Escape to the Movies: Skyfall

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Skyfall

Bond, James Bond.

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Pretty sure I just read an interview with the director where he criticized the earlier movies for devolving into exactly what Bob says he misses: a bunch of set pieces and sweet location shots that don't serve characterization at all. I understand the idea of having one good series that's helmed by a cipher so you can imagine yourself in the action more intensely, but that never really worked for me. As Bob said, it became a series of rehashes of the same template. The question is, can you make a 20-film series where the fact that it's the same main character in all of them is actually important? Honestly, I don't see how you can.

They should take Spoony's idea and just outright state that "James Bond" is a codename held by several agents over many decades. Make it a mantle, an honor, and examine what happens when you lump that pressure on top of everything else the secret agent has to do.

Of course, then people will know you're an agent the minute you call yourself James Bond, but...

good times; the problem with Bond as a character is that he was written by essentially a pulp writer. Fleming was influential, but let's not pretend everything he did was GOOD. Bond exists in that same wish-fulfillment fantasy of characters like John Carter and Sherlock Holmes.

And seriously Bob, cut it out with the goddamned lowblows at Nolan and Batman, it's gotten old.

Bob there was am agreement: We don't take Craig seriously as bond, and we might get another bond.

otherwise...

wait this is that good. movie break.

Aiddon:
good times; the problem with Bond as a character is that he was written by essentially a pulp writer. Fleming was influential, but let's not pretend everything he did was GOOD. Bond exists in that same wish-fulfillment fantasy of characters like John Carter and Sherlock Holmes.

you do realize that James bond the character is actually the conglomeration of 2 real secret agents. right?

Aiddon:
good times; the problem with Bond as a character is that he was written by essentially a pulp writer. Fleming was influential, but let's not pretend everything he did was GOOD. Bond exists in that same wish-fulfillment fantasy of characters like John Carter and Sherlock Holmes.

And seriously Bob, cut it out with the goddamned lowblows at Nolan and Batman, it's gotten old.

Did you see the Bane/Bat fight? It was fairly lame(cough).

Arnold is...wait, what? Bob are you sure you didn't get your info wrong on that one? Maybe he's just going to be in a Discworld movie as Cohen the Barbarian? Also yes: Jurassic Park 3D!? They can have my money right now. As for Skyfall: I'm not into Bond at all and am probably passing this one up.

That's part of what I thought Craig's Bond was missing, was that he was just kind of flat. He never smiled, he never seemed to have that swagger, especially in QoS, he was just kind of a cardboard cutout. Judging by the review, he's got it back for now.

Great review, no enthusiasm on Bob's part. Seriously Bob, in the past few reviews I can't tell where the criticism starts and the praise ends. You could not be more deadpan if you were actually dead.

I have not seen Casino or Quantum. Will this still make sense to me if I check it out?

OT This looks awesome. Assuming I don't need to catch the previous ones, this will be watched this week.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, 65 year-old former Governor of California, will return to the role of Conan The Barbarian in 2014. This is a thing that is actually supposed to happen. Really.

Will happen, perhaps. Likely to happen. Slated to happen.

Supposed to happen?... Might be a bit of a stretch.

Make new films but keep the old,
one is Silva...

*puts on sunglasses*

...and the others are gold

mrblakemiller:
They should take Spoony's idea and just outright state that "James Bond" is a codename held by several agents over many decades. Make it a mantle, an honor, and examine what happens when you lump that pressure on top of everything else the secret agent has to do.

I always thought that this was a brilliant way to explain the many different faces of Bond. In my opinion, they should also extend it to M, Q and the others as well.

Are all the Bonds in continuity with one another?
Or are they rebooted with each new actor?

Glad to hear the movie was good. You really sounded happy about that, Bob.

As for the Schwatzenegger thing. Well, worst case scenario we at least get to here you say Schwatzenegger a lot more. ;)

I was going to skip it without a second thought, but this glowing review has planted seeds of doubt.

lazarus1209:

mrblakemiller:
They should take Spoony's idea and just outright state that "James Bond" is a codename held by several agents over many decades. Make it a mantle, an honor, and examine what happens when you lump that pressure on top of everything else the secret agent has to do.

I always thought that this was a brilliant way to explain the many different faces of Bond. In my opinion, they should also extend it to M, Q and the others as well.

Well, M and Q really are supposed to be codenames that may be held by a succession of different people. I always assumed Q just stood for "quartermaster".

Fun fact, the Chief of the Secret Intelligence Service (aka MI6) is always codenamed C.

daxterx2005:
Are all the Bonds in continuity with one another?
Or are they rebooted with each new actor?

It's never brought up. The fan theory is that "James Bond" is just a code name which each new agent takes on, along with the 007 title (hence the different actors with the same name). That theory isn't correct though. There is only meant to be one real James Bond, and all the actors are meant to be the same guy.

Most of the movies lack any sense of interconnectivity* anyway, so it isn't really meant to be noticed. They're built to be interchangeable.

*with the exception of Jaws, a leg injury and the most recent trilogy.

C'mon Bob

It's a not a great movie, the first 60 min are maybe the worst in Bond history and the (car) chase at the start of the movie is terrible but when Javier Bardem comes into play the movie gets really good, really fast.

This seems like a good time to post this.


The most impressive thing about this was that it was completed like 3 or 4 hours after the trailer was initially shown.

daxterx2005:
Are all the Bonds in continuity with one another?
Or are they rebooted with each new actor?

Yes they are all in continuity with I suppose Daniel Craig being the exception as it is an origin story set after the time period of the other films but as books they all are.

That motorcycle vs. bridge stunt (the way he gets on the train in the beginning sequence) was probably one of the most awesome stunts ever thought out. The dream of everyone who has ever crushed his/her bicycle into the curb.

I loved it but is it just me or is Daniel Craig starting to look a little old for the part? I think he could still do another one but if they wait too long then they will have the same problem that Roger Moore had. He looked like he needed a wheel chair and a tank of oxygen in A View to a Kill.

This review couldn't mirror my feelings any more.

I'm also glad that I get classified as a real James Bond fan as I didn't like the last two movies for the reason that they clearly weren't Bond movies.

Sometimes it's good to stick to the old formula because the old formula is god damn AWESOME.

I find it interesting how James Bond fans are clammering to have these movies return to the original James Bond when this James Bond is the best adaptation of the character I've ever seen.

Also, Quantum of Solace is a great, great movie.

Gizmo1990:
I loved it but is it just me or is Daniel Craig starting to look a little old for the part? I think he could still do another one but if they wait too long then they will have the same problem that Roger Moore had. He looked like he needed a wheel chair and a tank of oxygen in A View to a Kill.

I think that one was where Moore was embarrassed that he was old enough to be his female co-stars grandfather. Moore's run wasn't exactly dignified

I think it is safer to view Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace as something that we never really got in the 007 Franchise: an origin story.

His first kill(s) as an agent. His first 00 assignment. His first Bond girl. His first mistake with a Bond girl (i.e. becoming more emotionally involved). His first overcompensating rebound (the dead MI-6 girl and his utter disregard for her tragic and violent death in QoS). His first cabal of nefarious evil-doers (I do hope we see Quantum, which was portrayed as the new SPECTURE, come back in a future installment).

And Skyfall, which I haven't seen yet but will do so within the next 24 hours, likely puts the last few pieces into place. The new Q, Bond's swagger and confidence, a gentlemen's facade over what can only be described as a sociopathic killing machine... oh, and a lair (I hope). You've got to have some kind of lair.

Quantum of... what?
I saw that in the theater, and quite literally, the only thing I can even vaguely remember seems to involve an emergency fire ax. And I may have made that up to make the movie seem more interesting than it actually was.

OT: Ah, good: a Bond film worth seeing. It's never been my favourite series, but it's still fairly reliable entertainment in its own right. Casino Royale had that, QoS lost it, it's nice to hear Skyfall got it back.

DVS BSTrD:
Make new films but keep the old,
one is Silva...

*puts on sunglasses*

...and the others are gold

*Shoots you with the Golden Gun. Cue opening*

CynicalB:
C'mon Bob

It's a not a great movie, the first 60 min are maybe the worst in Bond history and the (car) chase at the start of the movie is terrible but when Javier Bardem comes into play the movie gets really good, really fast.

My thoughts to the letter. I also want to thank Bob for putting his finger on why Casino Royale really didn't work for me (Never saw Quantum). I get why people like the new Bond, with the deeper character and more realistic action, but if I wanted that I'd go see a Bourne film or one of the dozens of other action films good and bad that have come out since. When I go to a James Bond film, I go expecting a James Bond film, not a Bourne rip-off.

Skyfall is easily my favorite Bond movie. But I also like Daniel Craig as Bond more than any of the previous actors so I might not be the authority on the subject. But it's my opinion.

jFr[e]ak93:
I have not seen Casino or Quantum. Will this still make sense to me if I check it out?

OT This looks awesome. Assuming I don't need to catch the previous ones, this will be watched this week.

You assumed correctly. Go watch it.

Two weeks before I can see this at the theatre... Damn you international release dates!!!

Weird, I enjoyed more than the others because it seemed less like a traditional Bond movie. It had all of the surface stuff but it was the first to have deeper themes (the one you mentioned and the relationship between Bond and M) and characters who I felt emotionally invested in.

Daniel Craig, Javier Bardem, Ralph Fiennes, Ben Whishaw and Judi Dench.

This could be the newest Adam Sandler movie instead of the latest Bond film, I would still be excited. All spy/action stuff is just icing on the cake at this point.

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