Escape to the Movies: Taken 2

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LoathsomePete:
Now that their main motivation is revenge because they lost family, you're reminded that these were actually flesh and blood people, with mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and maybe even children of their own, and you start to feel slightly guilty for getting pleasure out of watching their demise.

Sorry what? I'm supposed to feel sorry for a family of sex slavers because they have wives and children? Fuck that noise. Anyone over the age of 18 and in the family business is fair game.

I actually didn't like Taken (the original) very much, and solely went to this one on Ebert's assurances that it was good and the fact that Luc Besson was involved.

Honestly? Way more fun for me than the original. The daughter finally grew some stones, Famke Jannsen played a more central role, and I happen to think that in spite of the horrific things that the dead henchmen did in the first one it still makes sense that somebody might seek revenge. They old man's actions are not as justified as Liam Neeson's, sure, but it's still reasonable that he wants revenge anyway. Family is family.

The fights also ooze a little less 'old guys can still be RELEVANT [fist hitting meat sound]' than Taken, which I take as a net plus.

Gotta say great intro, Bob.

Never saw the first one...personally I thought that one looked stupid and to be quite honest, the trailers for it really started to irritate me. When I heard they were making a sequel to it, I facepalmed so hard I nearly crushed my face in.

It's a shame really, I was planning to go see Taken 2. Might just wait for the DVD, maybe.

I really didn't read in to Taken that much, I saw it simply as an excuse to have Liam Neeson fighting round the world. It's unlikely but its an action movie. If it's any consolation when interviewed on the Graham Norton Show about it a while ago he said he thought Taken would be a straight to DVD movie and he only did it for the holiday in France. So I suppose this one is to have a holiday in Istanbul. I might watch it but I think I'm going to watch Looper instead.

ravenshrike:

LoathsomePete:
Now that their main motivation is revenge because they lost family, you're reminded that these were actually flesh and blood people, with mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and maybe even children of their own, and you start to feel slightly guilty for getting pleasure out of watching their demise.

Sorry what? I'm supposed to feel sorry for a family of sex slavers because they have wives and children? Fuck that noise. Anyone over the age of 18 and in the family business is fair game.

Ah yes, the 'their lives are completely forfeit because they're the "BAD GUYS!" mindset. No, that's sociopathic in the slightest...

trty00:

ravenshrike:

LoathsomePete:
Now that their main motivation is revenge because they lost family, you're reminded that these were actually flesh and blood people, with mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, and maybe even children of their own, and you start to feel slightly guilty for getting pleasure out of watching their demise.

Sorry what? I'm supposed to feel sorry for a family of sex slavers because they have wives and children? Fuck that noise. Anyone over the age of 18 and in the family business is fair game.

Ah yes, the 'their lives are completely forfeit because they're the "BAD GUYS!" mindset. No, that's sociopathic in the slightest...

What can I say, human trafficking irritates me. That being said, calling me sociopathic is a bit much. Such an attitude certainly doesn't fit the definition, as my stance does not lack empathy at all. It is merely empathetic to the victims of the piece, rather than the villains.

I will point out however that the idea behind the bad guys in Taken 2 is that current Arab tribal structure makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like mild-mannered businessmen.

ravenshrike:

trty00:

ravenshrike:
Sorry what? I'm supposed to feel sorry for a family of sex slavers because they have wives and children? Fuck that noise. Anyone over the age of 18 and in the family business is fair game.

Ah yes, the 'their lives are completely forfeit because they're the "BAD GUYS!" mindset. No, that's sociopathic in the slightest...

What can I say, human trafficking irritates me. That being said, calling me sociopathic is a bit much. Such an attitude certainly doesn't fit the definition, as my stance does not lack empathy at all. It is merely empathetic to the victims of the piece, rather than the villains.

I will point out however that the idea behind the bad guys in Taken 2 is that current Arab tribal structure makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like mild-mannered businessmen.

Which is odd because aside from the buyer at the end, most of the villains were Albanian (unless they're Islamic by conversion or something). It does make sense for reprisals though, you can't kill a guy that buys women for a half million casually without stirring the hornet's nest a bit. Just a shame it seems like they wasted the potential idea.

MovieBob, sometimes you look into things WAYYY too much. Most of the time you reveal very interesting tidbits about our culture, and how our movie scape reflects that culture. In this case, I think you totally jumped off the deep end. I really don't think there was much more of a message in Taken 1 other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. And you know what? Taken 2 is just more of the same.

I think writers knew that audiences didn't actually WANT anything other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. So they made a lazy scrip with Liam Neeson shooting shit. Cause everyone loves Liam Neeson shooting shit!

But, it's unfortunate, because I I think it would have been possible to do more with the character and the franchise. Maybe they could have turned it more into a Bourne, Bond, or other sort of spy flick, with Liam Neeson shooting shit, of course.

I also disagree that the first movie played on American fears and what not. If anything, it played on an actual problem and brought awareness to human sex trafficking (which I would argue was the main point of the movie, NOT some "bring hope to middle aged disgruntled men" mumbo jumbo that you seem to think it stood for). I also think it was more playing on how every father wishes to protect their daughter no matter what, and keep their families together (which is similar to your point, but a much brighter take on it). Finally, again, it was really just about Liam Neeson shooting shit.

And as long as I have a movie with Liam Neeson shooting shit, I am happy.

Cause Liam Neeson shooting shit is awesome.

Gordon_4:

ravenshrike:

trty00:

Ah yes, the 'their lives are completely forfeit because they're the "BAD GUYS!" mindset. No, that's sociopathic in the slightest...

What can I say, human trafficking irritates me. That being said, calling me sociopathic is a bit much. Such an attitude certainly doesn't fit the definition, as my stance does not lack empathy at all. It is merely empathetic to the victims of the piece, rather than the villains.

I will point out however that the idea behind the bad guys in Taken 2 is that current Arab tribal structure makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like mild-mannered businessmen.

Which is odd because aside from the buyer at the end, most of the villains were Albanian (unless they're Islamic by conversion or something). It does make sense for reprisals though, you can't kill a guy that buys women for a half million casually without stirring the hornet's nest a bit. Just a shame it seems like they wasted the potential idea.

Most Albanians are islamic.

The Albanian Mafia or Albanian organized crime (Albanian: Mafia Shqiptare) are the general terms used for criminal organizations based in Albania or composed of ethnic Albanians. Albanian organized crime is active in Albania, the United States, and the European Union (EU) countries, participating in a diverse range of criminal enterprises including drug and arms trafficking. In Albania alone, there are over 15 Mafia Families that control organized crime. The Albanian Mafia is believed to control around 55% of the world's heroin trade.[1][2][3]. According to Wikileaks reports, the Albanian Mafia has monopolized various international affiliations from as far east as Israel, to as far west as South America. These reports primarily indicate a strong connection between politicians and various Albanian Mafia families.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/862942.stm

In the first of two special reports, the BBC's Brian Barron investigates Italy's clandestine trade in sexual slaves and the Albanian criminals behind the business.

It is estimated that there could be more than 40,000 foreign prostitutes on the streets of Italy - and the numbers are increasing.

As for the Albanians not being arabs, this is true, but they were under the Ottomans for almost 500 years.

ravenshrike:

Gordon_4:

ravenshrike:
What can I say, human trafficking irritates me. That being said, calling me sociopathic is a bit much. Such an attitude certainly doesn't fit the definition, as my stance does not lack empathy at all. It is merely empathetic to the victims of the piece, rather than the villains.

I will point out however that the idea behind the bad guys in Taken 2 is that current Arab tribal structure makes the Hatfields and McCoys look like mild-mannered businessmen.

Which is odd because aside from the buyer at the end, most of the villains were Albanian (unless they're Islamic by conversion or something). It does make sense for reprisals though, you can't kill a guy that buys women for a half million casually without stirring the hornet's nest a bit. Just a shame it seems like they wasted the potential idea.

Most Albanians are islamic.

The Albanian Mafia or Albanian organized crime (Albanian: Mafia Shqiptare) are the general terms used for criminal organizations based in Albania or composed of ethnic Albanians. Albanian organized crime is active in Albania, the United States, and the European Union (EU) countries, participating in a diverse range of criminal enterprises including drug and arms trafficking. In Albania alone, there are over 15 Mafia Families that control organized crime. The Albanian Mafia is believed to control around 55% of the world's heroin trade.[1][2][3]. According to Wikileaks reports, the Albanian Mafia has monopolized various international affiliations from as far east as Israel, to as far west as South America. These reports primarily indicate a strong connection between politicians and various Albanian Mafia families.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/862942.stm

In the first of two special reports, the BBC's Brian Barron investigates Italy's clandestine trade in sexual slaves and the Albanian criminals behind the business.

It is estimated that there could be more than 40,000 foreign prostitutes on the streets of Italy - and the numbers are increasing.

As for the Albanians not being arabs, this is true, but they were under the Ottomans for almost 500 years.

Huh, how about that. I learned something. Thank you, Internet!

He's wrong about one thing john Mcclain was fighting on jets in the 2ed movie as well.

disgruntledgamer:
He's wrong about one thing john Mcclain was fighting on jets in the 2ed movie as well.

He was actually fighting another person (and for a while getting his arse kicked) on the largest part of a 747's wing while its at taxi speed. Big difference to jumping on the back of a F-35 mkII that has it's VTOL engaged.

Both are equally implausible but one is less so than the other.

I'll bet top dollar that Movie Bob was less comfortable with the undercurrent of racism in the Taken movies then he was with a film like Machete. But don't worry Bob, having double standards just proves that your every bit as human as the rest of us.

Really? Taken (1) was PG13? - Including the bit with the teenage American girl dieing of a heroin overdose while being used as a sex slave?

Mimsofthedawg:

And as long as I have a movie with Liam Neeson shooting shit, I am happy.

Cause Liam Neeson shooting shit is awesome.

I think you missed an important part of the review. That, at least according to Bob, the scenes where Liam Neeson shoots shit are not nearly as well done as they were in the first movie.

Because that was all that made the first movie enjoyable in my eyes, that the action scenes were well done. Intense but easy to follow, with impressive action that never quite trigger my "now that's just silly" alarm.

And if Bob is correct, Taken 2 screws that up, thus taking away the only reason I would have to see this movie

Imp Emissary:

Moeez:

Imp Emissary:
Yeah, that's about what I thought when I heard this movie was coming out.

What I loved was when Liam Neeson was on Jon Stewart's show, Jon asks; "Taken 3?", and Liam just does the cutting his own neck with his hand move.

I hope he was right.

And now I'm off to watch The Daily Show, thanks!

No problem friend. But, you know you really shouldn't need more of a reason to watch The Daily Show/The Colbert Report, other than the fact they are The Daily Show/The Colbert Report. ;)

I actually watch it daily (hehe), just sometimes forget to and will catch up with the rest of the week on Friday. I need that daily dose of laughs. Can't wait for the Bill O'Reilly showdown!

Could have guessed most of this from watching the trailer. One to miss for me.

Also, that opening was fantastic!!

I see Bob's still got a hard-on for hating Spiderman, even though it was actually just an above average film that understood the source material better than the originals.

karloss01:
why does Johnny Depp's character look like Captain Jack Sparrow without a hat and his face painted?

Because people liked Captain Jack Sparrow in the pirate movies, so to make people like your cowboy movie you have to give them Chief Flies-with-Sparrows. Obviously.

It's the same reason why everyone and their grandmother had lightsabers in the prequels. You thought they were cool in the first 3 movies right?

Mimsofthedawg:
MovieBob, sometimes you look into things WAYYY too much. Most of the time you reveal very interesting tidbits about our culture, and how our movie scape reflects that culture. In this case, I think you totally jumped off the deep end. I really don't think there was much more of a message in Taken 1 other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. And you know what? Taken 2 is just more of the same.

I think writers knew that audiences didn't actually WANT anything other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. So they made a lazy scrip with Liam Neeson shooting shit. Cause everyone loves Liam Neeson shooting shit!

But, it's unfortunate, because I I think it would have been possible to do more with the character and the franchise. Maybe they could have turned it more into a Bourne, Bond, or other sort of spy flick, with Liam Neeson shooting shit, of course.

I also disagree that the first movie played on American fears and what not. If anything, it played on an actual problem and brought awareness to human sex trafficking (which I would argue was the main point of the movie, NOT some "bring hope to middle aged disgruntled men" mumbo jumbo that you seem to think it stood for). I also think it was more playing on how every father wishes to protect their daughter no matter what, and keep their families together (which is similar to your point, but a much brighter take on it). Finally, again, it was really just about Liam Neeson shooting shit.

And as long as I have a movie with Liam Neeson shooting shit, I am happy.

Cause Liam Neeson shooting shit is awesome.

He's not over thinking it, he was just talking about how it was marketed. It would be nice to think these movies are funded by someone bursting into a boardroom and shouting, "I wanna make a movie about Liam Neeson shooting shit!" to which the producers all simultaneously replied, "Awwww hells yeeeeeeeeeah!" and giving him a high five (which is how all movie deals are signed in this universe). The reality is probably pretty much what Bob described. It was likely pitched as targeting the older baby boomer male demographic, by making them feel happy because the character they can relate to is always right and awesome etc. etc. etc.

Planning to hit this one up at the cinema with the girlfriend as it's got a bunch of Turkish actors who are quite famous here (in Turkey, duh), so it's pretty novel for her to see them in a big international blockbuster.

However, Bob: "All of the action takes place in İstanbul and the film never misses a chance to throw in a supposedly ominous Islamic prayer call into the soundtrack..."

I'm going assume you've never actually BEEN to Istanbul, or even Turkey, based on this. :) As someone who's lived in Istanbul for nearly a year and has visited numerous times before as well as being very familiar with the part of the city the film is shot in, I can tell you it's pretty much IMPOSSIBLE for it not to be in the film often, loud AND a lot of the time ominously.

The ezan (call to prayer) happens five times a day, lasts about 2-4 minutes depending on each individual dude singing it, is sung over very powerful loud speakers and to top if all off, you're never more than 500m away from a mosque... and that's if you are in fact far away from one! Not to mention the mosques are more numerous and much larger in that part of the city too. And yes, often, it can actually sound ominous. I live at the top of a hill and am in ear-shot of at least 5 mosques and those are just the ones I know of... when all the sound mixes together it can make a very... interesting effect.

Next time I'm lying in bed awake at 5am because I woke up thinking I was having a night-terror (when really the ezan woke me up and it took me a few seconds to work out what it was), I'll be thinking of you, Bob.

EDIT: Just to add, I imagine the effect would rather be compounded by the shooting schedule... if a scene in a film is over a day, but shooting takes 2 weeks, you're going to pick it up much more in those scenes that it actually occurs day-to-day.

SnakeoilSage:
If my girlfriend had been kidnapped for very real threat of human trafficking, I would likely BURN PARIS TO THE GROUND to find her and ensure she didn't wind up in some disgusting crime lord's heroin-addicted harem.

My own personal wish-fulfillment would be to wish this situation on people who want to be in it so badly. It's a win-win. They get a chance to live their dream of being an action hero, and I get to be smug about being right when they find out that criminal empires are usually empires because they don't collapse in front of solitary vengeance seeking heroes, that "I was trying to find my girlfriend" isn't an effective defence against charges of city-wide arson, or that they just aren't as skilled, equipped, or brave to actually begin any of their claims in the first place.

TheIronDuke:

SnakeoilSage:
If my girlfriend had been kidnapped for very real threat of human trafficking, I would likely BURN PARIS TO THE GROUND to find her and ensure she didn't wind up in some disgusting crime lord's heroin-addicted harem.

My own personal wish-fulfillment would be to wish this situation on people who want to be in it so badly. It's a win-win. They get a chance to live their dream of being an action hero, and I get to be smug about being right when they find out that criminal empires are usually empires because they don't collapse in front of solitary vengeance seeking heroes, that "I was trying to find my girlfriend" isn't an effective defence against charges of city-wide arson, or that they just aren't as skilled, equipped, or brave to actually begin any of their claims in the first place.

Yeah, here's the thing. I don't WANT to be in that situation. I never want to have to be involved in any way shape or form with that kind of thing. I would be tearing my own hair out if someone I loved were kidnapped, forcibly addicted to heroine, and forced to fuck fat crime bosses. I don't give a shit about being an action hero.

But if that's the only perspective you can see, then I guess that explains why you are here acting smug about your little wish-fulfillment fantasy being to watch people going crazy with fear and trying to kill the people who are hurting their loved ones, and why you don't have a relationship with anyone but your computer and a bottle of hand lotion.

TheIronDuke:

SnakeoilSage:
If my girlfriend had been kidnapped for very real threat of human trafficking, I would likely BURN PARIS TO THE GROUND to find her and ensure she didn't wind up in some disgusting crime lord's heroin-addicted harem.

My own personal wish-fulfillment would be to wish this situation on people who want to be in it so badly. It's a win-win. They get a chance to live their dream of being an action hero, and I get to be smug about being right when they find out that criminal empires are usually empires because they don't collapse in front of solitary vengeance seeking heroes, that "I was trying to find my girlfriend" isn't an effective defence against charges of city-wide arson, or that they just aren't as skilled, equipped, or brave to actually begin any of their claims in the first place.

Ah, you appear to think that Neeson stopped the sex trafficking by going on the rampage. No, he just killed some of the cockroaches participating in it. There are always more cockroaches. That doesn't make killing them any less of a worthy endeavor.

SnakeoilSage:

TheIronDuke:

SnakeoilSage:
If my girlfriend had been kidnapped for very real threat of human trafficking, I would likely BURN PARIS TO THE GROUND to find her and ensure she didn't wind up in some disgusting crime lord's heroin-addicted harem.

My own personal wish-fulfillment would be to wish this situation on people who want to be in it so badly. It's a win-win. They get a chance to live their dream of being an action hero, and I get to be smug about being right when they find out that criminal empires are usually empires because they don't collapse in front of solitary vengeance seeking heroes, that "I was trying to find my girlfriend" isn't an effective defence against charges of city-wide arson, or that they just aren't as skilled, equipped, or brave to actually begin any of their claims in the first place.

Yeah, here's the thing. I don't WANT to be in that situation. I never want to have to be involved in any way shape or form with that kind of thing. I would be tearing my own hair out if someone I loved were kidnapped, forcibly addicted to heroine, and forced to fuck fat crime bosses. I don't give a shit about being an action hero.

But if that's the only perspective you can see, then I guess that explains why you are here acting smug about your little wish-fulfillment fantasy being to watch people going crazy with fear and trying to kill the people who are hurting their loved ones, and why you don't have a relationship with anyone but your computer and a bottle of hand lotion.

David Wong:
There is a scene in the movie Pulp Fiction that explains almost every terrible thing happening in the news today. And it's not the scene where Ving Rhames shoots that guy's dick off. It's the part where the hit man played by John Travolta is talking about how somebody vandalized his car, and says this:

"Boy, I wish I could've caught him doing it. I'd have given anything to catch that asshole doing it. It'd been worth him doing it, just so I could've caught him doing it."

That last sentence is something everyone should understand about mankind. After all, the statement is completely illogical -- revenge is supposed to be about righting a wrong. But he wants to be wronged, specifically so he'll have an excuse to get revenge.

We all do. It's in our genes. And once you come to terms with that, a whole lot of ugly things about the world start making sense, the dick of your illusions blown off by the shotgun of truth.

Think about the worst fight you were ever in. Now think about the last time you did cocaine. Did you ever notice how similar the rush was in both instances (maybe you couldn't tell, if both of those things happened on the same night). It's basic biology -- we mentioned before an experiment where scientists found that angry cursing soothes physical pain. It doesn't mean that someday they'll prep you for surgery by injecting you with motherfuckers; it means that when we get angry, our body releases the painkiller norepinephrine. It makes perfect sense -- the emotion we call "anger" or "hate" is a part of our evolutionary fighting instinct, so to prepare us for the battle, it pumps us full of anesthetic to block the pain and releases the pleasure chemical dopamine to ease our fears about fighting the tiger/tribesman/drunken Red Sox fan who is threatening us. Incidentally, these are the same two chemicals that are released when you smoke crack.

Quite simply, hate gets you high.

The science behind it is fairly new, but it explains so much, from wars to the confrontational dick at the office, from racism to the crazy girlfriend/boyfriend who is constantly trying to pick fights or create "drama." You are a biological machine built to hate, and you got that way because your ancestors killed off everyone who wasn't. Rage made you strong, and that strength let you win. This is why so much of society is built around controlling and suppressing it.

Source: http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-humanity-desperately-wants-monsters-to-be-real/

I'm not accusing you of anything - but there genuinely are people who fantasize about terrible things happening to them so that they can indulge in some justified hate-filled violence. And there are media specifically designed to cater to them.

Once again, I'm not saying you fantasize about something terrible happening to your significant other so that you can have revenge fantasy just because you like this movie - that would be terribly presumptuous of me. But there are people like that, and they get high on this stuff.

TheIronDuke:

Mimsofthedawg:
MovieBob, sometimes you look into things WAYYY too much. Most of the time you reveal very interesting tidbits about our culture, and how our movie scape reflects that culture. In this case, I think you totally jumped off the deep end. I really don't think there was much more of a message in Taken 1 other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. And you know what? Taken 2 is just more of the same.

I think writers knew that audiences didn't actually WANT anything other than Liam Neeson shooting shit. So they made a lazy scrip with Liam Neeson shooting shit. Cause everyone loves Liam Neeson shooting shit!

But, it's unfortunate, because I I think it would have been possible to do more with the character and the franchise. Maybe they could have turned it more into a Bourne, Bond, or other sort of spy flick, with Liam Neeson shooting shit, of course.

I also disagree that the first movie played on American fears and what not. If anything, it played on an actual problem and brought awareness to human sex trafficking (which I would argue was the main point of the movie, NOT some "bring hope to middle aged disgruntled men" mumbo jumbo that you seem to think it stood for). I also think it was more playing on how every father wishes to protect their daughter no matter what, and keep their families together (which is similar to your point, but a much brighter take on it). Finally, again, it was really just about Liam Neeson shooting shit.

And as long as I have a movie with Liam Neeson shooting shit, I am happy.

Cause Liam Neeson shooting shit is awesome.

He's not over thinking it, he was just talking about how it was marketed. It would be nice to think these movies are funded by someone bursting into a boardroom and shouting, "I wanna make a movie about Liam Neeson shooting shit!" to which the producers all simultaneously replied, "Awwww hells yeeeeeeeeeah!" and giving him a high five (which is how all movie deals are signed in this universe). The reality is probably pretty much what Bob described. It was likely pitched as targeting the older baby boomer male demographic, by making them feel happy because the character they can relate to is always right and awesome etc. etc. etc.

I addressed this too though. It's equally plausible that someone came in and discussed how fathers always want to protect their daughters, the paranoia of a lost child, and how every parent wishes they could do anything and everything to save their child. It also brought awareness of a very real problem, sex trafficking. etc. And frankly, look at the movie industry. Do you really think they're sitting here thinking of how to add sublime messages about american cultural society? Let me put to you this way: my point is vastly more simple, and I am a believer that if there are two plausible scenarios, the one that's most likely right is the one which is the simplest.

I cant speak specifically about Taken 2. when I see it I'll make my own conclusion. What I do know though, about Moviebob and most critics in general, is that once they start hating a movie, they begin to knickpick.

Also, I'm pretty sure someone bursting into a boardroom screaming about a movie where Liam Neeson just shoots shit was pretty much the premise of Taken 2. So it does happen.

You know, I still think Taken (1) specifically addresses the same brand of escapism many Anime shows and Novels like Harry Potter build on - i.e. "there's more to that ordinary guy than meets the eye", only in a somewhat more sensible fashion.

From what it looks like, Taken 2 seems to do away with that, leaving behind "just" an action movie.

Too bad. I liked that little bit of guilty escapism...

You said it yourself this movie was made by French film makers. The comments on Islam are actually not a reflection of America but a reflection of France. France hates Muslims and have put forth multiple laws to discriminate against them.

Throwitawaynow:
You said it yourself this movie was made by French film makers. The comments on Islam are actually not a reflection of America but a reflection of France. France hates Muslims and have put forth multiple laws to discriminate against them.

I do tend towards giving Movie Bob a break here. His views on things often end up very American in that they omit the rest of the world entirely, but that's quite understandable given the culture he is commenting on is based on the same thing.

But I would agree that just because a movie uses Islamic themes and images, it is not automatically islamophobic. The last time I saw Jewish symbols in a movie, I also did not go "the movie makers must be nazis!"

Yeah, the stock characters for each racial/religious cliché might be overused, but don't blame the soundtrack for trying to bring across a genuine Istanbul atmosphere!

Scars Unseen:
Everything I needed to know about this movie occurred at 3:09. The slowmo protagonist strut with the birds flying behind him is never a good sign.

except in TF2

I care not for mindless films, I will avoid this.

CyborgGinger:
The ezan (call to prayer) happens five times a day, lasts about 2-4 minutes depending on each individual dude singing it, is sung over very powerful loud speakers and to top if all off, you're never more than 500m away from a mosque... and that's if you are in fact far away from one! Not to mention the mosques are more numerous and much larger in that part of the city too. And yes, often, it can actually sound ominous. I live at the top of a hill and am in ear-shot of at least 5 mosques and those are just the ones I know of... when all the sound mixes together it can make a very... interesting effect.

Next time I'm lying in bed awake at 5am because I woke up thinking I was having a night-terror (when really the ezan woke me up and it took me a few seconds to work out what it was), I'll be thinking of you, Bob.

You'd be correct that I've not been to Istanbul, but I am aware of the ubiquity of the ezan broadcasts in predominantly Muslim countries. However, I wasn't talking about ambient noise, I'm talking about deliberate soundtrack drops - typically occuring during establishing shots or "slo-mo pan over the bad guys" shots.

Fun "secret" about Hollywood movies: Almost NONE of the sounds you hear during a movie was actually recorded alongside the action they accompany - not even a lot of the actor's dialogue, if the scene was shot outdoors. For example, If a scene is taking place outside, pay attention to the background noise (re: busy street, wind, trees rustling, water, whatever) from shot to shot: Most of the time, you'll hear the sound remain at the same relative pitch without any audible cuts or edits even as the camera cuts to a completely different angle - which, if you've ever edited camcorder footage, you know isn't how microphones work. 9 times out of ten EVERY sound you hear in a movie other than someone speaking (we're talking footsteps, ambient sound, animal noises, papers-rustling, EVERYTHING) is added to the footage later so that the levels and pitch can be controlled in post-production.

The takeaway from this should be that there's generally no such thing as a sound (certainly not a specific, identifiable one like a prayer call) winding up on a soundtrack that WASN'T intended to be there. Even if the camera mics did just "pick it up" during shooting (not probably in this case, given that it's mostly played over shots that would've almost-certainly been shot either without sound to begin with or with the intent of cutting out all "natural" sound in post) if they didn't want it there they'd have simply mixed it out.

SnakeoilSage:

Pipotchi:
No you wouldnt! You'd call the police like any sane person and then sit agonisingly by the phone in the hope that they had found your girlfriend.

When you fall in love some day you'll understand.

Oh, we do. And then later in life we realize how foolish it is to say those kinds of things and try to forget that we said them, lest the embarrassment overwhelm us.

But don't worry, you're in good company; you're not the first to say something like that, and you won't be the last. It's been a known phenomenon for a long, long time:

The vainglory which consisteth in the feigning or supposing of
abilities in ourselves, which we know are not, is most incident to
young men, and nourished by the histories or fictions of gallant
persons; and is corrected oftentimes by age and employment.
-Hobbes,
Leviathan

Oh, hey, they're actually doing a sequel to Amazing Spider-Man? I didn't know that.

Heh. Bob's rather unreasonable hatred of that film was useful for a change. Honestly, I feared that the film doing well but not outdoing any of the Raimi ones would make them try again without Webb, or maybe without Garfield, and I'm really glad that's not happening. I'm really confident that with a set direction and no last minute rewrites these could go from good to great.

Also,

McMullen:

But don't worry, you're in good company; you're not the first to say something like that, and you won't be the last. It's been a known phenomenon for a long, long time:

The vainglory which consisteth in the feigning or supposing of
abilities in ourselves, which we know are not, is most incident to
young men, and nourished by the histories or fictions of gallant
persons; and is corrected oftentimes by age and employment.
-Hobbes,
Leviathan

I think I like you.

And there was Mustard-man! Or whatever name he would call himself! As always nice review
bob, but there was something missing. I dunno.... Maybe some: Ratpack! And Broomgirl!

Gordon_4:
He was actually fighting another person (and for a while getting his arse kicked) on the largest part of a 747's wing while its at taxi speed. Big difference to jumping on the back of a F-35 mkII that has it's VTOL engaged.

Both are equally implausible but one is less so than the other.

Hehe, thanks for that logic

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