Zero Punctuation: Borderlands 2

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Gorilla Gunk:
Sounds like he immediately stopped playing after the Wilhelm fight.

SPOILER: There's a REASON Wilhelm goes down so so easily.

I'm fairly certain he did get to the reason, because he makes a point at the beginning of the review about Handsome Jack trying to kill you, then just trying to trick you, so why did he try to kill you at the start... (etc.)

Personally, I absolutely adore the game so far (not finished it yet). But I loved the first one too.

Abandon4093:

tmande2nd:

UnmotivatedSlacker:
Stop taking ZP seriously. He's a comedian, not a critic.

Let me guess my comment riled you up because you like Borderlands 2?
I agree with Yahtzee about most games he reviews so yes I do take what he says under lots of consideration.

Zero punctuation isn't a review, it's a piece of entertainment. If you're using these as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the games and not just laughing at the ball and tit jokes. You're doing it wrong.

Watch an actual review, you know. One that goes into detail about how the games actually play.

Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.

It is different for everyone of course, and some people have very different tastes in games. I do use ZP for help in determining what games to buy, Yahtzee and I have very similar tastes in games. If he actually gives something a good review (it does happen...) then the games are gauaranteed to be ones I like. I usually find I'm pretty disapointed in games that he tears apart. On rare occasions I have fun with games that he hates, but I perfer to look at it this way. Every single thing he says is good... I really like and they become my favorite games. Everything else? I'll either have bought it or decided not to by the time his Aussie ass gets ahold of it. Mostly I use ZP as a guage to pick up something if I initally decided to pass on it but Yahtzee says it's OK.

But the habitual Yahtzee naysayers (even the "just for teh lulz, but not a REALZ critic" posers) are in actuallity just butthurt fanboys of a game he panned. See how generalizations work?

Calibanbutcher:
Yathzee did not like Borderlands 2?
Well twist my nipples spank my ass and call me tuesday, what a fiddlybonking surprise.

I think the same thing on all his COD reviews, and it 's still a hoot.

Kyrian007:

Abandon4093:

tmande2nd:

Let me guess my comment riled you up because you like Borderlands 2?
I agree with Yahtzee about most games he reviews so yes I do take what he says under lots of consideration.

Zero punctuation isn't a review, it's a piece of entertainment. If you're using these as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the games and not just laughing at the ball and tit jokes. You're doing it wrong.

Watch an actual review, you know. One that goes into detail about how the games actually play.

Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.

Translation, you want to be told what games you like.

Suppose that's alright if you're really indecisive or something.

Personally I'd rather someone break down how the game plays with some footage so I can make an informed decision on whether or not I'm likely to enjoy it.

Yahtzee doesn't write reviews, he writes humorous critiques. They're meant to entertain, not inform.

Dansen:

Duffeknol:
Thank God. Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games.

I know looking to find your opinion validated on the internet is pretty lame, but it can sure as hell feel satisfying sometimes, especially when half the internet tried to kick you to death if you so much as mumble that you don't like Borderlands because it's repetitive and boring, and that comparing numbers to more numbers shouldn't be anyone's idea of fun.

You mad bro?

Beter yet, have you even played it?
I actually enjoy the setting and its satirical take on a variety of game and story genres.

Of course I've played it. With 'it' I mean Borderlands 1. Gave it a full day. Played it for like 10 hours straight. Didn't get interesting, uninstalled. It can be satirical all it wants, but the gameplay makes me want to shoot myself.

Abandon4093:

Kyrian007:

Abandon4093:

Zero punctuation isn't a review, it's a piece of entertainment. If you're using these as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the games and not just laughing at the ball and tit jokes. You're doing it wrong.

Watch an actual review, you know. One that goes into detail about how the games actually play.

Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.

Translation, you want to be told what games you like.

Suppose that's alright if you're really indecisive or something.

Personally I'd rather someone break down how the game plays with some footage so I can make an informed decision on whether or not I'm likely to enjoy it.

Yahtzee doesn't write reviews, he writes humorous critiques. They're meant to entertain, not inform.

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's very easy to distinguish between little nitpicks Yahtzee points out for entertainment value and valid criticism he comes up with. Don't forget, the man has a deep love and understanding of the business, being a writer himself. He genuinely hates games like Borderlands, games that are just excuses to keep looting and finding one more gun with a +0.2 stamped on it. Dismissing that as 'just being entertainment' is completely missing the point.

My problem with the game is spending half of it trying to find guns that don't suck. While I found it difficult to find decent ones in the first one, it's near impossible now, unless you're a whore for submachine guns. Then it's the easiest thing in the world, since you just pay Moxxi for them.

If he doesn't get why 'the boss the defeated team widdlebiscuit' was so easy he must've stopped playing literally right after he killed said boss. Cuz the very next thing that happens explains it.
I'm surprised he reviewed this game at all actually given his response to the first.

I can not seem to play the video any ideas? I ave tried all troubleshooting and nothing.

Duffeknol:

Dansen:

Duffeknol:
Thank God. Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games.

I know looking to find your opinion validated on the internet is pretty lame, but it can sure as hell feel satisfying sometimes, especially when half the internet tried to kick you to death if you so much as mumble that you don't like Borderlands because it's repetitive and boring, and that comparing numbers to more numbers shouldn't be anyone's idea of fun.

You mad bro?

Beter yet, have you even played it?
I actually enjoy the setting and its satirical take on a variety of game and story genres.

Of course I've played it. With 'it' I mean Borderlands 1. Gave it a full day. Played it for like 10 hours straight. Didn't get interesting, uninstalled. It can be satirical all it wants, but the gameplay makes me want to shoot myself.

So in other words you played Borderlands 1...but not Borderlands 2...even though the second game is different, to the point where many that didn't like the first game liked the second one. I don't really see how your statement "Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games" can be anything but misinformed and rather insulting.

el_kabong:
Yep. Have to agree with the review. Watched a friend play it for about an hour and was flabbergasted at how much time he had to spend opening boxes. Also, he confirmed that the shooting was as "sticky" as the original. I'm really fussy when it comes to my FPS mechanics, so I'm glad I didn't pick this game up.

What did he mean by "sticky"? In the Options menu you can disable auto-aim, where the reticule snaps to an enemy. Free aiming is waaaaaaay better. If he meant that the controls were not effective...oh well. Most of the box/chest opening relates to ammo and is necessary to avoid running out. Anyway, I think you're missing out. The story, characters, combat and general pacing are all excellent and indicative of a dev team that has listened to fans. Except about vehicle handling which still blows. It's almost like they kept it like that on purpose!

pandorum:
I can not seem to play the video any ideas? I ave tried all troubleshooting and nothing.

I'm having the same issue: the ZP video just appears as an embedded image rather than a playable video. It's the same on my phone and laptop. Little help?

Abandon4093:

Kyrian007:

Abandon4093:

Zero punctuation isn't a review, it's a piece of entertainment. If you're using these as some sort of yardstick by which to judge the games and not just laughing at the ball and tit jokes. You're doing it wrong.

Watch an actual review, you know. One that goes into detail about how the games actually play.

Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.

Translation, you want to be told what games you like.

Suppose that's alright if you're really indecisive or something.

Personally I'd rather someone break down how the game plays with some footage so I can make an informed decision on whether or not I'm likely to enjoy it.

Yahtzee doesn't write reviews, he writes humorous critiques. They're meant to entertain, not inform.

So, you just like having other reviewers tell you what games to buy. People that just take longer to say the same things that ZP does and who's opinions are just as subjective as Yahtzee's.

Or... is it that some other reviewers have similar tastes to yours and you can use them to help make decisions on what games to get. Kind of like I do with ZP and Yahtzee who hasn't ever given me a good review of a bad game.

Love your stupid snarky attitude, but I can correct your translation.

Translation: I like being told what games ARE like. And Yahtzee does that, and has similar tastes in games to mine.

Nieroshai:

Zombine3D:
I killed the big-ass robot that "defeated" team Widdlebiscuit in 10 SECONDS. no joke. I'll record that next time.

Good. Because you were supposed to. Because it was a trap. Or did you stop playing the campaign after that?

Erm... I actually really like the game. I go through all side-missions and i got the loot chest edition (number 431!!!)

-Dragmire-:

Char-Nobyl:

Elamdri:
3 things I agree with:

1: The sissification of the original 4 heroes is incredibly contrived.
2: The vehicles handle awful.
3: Not being able to track multiple quests sucks

one thing I think he should have mentioned: The farming aspect, especially red chest farming or farming Sanctuary for Eridum.

Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point.

I thought Yahtzee meant the original characters seemed weaker because they were defeated in this game after beating the big bad of the last game.

I never played the first game so going through Borderlands 2 doesn't give me that problem.

Nope. You remember Wilhelm, right? Tall robot, spinning arms, that sort of thing? And how pretty much everyone except the Guardian Angel was telling you to run your ass away from him because of how he'd thrashed the original Vault Hunters?

That's the boss he was talking about. Literally finishing the same quest he's encountered would have explained to Yahtzee why he could take him down despite how hyped-up he was.

Char-Nobyl:

-Dragmire-:

Char-Nobyl:

Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point.

I thought Yahtzee meant the original characters seemed weaker because they were defeated in this game after beating the big bad of the last game.

I never played the first game so going through Borderlands 2 doesn't give me that problem.

Nope. You remember Wilhelm, right? Tall robot, spinning arms, that sort of thing? And how pretty much everyone except the Guardian Angel was telling you to run your ass away from him because of how he'd thrashed the original Vault Hunters?

That's the boss he was talking about. Literally finishing the same quest he's encountered would have explained to Yahtzee why he could take him down despite how hyped-up he was.

Does that mean Wilhelm is way stronger than the tentacle monster that came from the vault in the last game?

So by order of strength:

Wilhelm>Original Borderlands cast>Final Boss of the original Borderlands

What I meant before is that I assume Yahtzee was saying that the old cast seem weaker now by introducing an enemy that dwarfs the final boss of the last game.

btw, I haven't beaten Borderlands 2 yet so at this point people are just saying, "If Wilhelm shows up, run.". Haven't met him yet.

Atmos Duality:

FallenMessiah88:
So it's basically the same as the first Borderlands, only now it takes place in a snow/ice environment? Yeah, that was also my conclusion after watching a friend play it.

That's maybe the first 5% of the game.

I never said it was a bad thing. There's nothing wrong with a sequel that's basically a "bigger, better and more badass" version of it's predecessor.

-Dragmire-:
Does that mean Wilhelm is way stronger than the tentacle monster that came from the vault in the last game?

So by order of strength:

Wilhelm>Original Borderlands cast>Final Boss of the original Borderlands

What I meant before is that I assume Yahtzee was saying that the old cast seem weaker now by introducing an enemy that dwarfs the final boss of the last game.

I'm assuming that he had support, but nonetheless, yeah. He was pretty damn powerful. I don't think that power scales as easily as you depict it here, but yeah. Powerful. And something completely different from what the Vault Hunters were used to fighting, so he had that to his advantage, too.

-Dragmire-:
btw, I haven't beaten Borderlands 2 yet so at this point people are just saying, "If Wilhelm shows up, run.". Haven't met him yet.

Ah, that'd do it. I thought you were the original guy I was responding to for a post there. It had me a bit confused.

Huh. I actually enjoy the driving mechanics. (At least they operate well on a mouse/keyboard)

I actually had to warn off a friend on buying the game. Its simple and restated, BL2 is simply more of BL1. Yes they took the generic shooter path to progression. If ya didn't enjoy the first one, it would be impossible to enjoy the newest installment. (Not sure that this would be untrue for any other games.)

Great review thought.

Man we have many comments here :D

Don't own this game neither the first, so I give a crap if it's good or bad. So let's jump to the ZP-review:
I think I have watched too many episodes (yeah, I have the "watched all!"-badge...) because the most funny thing in this episode was, when Yahzee was not saying anything! :P

For the most part the Assault rifles are the only thing that suck ass in this game. Right now I have a gun that does actually take longer to reload than to shoot its 19 round clip.

Hi, sorry. lemme just butt in right here- Ah, that's better.

Now, I'm not sure if this has already been said or nothin', I kinda just skimmed the thread, read a few points here and there and generally saw the same kind of junk going on one can find in any forum anywhere, a bunch of trolling, baiting, laming, etc. with a few good posts here and there.

I consider myself a small fan of Yahtzee overall, his videos are always entertaining and hold some great points. I get the feeling he really is a person, not a spineless reviewer just going on either side of the spectrum based on their "professional" view of things. He has a voice is what I'm saying.

Now, I'm also a fan of the Borderlands series. That didn't stop me from having a chuckle from his first review, and I agreed with what he said about it for the most part. This review is the only one I've ever seen him do that seemed absolute garbage, like he was paid off to call it crap. I didn't get the same Yahtzee feeling from it. Instead of being all aflutter, I left the video feeling enraged, disappointed, and honestly shocked that a man who usually goes about his reviews so well turned up with nothing. The only comforting thought I had was, "Maybe he made it copy-paste of his first review to make a point that he feels it's the exact same game."

Honestly, his review plays as if he hadn't himself touched the game at all. More like he read up on the game, watched a few gameplay videos, and went on from there. Mentioning things like, "Go kill these bandits because they stole a component needed for the story quest." I've played through a few times on a few characters, and don't personally recall any story bit where bandits had stolen something that was central to the plot. Perhaps he was making reference to the power core or the stuff needed for the bandit technical? Not too clear on that one, sir. You sure you played the game?

Beyond that, he goes on to say not a single thing has changed about the game. Last I checked, I breezed through the first game due to its poor AI, limited enemies, and ammunition falling out of my armpits. 2 opens up with a can of whoop-ass, giving you a dinky gun and telling you to fight that boss who, with one hit, has you down to 30 health and summons large enemy types to assist him. Meanwhile, no matter the character you're playing, you're fighting with an almost worthless gun, an incredibly limited bit of ammunition (and that's if you raided claptrap's place and got lucky)running around trying to survive the next Fight for Your Life.

He failed to mention any real specifics about the game, doesn't improved cover bases he whined about in the first game, and seems to hate it merely because he hated the first. Yes, it's the same as 1, but they never advertised it as anything BUT more of Borderlands. (Disguising it as new and improved, indeed.) I didn't expect Yahtzee to like the game, RPGs don't seem to be his cup of tea. I expected, as is normally the case for his videos, that he would actually review it instead of bash it the way I would expect a fanboy of MW to bash CoD, not bringing up any valid points, not mentioning the differences, making generalized accusations and spewing "facts" that anyone that had played the game would understand.

I'm not pissed because he bashed a game I enjoyed, I'm pissed because he seems to have fractured his integrity. This wasn't a ZP video to me, it was a cheap attempt to recreate a truly wonderful web series.

P.S. No, I'm not proof reading this wall of text, just like you likely won't read it at all.

Char-Nobyl:

Elamdri:
3 things I agree with:

1: The sissification of the original 4 heroes is incredibly contrived.
2: The vehicles handle awful.
3: Not being able to track multiple quests sucks

one thing I think he should have mentioned: The farming aspect, especially red chest farming or farming Sanctuary for Eridum.

Numbers 2 and 3 are valid, but thus far, everyone and their mother has called Yahtzee on number 1.

Anyone who played the game knows which boss he's referring to...and it seems like everyone who played the game until the end of the same quest where you fight that boss knows that being able to beat him where the original four Vault Hunters failed is a very, very, very big plot point. I can only think of three possible reasons why you couldn't figure it out:

-You can't speak English and couldn't get the alternate-language subtitles to work, which obviously doesn't fit for Yahtzee.

-You are deaf and illiterate, because there's no other way that you could reach that point in the game and neither understand what's being said or simply understand the text being presented to you unless you were incapable of reading and hearing.

-You didn't play past the boss fight.

So...yeah. It looks like he simply didn't play past that boss fight, which was fairly early on in the game (comparatively).

Or perhaps you're missing what I'm saying. Yes, I understand that the Whilhelm fight was a trap. But as you play through the game, it's pretty clear that they are artificially turning the original 4 heroes into schmucks.

Roland would never have gotten taken out like that
Brick would never send you off like an errand boy
Mordecai would have bust down the doors to get Bloodwing back himself

You see what I'm saying? Those 4 beat the destroyer, they beat Crawmerax, they Beat Knoxx. They're badasses in their own right. They should have WIPED THE FLOOR with Jack when he came to Pandora, but they didn't.

And that's what I'm saying. Them transforming from big badass heroes into pansies feels incredibly contrived.

Elamdri:

And that's what I'm saying. Them transforming from big badass heroes into pansies feels incredibly contrived.

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Meh Borderlands 2 is hands down better than Borderlands 1. It was well worth the money and is a blast to play with an endgame that rivals most every other multiplayer game out there to date. If you've beaten terramorphus and the super varkid along with the other stupidly hard bosses that you can do (Ant Queen, Chubby midget on a chubby Goliath, anything Raised to the God level of itself, Saturn Loader) then you can attest that it beats most every multiplayer for difficulty.

Things that should be mentioned...

There is no need to farm Eridium I had everything purchased by the time I hit 50 with 20 to spare and never spent a dime or second farming for it... its a massive waste of time.

The handling on the vehicles is the exact same as a warthog... I'm shocked they aren't getting in trouble for stealing that handling system... It sucks that some people can't handle moving 2 sticks to drive but if thats the case I'm sorry the game is clearly too intelligent for you go back to something simpler... though I can't imagine a simpler driving. Also Driving is so unimportant to the game anyway, its just transportation and its the fastest I've ever felt in a vehicle.

The original 4 heroes are so not sissified... only 1 of them is, and that is totally ok with me because dudes should die. Otherwise Mordecai is pissed off Brick is Hilariously uncaring about life and Lilith is a Demi god.

I don't know why everyone needs so many quest markers is it really that hard to read a map? Its not like you can't turn on cycling so when you beat a quest it goes to the next one down. Nor can you run to multiple locations you are only 1 body

Also if you play this game you know that the end boss in 1 wasn't actually a vault it was a key, to a real vault. Everything was controlled by specific person/s and If you truly think the end boss of this game is easier than the end boss of 1 you should try playing 1 again... It took me 1 try and 2 minutes to beat that boss it was the biggest joke of a boss I've ever played against (aside from RAGE) this boss was a few phases he had some moves that actually managed to hit me and there were 3 harder bosses waiting around the corner... not to mention you actually got rewards for killing him not just a cutscene and some credits.

Kyrian007:

So, you just like having other reviewers tell you what games to buy.

Where did you get that from what I said?

I like to watch gameplay and have a reviewer show me how the games play, point out any possible flaws. This is the best way to judge whether or not you might like a game because you're not listening to opinions. You're looking at how the game plays.

People that just take longer to say the same things that ZP does and who's opinions are just as subjective as Yahtzee's.

Except Yahtzee embellishes problems for comedic effect... you know, because it's entertainment, not a serious review.

Or... is it that some other reviewers have similar tastes to yours and you can use them to help make decisions on what games to get. Kind of like I do with ZP and Yahtzee who hasn't ever given me a good review of a bad game.

I don't listen to the reviewers opinion of a game. I look at the gameplay and listen to what they say about mechanics.

Not the same thing at all.

Love your stupid snarky attitude, but I can correct your translation.

Translation: I like being told what games ARE like. And Yahtzee does that, and has similar tastes in games to mine.

My translation was good already.

You like listening to peoples opinions of games and use them to judge whether or not you'd like them. So you essentially like to be told what to like.

Duffeknol:

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's very easy to distinguish between little nitpicks Yahtzee points out for entertainment value and valid criticism he comes up with. Don't forget, the man has a deep love and understanding of the business, being a writer himself. He genuinely hates games like Borderlands, games that are just excuses to keep looting and finding one more gun with a +0.2 stamped on it. Dismissing that as 'just being entertainment' is completely missing the point.

Most of what you've said in this thread I don't really mind. However, the bolded quote really exposes that you played the first game for a very minimal amount of time (proportional to the games full length) and made quick judgement. The guns in both games drastically change in ways that aren't just "+0.2." Guns, even in the first game, could do some pretty interesting things in this series like having shotguns fire rockets, elemental weapons, eridian weapons, multiple different manufacturers that change the look, feel, and focus of each gun type (and this is a super cursory overview); The second game took all of these features and expanded them making even more variety and effects to each gun. Labeling the loot system to "constantly looking for a gun that is +0.2" is an oversimplification that just makes your arguments look disingenuous.

I know, opinions.

Elamdri:

Or perhaps you're missing what I'm saying. Yes, I understand that the Whilhelm fight was a trap. But as you play through the game, it's pretty clear that they are artificially turning the original 4 heroes into schmucks.

Roland would never have gotten taken out like that
Brick would never send you off like an errand boy
Mordecai would have bust down the doors to get Bloodwing back himself

You see what I'm saying? Those 4 beat the destroyer, they beat Crawmerax, they Beat Knoxx. They're badasses in their own right. They should have WIPED THE FLOOR with Jack when he came to Pandora, but they didn't.

And that's what I'm saying. Them transforming from big badass heroes into pansies feels incredibly contrived.

You know, I loved Borderlands 1, but I recognize it had many flaws. One of the biggest flaws is that it didn't really introduce or give personality to any of the player characters. Tell me what you knew about Mordecai in BL1. That's right, you knew pretty much nothing. In BL2 within the first few minutes of meeting him you learn that he is a massive alcoholic, then you learn that he is depressed at not getting to run away with Moxxi, you learn that he is moderately incompetent at times and seems to spy rather than get in fights himself. The reason you think he would have done something is because you assumed you knew what he was like as a person. You didn't, because the first game never provided a deep background or an explanation of major character flaws. Also, they may have been able to do amazing things together, but they aren't traveling together anymore, each with their own reasons. They're operating solo and are therefore weaker.

Oh, and you never directly do anything that makes you seem more powerful than them that isn't instantly explained to be a ploy.

Duffeknol:

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's very easy to distinguish between little nitpicks Yahtzee points out for entertainment value and valid criticism he comes up with. Don't forget, the man has a deep love and understanding of the business, being a writer himself. He genuinely hates games like Borderlands, games that are just excuses to keep looting and finding one more gun with a +0.2 stamped on it. Dismissing that as 'just being entertainment' is completely missing the point.

No it's not because everything he does is for entertainment value. That's why I watch him.

I don't care about his opinions on games, I like to listen to him make with the witty and rage at things.

As do most people.

jboking:

Elamdri:

Or perhaps you're missing what I'm saying. Yes, I understand that the Whilhelm fight was a trap. But as you play through the game, it's pretty clear that they are artificially turning the original 4 heroes into schmucks.

Roland would never have gotten taken out like that
Brick would never send you off like an errand boy
Mordecai would have bust down the doors to get Bloodwing back himself

You see what I'm saying? Those 4 beat the destroyer, they beat Crawmerax, they Beat Knoxx. They're badasses in their own right. They should have WIPED THE FLOOR with Jack when he came to Pandora, but they didn't.

And that's what I'm saying. Them transforming from big badass heroes into pansies feels incredibly contrived.

You know, I loved Borderlands 1, but I recognize it had many flaws. One of the biggest flaws is that it didn't really introduce or give personality to any of the player characters. Tell me what you knew about Mordecai in BL1. That's right, you knew pretty much nothing. In BL2 within the first few minutes of meeting him you learn that he is a massive alcoholic, then you learn that he is depressed at not getting to run away with Moxxi, you learn that he is moderately incompetent at times and seems to spy rather than get in fights himself. The reason you think he would have done something is because you assumed you knew what he was like as a person. You didn't, because the first game never provided a deep background or an explanation of major character flaws. Also, they may have been able to do amazing things together, but they aren't traveling together anymore, each with their own reasons. They're operating solo and are therefore weaker.

Oh, and you never directly do anything that makes you seem more powerful than them that isn't instantly explained to be a ploy.

Don't get me wrong, the characterization is nice, but one of the problems with not having defined characters is that you tend to project yourself onto the character. In that case, if someone comes along later and doesn't characterization, it feels like a retcon even if it isn't because the character had no personality in the 1st place.

And even then, we can extrapolate stuff from the original borderlands. All the characters have pretty magnanimous personalities and think highly of themselves. And they did accomplish some pretty impressive feats during the game. And they didn't split up until AFTER Jack showed up. I'm simply saying that going into Borderlands 2 from Borderlands 1, I can't figure out why the original 4 heroes simply didn't wipe the floor with Jack and send him packing, but for the fact that the plot demands it.

Duffeknol:

Dansen:

Duffeknol:
Thank God. Yahtzee still seems to be the only sane person left on earth when it comes to these absolutely putrid games.

I know looking to find your opinion validated on the internet is pretty lame, but it can sure as hell feel satisfying sometimes, especially when half the internet tried to kick you to death if you so much as mumble that you don't like Borderlands because it's repetitive and boring, and that comparing numbers to more numbers shouldn't be anyone's idea of fun.

You mad bro?

Beter yet, have you even played it?
I actually enjoy the setting and its satirical take on a variety of game and story genres.

Of course I've played it. With 'it' I mean Borderlands 1. Gave it a full day. Played it for like 10 hours straight. Didn't get interesting, uninstalled. It can be satirical all it wants, but the gameplay makes me want to shoot myself.

I was just saying that the satire is one of the many things that attract me to the game, its not just "comparing numbers to more numbers".
The game is a vast improvement over 1 and it addresses a majority of the problems of the first one. It is the best sequel to come out in recent years. You have not played the game, its okay if you aren't interested, but please stop trying to act smart by saying its the same thing as the first one. Borderlands 2 is in a whole other league from its predecessor. There is no way anyone can objectively deny that.

As much I like Yahtzee I have to disagreee on this review Borderlands 1 was not great by any means but it still held it's own and still(well not now since the sequel is out) a good ass game

As mention plenty of times before Borderlands 2 takes what was right and wrong about the first 2 and build up and improved it greatly. The story is not generic, the characters are more fleshed out, the guns may look the same but they can have very small differences like I got a sniper rifle that did great damage but the fire rate between shots was god-awful. They actually have antagonist that you will learn to hate very much and not some eleventh hour monster that "has" the power to destroy the world. but the sequel has cons as well

-The downgrade of the previous vault hunters These guys were badasses in the first one, If I remember these guys:
-Took on a hostile planet full of murders and murderous wildlife along with a company's private military beaten it and a giant tentacle monster that may of violated the planet in the wrong way (Sexual Innuendo intended there)
-Survived a zombie apocalypse and killed the guy who started it, twice
-Managed to go a few rounds in Moxxi's Underdome and live to tell about it.
-Took on the same company's private military again, beaten the same military again, and killed off one of their head officers, raided his armory, and blew it sky high Twice.
-Took a gigantic mutant killer lobster and killed it.
-Took on a rebellious robot that was sent to killed them in the first place and his robo brethren, from taking over humanity and possibly converting it to an all robot civilization.
so to see these guys sorta loose some of there badassness is like the story telling all the gamers that played the first one to "Forget all that happened and focus on now".
Driving-it still sucks and trying to power slide is not that great.
Unable to track multiple quest down at once-If I'm in one spot with a bunch of quest why can't you tell me where they all are?

I give points on trying to make it funny but this time I disagree with you Yahtzee.

and to the people that trying to use Yahtzee to say how much BL2 blows, you guys really don't have any personal opinion do you?

Elamdri:

Don't get me wrong, the characterization is nice, but one of the problems with not having defined characters is that you tend to project yourself onto the character. In that case, if someone comes along later and doesn't characterization, it feels like a retcon even if it isn't because the character had no personality in the 1st place.

And even then, we can extrapolate stuff from the original borderlands. All the characters have pretty magnanimous personalities and think highly of themselves. And they did accomplish some pretty impressive feats during the game. And they didn't split up until AFTER Jack showed up. I'm simply saying that going into Borderlands 2 from Borderlands 1, I can't figure out why the original 4 heroes simply didn't wipe the floor with Jack and send him packing, but for the fact that the plot demands it.

I've not played the second game yet, but from what I've heard of it's plot points and what they did to the characters it's all basically PIS. Plot Induced Stupidity.

Mordecai didn't bust down the doors and go after bloodwing himself because the plot and the game demands that the new player characters must do this. The same reason the original hunters didn't just kill Jack.

From what I've seen of the game, I feel exactly the same way. They're downplaying the original characters to make way for the new ones. In doing that they're fucking with what's already been established. Mordecai may always have preferred distance to being right up in the thick of it, but the original games plot demands that he has to have been up in the thick of the fighting throughout the course of the plot.

They could have gotten away with downplaying the original characters involvement if they'd simply have set the game a good 40 or so years on from the first one. So all the original vault hunters were simply too old to be as badass as they once were. And just said Lilith didn't age like the rest of them because she's a Siren or something if they wanted to make her as big of a part as she seems to be.

That's what's going to be annoying me when I eventually get round to playing the game. I'm going to be constantly saying "My Mordecai wouldn't be such a bitch." "Why is this Brick such a uselsss tosser?" "Why is Lilith being a moron?" "As if Roland would be such a tool."

They gave us too much evidence of their competence for us to just accept this new feeling of uselessness.

Duffeknol:

Abandon4093:

Kyrian007:

Uhh... No. I'd rather have someone tell me right out whether or not a game is shit without watching him play it for 15 minutes before he sums it all up in a manner that is just as "subjective" as a ZP review.

Translation, you want to be told what games you like.

Suppose that's alright if you're really indecisive or something.

Personally I'd rather someone break down how the game plays with some footage so I can make an informed decision on whether or not I'm likely to enjoy it.

Yahtzee doesn't write reviews, he writes humorous critiques. They're meant to entertain, not inform.

That's a pretty dumb thing to say. It's very easy to distinguish between little nitpicks Yahtzee points out for entertainment value and valid criticism he comes up with. Don't forget, the man has a deep love and understanding of the business, being a writer himself. He genuinely hates games like Borderlands, games that are just excuses to keep looting and finding one more gun with a +0.2 stamped on it. Dismissing that as 'just being entertainment' is completely missing the point.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but Yahtzee isn't a game reviewer. He isn't even a critic. He's an entertainer above all. And clearly, a lot of people weren't entertained by this "review." I've been a fan of ZP for a while, had a good laugh at most of his reviews, including his review of the first one. That was totally accurate. It's very clear Yahtzee didn't know what he was talking about with a lot of points he made, and since I don't think Yahtzee would blatantly lie to his audience on purpose, it became obvious he went in not intending to like the game, and put it down before finishing it. He's definitely losing his touch as a reviewer, or an entertainer, or whatever he is

I've watched several people from TGWTG on a stream play BL2 and everything said by Yahtzee was right.

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