Hating Multiplayer Creep

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Hating Multiplayer Creep

There's nothing wrong with playing by yourself.

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Yahtzee, I am disapointed. You had the opportunity to make everyone's free time disappear by linking to tvtropes and you didn't do so.
I must correct this at once!

I tried BL2 single player for about an hour and quit. I came back to it for multi and it was much better. I only do mulitplayer with friends though, and we all work for a living so there is only a 2 hour window every couple of weeks when we are all online and can shoot stuff. I guess thats why there are games like Dishonored to play when you are going it alone.

Preach, brother, preach. I love Borderlands, but I have spent less than an hour playing multiplayer, and that was with someone I knew. I shouldn't HAVE to like mixing being social with gaming. Sometimes the twain just don't wanna meet.

I think the alcohol thing is about trying to make people drink less by associating it with something more awkward and painstaking and also trying to convince you to place yourself in an environment where other people have a chance to exert control other you as your decision making slips. So in a way they agree, with drinking alone is much nicer, so much nicer that there are some people who wouldn't stop.

I mean it's not like they have alcohol advertising regulations are their to force people to experience whats felt as a more social life. I think it's probably more that alcohol advertising regulations are there to regulate the consumption of alcohol, saving money for the NHS and to stop advertising companies trying to influence society to support any idea that will make corporations richer at any expense

'lovely crisp dry Strongbow'

I don't care what else you said in that, I take offence to this the most. For shame. Strongbow is horrible

You forgot the "online friend who constantly wants to play the same game".

I'll get messaged everytime I turn on my console to play [insert title here] online. It comes to a point where I'm afraid to turn it on all together.

I agree completely - especially on the Borderlands 2 portions. My fiancÚ has been playing online with other folks and he enjoys it greatly, but I find it an offensive intrusion into MY time with MY game when one of his friends just inserts themselves into whatever I'm doing and makes themselves at home. It is unnerving in the extreme and I refused to play again until we found a way to shut that door.

I am baffled as to why developers thought it would be something desirable to just let random folks wander into your single player at a whim uninvited. Truly.

Dr_Pie:
'lovely crisp dry Strongbow'

I don't care what else you said in that, I take offence to this the most. For shame. Strongbow is horrible

Horrible and sweet, There are sweeter ciders than strongbow but that doesn't make it dry.

Never have I agred with anyone as much as you right now. I too dislike people. I have friends but people are irritating. Yet I am called anti social. I have no problem being in social situations. I go to many places with the friends I have. Why must I be forced to spend time with random strangers. As an Englishman I have been trained from birth to be cold, distant and mistrusting of all strangers. You can ask someone what time it is and if the bus has been yet. That is all.

Yahtzee Croshaw:

It's true, though, isn't it? This is a society that demonizes the introvert.

This has bothered me for ages.

There's nothing wrong with being the guy who'd rather just stay in and have a quiet night.

The thing I loved about the first borderlands was the humor, and that is very much improved in the second game. I do the side quests just to hear the extra bit of dialogue the game has for their completion.

I hate playing the game with mutiplayer, someone always want's to rush the game so I miss out on the story and level up too much for the side quests to have any challenge; being a sniper I always end up being to far away from the action to score any good loot from kills negating the whole better loot in multiplayer aspect... Borderlands 1 at least had all of their chests scaled to your level but borderlands 2 seems to have their chests scaled to areas, making them effectively worthless.

I'll probably do some multiplayer if I feel the desire to play NG+ but considering how boring the actual gameplay is once I know the dialogue rewards I probably will just play something else.

Mylinkay Asdara:
I am baffled as to why developers thought it would be something desirable to just let random folks wander into your single player at a whim uninvited. Truly.

In theory, probably for convenience: you don't have to stop your game, invite your friends, restart it after they all join, etc. as you would in, say, Left 4 Dead. They can just hop in and join you. That is why there are all those network options to make the game open to everyone, invite-only, offline...

So am I the only one who read the article title and thought it was going to be about Borderlands 2's stupid-high damage/health inflation in playthrough 2 (seriously, compare level 50 weapons in BL2 to level 69 weapons in BL1; the numbers are massively boosted) and/or the rate at which players can rapidly create distance from other players if they stop playing co-op and go it alone for even a few hours then pick up with the same players from before again to find themselves 3-7 levels apart with vastly different storyline positions?

I don't know if society demonizes the introvert so much anymore.
You seem to have done a fairly good job demonizing yourself :P

@ Casual Shinji, if you go to preferences on Xbox live (I assume that's what you use), highlight "Appear Offline" and then sign in. You will not be bugged and then invite in whomever you wish when you want to play multiplayer, hope this helps. As for PC or PS3 I don't know if it has those options.

It's not hard to see why the introvert is demonised. Encouraging gaming or drinking alone or advertising it in that fashion will sell one copy/beer. Discouraging it will multiply the potential market exponentially.

Yahtzee's right though. Everything seems to be a group activity now. Even when I go to a library to read, it's as loud as an urban cafe with groups of students talking, library staff chatting amongst themselves, and mommies thinking it's a good place to take their screaming kids.

I pretty much feel the same about multiplayer. I constantly get bombarded with messages via facebook asking "You on live? etc." and the answer is always the same, no. No, no, no. I don't care about competing, or even playing co-op, and I don't play well with others. All I care about is that a game is fun and enjoyable.

So what happens when you take 2 somewhat socially awkward people and put them at a party together? Some signed books, and some backhanded compliments. lol. Seriously though, it was nice to meet you at Escapist Expo, I find the easiest way to deal with anxiety is the ability to be able to laugh at yourself, it works for me anyways.

...and there's nothing wrong with drinking alone!

Great article, keep up the good work! :)

I find the Borderlands solo experience wonderful, and the improved story and more fleshed out characters of BL 2 only increase that enjoyment. If anything, I always do my first play through solo, and then I fiddle with multiplayer so I can play at my own pace and appreciate the games humor and story without slowing down a more experienced players progression.

Afterwards I bring along buddies for the big challenges and sweet loot. It's a shame Yahtzee won't acknowledge that with this game it's not the quality, but his taste in games that makes him dislike it.

For me the heavy loot games are for people who like the challenge and equipment bragging rights of MMO type games, but without many of the hassles of the genre (impersonal story, monthly fees, guild drama) if that's not an acquired taste, I don't know what is.

As much as I agree that multiplayer shouldn't be shoehorned into every game that's predominantly single player, you have to admit it works on some occasions. I mean, look at Ass Creed II; Excellent single player that more than makes up for the previous instalment's failings, but also a peripheral multiplayer that lets you hunt other players for sport. Tactics, executions and holding a grudge against the sod that killed you three times in a row. What more could you ask for?

xEightBitPlayerx:
@ Casual Shinji, if you go to preferences on Xbox live (I assume that's what you use), highlight "Appear Offline" and then sign in. You will not be bugged and then invite in whomever you wish when you want to play multiplayer, hope this helps. As for PC or PS3 I don't know if it has those options.

Depends, but most social programs have such a feature called "invisible". In Steam, it is called "offline", as you can't chat with people anymore and basically log out of Friends. (but still can use the rest of the Community-features like Matchmaking, Cloud, ect.)
And I am pretty sure that PS3 offers the same thing, too - don't ask me where, as I don't use PS3.

I'm on board 100%. I'm not in college anymore, and I can count on 1 hand the number of remaining friends who still play video games. And I've been around the block as far as MMOs and MOBAs go, and the general online gamer pool is not a pretty sight.
Now I realize that single player means 1x profit as opposed to something like Borderlands being up to 4x profit, but those good single players are really good. If Bethesda's going to be the only one making these things any longer, I'll stick with them. Whatever it takes. Just make. good. single-player. games.

DVS BSTrD:
I don't know if society demonizes the introvert so much anymore.
You seem to have done a fairly good job demonizing yourself :P

Oh, they can demonize anything these days, including movie fans, fast food restaurants, people that wear A&F, even children based squarely on ethnicity (and I mean children + ethnicity, not one or the other, though that happens too).

Our sad or entertaining state of affairs.

Amen, yahtzee. I┤ve pretty much abandonded multiplayer for most of those reasons. I just want my peace and quiet, a good single player game and a Leffe Royale.

As much as I love Borderlands 2, I have to agree with you on this. I dont have XBL Gold anymoire because Im just tired of multiplayer games ATM, and have only played BL2 solo. But God... the game is literally designed for co-op play. Didnt notice it in the first playthrough, but after starting my second on True Vault hunter mode, dear God... half the missions I blazed through on the first, I didnt even bother trying to attempt because of the difficulty of the enemies in the areas.

Though, the fact all my guns are around the low 40s when Im at level 48, but Jebus, I havent found a fucking gun better than what I have... wish I would have gotten that loot artifact when I started that playthrough.

Spot on though i think the main point gets lost in the whole i hate people stuff :P.

Publishers forcing developers to devote resources toward multiplayer, even though it makes no sense for the franchise, mass effect 3 i am looking at you, especially when none of the other games had it, and worse off to get the uber end you either had to be forced to play mp, or hack/mod the game to fix that on your own.

No single player game should be sacrificed to shoehorn in multiplayer. And each and every flaw that is found in games from now on will have that nagging, if only they did not have to devote time and resources into this crap mp would the base game have been better?

Since EA and are clearing going this route that means even jade empire 2 if we ever see it will have to have some deathmatch mp crap tacked on, and if the story is not as good as it can be, and if the mechanics are not as good as hey could be, etc.....

All the major publishers can die in a fire, go go kickstarter.

A hypocritical post, yes, but CHEERS Mr. Croshaw!

Yahtzee Croshaw:

Fuck random strangers.

Perhaps an unfortunate choice for a stand-alone sentence. That being said...
Yes SIR!

YES! YES! OH FUCK ME YES!!!!

Okay, I'm probably getting a little overexcited here, so I think I should clarify my own p.o.v. a bit. I don't hate multiplayer. I actually really enjoy playing with friends most of the time. Borderlands, Guild Wars 2, Team Fortress, Payday: The Heist, my online D&D campaign nights, I love them, warts and all. I'm also not adverse to certain social media (obviously).

However, in person I -am- more introverted than a social butterfly. I'll go to a party if invited, but mostly I'm going to be enjoying a drink and the snack bar and talking with maybe 1 or 2 people. I do NOT want to be surrounded by a half dozen or more vapid, shallow twits with the collective social courtesy of a Jerry Springer episode. I don't find enjoyment acting like a 'tard in front of a crowd, and frankly, I hate how society at large is going to great lengths to convince both me and everyone around me that I have some kind of major dysfunction for not wanting to have so many personal acquaintances I could form my own political party. And if someone doesn't think that's any meaningful way to live, fuck them.

I just wish I could always feel that self-confident about my social lifestyle. But there's no denying I feel pressure from societal expectations and like I'm being made uncomfortable with not living up to what the mainstream expects of someone my age, gender, etc. So yeah, reading stuff like this week's EP is actually pretty relieving. It helps me remember I'm not completely by myself on this matter and I just might actually have a right to feel the way I do.

I'll only ever get enjoyment out of multiplayer games when friends tag along. Even then, I mostly love playing through a co-op tailored experience with close friends that you can crack jokes with or actually rely on to not get bothered by helping you or vice versa.

What I loved about Resident Evil 5's mercenaries mode was that I can play with a complete stranger and still have fun, for the fact we have a common purpose and could easily communicate with "Come on!" or "Go!" or "Wait!" without having to resort to: "Hey! Follow me f****t!" or "Oh my God! This is so f*****g [homosexual]!"

Motor-mouth players make me cringe, just play the damn game with a quip or two and a helping hand. This is something I learned with Dead Island and Borderlands... only with friends from now on! For some reason, Left 4 Dead never seems to have this annoying gamer problem for me. Hmm.

This is part of the reason I've never really been able to get into Left For Dead. It would be fine with a group of people I know, but the idea of being the odd man out who doesn't know the most effective route through the map and maybe accidentally grabs or uses a resource someone else really needs or accidentally wakes up the Witch makes me uncomfortable; for some reason it's more important for strangers to be glad I'm there than friends who are more likely to give me the benefit of the doubt. I don't need to save the day, but I don't want to be the tool who loses it, either.

Mike Fang:
YES! YES! OH FUCK ME YES!!!!

Okay, I'm probably getting a little overexcited here, so I think I should clarify my own p.o.v. a bit. I don't hate multiplayer. I actually really enjoy playing with friends most of the time. Borderlands, Guild Wars 2, Team Fortress, Payday: The Heist, my online D&D campaign nights, I love them, warts and all. I'm also not adverse to certain social media (obviously).

However, in person I -am- more introverted than a social butterfly. I'll go to a party if invited, but mostly I'm going to be enjoying a drink and the snack bar and talking with maybe 1 or 2 people. I do NOT want to be surrounded by a half dozen or more vapid, shallow twits with the collective social courtesy of a Jerry Springer episode. I don't find enjoyment acting like a 'tard in front of a crowd, and frankly, I hate how society at large is going to great lengths to convince both me and everyone around me that I have some kind of major dysfunction for not wanting to have so many personal acquaintances I could form my own political party. And if someone doesn't think that's any meaningful way to live, fuck them.

I just wish I could always feel that self-confident about my social lifestyle. But there's no denying I feel pressure from societal expectations and like I'm being made uncomfortable with not living up to what the mainstream expects of someone my age, gender, etc. So yeah, reading stuff like this week's EP is actually pretty relieving. It helps me remember I'm not completely by myself on this matter and I just might actually have a right to feel the way I do.

Well, this is basically all that needs to be said.

I don't care if I'm looking to love someone or not, if I'm introverted just let me be. And I am introverted and I have trouble at parties that look like mass gatherings, I just can't stand that.

PS: What is it with TVHM and needing co-op? I haven't gotten that far yet, but is it so bad that you need people to help you with it?

Dr_Pie:
'lovely crisp dry Strongbow'

I don't care what else you said in that, I take offence to this the most. For shame. Strongbow is horrible

Here here, that stuff is like vomit in a can.

I personally prefer to settle in with a bottle of Jamesons and marathon me some classic survival horror games.

cidbahamut:

Yahtzee Croshaw:

It's true, though, isn't it? This is a society that demonizes the introvert.

This has bothered me for ages.

There's nothing wrong with being the guy who'd rather just stay in and have a quiet night.

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I'm reading a goddamn book, thank you very much.

You're confusing things, Yahtzee. Companies just want money. They add multiplayer and co-op to everything because it's "social", because as Facebook taught us, we live in the "social" age now, which is "modern" and "revolutionary" and, above else, makes a fuckload of money. And fuckloads of money the developers need, for we live in a time of great insecurity and fear, where games cost human souls to make and need to turn even bigger a profit. Sure, some devs care less about the money and more about gaming "becoming relevant" and "evolving", because they're morons who honestly believe that this is the way to go.

Multiplayer/co-op elements are just an extension of "broadening appeal", for everyone these days seems to think that the more people get in on something, the better, ignoring the fact that the masses at large are, indeed, shit. Jim was right with his episode this week, and it pertains to this as well. Everyone truly is desperate for attention.

It's not the people who ask for this shit, it's the ones making the products. And they don't care if you stay introverted or not. They only care about leeching off the people who are actually social.

Also, ads don't show people drinking alone because it obviously carries depressing undertones. Other than that, though, I sympathize with the rest you say about society shunning introverts. What would you honestly expect, though?

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