The Big Picture: That's No Moon

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So you think they'll stop at three movies?
Or you think they'll milk it further?

Like comic book superheroes, IPs never truly die. They just go into periods of hibernation until someone decides they want to bring them back. Even The Wizard of Oz is getting a bloody prequel.

So yes, just keep waiting and someday I swear on my mother's (still empty) grave you'll see a trailer for Star Wars Ep 10.

Since nobody else pointed it out, I'm fairly certain Lucasarts still has the Howard the Duck licence, now DISNEY has Howard, disney as we know also has marvel. It PROBABLY won't happen but there's nothing stopping a Howard the duck movie set in the marvel universe right about now. I know some people will probably hate the notion but its more exciting to me than a Hank Pym movie.

I would love to see a new Star Wars movie, but I'd like to see the EU stay intact. It took a lot of work to get all those characters set up and evolved. The authors had to do some serious rearranging when the prequels came out, but the pulled it off. I just think it'd be such a same to have all that go to waste. No Jania, no Tenel Ka, no Zekk, no Wraith Squadron, no Mara Jade...

So, the only ways I can see that happening is if they decided to follow one of the books, maybe not exactly but close, or set the movie after all the EU stuff. Make the movie about their kids, Jania and Ben. Luke, Leia, and Han can have minor rolls, but don't have to be the main characters. of course, since the kids also play a big role in the books, it'd have to be set after all the stuff in the books involving them is done too. But that can be done. After all, isn't that what happened with A New Hope once all the prequels were released? There's a huge time jump and stuff happened between that time jump. The stuff is never shown, but it's talked about enough that we have a basic idea of how things came to be. The main characters in the prequels are no longer the main characters in the originals. New cast and, amazingly, two of the heroes turn out to be children of the 'hero' of the prequels. I just don't want to start treating Star Wars like I do with comics: Okay, this happened in universe A, but not in universe B, and something completely different happened in universe 1 and so on.

Still, I am excited that they'll be making more movies, and I will see them no matter what. I just hope that they try to merge everything together. And if they don't, I hope the EU will continue on anyway without trying to fit into the new films, because all the characters I love are there.

And the CIA joke. Amazing.

Anything is going to be better than the last three episodes! Like Bob, I didn't think I'd care if I ever saw Star Wars again. I'll give these new ones a chance.

The security around the acquisition should be no surprise to anyone familiar with the kind of PR security Lucasarts has been running for the better part of the last 15 years.

In brief, it's a standard that casino security and maximum security prisons would be envious of.
And it's backed by some of the most tenacious lawyers on the planet.

There's a reason nobody, least of all journalist snoops, have fucked with Lucasfilms' behind the scenes.

As for the acquisition itself, I'm maintaining my "Guilty until proven innocent" stance on Star Wars.
The prequel trilogy was a colossal success in spite of its exploitation agenda, and it'd be the height of stupidity to waltz right back into hopeful naivety.

However, I'm with Bob on this one point all the way: No Expanded Universe.
As much as I enjoyed the X-Wing series, Shadows of the Empire and Crimson Empire, it just isn't going to happen. There's no reason for it to happen.

Enjoy the books for what they are; some of them are the last place (chronologically) you could find the tone of the original trilogy (and if you're hoping for a return to the gritty tone of the originals, well, I anticipate your whining come a week after Episode 7 premiers).

For those arguing over the EU universe, I do agree that the movies are not going to follow the EU, however how much they deviate does depend on when they set the movie. If they set it shortly after return of the jedi we're in trouble, however from what I understand only harrison ford is interested and I dont think they want to risk the controversy of casting new actors in the role of luke and leia. This may mean they set the movie next generation style some years afterwards. If they do this then we might be able to salvage bits of th EU, the Hand of Thawn for example is self-contained enough that we could salvage it.

Thats what the star wars EU is going to be like during episode 7, a major restrucuting in which some bits like Yuuzhan Vong War (as a possablity) will be removed to make way for the movie and anything else they want to do while things that still fit with the continuity will be retained.

Given what Lucas did to the prequels, I'm not going to shed a tear over his big "Independent" studio.

Given what Lucas did to the prequels, I'm not going to shed a tear over his big "Independent" studio.

Yeah, I don't think Lucas understands the flaws of the studio system and the benefits of the independent way of making films. He essentially created his own studio system with Lucasfilm, it's a matter of size, an independent film maker has a small and flexible organization, doesn't risk as much money, doesn't have to make a bajillion dollars in profit etc. All those things went out the window as Lucasfilm grew in size.

I'm more concerned towards how they'll handle Indiana Jones as a franchise...I don't want to see a movie with Shia Lebouf as kid Indy based on the TV show.

I like the fact that all the clips used in this video come from the original films, not the special editions. Nice one Bob, and bring on those remastered originals!!!

How was the Avengers movie a gamble? How were any of the Marvel movie gambles? Safest bets I've ever seen :|

Marvel's transfer of ownership was not handled well, they cut virtually all of the MAX titles. Executive meddling's higher now than it's ever been and so many of the comics are being reshuffled and redone simply to try and cash in on the movies.

I have nothing to say except: I love you bob and I see eye to eye with you.

Dear Mr. Robert "MovieBob" Chipman,
I agree with everything you said this episode. That almost never happens. Good job.

quite enjoyed this video. though I was hoping to see a movie version of the "Thrawn Trilogy" - I always thought those books rose above the level of "assembly-line fan fiction" and treated the material with respect while expanding on it.

Scarim Coral:
The whole secret things can't stay as secret for long, really? If that's the case wouldn't we have leak info on Half Life Episode 3 by now (I'm pretty sure Valve employees are tight lip about that game).

Anyway, the only time I would start to doubt or be against the whole thing is once we actually seen development of the upcoming film.

There's a MASSIVE difference between Valve keeping Half-Life 3 under wraps and The whole Disney LucasArts fiasco. Let's face it, Valve is a relatively small company with some of the most dedicated employees I can think of. Disney is a huge company, and I mean huge.

Leia is a Disney princess now.
That's not a good thing.

Flatron W2241S:
Re: the Expanded Universe being garbage, didn't the Thrawn trilogy sell pretty well and wasn't it well regarded? "The Secret History of Star Wars" credits it with rekindling interest in the Star Wars franchise in the 90s (don't know how reliable that book is though). On the other hand this led to the prequels, so.. Anyway, adapting the Thrawn trilogy seems like a possibility since the story has been proven to work once and it's neatly divided into three parts. But I hope they will go with a completely new story and blow us away.

The thing is even Lucas has said the books are NOT part of the movie canon--at least twice

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There's my world, which is the movies, and there's this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe - the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don't intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don't get too involved in the parallel universe." (''Cinescape'' July 2001)

Lucas reiterated this in ''Starlog'' #337 (August 2005): "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one."

So I have no idea where the idea the the movies and the EU are somehow related is coming from other then fans trying to make some sense out the prequel films as is sure is NOT coming from Lucas.

In fact, according to Wikipedia ( there seems to be no less then FIVE _different_ Star Wars universes:
G (George Lucas)-canon (movies only)
T (Television)-canon (Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the yet unaired Star Wars live-action TV series)
C (continuity)-canon (main EU material)
S (secondary)-canon (older EU that doesn't quite fit into G or C canons)
N (non-canon)-canon (everything else)

Lucas holds to G-canon and perhaps some of the T canon stuff (Lucas has stated regarding the Holiday Special "If I had the time and a sledgehammer, I would track down every copy of that show and smash it." so he puts that in N if he has to deal with it at all.)


The thing is even Lucas has said the books are NOT part of the movie canon--at least twice

Well, my post was a response to Movie Bob saying that all the Expanded Universe material was bad, and therefore the new Star Wars movies wouldn't/shouldn't be adapted from EU material. The Thrawn trilogy (haven't read it myself yet) sold well, piqued the interest of the public in Star Wars, so it seems that it at least possible that the series could be adapted into film. (A Big Picture episode on the Thrawn trilogy would be interesting to see, usually I find Bob's videos to be good even if I disagree with his opinions.) I know the basics of the Star Wars canon system, but I don't see how this is relevant, if Disney decides to adapt the books they shoot up to film-level canon anyway. Whoever writes the new scripts are not bound to slavishly follow the source material, so it can be jiggled to fit with the rest of the films if they want (I guess a Star Trek style reboot is also a possibility).

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