Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

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Vault101:

Moonlight Butterfly:
I think we should all just hold hands and be happy about video games.

awww...he got banned :(

I was having fun releasing some rightous anger....

Well what gets me is that there are people who think 'fake nerd girls' are 'all girls.'

It stretches my imagination that these girls exist that pretend to like video games for attention, I mean playing 400 hours of Skyrim or whatever when you don't actually like it has to be excruciatingly boring right. But then there are guys who think anyone with girl parts is doing it for their attention, that's just bizarre and hideously self centred.

But yeah this all really gets to me. Gaming is probably the most important thing to me and it makes me feel a bit sick people think this way about my gender. :(

Moonlight Butterfly:

Vault101:

Moonlight Butterfly:
I think we should all just hold hands and be happy about video games.

awww...he got banned :(

I was having fun releasing some rightous anger....

Well what gets me is that there are people who think 'fake nerd girls' are 'all girls.'

It stretches my imagination that these girls exist that pretend to like video games for attention, I mean playing 400 hours of Skyrim or whatever when you don't actually like it has to be excruciatingly boring right. But then there are guys who think anyone with girl parts is doing it for their attention, that's just bizarre and hideously self centred.

But yeah this all really gets to me. Gaming is probably the most important thing to me and it makes me feel a bit sick people think this way about my gender. :(

You don't have to dislike gaming to be trying to integrate yourself with gaming culture for male attention, games normally pretty entertaining even if you're bungling through them. Though if it makes you feel any better, I don't think there's a legitimate debate about whether every single girl is playing videogames for attention, it's more about whether it's harmful when there are girls using gaming in that way, or how often it happens if at all.

Moonlight Butterfly:

Well what gets me is that there are people who think 'fake nerd girls' are 'all girls.'

such people (much like trolls) are idiots, and really shouldn't be encouraged

the complete lack of logic on tweedle-dum's part back there was of coarse rather annoying, but you know someone pretty wrong if they consistently ignore you and can;t answer questions...(I mean dark souls? what the fuck?)

It stretches my imagination that these girls exist that pretend to like video games for attention, I mean playing 400 hours of Skyrim or whatever when you don't actually like it has to be excruciatingly boring right. But then there are guys who think anyone with girl parts is doing it for their attention, that's just bizarre and hideously self centred.

I don't think fake nerd girls play 400 hours of skyrim...they just bluff their way through (aprently from what I can gather) I won;t deny their existance...since this all really comes down to peoples personal experience

But yeah this all really gets to me. Gaming is probably the most important thing to me and it makes me feel a bit sick people think this way about my gender. :(

aside from the tweedle dees and tweedle dums of the internet I think one thing people don;t consider it can be reasonable to discern between "reals" and "fakes"

but when that line is blured..THATS the problem...thats where the sexism comes in...just look at the felicia day fiasco

Vault101:
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It's very frustrating, it's almost like we are socially screwed if we openly enjoy it and of course if we keep it a secret we get 'women don't like video games shut up'.

:(

Moonlight Butterfly:

It's very frustrating, it's almost like we are socially screwed if we openly enjoy it and of course if we keep it a secret we get 'women don't like video games shut up'.

:(

well I once went on an angry rant about how everyhting abotu being female sucked
there is a silver lining though...for what its worth being female can give you more of a free pass for being a "basment dwelling neck beard"

wild0061:

Mechalynx:
I find Fake Nerd Girls annoying, just like I find Fake Anything Anyone annoying. Maybe a bit more even, since I'm a female gamer. And the reason for this is, because people like that are attention whores, that rarely give a shit about what actually interests you. I have met a few and all the encounters went something like this:

"Oh, you like video games!! Me too!!"

"That's nice. Fave genres? RPG, JRPG, RTS...."

*Blank stare*

"Oh all of them.. They're just so much fun!"

Then I tentitavely throw up a few well known recent or classic titles, to get a discussion started, since by then I assume that the person actually wants to talk video games. At best I get a recognition for titles only, sometimes even "Oh I saw my bf/brother/previous victim play it." Minutes after they change topics entirely and/or start talking about themselves. And at this point I lose all interest in this "nerd".

I just find stuff like this insulting, because it gives off an impression that gaming isn't a worthy hobby (or lifestyle for some lucky individuals) and those who enjoy it are just lesser minded people, ready to worship those who feign even the slightest interest. It's not ego stroking, it's the fact that the person blatantly lies to you for no other reasons that self assertion or whatever, and not because they genuinely care what you think.

Pretty much this, 'fake nerds' (either gender) are annoying, like any other fakers, the fakes obviously aren't gonna stop (or care less what anyone says/thinks), easiest thing to do is ignore them and don't give them any attention, as for the marketing of female/male nerd 'culture' or whatever, to get money, if you know its a con lol then don't fall for it by buying their stuff :P simple

Completely agree, can't believe Jim overlooked this.

Vault101:

Moonlight Butterfly:

It's very frustrating, it's almost like we are socially screwed if we openly enjoy it and of course if we keep it a secret we get 'women don't like video games shut up'.

:(

well I once went on an angry rant about how everyhting abotu being female sucked
there is a silver lining though...for what its worth being female can give you more of a free pass for being a "basment dwelling neck beard"

That is very true lol. Although I'm not exactly a social butterfly as it is :p

bloodmage2:
I'm allowed be angry at this for the same reason I can get mad at people who claim to be into electronica because they listened to a skryllex song. It's not that I don't want these girls to become gamers, but at this juncture, they are not. If one said "I'd like to get into gaming", not "lol I'm such a hardcore gamer lol", despite only having played casual games, that'd be a different story.

Nicolaus99:
Nobody likes a poser.

Imagine, somebody goes to your favorite major sporting event's favorite team's championship game, dresses up in whatever crazy fan outfit/bodypaint and makes a noisy spectacle of themselves. You happen to sit next to this person, strike up a conversation and realize X person knows nothing at all about the sport or the team and does not even have any sincere emotional attachment to either. They're just an attention whore hoping people will take pictures of them and praise their 'hardcore fandom'. Is the contemptuous disgust you probably feel any different if X person has tits?

It's like a fake, "viral" advertising campaign trying to pass itself off as natural meme/song/whatever and no one's even getting paid to do it. A sellout, for free and no one even offered to buy.

Don't add tits and cry sexism.

Yes! Totally!

Is it me or are all the reasonable replies and arguments being ignored in favour of loud mouth or sexist people? Its sort of the mentality that led to this week's episode.

Hold a few of the worst up, and use them to smother valid complaints.

GunsmithKitten:

Smeatza:

Surely everyone realises that fake nerd guys get the piss taken out of them by "real" nerds as well.
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Noone here with any kind of dealings in either the tabletop or video game sub culture will deny that. I sure as heck don't.

The point is that, lately, I've been having my card checked soley on the basis of being female, NOT whether or not I prefer 4.0 over 3.5, not over which MST3k host I prefer, not which religious parallel's were made in the first Silent Hill, ect...

Well I don't mean to sound harsh but I'm not particularly interested in you or any other sole individuals, but the general trends.
As far as I can tell this is more an issue with the fact that video gaming has exploded in popularity over the past few years and "fake" (it might be more accurate to use the word casual) gamers have been popping up like daisies for both genders.
The "real" nerds (again a better phrase to use might be long-standing) do not like that their hobby is being adopted by ones who once ostracised it (mainstream society), and so a certain amount of scorn is placed on those "fake" gamers.

The fact you are female is almost negligible, you would receive the same reaction if you were to say you liked Angry Birds, Call of Duty, or any of the other innumerable things these "real" nerds consider a reason to accuse you of being fake.

So your card isn't being checked "solely on the basis you being female." It's being checked due to a general atmosphere of fear and apprehension of change within the community. And the excuse they're using to check your card in particular is your gender.

And this brings me back to my original post, females aren't being exclusively targeted for this, I would argue they aren't even on the main receiving end of it (that - I think - would be college gamers).

So instead of pandering to the media narrative by focusing exclusively on females, surely we should take a step back, realise this is a symptom of a larger problem that is bound to fix itself and that this sensationalism isn't helping anything.

Sorry for the long post everyone, I got a little carried away.

Smeatza:

So your card isn't being checked "solely on the basis you being female." It's being checked due to a general atmosphere of fear and apprehension of change within the community. And the excuse they're using to check your card in particular is your gender.

So you just admitted I was correct, you realize. That crap's got to stop. The most I can do, I realize, is to rebuff the pricks that do it, and simply refuse to be a part of their group.

I've had to do this, A LOT. Not always on a gender issue, but if you're going to call me a fake or a johnny come lately, especially say it to someone who knew the old guard of the hobby, I'm going to take it pretty bitter and not have anything to do with you.

matthew_lane:

Nope. I'm sorry, but its actually the complete opposite. There is a growing reluctance in all geek culture to allow women to continue to set the rules for acceptable conduct in geek culture. Especially when female geeks get treated just like male geeks & then some of them complain about being treated exactly the same as we treat each other.

Sorry buddy, I slung dice at tables since 1985, and rocked joysticks (the game kind, you smartasses...) since 1983. I can't recall a single male being told in either setting to "Get back in the kitchen and make a sandwich" or "Men don't belong in gaming". Heck, I didn't even get told that garbage until lately.

We argue incessently like overgrown children, we excommunicate people who disagree about the best version of a thing & we expect to get just as good as we give. Female geeks are not given a free pass anymore

We never were. Footage of shouting matches I got into at Historicon and Cold Wars over whether or not a battle of Nagashino game scenario should be tweaked to give the Takeda cavalry an actual chance to hit the barricades, just to name ONE example, didn't care about my gender. I got hit in the face with the same "philistine" and "fucking softcore" accusations as the boys.

Or how just once i want to hear a convention guest speaker who is female & actually has something to say that doesn't immediately come back to being female. I downloaded a torrent of almost every panel from this years comicon (30 gigs worth) & i swear there wasn't a single female guest speaker that didn't at some time make the "oh but i'm a female, so i'm special/snowflake/hard done by" style comment.

Soooo, one convention makes your point hard fact.

Super. That means my experiences at these wargame panels I've been to ever since I was in HMGS East are equally valid.

Vault101:
17 pages

.........17 bloody pages

what is it about females that makes people go insane?

It's a way for people like Matthew, Flouexetine, and the rest of their like minded bretheren to feel like they have power, if only philosphical. THey believe this is THEIR yard, THEIR culture, noone else's. And it's understandable that they think this. Now, we're percieved to be on their turf, and the once haughty female species that shunned them socially, are now in their turf, where they believe they are the lords and masters.

It's pure revenge for some people. Matthew Lane and friends feel they can now play social taskmaster to a demographic that previously had small representation in their culture. Hell, I wouldn't even be so hostile to this mentality if they applied it only to the sort of girls we're talking about; the trendies, the hipsters. I have little sympathy for them.

Thing is, Matthew Land and Co. feel they are perfectly valid in applying this little social inquisition to EVERY SINGLE FEMALE. Not just the hipsters, but people like me and Moonlight who have been in this culture and contributed to it longer than most of the boys have. THAT'S where I get hostile, buddy.

Moonlight Butterfly:

Vault101:
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It's very frustrating, it's almost like we are socially screwed if we openly enjoy it and of course if we keep it a secret we get 'women don't like video games shut up'.

:(

And what does that do? That just breeds even more resentment, and certain posters around here don't even acknowledge that. Anger leads to fear, fear leads to....you get the idea.

GunsmithKitten:

Smeatza:

So your card isn't being checked "solely on the basis you being female." It's being checked due to a general atmosphere of fear and apprehension of change within the community. And the excuse they're using to check your card in particular is your gender.

So you just admitted I was correct, you realize. That crap's got to stop. The most I can do, I realize, is to rebuff the pricks that do it, and simply refuse to be a part of their group.

I've had to do this, A LOT. Not always on a gender issue, but if you're going to call me a fake or a johnny come lately, especially say it to someone who knew the old guard of the hobby, I'm going to take it pretty bitter and not have anything to do with you.

I also said I don't remotely care about you as an individual, but the general trends you might be indicative of.
And so any conclusions I make while pretending that this crap only happens to you, or even only happens to females, would be very narrow minded and not at all reasonable.

The is a big difference between someone who is sexist and someone who is behaving in an insensitive manner.

In short, while your gender is a factor in this equation, it is an almost negligible factor.

It's the equivalent of me being harassed by a bunch of poor people who suspect I'm rich, and me blaming it on the fact I'm white.

Smeatza:

GunsmithKitten:

Smeatza:

So your card isn't being checked "solely on the basis you being female." It's being checked due to a general atmosphere of fear and apprehension of change within the community. And the excuse they're using to check your card in particular is your gender.

So you just admitted I was correct, you realize. That crap's got to stop. The most I can do, I realize, is to rebuff the pricks that do it, and simply refuse to be a part of their group.

I've had to do this, A LOT. Not always on a gender issue, but if you're going to call me a fake or a johnny come lately, especially say it to someone who knew the old guard of the hobby, I'm going to take it pretty bitter and not have anything to do with you.

I also said I don't remotely care about you as an individual, but the general trends you might be indicative of.
And so any conclusions I make while pretending that this crap only happens to you, or even only happens to females, would be very narrow minded and not at all reasonable.

The is a big difference between someone who is sexist and someone who is behaving in an insensitive manner.

In short, while your gender is a factor in this equation, it is an almost negligible factor.

It's the equivalent of me being harassed by a bunch of poor people who suspect I'm rich, and me blaming it on the fact I'm white.

If you're not going to care about addressing it as an individual, why talk to anyone here at all, seeing as we are...well, individuals.

Also, yes, you might have a point with the equivalency, but ask this; are they, in the end, CORRECT in their assessment?

GunsmithKitten:

Smeatza:

GunsmithKitten:

So you just admitted I was correct, you realize. That crap's got to stop. The most I can do, I realize, is to rebuff the pricks that do it, and simply refuse to be a part of their group.

I've had to do this, A LOT. Not always on a gender issue, but if you're going to call me a fake or a johnny come lately, especially say it to someone who knew the old guard of the hobby, I'm going to take it pretty bitter and not have anything to do with you.

I also said I don't remotely care about you as an individual, but the general trends you might be indicative of.
And so any conclusions I make while pretending that this crap only happens to you, or even only happens to females, would be very narrow minded and not at all reasonable.

The is a big difference between someone who is sexist and someone who is behaving in an insensitive manner.

In short, while your gender is a factor in this equation, it is an almost negligible factor.

It's the equivalent of me being harassed by a bunch of poor people who suspect I'm rich, and me blaming it on the fact I'm white.

If you're not going to care about addressing it as an individual, why talk to anyone here at all, seeing as we are...well, individuals.

Also, yes, you might have a point with the equivalency, but ask this; are they, in the end, CORRECT in their assessment?

We may all be individuals here, but we are individuals discussing ideals and the masses.

The fact they are making the assessment in the first place is wrong. Everyone has to be introduced to a hobby/subculture at some point and how long a person a person has been a part of it is entirely irrelevant.

I've been video gaming since I was a couple of years old and I still know people who are about 5 years younger than me, who could be described as "real" nerds in comparison to me.

I don't mean to justify the behaviour of those who harass you because obviously they are in the wrong. I just want to highlight the fact that while their reason for focusing on you is at least a little bit sexist, it doesn't make them a sexist individual, just and angry and unreasonable one that's trying to make someone else feel angry so they can feel a bit better.

And I always I despise the media narrative, and how this issue has been presented follows the "girls need protecting from nerds" narrative. Which in itself is sexist.

matthew_lane:
We argue incessently like overgrown children, we excommunicate people who disagree about the best version of a thing & we expect to get just as good as we give. Female geeks are not given a free pass anymore, where as before they were so rare as to be given special privileges (this is called benevolent sexism).

Taking gender out of it, why are you so eager to judge people? Why do you want to "argue like overgrown children"? What is it exactly that you are "excommunicating" people from? Nerdiness/gaming is not some exclusive club, and you are not some high priest who has any power to kick people out of it.

I'm a nerd. Have been since childhood. Whatever you think of me isn't going to change that. You say "we expect to give as good as we get" - I question why are you so keen on this "giving"? It seems like a very warped perspective, a very high-school attitude. It might be a better to grow up and just stop judging others so much.

A lot of this thread reeks of the bullied becoming the bullies. There have been many comments made about people suffering for their interests and being outcasts. If that's the case, why would you want to perpetuate that? It just seems like revenge fantasy - you weren't socially accepted, and now it's your turn to do the excluding.

This is a very unpleasant aspect of nerd/gaming culture and not one that should be encouraged. If you want to talk about being fake, if you got into these things to be part of some sort of exclusive club, then you're doing it wrong. It should be about following your passions and enjoying your life, not some kind of stupid social status.

Sorry Jim but you fucked up here. You're wrong. There is an issue and "fake nerd girls" is it. What you have to realise Jim is whether you like it or not; Video Games, Sci-Fi TV, Tabletop Roleplaying, Animé, Comics, and most other traditionally geeky hobbies are male focused, and male dominated. I don't like it but it's true. It's also a begrudging truth that geeks tend to lack the social graces that many others find so easy to practice, while not even close to socially inept as the media depicts us, many geeks are shy, insular people. It's these things that "fake geek girls" (nerd and geek are not the same Jim, you should know better), use to manipulate men. Look closer at the manipulation and consider Jim that the average geek lacks the confidence of you or I. You make videos on the internet, you choose to make yourself a public figure, you're hardly the stereotypical shy geek. The reason your female colleges get such mistrust is we feel manipulated and insulted. All too often women in this industry are paraded around in a desperate attempt to forge an association between the sexy women in skimpy clothes, and the product being hocked. The women aren't part of our social circle, and if they weren't being paid they wouldn't be there. The more irritating though is we all know that while the girls are happy to tease geeks for money, they would never actually date a geek. They think they're better than us, after all Jim, as you so rightly pointed out the masses bullied geeks for daring to have a hobby they disapproved of. No, those girls date meat-heads who's idea of manliness is watching sport and drinking beer, Homer Simpson with muscle tone basically. We all know this. We know the women are superficial, and the fact that they think we're so superficial also that we'll buy shit because they're dressed sexy is frankly offensive. Jim, step back and look at the industry online. The self-proclaimed gamer girls are just casual at best, but they know there are some shy, lonely men on the internet that they can exploit. Whether it's selling shit, gaining ad revenue from web hits, or some combination, it's still blatant manipulation and it's pathetic.

Geez, I was aware of the 'fake geek girl' meme but I didn't know there are people who actually take it this seriously...this all just seems like a bunch of pointless high school level drama.
I'm so glad stuff like this isn't an issue in my circles.

Dijkstra:

Aardvaarkman:

Even if it is, who the hell cares? It doesn't affect you in any way. Just ignore them. It seems that the only way something like this would happen would be if you choose to engage with the "fake" people. Just go and speak to somebody else instead.

Yeah, I'd think this is the mature response in regards to 'fakes'. It's not like you're gonna catch cancer from their existence.

I've been photographing for 15 years or something. I've worked as a professional photographer, both a freelancer and a 9-5 job, I've held classes about photography. I've displayed my pictures in a gallery, though it wasn't as glorious as it may sound. My photos have meaning behind them, I have my own style, I know the technology and settings inside out etc. I have passion for the artform.

I'm a photographer. I've paid the dues to become one. I've put in the hours require to be able to proudly call myself a photographer.

How do you think it makes me feel when I see teenage girls, who obviously only do it because it's fashionable, and easier at the beginning than, say, playing an instrument, post their generic landscape photos on Facebook, list "Photography" as their passion and hobby, and call themselves photography artists? It's insulting. It devalues an artform I love. It devalues the effort I've put in. You are not a photographer nor an artist, you are someone who picked it up because it's fashionable at the moment, and because your parents bought you a dSLR for christmas. Shut your mouth until you understand what you're talking about.

Same deal with these GURLLLL GAM3R xDDD types. Having an Xbox and watching Big Bang Theory doesn't make you a gamer or a nerd. You don't understand what you're talking about, so shut your f****ng mouth. If you're a gamer, you play games because you like playing games, and your gender shouldn't have anything to do with it, so keep it to yourself.

This does not concern the photographers/gamers who are just starting out, but do it for the right reasons. They are more than okay, because they know their place, and know how to keep their mouths shut about things that have nothing to do with gaming/photography.

GunsmithKitten:
Sorry buddy, I slung dice at tables since 1985, and rocked joysticks (the game kind, you smartasses...) since 1983.

No body cares how long you've been gaming GK. Its completely immaterial to this discussion at this point.

GunsmithKitten:
I can't recall a single male being told in either setting to "Get back in the kitchen and make a sandwich" or "Men don't belong in gaming". Heck, I didn't even get told that garbage until lately.

Then you were not paying attention.

GunsmithKitten:
We never were.

Yeah, you really were.

GunsmithKitten:
Footage of shouting matches I got into at Historicon and Cold Wars over whether or not a battle of Nagashino game scenario should be tweaked to give the Takeda cavalry an actual chance to hit the barricades, just to name ONE example, didn't care about my gender. I got hit in the face with the same "philistine" and "fucking softcore" accusations as the boys.

/facepalm. Your entire argument seems predicated on the idea that such things don't happen to male geeks & then you specifically come out & say "oh this happens to male geeks."

GunsmithKitten:
Soooo, one convention makes your point hard fact.

Oh trust me, this isn't just one convention. Has anyone here seen an actual female guest star show up at a con & talk about anything except gender, ever? Seriously? Has anyone seen this yet?

Aardvaarkman:

matthew_lane:
We argue incessently like overgrown children, we excommunicate people who disagree about the best version of a thing & we expect to get just as good as we give. Female geeks are not given a free pass anymore, where as before they were so rare as to be given special privileges (this is called benevolent sexism).

Taking gender out of it, why are you so eager to judge people? Why do you want to "argue like overgrown children"? What is it exactly that you are "excommunicating" people from? Nerdiness/gaming is not some exclusive club, and you are not some high priest who has any power to kick people out of it.

Um, is english not your first language or something? Or did you chose not to read what was actually written & just assume what was there?

This is not about me judging people, its about the long standing tradition of all geeks to judge all other geeks & the lively discussion that crops up around it: Always has, always will, it is after all the natrual state of being for ALL human beings.

Wandering_Hero:

wild0061:

Mechalynx:
I find Fake Nerd Girls annoying, just like I find Fake Anything Anyone annoying. Maybe a bit more even, since I'm a female gamer. And the reason for this is, because people like that are attention whores, that rarely give a shit about what actually interests you. I have met a few and all the encounters went something like this:

"Oh, you like video games!! Me too!!"

"That's nice. Fave genres? RPG, JRPG, RTS...."

*Blank stare*

"Oh all of them.. They're just so much fun!"

Then I tentitavely throw up a few well known recent or classic titles, to get a discussion started, since by then I assume that the person actually wants to talk video games. At best I get a recognition for titles only, sometimes even "Oh I saw my bf/brother/previous victim play it." Minutes after they change topics entirely and/or start talking about themselves. And at this point I lose all interest in this "nerd".

I just find stuff like this insulting, because it gives off an impression that gaming isn't a worthy hobby (or lifestyle for some lucky individuals) and those who enjoy it are just lesser minded people, ready to worship those who feign even the slightest interest. It's not ego stroking, it's the fact that the person blatantly lies to you for no other reasons that self assertion or whatever, and not because they genuinely care what you think.

Pretty much this, 'fake nerds' (either gender) are annoying, like any other fakers, the fakes obviously aren't gonna stop (or care less what anyone says/thinks), easiest thing to do is ignore them and don't give them any attention, as for the marketing of female/male nerd 'culture' or whatever, to get money, if you know its a con lol then don't fall for it by buying their stuff :P simple

Completely agree, can't believe Jim overlooked this.

If Jim reads his comments (in this case its doubtful given the whole 18 pages to look through :( oh well), would be interesting for him to look at the issue from a general perspective as opposed to just looking at the female 'fake nerds', even with just a write-up as opposed to a full Jimquisition vid, I'd read that if he posted it ;)

matthew_lane:

Your entire argument seems predicated on the idea that such things don't happen to male geeks & then you specifically come out & say "oh this happens to male geeks."

No, my point is that male geeks don't get checked BASED ON THEIR GENDER. We do.

Oh trust me, this isn't just one convention. Has anyone here seen an actual female guest star show up at a con & talk about anything except gender, ever? Seriously? Has anyone seen this yet?

Cold Wars 98, Don Featherstone's wife gave a great speech on maintaining and organizing local wargaming clubs.

matthew_lane:

This is not about me judging people

Son, you're the one who called me being a console gamer as perpetuating "all that is wrong with the world."

Judging people is bad enough, but take some freaking responsibility for it instead of masking it behind such mealy mouthed passive aggressive fluff.

Uhura:
Geez, I was aware of the 'fake geek girl' meme but I didn't know there are people who actually take it this seriously...this all just seems like a bunch of pointless high school level drama.
I'm so glad stuff like this isn't an issue in my circles.

Well, if you enforce it well enough within your circles, it never should be. Self policing goes a long way when people are willing to do it.

Some people, however, don't seem to think that's necessary. Quite the opposite, some people here seem to think that it should be encouraged.

TornadoCreator:
The self-proclaimed gamer girls are just casual at best

Wanna compare resumes, homeboy? "Casual at best", you say?

Wandering_Hero:

bloodmage2:
I'm allowed be angry at this for the same reason I can get mad at people who claim to be into electronica because they listened to a skryllex song. It's not that I don't want these girls to become gamers, but at this juncture, they are not. If one said "I'd like to get into gaming", not "lol I'm such a hardcore gamer lol", despite only having played casual games, that'd be a different story.

Nicolaus99:
Nobody likes a poser.

Imagine, somebody goes to your favorite major sporting event's favorite team's championship game, dresses up in whatever crazy fan outfit/bodypaint and makes a noisy spectacle of themselves. You happen to sit next to this person, strike up a conversation and realize X person knows nothing at all about the sport or the team and does not even have any sincere emotional attachment to either. They're just an attention whore hoping people will take pictures of them and praise their 'hardcore fandom'. Is the contemptuous disgust you probably feel any different if X person has tits?

It's like a fake, "viral" advertising campaign trying to pass itself off as natural meme/song/whatever and no one's even getting paid to do it. A sellout, for free and no one even offered to buy.

Don't add tits and cry sexism.

Yes! Totally!

Is it me or are all the reasonable replies and arguments being ignored in favour of loud mouth or sexist people? Its sort of the mentality that led to this week's episode.

Hold a few of the worst up, and use them to smother valid complaints.

mostly agree to this.

alot of people have taken it wayyyy too far, they just topple oil onto that fire, but there are definitely "posers" all over the place, regardless of gender/*insert thing here* and flavor of the month just happens to be "fake nerd girl"

Unfortunately shit happens i guess...

Could add more 2 cents to it, but just will leave it at that for now.

TornadoCreator:
Sorry Jim but you fucked up here. You're wrong. There is an issue and "fake nerd girls" is it. What you have to realise Jim is whether you like it or not; Video Games, Sci-Fi TV, Tabletop Roleplaying, Animé, Comics, and most other traditionally geeky hobbies are male focused, and male dominated. I don't like it but it's true. It's also a begrudging truth that geeks tend to lack the social graces that many others find so easy to practice, while not even close to socially inept as the media depicts us, many geeks are shy, insular people. It's these things that "fake geek girls" (nerd and geek are not the same Jim, you should know better), use to manipulate men. Look closer at the manipulation and consider Jim that the average geek lacks the confidence of you or I. You make videos on the internet, you choose to make yourself a public figure, you're hardly the stereotypical shy geek. The reason your female colleges get such mistrust is we feel manipulated and insulted. All too often women in this industry are paraded around in a desperate attempt to forge an association between the sexy women in skimpy clothes, and the product being hocked. The women aren't part of our social circle, and if they weren't being paid they wouldn't be there. The more irritating though is we all know that while the girls are happy to tease geeks for money, they would never actually date a geek. They think they're better than us, after all Jim, as you so rightly pointed out the masses bullied geeks for daring to have a hobby they disapproved of. No, those girls date meat-heads who's idea of manliness is watching sport and drinking beer, Homer Simpson with muscle tone basically. We all know this. We know the women are superficial, and the fact that they think we're so superficial also that we'll buy shit because they're dressed sexy is frankly offensive. Jim, step back and look at the industry online. The self-proclaimed gamer girls are just casual at best, but they know there are some shy, lonely men on the internet that they can exploit. Whether it's selling shit, gaining ad revenue from web hits, or some combination, it's still blatant manipulation and it's pathetic.

And those who aren't "at best casual" ? Hell, those of us who aren't shallow, scheming, maniacal human beings out to leech the resources from other human beings by whatever means necessary, while we're at it? Okay - that was a little flamey, sorry - back to the point.

I hope you recognize we exist. I'll grant you that there are a good number of posers (and I've even run into the occasional male poser trying to impress ME with video game knowledge he doesn't have because I'm pretty vocal about my passion on my campus and in my classrooms - and not horribly unattractive if I do say so myself, maybe a solid 6.5) , but grant me that women who are serious about video games exist - I won't even make us commit to a number, just that we are not mythical.

So what about us? Where do we fit into your views? That's what's got the ladies who are posting so aggressively here (even though most of us know this battle is lost before it is begun and has been time and time again both here and elsewhere) concerned. Most of us are not worried about how the inevitable posers are viewed - we are upset that we have been lumped in with them simply because we share a chromosomal configuration that gives us different sexy bits.

Am I the only one who sees the reason behind the hate for Fake Nerd Girls?

You're not supposed to pretend you like something just to attract attention. It's dishonest, disingenuous and makes you a sell-out.

It gets worse when it's a woman, trying or not, to get male attention, because it reignites the sexual debates all over again and then nothing gets solved.

It's attention whoring, basically. I only just now found out about this by watching the episode and I'm all in on the hate bandwagon because it's another one of those retarded marketing ploys that exploit the male demographic (yes, males are exploited too).

Yopaz:
I rarely agree this much with him. Seriously, why would anyone get upset over a person being so desperate for your attention that she pretends to like what you do just to get attention? It seems like a strange thing to get upset over, but I don't know.

I'm sure people have replied but let me throw my 2 cents in. I don't get "angry" per-say, I just get really annoyed with them... I've never had much problem with the Cosplayers that Jim was talking about though, but I will say nintendo's commercials as of late have been getting under my skin with the whole "With nintendo, I'm NOT a gamer, I'm a [insert commercial here]" because to me at least, that feels like nintendo is trying to say gaming is a bad thing and they're trying to rename it.

As for the "fake nerd girls" that actually do bug me, I don't "hate" them, they're just annoying... It's like shoving a republican in a room full of democrats, almost every person in there will see this guy and think "Ugh he has no idea what he's talking about and we really wish he would just shut up and leave". At least that's what the fake nerd girls here are like...

Cid SilverWing:
Am I the only one who sees the reason behind the hate for Fake Nerd Girls?

You're not supposed to pretend you like something just to attract attention. It's dishonest, disingenuous and makes you a sell-out.

It gets worse when it's a woman, trying or not, to get male attention, because it reignites the sexual debates all over again and then nothing gets solved.

It's attention whoring, basically. I only just now found out about this by watching the episode and I'm all in on the hate bandwagon because it's another one of those retarded marketing ploys that exploit the male demographic (yes, males are exploited too).

This couldn't have been said better. I tried and failed, well done sir. xD

Cid SilverWing:
Am I the only one who sees the reason behind the hate for Fake Nerd Girls?

You're not supposed to pretend you like something just to attract attention. It's dishonest, disingenuous and makes you a sell-out.

It gets worse when it's a woman, trying or not, to get male attention, because it reignites the sexual debates all over again and then nothing gets solved.

It's attention whoring, basically. I only just now found out about this by watching the episode and I'm all in on the hate bandwagon because it's another one of those retarded marketing ploys that exploit the male demographic (yes, males are exploited too).

I agree with you on some level. I don't know how much though.

Jim sort have missed the forest for the trees here as he usually does. Jim is thinking about an idealized woman dressing/acting like she is into video games so she can get attention from the unattractive nerds. Blatant stereotypes aside, this probably wouldn't happen.

This has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Are you sure you're not making this up? If not I could use a bit of trickery now and again if you know what I mean.

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