Sports Nerds Are Nerds Too

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Sports Nerds Are Nerds Too

In some way or another, we're all nerds.

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In full agreement with Mr. Croshaw. What cinched it for me was the first time I learned about Fantasy Football, AKA Dungeons & Dragons for sports nerds.

I liked this EP. I've been saying that people that are super into sports are just as nerdy as all the rest of us. Then I have to work my way out of a locker and find my clothes.

Edit: Yeah, Fantasy football, what's the deal? I know a couple people who play it, and they insist that it's nothing like roleplaying or D&D or anything like that. You're roleplaying as a football manager person!

That's another EP that's rather like a Big Picture episode from waaay back. Good point though. It reminds me I have something else with which to mock sports fans (and anyone who calls me a nerd without realising the implication).

I don't know, just because being a professional footballer is actually achieveable for a small subset of people (at the highest levels, that is) doesn't mean that for the majority it's any more of an unattainable fantasy as shooting guys in outer space is.

Definitely with Yahtzee on the main point though. My brother's knowledge of football and baseball, particularly all the numbers and statistics, is far more nerdy than my comparatively less weighty knowledge of video games.

Like watching the weightlifters in case any of them suffer horrible injury again, the hopes of a nation shattering alongside their elbow joint.

As a weightlifter, I would just like to point out that weightlifting has the lowest injury rate of any sport. Carry on.

Speaking as a nerd, of all the things I nerd out about, sports is the worst. Worse than video games. Worse than movies. Worse than news. Just because you're debating whether or not LeSean McCoy will be able to get 100 rushing yards against the Seahawks defense or debating if it's better to play a thief or an assassin as a Khajiit in Skyrim, it's all nerd talk. Dead on, Yahtzee.

Quijiboh:
As a weightlifter, I would just like to point out that weightlifting has the lowest injury rate of any sport. Carry on.

Lower than darts and boccia? ;)

Sorry. I fully believe you that weight-lifting has a low injury rate. I just hear "lowest injury rate of any sport" about a lot of sports!

I prefer to tell people that fencing (my sport of choice) has a lower injury rate than golf. This is perfectly true as long as you remember that "injury" in this case refers to something that requires hospital treatment. Thanks to our safety equipment, almost no one gets injured so badly in fencing that they actually need to go to hospital. Whereas a few people have heart-attacks playing golf every year.

Yes we sport fans are just like nerds, albeit with a more active lifestyle *remembers Newcastle fans* actually forget the active lifestyle bit :P

So let's just all get along and enojoy a game of FIFA together... or D&D whichever.

bazaalmon:
I liked this EP. I've been saying that people that are super into sports are just as nerdy as all the rest of us. Then I have to work my way out of a locker and find my clothes.

Edit: Yeah, Fantasy football, what's the deal? I know a couple people who play it, and they insist that it's nothing like roleplaying or D&D or anything like that. You're roleplaying as a football manager person!

I wouldn't call it roleplaying per see. All fantasy football is that you select an 11 man team and receive points based on the performance of the players in the matches they play in. While a knowledge of football and some knowledge of player performances would be useful, it is quite possible for someone with no knowledge of football to do well in a fantasy football league. And really the only "managerial" decision you make is changing your captain or subbing out players who aren't earning enough points, meaning you have to put anymore effort into it beyond that. Comparatively fantasy football is not as involving as roleplaying or D&D, though I guess it could be argued it is in the same ball park as them.

Teoes:
That's another EP that's rather like a Big Picture episode from waaay back. Good point though. It reminds me I have something else with which to mock sports fans (and anyone who calls me a nerd without realising the implication).

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/the-big-picture/2522-A-Nerd-By-Any-Other-Name

Yes, I believe that Mr. Chipman's plagiarism lawyers might like to have a word with you Mr. Croshaw.

(Yes, I know that MovieBob didn't invent the comparisons that appear in that vid. Yes, I know that said comparisions aren't actually copyrighted. It's a joke.)

And gymnastics, because all those tight leotards are quite hypnotic. The good thing about that is that it doesn't matter if you're watching the male or the female gymnastics because they all basically look the same, all short hair and no tits.

Just admit that you can't resist watching some hot buff men on your screen.

The Artificially Prolonged:
I wouldn't call it roleplaying per see. All fantasy football is that you select an 11 man team and receive points based on the performance of the players in the matches they play in. While a knowledge of football and some knowledge of player performances would be useful, it is quite possible for someone with no knowledge of football to do well in a fantasy football league. And really the only "managerial" decision you make is changing your captain or subbing out players who aren't earning enough points, meaning you have to put anymore effort into it beyond that. Comparatively fantasy football is not as involving as roleplaying or D&D, though I guess it could be argued it is in the same ball park as them.

Yes, that's true - we're just talking about a group activity in which a player assembles a group of heroes (i.e., team) to embark on a quest (series of games) to defeat enemies (opposing teams) to earn a treasure (Super Bowl trophy) using statistics to represent that group of heroes' skill at various real-life activities (ability scores) and decide the outcome of encounters (games).

Nothing at all like role-playing games.

MetalMagpie:

Quijiboh:
As a weightlifter, I would just like to point out that weightlifting has the lowest injury rate of any sport. Carry on.

Lower than darts and boccia? ;)

Sorry. I fully believe you that weight-lifting has a low injury rate. I just hear "lowest injury rate of any sport" about a lot of sports!

I prefer to tell people that fencing (my sport of choice) has a lower injury rate than golf. This is perfectly true as long as you remember that "injury" in this case refers to something that requires hospital treatment. Thanks to our safety equipment, almost no one gets injured so badly in fencing that they actually need to go to hospital. Whereas a few people have heart-attacks playing golf every year.

Sorry, should have said "one of the lowest injury rates". Heat of the moment :P.

I lifted this from a book called 'Starting Strength'. So you know, state your biases and all that:

Injury rates for soccer are 6.2 per 100 hours of participation on average. Basketball is 1.03. Tennis 0.07. Weightlifting was down near the bottom at 0.0006.

Didn't say about Fencing, unfortunately.

EDIT: Also, Darts is not a sport.

When he talks about having to run hands under the hot tap to regain sensation, HE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC. I, as a Brit, can verify this.

When Moviebob pointed out some time ago that wearing jerseys was cosplay, it blew my fucking mind.

Yahtzee Croshaw:

people who are into gaming but aren't into football definitely can't enjoy a football game

I must point out that this is simply not true, I have 4 good friends that absolutely loath football, yet are all part of my online club and play Regulus, because they simply enjoy the gameplay. They enjoy the tactical elements to the game, as in setting up the right team, putting different players in different positions to beat different opponents. They enjoy building up lower league team, making ambitious signings and developing youth players to bring a small side like Huddersfield to the premier league and Europe. Trying different skill moves out and scoring difficult goals both on and offline is fun, the gameplay is very enjoyable. One friend made fun of us for always playing FIFA, saying football is boring, their cant be any fun in it as there is no difference in each game and generally saying each fifa is a squad update. Since being forced to try it out, his brought every game since. In fact my PC loving Neckbearded best freind played FIFA 12 more than me, who lives and breaths football.

All I'm saying is you don't have to be invested in a concept to enjoy a well made game which centers around it. I find aciteture dull and am sure city management is dull in real life, but love sim city.

Cat of Doom:

Yahtzee Croshaw:

people who are into gaming but aren't into football definitely can't enjoy a football game

I must point out that this is simply not true, I have 4 good friends that absolutely loath football, yet are all part of my online club and play Regulus, because they simply enjoy the gameplay. They enjoy the tactical elements to the game, as in setting up the right team, putting different players in different positions to beat different opponents. They enjoy building up lower league team, making ambitious signings and developing youth players to bring a small side like Huddersfield to the premier league and Europe. Trying different skill moves out and scoring difficult goals both on and offline is fun, the gameplay is very enjoyable. One friend made fun of us for always playing FIFA, saying football is boring, their cant be any fun in it as there is no difference in each game and generally saying each fifa is a squad update. Since being forced to try it out, his brought every game since.

All I'm saying is you don't have to be invested in a concept to enjoy a well made game which centers around it. I find aciteture dull and am sure city management is dull in real life, but love sim city.

Like a sir

Fifa games are allot of fun as "games" as well as "football games". As with allot of games, if you play well, you have fun. When there is strategy, you feel great when you outdo your opponent or completely outclass them. It's fun when there are so many variables a match can change with the slightest mistake, similar to the dayZ experience; You make one small mistake it can cost you your game.
Making your own team is fun because you build your own team up (sometimes from scratch). The online clubs element of the game is fantastic for friends. Team work is a vital part of almost all multiplayer games and it can be a great laugh. I for one endorse these games even if they are created by the abomination that is 'EA'.

I enjoy FIFA 13...okay I prefer FIFA 12 because APPARENTLY, of the two things they changed between games, applying butter to all the player's shoes was one of them. But anyhow, it's a game I play with my non-gamer friends, and it took me a couple of days practice to catch up to their level. I'm a fast learner, it happens. I know next to nothing about football. I know what the offside rule is, and that's about it. I can also personally attest to Yahtzee's opening anecdote about English rugby. We had a Welsh PE teacher whose reaction to cold weather was "Get out there and play lads". Once we did it in the snow. Unpleasant. Most of the time it was just frozen mud...but good god, the snow...

Anyway. I enjoy FIFA as much as I enjoy any other game I play. It does take thought. It does take skill. And it does take reflexes. It is as 'valid' a videogame as any other out there.

But you know what's really messed up? FIFA 13 includes live-changing ratings, so if a player in the real world has a bad few games, his rating in-game is affected. WHY has it taken this long to add that? FIFA 12 feels really, really dated in response. That's just ridiculous.

And the games have done nothing for my innate hatred of Messi, Iniesta and that absolute tit Ronaldo.

jjofearth:
When he talks about having to run hands under the hot tap to regain sensation, HE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC. I, as a Brit, can verify this.

My class and I once staged a sit-in protest about being made to go out and play rugby in the snow. Our teacher, with no trace of irony, yelled at us that it wasn't that cold and to get out there - whilst bundled up in a thick tracksuit and gloves while we sat there in shorts and single shirts.

There was a great article on The Onion a couple years ago about a guy who had 40 years of sports statistics for 3 or 4 pro sports just about memorized, who was mocking his neighbour's geekiness for being able to describe every issue of the last 40 years of X-Men comics. I don't think it's online any more, sadly.

Quijiboh:

jjofearth:
When he talks about having to run hands under the hot tap to regain sensation, HE IS NOT BEING SARCASTIC. I, as a Brit, can verify this.

My class and I once staged a sit-in protest about being made to go out and play rugby in the snow. Our teacher, with no trace of irony, yelled at us that it wasn't that cold and to get out there - whilst bundled up in a thick tracksuit and gloves while we sat there in shorts and single shirts.

YES. Exactly this. The worst part was when we were made to go out when it was proper pissing it down and the wool-clad teachers were all accusing the class of wimpery, and then 20 minutes before the end they let us go in anyway. EXPEDIENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE SIR.

The injury rates discussion prompted me to think about the injuries and accidents I saw while watching gymnastics competitions:
Achilles tear
ACL tear
Knee cap injury
Fall on head (fortunately without injury)
Broken femur (it's pretty tough to break your femur)
Various other leg injuries

Maybe if he wants to see catastrophic, hope-killing injuries, he should pay more attention to gymnastics.

Too bad it's not a sport that would make a good videogame.

Wow you've accomplished quite a bit at 29... color me impressed.

Wait... So if all that is true, then pornstars are sex nerds?

*My mind = Blown!* 0_o

Quijiboh:
Injury rates for soccer are 6.2 per 100 hours of participation on average. Basketball is 1.03. Tennis 0.07. Weightlifting was down near the bottom at 0.0006.

Didn't say about Fencing, unfortunately.

Just for perspective, for how long does a weightlifter actually "participate" (i.e., lift weights) in a typical competition? Because an hour is about a typical match for a soccer or basketball player.

I'm sure weight-lifting is still way down there for injuries, even if only by virtue of the fact that you don't share space with 9 other guys jockeying for position.

Falseprophet:
There was a great article on The Onion a couple years ago about a guy who had 40 years of sports statistics for 3 or 4 pro sports just about memorized, who was mocking his neighbour's geekiness for being able to describe every issue of the last 40 years of X-Men comics. I don't think it's online any more, sadly.

Is this the same The Onion with the article of John Maddon eating an RV? http://www.theonion.com/articles/john-madden-finally-just-eats-rv,29842/

and this... http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-unleashes-torrent-of-vomit-on-debate-stage,29886/

craddoke:

The Artificially Prolonged:
I wouldn't call it roleplaying per see. All fantasy football is that you select an 11 man team and receive points based on the performance of the players in the matches they play in. While a knowledge of football and some knowledge of player performances would be useful, it is quite possible for someone with no knowledge of football to do well in a fantasy football league. And really the only "managerial" decision you make is changing your captain or subbing out players who aren't earning enough points, meaning you have to put anymore effort into it beyond that. Comparatively fantasy football is not as involving as roleplaying or D&D, though I guess it could be argued it is in the same ball park as them.

Yes, that's true - we're just talking about a group activity in which a player assembles a group of heroes (i.e., team) to embark on a quest (series of games) to defeat enemies (opposing teams) to earn a treasure (Super Bowl trophy) using statistics to represent that group of heroes' skill at various real-life activities (ability scores) and decide the outcome of encounters (games).

Nothing at all like role-playing games.

You can look at it like that but when I take part in a fantasy league all that happens is numbers go up based on goals scored, conceded, wins, defeats etc. ie. things that you have absolutely no control in. The only thing you can do is hope you get lucky. Technically I would consider fantasy football to more like gambling games such as roulette than D&D.

Now of course I don't understand much about D&D, but I do understand that dice can add the same type of random element as I describe in fantasy football. But if I understand the correctly the rolls of the dice are influenced by the attributes of the characters, something which is not present in fantasy leagues. Now I don't disagree that you could call fantasy football similar to roleplaying, however the point I'm trying to make is that games like D&D are much more complex and involving than these leagues. As such to compare them to something as basic as fantasy football could be considered more of insult to D&D games than to people who play fantasy football.

Now Championship Manager, Master League mode in PES, and Be a Pro mode in FIFA on the other hand, they are without a doubt role playing games, and quite in depth ones at that. I think they would be a better comparison with D&D.

Gotta say I didn't see this coming. Nice to see Yahtzee not insulting someone...or rather insulting everyone so that it levels out. That works too.

"And went 'WHURRRRRGH' like a walrus that's just spotted a sinking herring trawler."

Oh God, must not laugh out loud or my coworkers will give me strange looks...XD

I've heard this argument before, and yes it is somewhat right - sports fans are nerdy. But we are focusing on the similarities instead of the differences. By and large, people who are into sport play sports. People who play a lot of sport are more fit, and their hobby demands them to be more outgoing. There is a marked differences between a guy who sits at home painting his airfix, and a fullback who's a little too into his Madden. I'm generalizing of course, but you know I'm right.

There's no good in trying to tell a jock he is a nerd because he collects sports statistics, because he lacks almost every stereotypical quality associated with a nerd, something which I'm sure he'll explain to you whilst putting you in a bin.

CAPTCHA: "Exercise more".

Fuck off.

maninahat:
There's no good in trying to tell a jock he is a nerd because he collects sports statistics, because he lacks almost every stereotypical quality associated with a nerd, something which I'm sure he'll explain to you whilst putting you in a bin.

I kind of agree, but it's not like the stereotypical qualities make or break the trait. I mean, if you look at it this way:

[Nerd; def.] 2. single-minded enthusiast: somebody who is considered to be excessively interested in a subject or activity that is regarded as too technical or scientific (often used in combination; offensive in some contexts)

anyone with any sort of hobby can be considered a nerd, because EVERYTHING has some 'technical' aspect, and calling something 'too' technical depends on how much interest you have in that particular area. For example, football (the American game, this time), is 'too technical,' in my books. There are an inordinate amount of players on the field, too many plays to make, or ways to change the plays on the fly, (Audibles? So, what, do I just shout at you?), not to mention you have two entirely different line-ups for offense and defense, and positions only exist in one or the other. It just gets RIDICULOUS.

I know that you weren't wholly disagreeing with the point, and, yes, because of the lack of the stereotypical qualities, a lot of people wouldn't see it, but taken in context, even lacking the stereotypes, you can't really successfully refute the argument.

Also, I'm not particularly worried about being shoved in a bin, because the jocks at my high-school were actually fairly well-mannered, (save for the few who were just complete d-bags), and I don't think an adult could get away with shoving people into bins. ;)

CAPTCHA: Talk to strangers - they wouldn't shove me in a bin. Just into the back of a van. With no candy in it, despite the fact they promised me candy.

I can't believe he used to have a hot tap in the changing room!

I remember one time, someone was insulting cosplayers, which promptly lead me to make this:

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(No comments on how bad it looks... it's supposed to)

I would say, that the subject of the obsession being obscure, or it's intensity discouraged by mainstream society, is also an important part of the nerd definition.

In this sense, wearing a football T-shirt or being really excited about the upcoming big game are not particularly nerdy traits, (though neither is recognizing a Star Wars reference, or knowing what a Tardis is).

On the other hand, memorizing the whole membership and long term track reckord of several dozen football teams, or being enthusiastic about the upcoming national women's lacrosse championship, are both as extremely nerdy as memorizing the list of all Battlestar Galactica episodes, or being excited about the next MLP episode.

Another way sports fans are as big of nerds as the rest of us-tribalism! My cousins are huge White Sox fans and they love talking smack about the Chicago Cubs and their fans, a team the Sox will play only 6 times a season. On the other side of town, Cubs fans are always sure to mention what a crappy ballpark U.S. Celluar is. And on AM Radio, 'Screw the Packers' is the regular mantra of callers during the fall (and pretty much the rest of the year, too).

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