put their actual financial security on the line to make their product successful.

It's bad because the female characters look unappealing and might be considered by many sexist or immature and people don't want to buy products that they find unappealing, sexist or immature. It's increasing the audience by doing a small action, you don't have to dumb down the game or remove the boobs, just make them charming.

Sure you don't need to be culturally sensitive to release something to international markets but you can't be surprised that if you include a Mexican racist caricature, a lot of Mexicans will be pissed off, sure include it, but be expected to receive criticism. Acting surprised and blaming people for being offended when that happens is just acting like a baby. Even worse, your casual racism or sexism that occurs in your culture isn't the best part of your culture to showcase in your games, especially if it's released everywhere.

Sure then can improve on the franchise's mechanics I'm not debating that. Team Ninja needs to learn criticism and not blame others for their mistakes. Jim is not trying to censor anyone, nor trying to imply every game needs to be Politically Correct or cater to his needs, he is just saying the DOA girls are creepy as shit. Besides why wouldn't you normally be respectful to other cultures, races, sexes, religions, and genders. When you are criticizing something like a religion, you are being respectful, even if you can't believe that.

teh_Canape:

MatParker116:

teh_Canape:

the location of that "Play" logo is really fucking convenient if you ask me

There is a bathroom scene in that anime that I cannot post because it is softcore hentai.

would be surprised if it WASN'T softcore hentai
and I don't even watch the show XD

I watched it and even though I caught up in the action at that moment looking back at that scene screams WTF and HOW THE F*** IS THAT POSSIBLE especially being able to dodge a .50 cal shot by hopping over it and dodging it by you swaying boobage....I don't what to say anymore about HOTD...

Belated:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.

A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!

I remember in the fourth grade, when I and my friend have played DoA demo on PS, we were very confused by jumping breasts. Today it looks already familiar and common, heh

Jimothy Sterling:

Belated:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.

A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!

A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred.
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.

Well he said at the expo he knew all about breast physics and he really backed it up.

"Plastic children" - Desperately grasping for a demonized (rightfully) buzz word that doesn't remotely apply. No one looks at DoA girls and thinks, oh what a well endowed child. Your better than that, that's Fox News territory. These are blatantly not pre-teen or early teen models, maybe mid at a reach, if Japan wants you to see a child in porn you'll know it.

Lets face it, this is interactive soft porn. Are you going to go to a porn studio and rant about how big man parts objectify and enforce untrue information about the average man? This is a fantasy game, it's meant for... ::drum roll::... fantasizing. Reality doesn't belong just as much as when your day dreaming about William Dafoe.

Boob render quality - If you don't like one soft porn mag, buy another or don't buy one at all. Team Ninja doesn't owe you your personal brand of realistic jiggle physics and size. They're attempting to supply a particular type of fantasy to a niche market who enjoys it and they've put their time in to produce it.

I feel this is coming from anger about indoctrinating a ridiculous visual standard, please look at it this way...

Porn is like candy and candy will always be around. It's bad for you but it's fun once in a while and if you become disappointed that all food doesn't taste like candy then sooner or later you'll get hit by the reality bus. This is the natural progression of maturity inherit in all experiences and it doesn't make liking candy wrong. Your problem is with a brand of candy you have no taste for and an assumption that everyone's grasp on reality is extremely fragile, grow up.

P.S. Love all your thought provoking videos! :)

NinjaDeathSlap:

DVS BSTrD:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...

You just witnessed High School of the Dead. The show itself is weird and over the top that it makes it awesome.

MatParker116:
Those breasts made me feel queasy. Also the sexualisation in HSOTD totally ruins the atmosphere.

Well at least the HOSTD creator flat out said he liked big t*** instead of making excuses like team ninja does. Meh I'm going to disagree with you Jim there just cgi fictional charter and I know breast don't work this way IRL and still find them attractive on a few levels. Hey if you don't that's cool and we all have reasons why >_>

These are in no way children's bodies. Sorry, you're completely wrong there.

They, or rather IT (there's only one body type honestly) is around the age of 17-25. The faces yeah, you can argue that they're childlike, but not the bodies.

The boobs themselves are also disappointing, since they all appear to be one size and with terrible physics. At least have some size variety FFS,

I agree with the overall sentiment of the video, but that one plain falsehood (children's bodies) ruins its impact.

Belated:

Jimothy Sterling:

Belated:
First minute in, and Jim becomes a hypocrite.
"It's okay to have any fetish you want. Except this harmless one about boob physics, because I think it's weird."
Are you kidding me Jim? And I loved you so much.

A) The first part was mostly intended for humor.
B) Even if I'd intended it to be taken at face value, it's not really hypocritical to say that you're for most forms of sexual expression, but find a few unsavory.
C) Seriously, look at those tits. And they're on plastic kids.
D) LOOK AT THEM!

A) Fair enough.
B) Actually in this case, yes it is. It's wrong to rag on people for something they can't help. If it's harming nobody, and it's not a choice, then all you're doing is spreading unwarranted hatred.
C) Oh I'm looking at them all right. And don't make me laugh. Those girls aren't kids. You're a kid until you're 13. Then you're a teenager until you're 20. For some reason at some point somebody decided that 18 is the cutoff number for pedophilia. If, God forbid, a 17 or 16 year old girl should blossom early, and you DARE find her attractive, you're somehow a sick person. I don't think I need to explain why this concept is stupid.
D) Still looking. Fetishist pride, baby! We're here, we're weird, get used to it.

B) You're arguing now that it's WRONG. Not that it's hypocritical.
C) They have the faces of porcelain children.

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