Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

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oh yes. One big problem with not being allowed to pander to your demographic... Is like saying CoD and Halo should not pander to their demographic. The only reason games like CoD, Halo, and Mortal Kombat get more of an "okay" to exist internationally is because violence is more acceptable medium than nudity or porn. I played and own DoA5. I greatly appreciate the effort they put into both animation and game mechanics. I LOVE the fact that it is difficult to pull off an infinite combo, unless it's a glitch/bug, in that game. Nearly everything can be countered. I have played Tekken, own 3, 4, 5, 6 and for sure "love" my character taking 50%+ health damage from a single combo that cannot be stopped once started.

DoA5 may not be perfect by far. But I enjoyed it far more than tekken for punishing "spam a combo".

p.s. If a person wants to show how miss guided a developer is, use footage from the current game. Especially since the old director is gone. :P Kinda difficult to prove your example when those games already look dated compared to DoA5.

Hey let me use Tekken 1 and 2 to prove how wonky Tekken 3 will look like -_-.

LobsterFeng:

dangoball:
Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:

And this is what they mean by HUGE.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!

It's funny, I see people get defensive about these things and say stuff like "It's bad to generalize that all Japanese media is like that." But it's hard not to when it seems to pop up in almost all anime and such.

Take One Piece for example. It's the most popular anime/manga in Japan right now (for good reasons, it really is quite good) but even One Piece gives its female characters ridiculous breast sizes.

I mean look at the character Nami for example:

...This is all for educational purposes of course...

That Nami is nothing compared to the movies:

I have said before that you cannot put an American (or in Jim's case British) on something that is not American (or in Jim's case British) HOWEVER...

I have to agree that using culture and your fans as an excuse/reason is unacceptable.

Now some of you who know ME would say "Wait a minute Prickly... I've seen your work; Who are you to talk?"

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That's true but I do it for one reason and one reason only... I like women with BIG BOOBS, end of story.

Hmm, culture topics are a risky feat to tackle Jim but I can't blame you for that since some morals or actions taken in different countries don't seem right to me. I'm not going to judge someone from a different country who likes eating cats while here we have cats as pets- but I will be calling out people who stone women for merely speaking out their minds.

It's sad how these games like Dead or Alive focus on making the breasts appealing when all they do is make reality break while making me feel it's WAY to sexual to bear. I'm not even into breast physics or the appeal of female characters being sexy.. I just want a female protagonist who I can take seriously and be seen as a person overall. Most people would agree we need more serious female characters then the bystander who has big breasts and does things just so we can get a 'shot' at what they're wearing underneath. It's to much.

Joking aside, what I am to gather from this video is that Jim's OPINION/PREFERENCE = FACT/TEMPLATE FOR HOW THE WORLD SHOULD BE.
Seriously I though Jim was capable of more better reasoning then this,this is the most opinionated rubbish I've heard in a long time.
Jim, and anyone who thinks like this, just because you don't like something dosen't make it bad.
Why dose this need to be said, I'm not sujesting that people don't criticise products but do it with a bit more class then this. The stupidest thing is that this argument can be applied to anything but if it was people would say 'well no, that's different', and it wouldn't be.
I don't like DearDeveil, dose that mean that the creators should stop making comics about him? No it dosen't. Disagree with something all you want, but saying something shouldn't exist because you don't like it is just a passive aggressive dictatorship.

And the accusations that the players are sleazy is just childish, surely the accusation that anyone who likes Halo is a whiny, high pitch, homophobic, douche bag is then just as valid.

Caramel Frappe:
I just want a female protagonist who I can take seriously and be seen as a person overall. Most people would agree we need more serious female characters then the bystander who has big breasts and does things just so we can get a 'shot' at what they're wearing underneath. It's to much.

There's a lot of strong female protagonists in Alternative that are more than just a pretty face and can take charge when the situation calls for it.

They have an equal relationship with the main guy.

the thing is don't understand is the Dead or Alive Xtreme spinoffs are xbox exclusives but the xbox has monumentally abysmal sales in Japan to the point it might as well be taken as not being a player at all in that marketplace (many Japanese retailers don't even stock it now) so the idea that this game is somehow "made for Japanese audiences"...sry but no.

there have only ever been a total of roughly 1.5 million xbox 360s sold in Japan and you did not make the game for THAT tiny and economically non viable target demographic and market share.

no, you made it for the rest of the 66 million xbox 360 install base NOT IN JAPAN.

next week boob size sliders during character customization and their near laughable pointlessness in the hands of the average male...

Sleekit:
the thing is don't understand is the Dead or Alive Xtreme spinoffs are xbox exclusives but the xbox has monumentally abysmal sales in Japan to the point it might as well be taken as not being a player at all in that marketplace (many Japanese retailers don't even stock it now) so the idea that this game is somehow "made for Japanese audiences"...sry but no.

there have only ever been a total of roughly 1.5 million xbox 360s sold in Japan and you did not make the game for THAT tiny and economically non viable target demographic and market share.

no, you made it for the rest of the 66 million xbox 360 install base NOT IN JAPAN.

next week boob size sliders during character customization and their near laughable pointlessness in the hands of the average male...

I never understood the "more than a handful" is a waste arguement.

I get the feeling the people that make it aren't very creative.....or very good with their hands.

The real problem here is the over use of a shameless marketing ploy, i.e: when in doubt... Slap a pair of tits on it!

Think of it... what makes this fighting game series different from all the others?
The girls have HUGE BOOBS!

That bit at the very end of the video was freaking hilarious!

I have just one thing to say:
WIBBLY WOBBLY BUTTER UDDERS

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Oh SHIT, ban-hammer approaching... okay, content, content

OT: Frankly, there's just one thing that I agree with Jim this time: It's a disgrace that Team Ninja tries to excuse their own lusting after said wibbly wobbly butter udders instead of admitting that they just like wibbly wobbly butter udders.
The rest of this episode was weirdly whiny this time :c

I wanted to write this earlier when i watched this episode, but i didn't have time.
I simply don't agree with you Jim. I don't see the problem here. Let me elaborate a bit.

At the start you stated that you have no problem with fetishes and after that you contradicted yourself by saying that jacking off to those jiggle monster is bad. Ehhh... You and I know that there are much worse/more bizzare things to jack off than water baloons. So this was not a good start.
Later you are angry about that they try to cover behind culture etc. etc., but you forget one small fact... If our culture is so against this representation, why the hell we buy those games. It's international release because even though it's not cool with the rest of the world, rest of the world pays to play it. And you can't say people don't know what they are paying for, because we all know this series and what it represents. You talk about marketing, but in the end of the day this product sells more propably because of those breasts. It's not like people bought beach volleyball for the gameplay mechanics.
You use also strawman arguemnt and shock value. Really? Creepy water melon boobs on screen that doesn't even try to be realistic you compare to the mutilated genitals? Really?

Overall it sounded like your own personal rant than anything else (also DoA having monster breasts isn't newest information) and while it was fun i'm kinda dissapointed. That's all.
Good luck

Paragon Fury:

I never understood the "more than a handful" is a waste arguement.

I get the feeling the people that make it aren't very creative.....or very good with their hands.

I've always felt it was a solid argument with one caveat: some of us have bigger hands than others ;)

Jimothy Sterling:
I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!

I'm one of those weird guys who enjoys the game (mostly, I'll admit) for the fighting mechanics, and as I got older and learned more about fighting games in general this was a common complaint of mine: the characters looked too much like action figures, even with the stylized graphics. This was readily apparent in the older games, with the smoothness of the characters being emphasized more and more each new installment.

On the flip side, those same doll-like qualities of the characters (especially the females) are what helped the series excel, especially in its native Japan. They can be thought of as analogous to Barbie dolls who happen to be able to break every bone in your body without trying I think, further demonstrated by the myriad of outfits the characters have had over the years.

This was fixed in the latest game, DoA5. While I suspect that the characters are still the same age they were in previous games somehow (it's implied that all the games, minus DoA Dimensions for the 3DS [I think], take place within the same year), all the characters look older as well as having their respective nationalities a bit more prominent(Hitomi and Kokoro both actually show their non-Japanese roots a bit [half-German and half-French, respectively], and both Lisa and Zack sport facial features common among negroids).

The ladies's breasts still move kinda awkward, but at least it's in direct correlation to the characters's movements versus whatever the fuck that was supposed to be in DoAX2 and NGS2.

Goodness. Quite a hotbed of hate over a video of a man making fun of sexuality while fucking a synthetic vagina with the head of a Mego doll and equating the breast physics in a Dead or Alive game to deliberately killing caged members of an endangered species.

Mr. Sterling, if you're still reading, let me address you directly for a moment and thank you for ruining my night last night. I stayed up a full hour longer than I should have trying to calm down from the monumental laughing fits I had over that "Team Ninja in an honest world" joke. I have rarely enjoyed missing my sleep more than I did last night. This was an excellent video, and in my estimation, one you ought to be proud of. You have made a fan of me.

Loved the video Jim and though iv'e played the first spinoff titles years back I can see the uncanny valley there and both me and my friend playing it into the night couldn't help but feel a bit awkward at how silly the game played out.

OT: What I learned from this thread is this

*We shouldn't give any fucks what Team Ninja does as it's "Their game and you can't say squat"
*We should criticise the critic and not the game
*We should all love great stonking tits because that view is the better opinion
*If we say anything bad about this game then we are wrong to do so on any grounds possible.

I mean come on if we don't give any fucks about what team ninja does then we should also give no fucks about any game good or bad and while we're at it lets make the most tasteless game known to man just to bring out the hypocrisy.

I love hypocrisy I really do, I love seeing how people rage on at COD and Resident evil but gladly go to defend a game that's trying to be porn and beat down everyone with their "give no fucks, that's just your opinion man" sticks.

Iv'e played some of the DOA games and one of their spinoffs and while I don't hate it with a passion I can see they are wasting talent and should just go into full on porn or instead make the game not revolve around tits and then everyone can be happy and if you're not then porn which has existed long before the game is always your aid.

If you want the game to stay the way it is then let Jim talk the way he wants to or you know non respectful hypocrisy inbound.

And one last thing I have to say, if you want to argue and beat down with the almighty justification opinion then by all means go right ahead but your time spent trying to will be ultimately wasted as it won't change a damn thing to a guy like me.

LobsterFeng:

It's funny, I see people get defensive about these things and say stuff like "It's bad to generalize that all Japanese media is like that." But it's hard not to when it seems to pop up in almost all anime and such.

Take One Piece for example. It's the most popular anime/manga in Japan right now (for good reasons, it really is quite good) but even One Piece gives its female characters ridiculous breast sizes.

I mean look at the character Nami for example:

...This is all for educational purposes of course...

The thing that draws my attention in those pics is the waist, it's just too thin... like creepy thin like... oh, that's what it reminds me of;

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Aeon Flux

The chest would probably not look as exaggerated if her mid section was a bit thicker.

dangoball:
Pff, you all have obviously NOT seen enough hentai to know what Japanese mean by HUGE tits. Those gals in DoA5? Nah, 'bout average hentai teens to be gangbanged by tentacled aliens.

THIS is what they mean by BIG:

And this is what they mean by HUGE.

I feel kinda ashamed now and I don't even like huge tits. I prefer petite girls!

Come on, you don't have to go that far, just look at the Skyrim mods

I swear that's not the largest ones there, but I'm pretty sure those are the largest ones contained in a top.

I, like you, don't care for the super exaggerated breast size but I'm not bothered by the fact they exist in this or any medium.

You know I like a lot of what Jim has to say.

Except when it comes to this whole schtick of being socially progressive. Its not. its just more faux enlightenment. So yeah stop with the acting as if it makes you sick. Either it doesnt and you are saying it for no other reason than to appear socially progressive, or it does, in which case you might want to reevaluate a few things.

Im tired of watching anything that can even remotely be considered to pander to masculine tastes being wrung and drained by the political correct wringer all in the hopes of accomplishing something that cannot nor ever will happen. Its nothing but wasted effort akin to an over protective mother taking one childs possession away from both children because they were fighting over it.

Look, I havent played a dead or alive game since the original dead or alive. Its not that I find it offensive, I just fell out of interest of fighting games (mostly due to living alone and no friends for a few years) But I am glad to see them make what they make, giggle physics and all because video games are supposed to be a form of escapism. To allow you to do things you cannot do in the real world, and you know what, Ogling polyginal boobs that can even defy non euclidean geometry is exactly that type of thing. So dont condemn someone with the courage to make something of the like in this emasculated world we now live in, and dont act as if it makes you sick, when you can confess to using it at least once. For trying to sit in judgement over something being juvenile, we as a world have a lot of growing up to do if we think this is the right way to be.

Show me a man being overtly offended by exaggerated tits, and I'll show you a man that's simply ashamed of himself and trying to act cool.

We should all respect the madness/brilliance behind Team Ninja, but we're all too busy being embarrassed by our own libido. Prudish modern culture has demonized our very sexuality, and I'll have no part of it, thank you.

I don't know, but did anyone notice this song from FF-9 was playing in the beginning when John de Foe wanted to kill all the pandas?
I'm 97.6253% sure it was.

Actually seeing the comments on youtube as I listened to the song he plays this all the time doesn't he?

GTwander:
Show me a man being overtly offended by exaggerated tits, and I'll show you a man that's simply ashamed of himself and trying to act cool.

Or he isn't a breast man.

Or he isn't into women.

Or he thinks they're being displayed in an inappropriate time and/or place.

Or he thinks the only reason such breasts exist is for the purpose of sexual exploitation, which he can't find sexy.

In short, please quit trying to claim that all men are on your side.

GTwander:
Prudish modern culture has demonized our very sexuality, and I'll have no part of it, thank you.

This is a respectable position, and I wish you'd stuck with it rather than telling me that my disagreeing with you is proof of me agreeing with you.

Tiger Sora:
I don't know, but did anyone notice this song from Final Fantasy IX was playing in the beginning when Willem Dafoe wanted to kill all the pandas?

Final Fantasy IX is listed in the video's closing credits, anyway.

JimB:

GTwander:
Show me a man being overtly offended by exaggerated tits, and I'll show you a man that's simply ashamed of himself and trying to act cool.

Or he isn't a breast man.

Or he isn't into women.

Or he thinks they're being displayed in an inappropriate time and/or place.

Or he thinks the only reason such breasts exist is for the purpose of sexual exploitation, which he can't find sexy.

In short, please quit trying to claim that all men are on your side.

The only excuse is if they aren't into women.
Straight men like tatas, regardless, and usually don't "think of the children" right-off.

If all (straight) men were on my side I wouldn't be here calling those in denial a pack of liars.
You can stop trying to look cool in front of the women-folk now.

NinjaDeathSlap:

DVS BSTrD:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

What... the fuck... did I just witness?!

Almost every frame I was thinking 'OK, it's peaked now. This couldn't possibly get any more preposterous.'

and then a pair of tits managed to jiggle their way out of getting hit with a .50cal, I just... I don't even...

I guess that's how you know they're real.

When in doubt just shoot at her and if her tits don't malform to avoid the bullet than there ya go! If they're fake.... run like hell.

Battle Catman:
I just wish these developers would realize there are other fetishes than just huge tits and young-looking women.

Do you have any idea how excited I was when Juri was announced for SSFIV? And Ibuki and Makoto? and Elena and Christie in SFxT, as well as Asuka's alt costume?

Do you see the common thread there?

I know exactly what you mean, I'm with on that one buddy. =D

Which gets me thinking, all this focus on breast technology. Can we get one, just ONE game that has good bare hands/feet texture. Feet and hands look great with gloves or shoes on, but once someone goes barefoot or grabs something with their bare hands, you look and a gotta ask, what is that THING supposed to be? Seriously, can attention be spent on this? It's disconcerting.

DVS BSTrD:
Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

The original comic was drawn by a guy that draws hentai... I don't go to pre-schools to find strippers, and I wouldn't go to Shōji Satō if I didn't want crazy amounts of tits everywhere. But mostly I do so I enjoy his work.

But DOA, their faces scare me more than their boobs.

Pretty sure the boob physics and character looks are relics of old technology. The boob physics are a simple inertia simulation, roughly a 3D version of putting a marble in a bowl and watching it spin around until it settles in place. I've seen that used as a low-CPU solution for all kinds of things, be it boobs (pretty common last gen actually), cloth, weapon attachments or whatever else they wanted to be "dynamic" with (there's a Tecmo sumo game on WiiWare, they use the exact same physics for the bellies of the sumos, interestingly the breasts on the female sumos are NOT handled by the algorithm). Except other people bothered to update their algorithms if not replace them with motion capture. The character designs are similar, the Dreamcast and PS2 didn't exactly have high texture resolutions, especially the PS2 was notorious among developers for requiring very clean and low detail textures to look good. Plus the whole 90s CG stuff, the early Resident Evil characters looked the same. Team Ninja just didn't get the memo that modern consoles can do more than that or maybe they developed a liking for that weird style.

i think this is the first time i disagree with Jim. here's why:

1. they're supposed to be unrealistic to a certain degree. Japanese style, anime style to be exact, they exaggerate the features because that's what fantasy and cartoons often do. that's kind of the point. they aren't supposed to look like very realistic women, they're supposed to be goddesses in a sense. beyond human and perfect.

2. let Team Ninja do whatever they want. it's not just pandering to their fans, because all artists are fans of their own work. it's what they want to do and they're gonna do it no matter what anybody says. and that's cool.

3. it may seem silly to some people but at the same time, everything is silly to somebody. if you don't like the style of DoA games than that's okay, but you don't need to insult the people who do like it, or make offensive generalizations like "only 13 year old boys would play this". that's not true at all and most DoA fans play it for the gameplay, it's a solid and fun fighting game. i've enjoyed it more than most, especially the 4 player tag-battles. it's sad that no other fighting game has this awesome feature.

Phasmal:
Oh my, I lol'd.
All I can think when I see DOA is `Boobs don't work like that`.
Those boobs are seriously weird.
They just... don't... work... like that.

Bullets don't work the way they work in literally every single FPS ever made either. Or rag doll physics, or heck even jiggle physics used to emulate any thing else either, ala hair or clothing.

An i can assure you that when people die in real life, they rarely ever respawn... Nor does your health regenerate if you sit behind a wall for a couple of seconds... People also can't fly, can't defy gravity, or shoot special effects from there fingers... Yet you accept all of those things without a second thought.

So here is the quesiton: Does it matter that boobs don't work like that?

An here's the answer: Nope.

So why is it still an issue, oh' benevolent Matthew, guy who is smarter then Jim?

Good question other me & its actually pretty simple: Because its trendy. Its the current trendy thing to hate on. Its fun to point out the things you think back up the things you think you already know: Its called confirmation bias & its a horrible form of cognitive bias.

In fact its pointed out to a disproportionate amoujnt, beyond its actual occurence. In fact this one property is contantly being used to try and make some grand sprawling statement about games, sexism & feminism... An usually when people are asked to show how this one game is a trend, the person trying to point it out will fall on there rhetorical ass, because its not a trend.

So here you go folks, here is the conclusion you can draw from all of this: All movies are not made for you, all tv shows are not made for you, all books are not made for you... Why would you think all games are made for you? Me personally, i have no interest in any fighting game, ever. But i support its right to exist.

Wow. So THIS is how those boobs look like in motion? I'd think for people who put so much effort into it Team Ninja could really come up with more "sophisticated" boob physics.

Otherwise... Genital mutilation = big hentai breasts? Come on Jim. Western sensibilities aren't the only acceptable way just by default.

m19:
Wow. So THIS is how those boobs look like in motion? I'd think for people who put so much effort into it Team Ninja could really come up with more "sophisticated" boob physics.

Team Ninja never created boob physics, they created what is stupidly refered to as jiggle physics. However joggle physics are used for a whole heap of things including moving clothing & hair... Boobs are actually the least of what its used for.

m19:
Otherwise... Genital mutilation = big hentai breasts? Come on Jim. Western sensibilities aren't the only acceptable way just by default.

Yeah i heard that comment too & thought it was stupid... Especially considering the current climate... You know there is actually a culture in the western world that still allows genital mutilation on children... Its called America: Or did we all forget that we still allow it on male infants, even though its done for no legitimate medical reason.

Seriously Jim, just think before you speak mate.

Captcha: Too Salty! Okay captcha, you are really starting to wierd me out

matthew_lane:
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So here is the quesiton: Does it matter that boobs don't work like that?

An here's the answer: Nope.

So why is it still an issue, oh' benevolent Matthew, guy who is smarter then Jim?

Did I say it mattered?
That was a whole load of talking as if I actually thought it was an issue.
All I think about DOA is `look at the silly boobies`. Literally nothing more.

GTwander:
The only excuse is if they aren't into women. Straight men like ta-tas regardless...

Being male and heterosexual means being attracted to women. Women are not breasts. It is possible to be attracted to women without caring about their breasts, let alone requiring those breasts to be massive and jiggling like she has surgically implanted piston-driven engines inside them.

GTwander:
...and usually don't "think of the children" right off.

I can't think of a way to say this that doesn't at least come close to violating the terms of use, so I'm just going to do my best on this one and say that I personally harbor serious questions about the emotional and sexual maturity of anyone whose reactions to breasts will always be the same regardless of the context those breasts appear in.

GTwander:
If all (straight) men were on my side I wouldn't be here calling those in denial a pack of liars.

If you say they're lying about whose side they're on, then you're saying they're on yours.

GTwander:
You can stop trying to look cool in front of the women-folk now.

My self-esteem is not quite so low that I require random internet women to sing my praises and laud me as one of their champions, and that is not my motivation for saying these things. I am saying these things because you are telling me that I am a straight man and therefore am indistinguishable from you in my tastes and preferences; and you are calling me a liar for believing that I have my own tastes different from your own. It's insulting and offensive, and you're doing it for no other reason than to try to make your position seem to have more validity than it does by claiming it has invisible but universal support.

I don't hate breasts, but I don't like them either. As a young man, I didn't like them much because I dislike my own nipples being played with, so I don't like to play with a woman's; as an older man, this was reinforced by a job in which breasts aren't much more than folds of fat hanging over a woman's ribs and forming a warm, moist place for her to get fungal infections. This is not deviant; this does not negate my heterosexuality; and this is not denial.

Don't tell me how I feel or what I am attracted to. You have neither the right nor the ability.

Phasmal:

matthew_lane:
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So here is the quesiton: Does it matter that boobs don't work like that?

An here's the answer: Nope.

So why is it still an issue, oh' benevolent Matthew, guy who is smarter then Jim?

Did I say it mattered?
That was a whole load of talking as if I actually thought it was an issue.
All I think about DOA is `look at the silly boobies`. Literally nothing more.

Actually yes you did: When you felt the need to draw attention to the fact boobs don't work like that... In a system which includes subjective gravity, teleportation, flight, respawning enemies & countless other things that don't work like that.

The fact that you felt it was important enough to draft a message about, while ignoring the context of the medium entirely, says quite loudly that you believe it matters... Even if you didn't come right out and say it: Am i wrong.

As for DOA just being look at the silly boobies, i'd say you'd be wrong. The fact that opponents of the game reduce it to that is kind of like saying "Catholic Church: all about raping little boys". Its a gross misrepresentation of reality.

I feel the need to remind people this is Japan we're talking about here.

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