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Let's Remake Star Wars

MovieBob offers up some reasons why a remake of the classic sci-fi/fantasy film series may be a good thing.

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It's simple - we kill Lucas, then progress can ensue.

In all seriousness, I've been thinking about what I'd change if i made a remake for ages, so it's nice to see that reflected in the work of someone i respect as much as MovieBob.

shadowmagus:
No.

agree, but only do the obi-wan rematch fight. That was kinda stupid then and its even more stupid now, considering the epic fight they had several years earlier (or later as you will)

Blasphemy! I cannot see a good reason for this, other then to get George to leave them alone.

Four reasons stacked against five hundred is not good odds or a good justification for remaking Star Wars.

Besides, with GL stepping down to make his smaller films, leaving the company in the hands of others, we might see something else. Something NEW, rather than constant re releases. It doesn't have to be a sequel series, but perhaps something set in a different time period, or with a different set of characters.

Aren't the words "Starwars" and "Remake" considered unholy devil-speak when uttered next to each other according to most hardcore Starwars fans?

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MovieBob:
Let's Remake Star Wars

There's something I've been meaning to tell you about Star Wars since your video about the Phantom Menace re-release, and it's somewhat relevant to the choreography you brought up.

The Clone Wars IS better than Phantom Menace Bob
If for one reason

Ok... Disagreements about Star Wars aside, can we all agree never to touch Lord of the Rings? Please?

Why dont we remake the Prequels? I mean, pretty much everyone agrees that they weren't very good. Maybe some other director (I'm thinking Ridley Scott or Peter Jackson) could do something great with them. I mean, i have great respect for Lucas but we all can agree that he's probably too old for this kind of thing.

No. I've had to listen to the internet whine and bitch and piss and moan and complain for over a goddamn decade over this shit. A fucking decade. Half my life I've been listening to people bitch over star Wars. I'm not going to support a remake that going to lead to more bitching for the next decade or more over this shit. Star Wars fans are unpleaseable, unlikable. and frankly hateful when it comes to the idea of change or difference. Any remake, no matter how good or bad, is going to start the bitching machine. Hell, people are still complaining about Star Wars. How about instead we wait till all the hate has died before we consider a remake, i.e. we wait until all the Star Wars fans are dead and all that remains of their hate is the death threat to Lucas on their graves. Maybe in 40 or 50 years people will have evolved to not want to expend all their energy complaining about something stupid.

DVS BSTrD:

MovieBob:
Let's Remake Star Wars

There's something I've been meaning to tell you about Star Wars since your video about the Phantom Menace re-release, and it's somewhat relevant to the choreography you brought up.

The Clone Wars IS better than Phantom Menace Bob
If for one reason

Yes!

That right there was one of the most epic moments in the history of Star Wars. Even considering the prequels to be crap, the singular times in which that guy grabs a lightsaber have always been astonishing.

Regarding a remake ... I would vote a yes on it, definitely. I am curious about how Star Wars would be if it were made with a deeper narrative than it had at the time.

Easy, STAR WARS NEEDS A DARTH LORD TRILOGY!

Follow the life of a Darth Lord from worker slave to enslaver and converter of Jedi scumb.

The Darth Bane Trilogy did an excellent job in book form and should be made into a movie.

DVS BSTrD:

MovieBob:
Let's Remake Star Wars

There's something I've been meaning to tell you about Star Wars since your video about the Phantom Menace re-release, and it's somewhat relevant to the choreography you brought up.

The Clone Wars IS better than Phantom Menace Bob
If for one reason

For me that almost destroyed the character. Yoda should have been all about the Force. he is strong in the Force and been around for 900 years studying it and finding out the things he could do with it that whole fight should have been about him doing crazy stuff with the Force. It's my biggest problem with the Prequels was that Lucas did nothing new with the Force, everyone just did stuff that we had already seen.

What were they thinking, canceling the release of SW: Battlefront III when it was finished?!!!

Ernil Menegil:

DVS BSTrD:

MovieBob:
Let's Remake Star Wars

There's something I've been meaning to tell you about Star Wars since your video about the Phantom Menace re-release, and it's somewhat relevant to the choreography you brought up.

The Clone Wars IS better than Phantom Menace Bob
If for one reason

Yes!

That right there was one of the most epic moments in the history of Star Wars. Even considering the prequels to be crap, the singular times in which that guy grabs a lightsaber have always been astonishing.

Regarding a remake ... I would vote a yes on it, definitely. I am curious about how Star Wars would be if it were made with a deeper narrative than it had at the time.

I'd rather see some reboot sequels TBH. The extended universe needs to be fixed.
BADLY!

I suspect that by the time a Star Wars remake comes around, audiences will have lived through 4 or 5 decades of films heavily inspired by it, its storytelling tropes, and its film-making techniques, and the original will seem quaint at best and dull at worst. Look what happened to John Carter.

Necabo:
agree, but only do the obi-wan rematch fight. That was kinda stupid then and its even more stupid now, considering the epic fight they had several years earlier (or later as you will)

That I can get behind. Despite the crapiness of the rest of the trilogy, the final duel was shaping up to be awesome. Epic John Williams score, lava plumes behind them like the fires of hell, Ewan McGregor acting the hell out of "You were the chosen one!" But Lucas couldn't leave well enough alone: halfway through the fight, he had to throw in those stupid bleeping droids to suck all the gravitas out of the scene.

DVS BSTrD:
The Clone Wars IS better than Phantom Menace Bob
If for one reason

I beg to differ. That particular scene might be the worst in the whole prequel trilogy for me. Maybe second-worst, after the above.

I tend to agree with Bob on this score: Phantom Menace is a bad movie, but it still works as a movie. The other two are just a sloppy mess.

PsychedelicDiamond:
Why dont we remake the Prequels? I mean, pretty much everyone agrees that they weren't very good. Maybe some other director (I'm thinking Ridley Scott or Peter Jackson) could do something great with them. I mean, i have great respect for Lucas but we all can agree that he's probably too old for this kind of thing.

I dunno. Both those directors you mentioned are currently making/have made prequels to the genre-films that made them famous, and both are walking on very thin ice.

Ridley Scott has just done Prometheus, with talk coming up of a sequel, or indeed sequels. It was his return to the Alien universe, and it was flawed at best. Great art direction, terrible terrible script. Prometheus 2 has got a lot to make up if the series wants to avoid becoming the new Star Wars prequels.

As for Peter Jackson... I'm not convinced his handling of the Hobbit is going to be as successful as LOTR was. I'm not particularly enamoured of the LOTR films anyway, but he's taking far more licenses with the Hobbit than he ever did with LOTR. Splitting one book up into three films is not a reassuring sign, given how breezey the Hobbit originally was. By the sounds of it, he's going to make an entire film about Smaug and the lonely mountain, and an entire film about the Battle Of Five Armies (which, lest we forget, only had one chapter in the book, because Tolkien didn't have the same hard-on for war that Jackson does). He's making up new characters left, right and centre to help pad the story out. From the trailer, it looks like he's going to be fitting as many unfunny, out of place one-liners into the Hobbit as he did LOTR. In short, I'm not convinced.

Anyways, Lucas is still one hell of a visual director. The revolutionary visuals of the prequels are testament to that, if nothing else. He just needs to make sure he has people around him who aren't afraid to say 'No' every once in a while. Get him a production team with some balls, and he could still come up with something fantastic.

The problem with remaking them is that they can't possibly live up to the bar that it established, even if that bar is held up so high in some ways by nostalgia.

Not to say that it couldn't be great, but it's a tall order. One that I don't think anyone is capable of, unless you had someone like Peter Jackson and his love of LOTR.

Still I'd go see it.

Better idea: let's remake the prequel trilogy, and just consider the first go at it a rough draft.

Twilight_guy:
No. I've had to listen to the internet whine and bitch and piss and moan and complain for over a goddamn decade over this shit. A fucking decade. Half my life I've been listening to people bitch over star Wars. I'm not going to support a remake that going to lead to more bitching for the next decade or more over this shit. Star Wars fans are unpleaseable, unlikable. and frankly hateful when it comes to the idea of change or difference. Any remake, no matter how good or bad, is going to start the bitching machine. Hell, people are still complaining about Star Wars. How about instead we wait till all the hate has died before we consider a remake, i.e. we wait until all the Star Wars fans are dead and all that remains of their hate is the death threat to Lucas on their graves. Maybe in 40 or 50 years people will have evolved to not want to expend all their energy complaining about something stupid.

I understand your view. Really I do. But I am a star wars fan and have been since I was four years old. Other than not particularly enjoying the new films I never really bitched or moaned about Lucas or Star Wars. I forgive whatever wrongs Lucas has done because Jedi Academy makes up for everything plus some. If Lucas Arts makes some bad movies or games or exploits the merchandise I really couldn't give two shits because I focus on enjoying the good. I say yes to a remake and have done so for a long time. It could be fucking great. It could be epic. If we kept Hayden Christenson far away and got the right director it is almost impossible to not be epic. Seriously, STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE... BUT NEW!!! Remember the days when we didn't see things through shit colored glasses? Those days were quite nice. If I happen to learn of this project being realized I'll be hopeful. And if it isn't good, well, too bad, I'm not going to slit my wrists, write bad poetry, spam Lucas Arts with death threats and hate mail, or any sort of nonsense. I love Star Wars, I would love a great remake, and Han shot first motherfucker.

I would not mind it as long as they do not fck up the acting/script like in Eps1-3 ><

on your point of what to make the "Empire" realistically to make it relate-able you have to throwaway this notion of the one all powerful empire bent on taking over everything. the most that has happened recently at least in the US is terrorism, and that is not so much a territorial situation, but more in line with a war of idealogs who feel they oppose each other because of a very big R-word, and not so much ethnicity as major media would have people believe because even they are afraid to bring up the R-word. So realistically the Evil Empire couldn't at this time be some all powerful force, but something that deals with insergency, and possibly indoctrination, but this in film context can quickly become a repeat of The Siege http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/ in space. which for good, or bad still would not have the same international impact, or even context as Star Wars did of the time.

captcha: deep thought (thank you for the complement I thought it was).

tohellwithyourcrap:

Twilight_guy:
No. I've had to listen to the internet whine and bitch and piss and moan and complain for over a goddamn decade over this shit. A fucking decade. Half my life I've been listening to people bitch over star Wars. I'm not going to support a remake that going to lead to more bitching for the next decade or more over this shit. Star Wars fans are unpleaseable, unlikable. and frankly hateful when it comes to the idea of change or difference. Any remake, no matter how good or bad, is going to start the bitching machine. Hell, people are still complaining about Star Wars. How about instead we wait till all the hate has died before we consider a remake, i.e. we wait until all the Star Wars fans are dead and all that remains of their hate is the death threat to Lucas on their graves. Maybe in 40 or 50 years people will have evolved to not want to expend all their energy complaining about something stupid.

I understand your view. Really I do. But I am a star wars fan and have been since I was four years old. Other than not particularly enjoying the new films I never really bitched or moaned about Lucas or Star Wars. I forgive whatever wrongs Lucas has done because Jedi Academy makes up for everything plus some. If Lucas Arts makes some bad movies or games or exploits the merchandise I really couldn't give two shits because I focus on enjoying the good. I say yes to a remake and have done so for a long time. It could be fucking great. It could be epic. If we kept Hayden Christenson far away and got the right director it is almost impossible to not be epic. Seriously, STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE... BUT NEW!!! Remember the days when we didn't see things through shit colored glasses? Those days were quite nice. If I happen to learn of this project being realized I'll be hopeful. And if it isn't good, well, too bad, I'm not going to slit my wrists, write bad poetry, spam Lucas Arts with death threats and hate mail, or any sort of nonsense. I love Star Wars, I would love a great remake, and Han shot first motherfucker.

Good, now all you need to do is get everyone else to think in a similar way and maybe we can all move on. Heck maybe we can achieve global peace if get people to stop caring grudges.

Gizmo1990:
For me that almost destroyed the character. Yoda should have been all about the Force. he is strong in the Force and been around for 900 years studying it and finding out the things he could do with it that whole fight should have been about him doing crazy stuff with the Force. It's my biggest problem with the Prequels was that Lucas did nothing new with the Force, everyone just did stuff that we had already seen.

Well that's the thing, it ISN'T anything new because all this takes place 20 years before the original trilogy. It can't really be new because it just turns into "Well if he could do THAT the whole time..."

Falseprophet:
I beg to differ. That particular scene might be the worst in the whole prequel trilogy for me. Maybe second-worst, after the above.

We go from "wars not make one great" in Empire, to "Yoda's a badass" in Clones, completely undercutting the whole point. Then we follow it up with "around the prisoners, a perimeter create". As my friend (the biggest Yoda fan I knew) put it, Yoda's wisdom became stating the bloody obvious.

I don't see how the two are mutually exclusive. Sure after 900 years he's realized that fighting isn't always the answer, but you don't GET to 900 years old as a Jedi without being able to.

And that's not Yoda being wise, that's Yoda giving orders.

Not a bad idea Bob. Especially considering that the pitch should appeal to George Lucas himself as you said.

I would like to throw my own idea out there that could flip SW on it's head in an interesting way. Have SW switch settings with LOTR and while we are at it have LOTR switch with SW setting for its own inevitable remakes. The force already worked like magic anyway so it would fit into the role of ancient wizards easily. Imagine how cool it would be to have Luke, Han, and Chubbaca sneak into a Howls Moving Castle style Death Star(named such because an evil star gives it its power). The different setting could really throw off expectations and let the audience be genuinely surprised. Of course there is always the steam punk option....if your into that sort of thing.

The LOTR in space would have the Eye of Sauron be the name of a doomsday war ship with a Hal 9000 computer at the helm. The one ring in this case would be a control circuit for the ship that you have to plug in manually.

This sounds silly I know but I think it would be fun.

I think it could be good, and could be interesting. I just don't believe it would.

I'd rather big-budget work was put into the EU, with an eye towards making it more cohesive and more approachable, than re-threading ground already walked. But then, I am an over-ambitious idiot.

Here's the problems with these reasons:

1) We know what happened - so what's the point?

2) Moving the series MORE toward the prequel style of doing things? No. NO, NO, NO!

And for the record, Red Tails was bad.

3) Can you really envision Star Wars going Hurt Locker or Black Hawk Down or even Saving Private Ryan? It wouldn't fit. Star Wars is ultimately escapist fantasy and I don't think that can change, or should change.

4)Right, let's spend hundreds of millions of dollars to get George Lucas to leave his series alone.

Hmm... that might actually be worth it.

No, and here's why. Lucas's reason for a lot of his edits seems to be that he wasn't able to make the real Star Wars that he had wanted to because of the limitations of technology. His edits are therefore bringing the original films closer to what he originally envisioned. The problem is no one likes his edits, so arguably no one really wants to see Lucas's "originally envisioned" Star Wars that a remake with modern special effects would allow.

While you do make good points (for one thing, there shouldn't be many plot holes as a remake should more smoother and connected with each other) however I refuse to give Lucas any more money.
Also I don't really give a danm that much about CGI as he had used far too many in the Episode 1-3 (The remake should be less well less greenscreens, they can have the ships battle in CGI.)

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Gizmo1990:
For me that almost destroyed the character. Yoda should have been all about the Force. he is strong in the Force and been around for 900 years studying it and finding out the things he could do with it that whole fight should have been about him doing crazy stuff with the Force. It's my biggest problem with the Prequels was that Lucas did nothing new with the Force, everyone just did stuff that we had already seen.

Well that's the thing, it ISN'T anything new because all this takes place 20 years before the original trilogy. It can't really be new because it just turns into "Well if he could do THAT the whole time..."

Easy. Have him bust out a ton of new bad ass movies that we have not seen then in Revenge have Palpatine do the same and still beat Yoda. Then Empire still make sense as he was unable to teach Luke the really complicated stuff due to a lack of time.

You liked it and that's cool. It's just that to me Yoda was always beyond lightsabers. The wise old man that nobody thinks is powerful who then busts out a ton of magic tricks that no one else can pull off.

Really? NO ONE has posted the epic Darth Vader "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene from Revenge of the Sith yet? Come on people. You call yourselves Star Wars fans? I'd do it, but I have no idea how to insert a video.

Anyway, if it got remade, I'd go see it. I'd want it to be an animated movie though, because my brain just wouldn't be able to handle seeing anyone else play Luke, Leia, or Han. I've been reading the books since I was a kid, and their faces have been on the covers. I've watched them age over many books so they're engrained into my memory. Anyone else and I'd just spend the whole movie thinking, "That's not Han Solo!"

They could certainly add a few improvements. The lightsaber duel between Vader and Obi in A New Hope was pretty bad. When I was little, I thought the only reason Obi lost was because his lightsaber died.

The arm getting cut off at the bar has blood all over it and floor. That's an oops now that we know how lightsabers work.

I'd love to see the Y-wings actually fight in the Death Star battle instead of just getting blown out of the sky. They could also 'officially' reveal that unknown Y-wing pilot, K. Farlander (I think that's his name, right?)

Empire Strikes back could introduce Mara Jade, although I'm not sure how well that would go over. Her plotline doesn't get resolved until after the movies. Then again, if they're remaking it, perhaps they could find a way to make her Luke's foil until the end of the trilogy where she realizes she's on the wrong side.

Can we see a B-wing pilot please? PLEASE?! I know we saw one in the deleted scenes, but I want to see one fighting, like Green and Grey Leaders.

Twilight_guy:

tohellwithyourcrap:

Twilight_guy:
No. I've had to listen to the internet whine and bitch and piss and moan and complain for over a goddamn decade over this shit. A fucking decade. Half my life I've been listening to people bitch over star Wars. I'm not going to support a remake that going to lead to more bitching for the next decade or more over this shit. Star Wars fans are unpleaseable, unlikable. and frankly hateful when it comes to the idea of change or difference. Any remake, no matter how good or bad, is going to start the bitching machine. Hell, people are still complaining about Star Wars. How about instead we wait till all the hate has died before we consider a remake, i.e. we wait until all the Star Wars fans are dead and all that remains of their hate is the death threat to Lucas on their graves. Maybe in 40 or 50 years people will have evolved to not want to expend all their energy complaining about something stupid.

I understand your view. Really I do. But I am a star wars fan and have been since I was four years old. Other than not particularly enjoying the new films I never really bitched or moaned about Lucas or Star Wars. I forgive whatever wrongs Lucas has done because Jedi Academy makes up for everything plus some. If Lucas Arts makes some bad movies or games or exploits the merchandise I really couldn't give two shits because I focus on enjoying the good. I say yes to a remake and have done so for a long time. It could be fucking great. It could be epic. If we kept Hayden Christenson far away and got the right director it is almost impossible to not be epic. Seriously, STAR WARS: A NEW HOPE... BUT NEW!!! Remember the days when we didn't see things through shit colored glasses? Those days were quite nice. If I happen to learn of this project being realized I'll be hopeful. And if it isn't good, well, too bad, I'm not going to slit my wrists, write bad poetry, spam Lucas Arts with death threats and hate mail, or any sort of nonsense. I love Star Wars, I would love a great remake, and Han shot first motherfucker.

Good, now all you need to do is get everyone else to think in a similar way and maybe we can all move on. Heck maybe we can achieve global peace if get people to stop caring grudges.

Point taken but sarcasm stings nonetheless. Making a film is hard, making a great film is harder, and remaking a great film into another great film is extraordinarily hard but is well within the realm of reasonable expectation. Even though global peace is a far nobler venture than a remake of Star Wars so far as I know it is only possible in vague theory. If Watchmen "The Un-filmable Comic" and LOTR "The Un-filmable Literature" can be executed to near perfection who's to say an excellent remake of Star Wars won't make the whining man-children who claim they are fans shut their mouths FOREVER? If a community is going to support such a remake it's going to be the loyal fan base that appreciates quality content where they can find it. High hopes, not blind faith mind you.

Gizmo1990:

DVS BSTrD:

Gizmo1990:
For me that almost destroyed the character. Yoda should have been all about the Force. he is strong in the Force and been around for 900 years studying it and finding out the things he could do with it that whole fight should have been about him doing crazy stuff with the Force. It's my biggest problem with the Prequels was that Lucas did nothing new with the Force, everyone just did stuff that we had already seen.

Well that's the thing, it ISN'T anything new because all this takes place 20 years before the original trilogy. It can't really be new because it just turns into "Well if he could do THAT the whole time..."

Easy. Have him bust out a ton of new bad ass movies that we have not seen then in Revenge have Palpatine do the same and still beat Yoda. Then Empire still make sense as he was unable to teach Luke the really complicated stuff due to a lack of time.

You liked it and that's cool. It's just that to me Yoda was always beyond lightsabers. The wise old man that nobody thinks is powerful who then busts out a ton of magic tricks that no one else can pull off.

Maybe it was more a matter of tradition (or the fact that Dooku had to survive until the third movie). I will say that I don't believe for a second that Yoda couldn't just hold the pillar in one hand while crunching Dooku's ship into a marble with the other.

Or maybe the force just can't be used in other ways without turning to the Dark Side.

I think star wars needs to get AWAY from the 20-40 years surrounding the movies. There is like 25000 years of galactic history they COULD explore, yet they don't. Some of it is explored in video games and a few books, which I appreciate, but I mean... there's just so much potential!

Another big thing could be going in the FUTURE. Oh, and I also think you could leave out the sith and the jedi. The star wars universe is so much more complex than that, you don't NEED them to be at the heart of every conflict. Heck, another jedi civil war would be interesting - two opposing forces, both ultimately desiring the good of the universe, but having some fundamental difference that fractures the galaxy, causing both of them to stradle the line of dark side.

But then, my idea sounds too good for a movie to use..... >.>

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