Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

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The thing that annoys me is not so much the "fake geek/gamer girls", but rather the "real" geek/gamer girls who, as Jim said, need to show credentials in order to be accepted. Kinda recently, The Game Station (they're a channel on Youtube) got a new host for their "Remag" gaming news show after the old host left TGS to pursue other goals. I remember the old host having to explain how the new host (who was a girl) was better than him by listing all her credentials. I don't blame them for doing so, but it's kinda ridiculous. Can't people just take their word for it that she's a "real" gamer girl? Why does she need to prove it to the viewers?
Similarly, one of my favorite Youtubers, also a girl, was asked if she Was faking her enthusiasm for gaming. Really? I'd think making gaming related content for two years would kinda put any doubts to rest. People and their stupid witch hunts for shit that doesn't even matter.

Sylocat:
But that's not what matthew_lane is doing.

what am i not doing?

13thforswarn:
I don't blame them for doing so, but it's kinda ridiculous. Can't people just take their word for it that she's a "real" gamer girl? Why does she need to prove it to the viewers?

Because he or she is speaking as an authority on a body of objecitve work. Its the same reason i don't ask bob down the street to speak to the house of commons on the topic of climate change... Because he doesn't know anything on the topic.

As Isaac Asimov said: "Anti-Intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge'."

matthew_lane:

Matthewmagic:
The only kind of person I can imagine believing in "Fake nerd girls" would be the kind of elitist snob who takes their opinion as fact.

But heres another case of the fake gamer girl: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMYOBSmeUNE The video contains failed porn star alana sonnen who got caught out faking knowing how to game on a pay sight called pwnedbygirls. She was caught out faking playing, with a controller that was clearly not turned on, with her son in the background actually playing for her.

In fact of all the videos about the "fake gamer" on youtube, as a subset of the fake geek, the predominate trend is that they are actually made by women. Videos like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORKW7oSZYZQ

So now you know that fake gamer girls do in fact exist.

EDIT: If anyone knows where to find the above video, where two girls at a fighting game contest completely get owned & so start talking shit about sexism in gaming & how the female characters aren't just there to be drooled over by guys, please drop me a line. I really want to get that video URL again, because it really does perfectly showcase the attention seeking behaviour of fake gamer girls

So I watched your video, then went to the website. I can't find a way too say this without being patronizing but it is a porn site. "OMFG, that guy isn't a real pizza delivery guy. That girl on the jack hammer in her bra isn't a real construction worker." I mean you have to be kidding me, none of these women are doing anything more then a job, and you shouldn't take it personally when they don't do the activity they are selling. This isn't really a thing and you know it.

Okay I have not seen that video the video you are referencing. I'm willing to bet that these girls are more likely noobs then fake nerds. Maybe they played a video game on a whim, or maybe their nerd-em lays in some other realm.

Do I have to defend the position that fake nerd girls found on porn sites do not count? If someone is trying too sell you a fantasy, that is all that it is, a fantasy. This does not represent any real person.

Your second video, strikes me as a bit more too the point. People using sex appeal to sell content is nothing new. video games do it all the time. What makes them any less of a gamer? If they are just whoring for views they are doing the same thing 90% of youtube is doing. If they genuinely like games, they are gamer. If they are faking it, how does that make them any different from almost anything else on the internet.

If this is your arguement, then I must propose that we need to stop worrying about fake gamer girls, and start concerning ourselves with the fake zombie population, sparkling vampires, and psycho slashers.

I wonder why it's somewhat acceptable (or simply acknowledge and not bothered) to call off posers in other sub cultures, but apparently not in gaming. It's only because the "girl" part?

Matthewmagic:
So I watched your video, then went to the website. I can't find a way too say this without being patronizing but it is a porn site. "OMFG, that guy isn't a real pizza delivery guy. That girl on the jack hammer in her bra isn't a real construction worker." I mean you have to be kidding me, none of these women are doing anything more then a job, and you shouldn't take it personally when they don't do the activity they are selling. This isn't really a thing and you know it.

Except it is a thing: Its a thing full of fakes. You made the statement that there was no such thing as a fake gamer girl, yet in your own words, the website i directed you too is full of people being fake, pretending to be gamers. So by definition there is such a thing as fake gamer girls.

Matthewmagic:

Okay I have not seen that video the video you are referencing. I'm willing to bet that these girls are more likely noobs then fake nerds. Maybe they played a video game on a whim

I wish i lived in a universe where i could play in televised tournaments on a whim.

Matthewmagic:
Do I have to defend the position that fake nerd girls found on porn sites do not count?

Except for two major points
1. The given site was not a porn site, it was a site where you could supposedly game with female gamers, but weren't really
2. It sdoesn't matter if it was a porn site, the only qualifier here is if the said women are passing themselves off as geeks while not being geeks. I mean how is this any different then the girl who goes to a con wearing a bikini & pretending to be a character she knows nothing about?

Theo nly qualifier for being a fake gamer girl, or geek is if you are pretending to be either a gamer or a geek, while being female & not being either a gamer or a geek... Or in some cases even a girl.

Matthewmagic:
If someone is trying too sell you a fantasy, that is all that it is, a fantasy. This does not represent any real person.

See also previous statements about slutty cosplayers who call themselves geeks. I'm sorry mate, but you've just been forked: Mortons Fork that is. By your own words, either slutty cosplay girls who show up specifically to be a sexual commodity are not geeks at all, in which case we are right to geek check them, or they should not be geek checked because we should take them at face value, as we should the fake gamer girls on the previously mentioned site.

The undeniable fact is however that fakes exist & they exist in plenty at the moment, because male geeks over the age of about 23 have a readily disposable income. Frankly, its very similiar to the idea of a subset of women going to college to pick up a MRS degree.

Matthewmagic:
Your second video, strikes me as a bit more too the point. People using sex appeal to sell content is nothing new. video games do it all the time. What makes them any less of a gamer?

The second video wasn't trying to show that anybody was fake, it was showing that the predominate trend in people calling out that kind of "look at my boobs, because i'm a girl playing COD in my panties" style players, are other women. Yet the pretense is always that its mean old men picking on poor little girls, who just want to belong.

Matthewmagic:
If they are just whoring for views they are doing the same thing 90% of youtube is doing. If they genuinely like games, they are gamer.

no actually it doesn't. Geek is not a synonym for "aware of [insert name of subject]." I'm wearing pants, that doesn't make me a fashion industry geek though, does it.

matthew_lane:
Except for two major points
1. The given site was not a porn site, it was a site where you could supposedly game with female gamers, but weren't really
2. It sdoesn't matter if it was a porn site, the only qualifier here is if the said women are passing themselves off as geeks while not being geeks. I mean how is this any different then the girl who goes to a con wearing a bikini & pretending to be a character she knows nothing about?

Theo nly qualifier for being a fake gamer girl, or geek is if you are pretending to be either a gamer or a geek, while being female & not being either a gamer or a geek... Or in some cases even a girl.

A site where you pay money to watch ex porn starts 'play' games with next to no clothing... Yup, that's a porn site.

And also: It is exploitation. Most probably run by a group of people containing all genders but mostly men. With 'models' pretending to be what is advertised. Like all porn / exploitation sites. I don't complain that the pron actresses I prefer pretend to be something and I don't extend their depcition on real women. These are 'actresses' who do what they are told to do.

How is this different to cosplay? Well, cosplay is just a hobby not done for profit reasons, they do it primarely for themselfs. They do not exploit anyone, they just love out their hobby which consumes time, money and is socially not normal - thus they are nerds by extension and not part of the topic at hand.

But not only that but: Cosplayers do not pretend to know a lot about what they are cosplaying. It is you who draws that assumption.

TheKasp:
A site where you pay money to watch ex porn starts 'play' games with next to no clothing... Yup, that's a porn site.

So by extension Comicon is now porn? After all you can see women wearing almost no clothing getting paid to play games there too.

TheKasp:
And also: It is exploitation.

You mean exploitation in the same way as a woman at a convention wearing almost nothing, as a sexual commodity is explotation. LOL, i love how you'll all go to great lengths to justify this kind of deception in trendies, but when its done honestly for money you'll all jump up & down declaring things to be porn.

TheKasp:
Most probably run by a group of people containing all genders but mostly men.

Doesn't matter who its run by, at the end of the day its a woman pretending to be a gamer, in exchange for money. By its very definition this is a fake gamer girl. So the question of the validty of there existance is no longer in play. They demonstrably exist. Yes i used the most extreme case to showcase there existance, but that was done so no one could try to recontextualise the example as something else (ironically, something that was tried anyway).

TheKasp:
How is this different to cosplay? Well, cosplay is just a hobby not done for profit reasons,

Except for when it is done for money, such as the D20 girls.

TheKasp:
they do it primarely for themselfs.

They sure do, they do it to drqaw attention to themselves. Not a bad thing on its own, except for when its done in a fashion that truns the person from consumer into sexual commodity & then it really becomes an issue (an issue that does not hinge on them being a geek/gamer or not).

TheKasp:
But not only that but: Cosplayers do not pretend to know a lot about what they are cosplaying.

Then they should not be offended when someone checks there geek credentials & they can say "i don't have any, but isn't this outfit nifty". Instead we have the current situation where these people will pretend to know more then they actually do & that pissess off fans.

matthew_lane:

So by extension Comicon is now porn? After all you can see women wearing almost no clothing getting paid to play games there too.

So they play games topless and all you do is pay them for pretending to play? Or are those just Boothbabes who are doing a job and are just there to 'sell'?

You mean exploitation in the same way as a woman at a convention wearing almost nothing, as a sexual commodity is explotation. LOL, i love how you'll all go to great lengths to justify this kind of deception in trendies, but when its done honestly for money you'll all jump up & down declaring things to be porn.

It is exploitation in the sense that it targets a certain audience with a stereotype created by exactly that audience. We are talking about the people who send girls messages if they are naked while playing or if they want to show their boobs... So why not hire a few pron actresses to do exactly that? They exploit a situation and stereotype that the gaming community created.

Doesn't matter who its run by, at the end of the day its a woman pretending to be a gamer, in exchange for money. By its very definition this is a fake gamer girl. So the question of the validty of there existance is no longer in play. They demonstrably exist. Yes i used the most extreme case to showcase there existance, but that was done so no one could try to recontextualise the example as something else (ironically, something that was tried anyway).

Well, it does matter because the people who run those sites set the rules on how the models have to behave - as well as represent the product they want to sell (as in people who pay for the topless hours).

Except for when it is done for money, such as the D20 girls.

What are the D20 girls?

They sure do, they do it to drqaw attention to themselves. Not a bad thing on its own, except for when its done in a fashion that truns the person from consumer into sexual commodity & then it really becomes an issue (an issue that does not hinge on them being a geek/gamer or not).

So... What the fuck are you talking about?

Yes, cosplayer go to conventions in their costumes to show them off, that is nothing new or even a point of discussion. And as long as they do that they never go beyond being just a consumer / visitor of event in question.

The only times when I can think of cosplay in context of sexual commodity is when the booths hire women to present the product in certain clothing - be it themed to the game or the standard skinny outfit. And in that situation: If anyone assumes they are something beyond just an addition of advertisement is plain and simple and idiot. But those people, booth babes, have jack shit to do with the topic and discussion at hand - fake geek / nerd girls.

Then they should not be offended when someone checks there geek credentials.

Why should someone check their geek credentials? Because she is a woman? Because it all boils down to that. A woman dressing up as XYZ without playing the games.

I like to point out again: I was never even once geek checked in my life.

Also: Your example of higher mathematics sucks ass. Because the check is not done by the persons discussing but the simple fact that you have passed certain exams and / or have a degree. Neither the geek nor nerd community have such exams or degrees. If I like some games I am a gamer - and since it has yet to become a social accepted activity I am a nerd.

I don't know any nerd girls, 'real' or 'fake'. Feel free to weep for me

TheKasp:
What are the D20 girls?

Oh wow, i just realised how ignorant on this topic you are. D20 girls is a company that pays girls to cosplay at geeky events. Though the initial concept was to supply actually geeky girls in self made cosplay as "boothbabes," with a focus on knowledge over appearance... Of course the original intention is long gone already & now they are just another model agency full of trendies, hiring out to companies whose products they know nothing about.

Okay, lets just cover this now. You are wrong in your stated opinions... I'm not telling you this to be rude, its just how it is. As for the rest of your spiel, it all unfortunately falls back on your argument from ignorance.

Fake Gamers/Geeks do exist, primarily because at the moment appearing to be intelligent is trendy & everyone thinks they know that geeks are intelligent (which is not true in its self). Unfortunately stupid people emulating the hobbies of smart people are still no brighter then they were before they started to emulate geekdom.

This has lead to the mainstream picking up geeky things & unfortunately its convinced a whole heap of non geeks that they can be geeks to by putting on glassess & a shirt with a superhero logo on it.

This has unfortunately encouraged a whole bunch of trendies, who are predominately women to "play at geek." An like any culture being invaded by trendies & hipsters, the invaded culture is generally opposed to this (as they should be).

Unfortunately the means by which we have devised to out the trendies, has unfortunately tripped up the innate, genetically hardwired same group preference of a particular gender in our society. Essentially the chain of events goes something like this

1. Newcomer gets geek-checked & is incidentally female

2. Newcomer may or may not be a geek, but takes offense anyway

3. Newcomer gets online & makes a giant production out of how she was attacked by men

4. White-Knights & other women internalise her narrative, while reinforcing men as monster an woman as victim. They then echo her sentiment, blowing it up to something epic, till eventually its all men attacking all women.

5. Suddenly everyone knows "all geek men, attack all geek women all the time, its endemic. Everyone knows this"

6. Any time after this "knowledge" is passed around, anyone disagreeing with any woman ever, in any field related to anything remotely geeky, a form of cognitive bias called belief bias kicks in & suddenly "oh my god, its true, all geek men do attack all geek women, you are doing it to me right now because i'm a woman, i must reblog this right now as evidence."

matthew_lane:
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You can either have have well dressed female video game characters or skimpily dressed cosplayers.

They are only dressing in costumes that already exist after all. ;-)

I think this whole argument is pointless. They aren't doing anything to harm people even if they are big fat fakers. Let them be.

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Wow, look at this cosplayer designing his cosplay around pulling the ladies. What a smug bastard. Clearly our entire geek culture is going to cave in because of his existence. Shun the non believer SHUUUUUUUN-NA /sarcasm.

So they are cosplaying for attention...simple solution don't personally give them attention. There you can sleep at night now.

Wow 22 pages of this nonsense.

Clearly some people in this thread do not have a lot of life experience. Marketers/advertisers "lie", they are trying to sell. A product, a service, an idea, a lifestyle...If they can get you to think about what they are selling or discuss it that is a win for them. There is nothing new or unique to the "gaming culture" about this.

As for regular people...both men and women "pretend an interest" in the others activities for attention this is not new either. Although there does seem to be a need to point out that not all women who are not HARDCORE gamers are seeking attention from any random "geeks".

Geek checks...wow if this is a thing then those of you who subject others to this are elitist little shits who desperately need a life.

matthew_lane:
[quote="Matthewmagic" post="6.394138.16000550"]

1. Except it is a thing: Its a thing full of fakes. You made the statement that there was no such thing as a fake gamer girl, yet in your own words, the website i directed you too is full of people being fake, pretending to be gamers. So by definition there is such a thing as fake gamer girls.

2. I wish i lived in a universe where i could play in televised tournaments on a whim.

3. Except for two major points
1. The given site was not a porn site, it was a site where you could supposedly game with female gamers, but weren't really
2. It sdoesn't matter if it was a porn site, the only qualifier here is if the said women are passing themselves off as geeks while not being geeks. I mean how is this any different then the girl who goes to a con wearing a bikini & pretending to be a character she knows nothing about?

Theo nly qualifier for being a fake gamer girl, or geek is if you are pretending to be either a gamer or a geek, while being female & not being either a gamer or a geek... Or in some cases even a girl.

4.See also previous statements about slutty cosplayers who call themselves geeks. I'm sorry mate, but you've just been forked: Mortons Fork that is. By your own words, either slutty cosplay girls who show up specifically to be a sexual commodity are not geeks at all, in which case we are right to geek check them, or they should not be geek checked because we should take them at face value, as we should the fake gamer girls on the previously mentioned site.

5. The undeniable fact is however that fakes exist & they exist in plenty at the moment, because male geeks over the age of about 23 have a readily disposable income. Frankly, its very similiar to the idea of a subset of women going to college to pick up a MRS degree.

The second video wasn't trying to show that anybody was fake, it was showing that the predominate trend in people calling out that kind of "look at my boobs, because i'm a girl playing COD in my panties" style players, are other women. Yet the pretense is always that its mean old men picking on poor little girls, who just want to belong.

6. no actually it doesn't. Geek is not a synonym for "aware of [insert name of subject]." I'm wearing pants, that doesn't make me a fashion industry geek though, does it.

1. It is a porn site you tool. If you can't tell the difference between people trying too trick you and people trying to get you too pay them money (by consomption of one thing or another) then you are either twelve, or grew up in Omish Country.

2. Yeah the more you tell me about this the less I believe you. First off since when are fighting games televised. Secondly since when do television executives not screen their contestants. Third, since when is anything that happens on television not scripted. Even reality TV has been shown to be extensively cut to convey a certain narrative.

3. Yes, it is porn. and yes it does matter. No one there is trying too trick you, you should know better. There should be no issue of "exposing" anyone. they aren't faking it to trick you, they are faking it for the sake of "Performance art." How is it you can't tell the difference between these two things.

4. Buddy I have bad news. This is where you get sexist. I was going to try avoiding using that word but you went there and now I'm calling you on it.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltau5f2fAK1r51bw9o1_500.jpg SO is he a fake gamer because he combined sex appeal and cosplay. How do you know these people even exist have you spoken too someone who doesn't know their characters? Are you sure they where not hired? Or dragged along by their friends becuase they needed a pink power ranger?

I still don't believe this happens, if a girl shows up in cosplay just to be sexy and stand by a booth or something, I get that. That is what we adults call jobs. But there are better places to seek sexual atention than cons, and frankly it is egocentric of you too think that just because a girl is dressed in "slutty" cosplay (hint: most female cosplay is slutty, after all it was designed by men) she wants your attention. She most likely couldn't give two shits about you or the high horse you rode in on.

No one is trying too trick you. You are not such a sexual target for anyone that they care for your attention. The only time they try to ellicit it is when they are trying too sell you something.

5. No at about age 23 you can recognize this shit for what it is.

6. it is against the law to go naked. No one forces you to play games.

I feel you miss the bigger point. Sex symbols will always exist but that doesn't give you the right to rape them. Many females in geek culture are designed to be sex symbols. Frankly it doesn't take the high degree of intelligence most geeks like to pretend it does to be a geek. and maybe if you didn't dismiss attractive women before they dismissed you, you would find you had a lot in common. hey, what do I know.

Orekoya:

Rheinmetall:
I believe that fake nerd girls exist only in the context of games advertisment and games marketing in general. I don't think I have ever met an ordinary female gamer in real life, not even a faker I would say.

Meh, even that rings hollow, I mean if they truly did not care about video games why would they be doing this as a job. I don't see how putting up with mealy-mouthed jack-offs that constantly treat them with open belligerence could be born from anything other than a labor of love.

I'm sure there are female gamers, but not as many as they want us to believe. And from the few cases of female gamers I have known and talked to via the internet, they are nowhere near the male gamer standard, in terms of skills, devotion, knowledge and taste about games.

If we're going to tackle problems between Nerds and Non-Nerds, this isn't a priority.
One of the biggest problems with the nerd community is how hostile it can be to new-joining outsiders, especially online, which leads to the creation of 'Nerds in Denial'.

My girlfriend is one such person, as she went through high-school with preppy party-animals, she kept her interest in fantasy, sci-fi and anime under-wraps for fear of ridicule. It wasn't until she graduated and started dating me she realized how nerdy me and her friends really were(I guess they showed their true colours after grad too), and that it's totally normal to be, especially with Hollywood's new fascination with Nerd Culture. My dad is also one, he's from South America and was a punk-rocker, but also a Star Wars, LOTR, and Trek fan. However he rejects nerd culture and even me and my brothers' interests because they're "weird" or "pointless" in his mind.

Maybe Fake Nerd Girls are girls who want to join the Nerd community and just don't know how? Maybe they're sick and tired of being seen as an object or just a trophy and they came to us in search of smart men who can take them seriously. Now if that is true, even for a fraction of them, that means all these people angry at them for not having vast knowledge are letting them down on that front. We shouldn't focus on shaming Fake Nerd Girls and outsiders for not being nerdy enough, we should focus on drawing them in and bolstering our ranks, so by creating bigger fan-bases for what we love, we can see better-funded, more frequent instalments in the future.

I have never had a problem with fake nerd girls nor do I see why people do. If they are willing to wear skimpy clothing to get attention I am okay with that. It does not detract from the enjoyment I get from playing games or going to cons.

I don't know about you, but I feel these whole conversations that took place in this thread are going in circles, and are just as annoying, as shown here:

Now, I don't doubt that there are some attention seekers, of both sexes, but I think that what would really sort the issue out for us is approaching it with some relaxed attitude, humor and common sense.
Being a geek, nerd, a gamer, what have you, is not some elite club you must pass tests to join. Demanding people meet your arbitrary standards is like taking revenge on all the jocks that made fun of you in high school, effectively turning you into a bully yourself.
On the other hand, there are some people who clearly are annoying phonies. So you really can use that common sense and just remove yourself from their vicinity.
Look, it's not that hard, being reasonable.
And honestly... "sexy ladies are harshing my juju!" ..? Don't you have bigger problems, especially on cons? Like.... which panel to attend, for example?

Matthewmagic:
1. It is a porn site you tool. If you can't tell the difference between people trying too trick you and people trying to get you too pay them money

Sop exactly like some fake gamers then.

Matthewmagic:
2. Yeah the more you tell me about this the less I believe you. First off since when are fighting games televised.

Since 2010 in the united states, a lot earlier in Korea & China. The fact that you didn't know this makes me really wonder about your other so called geek credentials. I know this & i'm neither American, nor have any interest in fighting games.

Matthewmagic:
Secondly since when do television executives not screen their contestants.

When they are live... Or when its a contest.

Matthewmagic:
Third, since when is anything that happens on television not scripted.

When there is some sort of sports event, or competition like a televised game tournament.

Matthewmagic:
3. Yes, it is porn. and yes it does matter.

No it really doesn't. The existance of fake gamers has been demonstrably showcased now. You can no longer deny they exist. Further statements to the contrary are the equiviliant of a creationist making arguments for the grand canyon being created in 12 seconds during noahs flood.

Matthewmagic:
4. Buddy I have bad news. This is where you get sexist. I was going to try avoiding using that word but you went there and now I'm calling you on it.

An that would be an appeal to motive. When all else fails & you run out of arguments, call the other person a sexist/racist so they'll stop arguing. Sorry mate, doesn't work with me. There was nothing sexist in that statement.

Matthewmagic:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltau5f2fAK1r51bw9o1_500.jpg SO is he a fake gamer because he combined sex appeal and cosplay.

/facepalm. You really keep on missing that one important statement i keep on making: There is nothing wrong with being attractive, its only when one becomes a sexual commodity over being a consumer does it become an issue.

Matthewmagic:
How do you know these people even exist have you spoken too someone who doesn't know their characters? Are you sure they where not hired? Or dragged along by their friends becuase they needed a pink power ranger?

Because as i've stated a half dozen times now, if someone is at a con in a costume & they don't know who they are cosplaying as because they've been dragged along, no one gets bent out of shape because they've been geek checked. Because the genuinely ignorant say "i have no idea." An at that point geeks generally stop caring. Its the people who pretend to have a knowledge set beyond what they actually have that piss people off.

Matthewmagic:
I still don't believe this happens, if a girl shows up in cosplay just to be sexy and stand by a booth or something, I get that. That is what we adults call jobs.

No its what adults call a waste of resources.

Matthewmagic:
But there are better places to seek sexual atention than cons,

Actually no. A con is a great hunting ground: Little in the way of competition until recently, full of cashed up beta-males (so rejection chances are lower & the ability to control any grabby males by proxy is astronomical); the false economy of the appearance of everyone wanting said trendies as a sexual commodity, increases the worth of possessing such a person both sexually & emotionally.

Essentially its a huge pay off, for very little in the way of expenditure. Also adding in the anonymous nature of hotel rooms for international conventions & it beats out the bar scene hands down.

Matthewmagic:
and frankly it is egocentric of you too think that just because a girl is dressed in "slutty" cosplay (hint: most female cosplay is slutty, after all it was designed by men) she wants your attention.

Two things.

First, all cosplay is about attention. I've said this a couple of times now, but it really is true. Cosplayers do not to the gardening, washing up, or shopping while wearing those costumes, because there is no one around to appreciate them, to give them attention. Thats not a bad thing, but it becomes a bad thing when one moves from consumer themselves, to sexual commodity.

Secondly, the majority of costumes are actually hand designed by the women wearing them. So by definition not designed by men. An at this point i am again wondering about your actual gekk credentials, that you don't know this.

Matthewmagic:
5. No at about age 23 you can recognize this shit for what it is.

No actually, most people don't. Age doesn't make you less of a target to confidence tricksters.

Matthewmagic:
6. it is against the law to go naked. No one forces you to play games.

Way to toally miss the point mate. The point is that a passing awareness of a thing does not make geekdom.

Rheinmetall:

Orekoya:

Rheinmetall:
I believe that fake nerd girls exist only in the context of games advertisment and games marketing in general. I don't think I have ever met an ordinary female gamer in real life, not even a faker I would say.

Meh, even that rings hollow, I mean if they truly did not care about video games why would they be doing this as a job. I don't see how putting up with mealy-mouthed jack-offs that constantly treat them with open belligerence could be born from anything other than a labor of love.

I'm sure there are female gamers, but not as many as they want us to believe. And from the few cases of female gamers I have known and talked to via the internet, they are nowhere near the male gamer standard, in terms of skills, devotion, knowledge and taste about games.

What sort of horrible conspiracy theory is this? 'they want us to believe.' This just sounds so contrived. What possible advantage is there behind this thought process? I mean what is the motive behind them wanting us to believe they are game nerds because I gotta say speaking from personal experience with this style of treatment, I don't see the benefit of choosing to be ostracized and berated when the alternatives seem so much easier.

Also what are the standards? What even sets these standards? Because I have never been asked to meet them to prove I was one in all my years of being a male nerd and nobody has ever had any problem accepting my submission of being one.

Nobody likes a known faker unless it's specifically for their faking and quite a lot of people in today's world dislike liars. In essence, that's kind of what these people are.

But this is really not a big issue or an issue at all.

matthew_lane:

Matthewmagic:
1. It is a porn site you tool. If you can't tell the difference between people trying too trick you and people trying to get you too pay them money

1. Sop exactly like some fake gamers then.

Matthewmagic:
2. Yeah the more you tell me about this the less I believe you. First off since when are fighting games televised.

2. Since 2010 in the united states, a lot earlier in Korea & China. The fact that you didn't know this makes me really wonder about your other so called geek credentials. I know this & i'm neither American, nor have any interest in fighting games.

Matthewmagic:
Secondly since when do television executives not screen their contestants.

3.When they are live... Or when its a contest.

Matthewmagic:
Third, since when is anything that happens on television not scripted.

4.When there is some sort of sports event, or competition like a televised game tournament.

Matthewmagic:
3. Yes, it is porn. and yes it does matter.

5.No it really doesn't. The existance of fake gamers has been demonstrably showcased now. You can no longer deny they exist. Further statements to the contrary are the equiviliant of a creationist making arguments for the grand canyon being created in 12 seconds during noahs flood.

Matthewmagic:
4. Buddy I have bad news. This is where you get sexist. I was going to try avoiding using that word but you went there and now I'm calling you on it.

6. An that would be an appeal to motive. When all else fails & you run out of arguments, call the other person a sexist/racist so they'll stop arguing. Sorry mate, doesn't work with me. There was nothing sexist in that statement.

Matthewmagic:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltau5f2fAK1r51bw9o1_500.jpg SO is he a fake gamer because he combined sex appeal and cosplay.

7. /facepalm. You really keep on missing that one important statement i keep on making: There is nothing wrong with being attractive, its only when one becomes a sexual commodity over being a consumer does it become an issue.

Matthewmagic:
How do you know these people even exist have you spoken too someone who doesn't know their characters? Are you sure they where not hired? Or dragged along by their friends becuase they needed a pink power ranger?

8. Because as i've stated a half dozen times now, if someone is at a con in a costume & they don't know who they are cosplaying as because they've been dragged along, no one gets bent out of shape because they've been geek checked. Because the genuinely ignorant say "i have no idea." An at that point geeks generally stop caring. Its the people who pretend to have a knowledge set beyond what they actually have that piss people off.

Matthewmagic:
I still don't believe this happens, if a girl shows up in cosplay just to be sexy and stand by a booth or something, I get that. That is what we adults call jobs.

9. No its what adults call a waste of resources.

Matthewmagic:
But there are better places to seek sexual atention than cons,

10. Actually no. A con is a great hunting ground: Little in the way of competition until recently, full of cashed up beta-males (so rejection chances are lower & the ability to control any grabby males by proxy is astronomical); the false economy of the appearance of everyone wanting said trendies as a sexual commodity, increases the worth of possessing such a person both sexually & emotionally.

Essentially its a huge pay off, for very little in the way of expenditure. Also adding in the anonymous nature of hotel rooms for international conventions & it beats out the bar scene hands down.

Matthewmagic:
and frankly it is egocentric of you too think that just because a girl is dressed in "slutty" cosplay (hint: most female cosplay is slutty, after all it was designed by men) she wants your attention.

Two things.

First, all cosplay is about attention. I've said this a couple of times now, but it really is true. Cosplayers do not to the gardening, washing up, or shopping while wearing those costumes, because there is no one around to appreciate them, to give them attention. Thats not a bad thing, but it becomes a bad thing when one moves from consumer themselves, to sexual commodity.

Secondly, the majority of costumes are actually hand designed by the women wearing them. So by definition not designed by men. An at this point i am again wondering about your actual gekk credentials, that you don't know this.

Matthewmagic:
5. No at about age 23 you can recognize this shit for what it is.

No actually, most people don't. Age doesn't make you less of a target to confidence tricksters.

Matthewmagic:
6. it is against the law to go naked. No one forces you to play games.

Way to toally miss the point mate. The point is that a passing awareness of a thing does not make geekdom.

1. No those are called "Performers". What would make someone a legitimate "Fake gamer girl" would be someone whom with their friends claims to be a geek. Who when you ask them, says they are a gamer. But never actually partakes in these events. Whining about models, and porn stars doesn't make anyone "fake" it makes them employed. By your definition everyone in the service industry is a "fake" something or other. Hell I faked being a nice guy when I was a server. Hope the "Nice" culture doesn't get wind of it.

2.No, I live in the US. I have skyped too a few members of the Gamers Paradise club at my college about this, and none of us have ever heard of such a thing being broadcast on television. We only have one real gaming channel, G4tv, and we all agree it is shit. It is possible that such a thing appears on spike. Upon checking my channel listings and wikipedia, and can confirm nothing of this nature has been shown on television in the states or canada. So go ahead and geek check me if you like considering that you don't know what you are talking about.

Actually no, what makes you think you have the right too geek check anyone? This concept concerns me a little. Is it a short test covering a wide array of geeky topics, or is it one piece of esoteric knowledge you can hold over someones head. There is no ID card for this sort of thing.

3. Even in our contests and live events people are screened for abilities. They do it with american Idol, survivor, and Major league football. They would be smart enough to do it here. Asuming they where dumb enough to think american gamers wanted to watch other people play games. There is a reason MLG has never taken off here, except with the dick bags that participate. We would rather be playing the game than watching someone else do it.

4. Even here the announcers have a script they stick too when the games are getting dull. Talking about this person sports jargon or that persons recent injury. (to be honest I can't follow it, I only know this too be true because of my journalism class).

5. This is like calling Robert Pattinson a fake vampire. Or calling Hugh Laurie (Or David Tennant if you prefer) a fake doctor. You know there is a difference between performance and the real world, yet are pointing too performance art and calling it a reality.

6. No, you are still wrong for all the same reasons. What makes you sexist is that if a girl dresses like a sexy anime character, you have to geek check her. If a man dresses like a sexy anime character, he probably just works out. You want too geek check people who don't fit into your specific idea of what a geek should be, and you have spent quite a bit telling me that women in cosplay need to pass a "Geek check" do not fit this idea. It would have been pandering too call you a nazi because of you "Papers Please" approach to geek culture. While it doesn't make you a Nazi, I've made my views on the whole "Geek check" thing explored above.

7&8. I'd make a joke about geek checking you here, but it is just too obvious. Okay geek culture does have an array of strong women, they are a minority but let's face it. Laura Croft, Bayonetta, Trish (DMC), Tifa the list goes on. Sex is (and has always been) a commodity in the entertainment industry, and in video games in particular since they could fine a way to represent tits and give you panty shots during the victory music (Selphie...).

As far as your real examples go, these are hired models, used to sell you games. No different then a booth babe. I know a few cosplayers and they seem too fall into two categories. 1. The hyper fan someone who cosplays for themselves. 2. The extrovert, the people that go as the power rangers or something similar most notable for going in a group. I have never met a cosplayer who didn't know anything about their own character, except in the group case where they just needed someone to fill out a team.

9. (Veiw this as an addendum too the above) Sex sells, everyone knows it. You can turn your nose up and say you are better than it, but the person who is selling isn't better than making money, it is kinda what they are there for.

Honestly I'm sick of this. As I said in my original post elitist. You think every cosplayer dressed slutty designed their own costume ignoring the fact that the costumes are based on character designs done by men for men. You do not understand that when payed money women will act a certain way to sell you things, just as a server would. You don't understand that the world doesn't revolve around you. No one goes to a con for you. You don't get too geek check people because you can not possibly be a perfect geek Possessing omniscience over everything ever considered slightly "geeky".

jdogtwodolla:
Nobody likes a known faker unless it's specifically for their faking and quite a lot of people in today's world dislike liars. In essence, that's kind of what these people are.

But this is really not a big issue or an issue at all.

Well it is when a subset of women deny the existance of those fakers & then try telling everyone that men are being big old meanines towards women, when we identify fakes.

It is also a problem at conventions for a multitude of reasons, but here are the biggest three.

1. Con space & tickets are limited and there really isn't enough room as it is. Worse when that room is being taken up by trendies with no interesting in being a consumer. I have friends who live in San Diego now & one of them has been to comic-con the last three years in a row on comp-tickets, while she is not in any way a fan of any aspect of geekdom. Yet there are people who are geeks who can't get a ticket.

2. Cons are about consuming, they aren't really done for our benefit, out of the goodness of the organisers hearts. The people who have stalls at cons are functioning on a profit margin so thin that huge price increases have become an expected part of the deal. So when you get trendies showing up, especially the ones showing up a sexual commodities, you have someone distracting actual consumers from consuming & you cut into the profit margin of the vendors.

Tony Harris is right to be pissed: Trendies have a tendency to spoil everything they invade, leaving decimated corpses behind them. An nothing would piss me off more then spending days at work (working for myself in a start-up company) where vacious bimbos showed up and pretended to be interested in whatever my business sold, only to spend hours watching them distracting my actual customers & not purchasing anything.

3. There are a few givens in this world: Bars attract people looking to get drunk & be rowdy, Nightclubs attract wankers looking to get laid, Casinos attract criminals of all sorts & a large room packed full of anonymous people & scantly clad women packed in like sardines attracts something too... An its not necessarily unicrons & rainbows its attracting. (yes i know thats not how you spell unicorn).

So yeah, there are some pretty big issues involved.

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Speksi:

Dijkstra:

Aardvaarkman:

Even if it is, who the hell cares? It doesn't affect you in any way. Just ignore them. It seems that the only way something like this would happen would be if you choose to engage with the "fake" people. Just go and speak to somebody else instead.

Yeah, I'd think this is the mature response in regards to 'fakes'. It's not like you're gonna catch cancer from their existence.

I've been photographing for 15 years or something. I've worked as a professional photographer, both a freelancer and a 9-5 job, I've held classes about photography. I've displayed my pictures in a gallery, though it wasn't as glorious as it may sound. My photos have meaning behind them, I have my own style, I know the technology and settings inside out etc. I have passion for the artform.

I'm a photographer. I've paid the dues to become one. I've put in the hours require to be able to proudly call myself a photographer.

How do you think it makes me feel when I see teenage girls, who obviously only do it because it's fashionable, and easier at the beginning than, say, playing an instrument, post their generic landscape photos on Facebook, list "Photography" as their passion and hobby, and call themselves photography artists? It's insulting. It devalues an artform I love. It devalues the effort I've put in. You are not a photographer nor an artist, you are someone who picked it up because it's fashionable at the moment, and because your parents bought you a dSLR for christmas. Shut your mouth until you understand what you're talking about.

Same deal with these GURLLLL GAM3R xDDD types. Having an Xbox and watching Big Bang Theory doesn't make you a gamer or a nerd. You don't understand what you're talking about, so shut your f****ng mouth. If you're a gamer, you play games because you like playing games, and your gender shouldn't have anything to do with it, so keep it to yourself.

This does not concern the photographers/gamers who are just starting out, but do it for the right reasons. They are more than okay, because they know their place, and know how to keep their mouths shut about things that have nothing to do with gaming/photography.

If it makes you upset that's a personal issue you should fix. It's not insulting unless you're really insecure. It doesn't devalue the artform or your effort unless you're choosing to make it personal. Which is an issue you should really fix. Grown ups know how to ignore fakes instead of getting all upset.

Dijkstra:
If it makes you upset that's a personal issue you should fix. It's not insulting unless you're really insecure. It doesn't devalue the artform or your effort unless you're choosing to make it personal. Which is an issue you should really fix. Grown ups know how to ignore fakes instead of getting all upset.

Actually no.

See what happens when you let fakes continualy speak shit is this: They continue to speak shit & when they get successful at it, other people see it & emulate it too.

Call out fakes where ever you see them.

matthew_lane:

Dijkstra:
If it makes you upset that's a personal issue you should fix. It's not insulting unless you're really insecure. It doesn't devalue the artform or your effort unless you're choosing to make it personal. Which is an issue you should really fix. Grown ups know how to ignore fakes instead of getting all upset.

Actually no.

See what happens when you let fakes continualy speak shit is this: They continue to speak shit & when they get successful at it, other people see it & emulate it too.

Call out fakes where ever you see them.

See what happens when a mature person sees this is this: They don't care what other people are doing and saying

Dijkstra:
See what happens when a mature person sees this is this: They don't care what other people are doing and saying

The only reason you don't care is because to you its a hypothetical. Lets use the photography example given already. Lets say you are a phtotographer, who has worked on his technical skills for the better part of a decade & you use your deviantart account to sell prints of your stuff, for cash money.

Except you can't sell your stuff on deviantart, because your high quality work never gets any recognition, because the front page is always completely swamped by low quality web cam images of cam whores with spread eagled legs, showing off there vaginas.

Suddenly you care in a very real way what others are doing and saying.

An frankly, this must be what its like for people who work at cons. They function on a shoe string budget & then a whole heap of trendies show up taking up space that should be occupied by actual customers, distracting those actual customers.

An the same goes for people who list there passion as photography, but know nothing on the topic in general. I'm sorry to tell you that your hobby/passion isn't photography, its pretending to be passionate about photography.

I said this earlier but i'll say it again. I laugh at these statements by people with no talent, the same way a professional horse rider laughs at the novice who espouses there own faux skill when they say things like "i'm a good horse rider too, i've not fallen off once." If you've never fallen off a horse, its because you've not spent long enough on a horse to be bucked.

Likewise, if you are calling yourself a photographer & you lack for any sort of technical skill, you are not a photographer. Its okay to admit you are just an enthusist, but please, never pass yourself off as possessing more technical skill then you really do.

matthew_lane:

Dijkstra:
See what happens when a mature person sees this is this: They don't care what other people are doing and saying

The only reason you don't care is because to you its a hypothetical. Lets use the photography example given already. Lets say you are a phtotographer, who has worked on his technical skills for the better part of a decade & you use your deviantart account to sell prints of your stuff, for cash money.

Except you can't sell your stuff on deviantart, because your high quality work never gets any recognition, because the front page is always completely swamped by low quality web cam images of cam whores with spread eagled legs, showing off there vaginas.

Suddenly you care in a very real way what others are doing and saying.

An frankly, this must be what its like for people who work at cons. They function on a shoe string budget & then a whole heap of trendies show up taking up space that should be occupied by actual customers, distracting those actual customers.

An the same goes for people who list there passion as photography, but know nothing on the topic in general. I'm sorry to tell you that your hobby/passion isn't photography, its pretending to be passionate about photography.

I said this earlier but i'll say it again. I laugh at these statements by people with no talent, the same way a professional horse rider laughs at the novice who espouses there own faux skill when they say things like "i'm a good horse rider too, i've not fallen off once." If you've never fallen off a horse, its because you've not spent long enough on a horse to be bucked.

Likewise, if you are calling yourself a photographer & you lack for any sort of technical skill, you are not a photographer. Its okay to admit you are just an enthusist, but please, never pass yourself off as possessing more technical skill then you really do.

If you can't sell your stuff that is still your own problem. To whine about your competitors is the sign of a failure who needs to grow up and concentrate on his own work. If people don't want it and want garbage instead it's petty to complain about the garbage. Clearly someone needs to come to terms with the fact that people do not care for what they do as much as they thought.

Dijkstra:
If you can't sell your stuff that is still your own problem.

Yes, in this hypothetical problem, the problem would be a particular subset of women co-opting a market for there own benefit. This is totally a problem. Its the equiviliant of me getting a sexy girl in a bikini to come to your place of business & spend the entire day distracting your customers from buying anything... A situation made worse by the fact that your boss has also decided that you are now being paid on commission: which is the exact situations at cons.

Dijkstra:
To whine about your competitors is the sign of a failure who needs to grow up and concentrate on his own work.

But it doesn;'t matter how great your work is, if no one ever see's it because the bikini clad bimbos are between the consumer & the actual goods meant to be consumed.

Dijkstra:
Clearly someone needs to come to terms with the fact that people do not care for what they do as much as they thought.

Your right, lets close all the cons right now... I'm sorry folks, but Dijkstra has spoken... Lets close it all up folks... I know, i'm sorry about it too, but Dijkstra word is law.

/facepalm.

You see what you just did there. By taking the message of your statement, you've just advocated the closing down of something because of trendies. Thats cutting off your nose to spite your face. Congrats, you've just perfectly displayed why subjectivism makes people look stupid. You started from a conclusion & tried to shoe-horn in reality to its small confines, disregarding any bit of reality that doesn't fit.

The fact is that trendies have a tendency to destroy anything they swamp: its the predominate trend of anything trendies get there hands on.

matthew_lane:

Dijkstra:
If you can't sell your stuff that is still your own problem.

Yes, in this hypothetical problem, the problem would be a particular subset of women co-opting a market for there own benefit. This is totally a problem. Its the equiviliant of me getting a sexy girl in a bikini to come to your place of business & spend the entire day distracting your customers from buying anything... A situation made worse by the fact that your boss has also decided that you are now being paid on commission: which is the exact situations at cons.

The problem is your sense of entitlement, where you think you own something you do not. The market is not yours. You are owed what you manage to get out of it. You get nothing? You got what you deserved and complaining about competition is pathetic.

And it isn't the same as going to someone else's place of business. Why? Because you don't own the con.

Dijkstra:
To whine about your competitors is the sign of a failure who needs to grow up and concentrate on his own work.

But it doesn;'t matter how great your work is, if no one ever see's it because the bikini clad bimbos are between the consumer & the actual goods meant to be consumed.

If no one likes your work it's still your own issue. If you fail to advertise and get noticed that is your own problem. If people find other things more interesting, it is your own failure. If your work is never good enough, you're a failure and it is a personal failing. You meant for it to be consumed? Too bad if it isn't, no unethical means were used to stop you. Your rights are unviolated.

Dijkstra:
Clearly someone needs to come to terms with the fact that people do not care for what they do as much as they thought.

Your right, lets close all the cons right now... I'm sorry folks, but Dijkstra has spoken... Lets close it all up folks... I know, i'm sorry about it too, but Dijkstra word is law.

See, you're showing the sort of attitude that makes you a loser. Instead of facing things you cry and seek other means besides the right ones to win an argument. Like claiming I said that people should close all cons. Cons are doing fine, it's just certain con goers need to grow up.

You see what you just did there. By taking the message of your statement, you've just advocated the closing down of something because of trendies. Thats cutting off your nose to spite your face. Congrats, you've just perfectly displayed why subjectivism makes people look stupid. You started from a conclusion & tried to shoe-horn in reality to its small confines, disregarding any bit of reality that doesn't fit.

No, actually you just made a huge leap in logic. People still go to cons, they're doing fine. People do seem to care for the subject matter. I don't see tons of con organizers complaining. I see trash like you complaining.

The fact is that trendies have a tendency to destroy anything they swamp: its the predominate trend of anything trendies get there hands on.

And nope, nothing is being destroyed.

matthew_lane:
space saving

You never came across anyone who started a new hobby and just jumped in head first and wouldn't shut up about it despite a huge lack of knowledge on the subject, if anything it's a great thing to see such enthusiasm so why burn bridges.

Orekoya:

Rheinmetall:

Orekoya:

Meh, even that rings hollow, I mean if they truly did not care about video games why would they be doing this as a job. I don't see how putting up with mealy-mouthed jack-offs that constantly treat them with open belligerence could be born from anything other than a labor of love.

I'm sure there are female gamers, but not as many as they want us to believe. And from the few cases of female gamers I have known and talked to via the internet, they are nowhere near the male gamer standard, in terms of skills, devotion, knowledge and taste about games.

What sort of horrible conspiracy theory is this? 'they want us to believe.' This just sounds so contrived. What possible advantage is there behind this thought process? I mean what is the motive behind them wanting us to believe they are game nerds because I gotta say speaking from personal experience with this style of treatment, I don't see the benefit of choosing to be ostracized and berated when the alternatives seem so much easier.

Also what are the standards? What even sets these standards? Because I have never been asked to meet them to prove I was one in all my years of being a male nerd and nobody has ever had any problem accepting my submission of being one.

I believe that we have a communication problem, and I'm mostly responsible for this since English is not my first language.

Forget about "they want us to believe", I didn't mean that there is a conspiracy, I was speaking with terms of a general impression that is around, according to which female gamers is supposedly a noticeable group. I simply can't see that. Female gamers are like 3% of the total gamers' number. And don't ask me if I have proof for what I say, they might be 7%, or 11%, is it okay? The point is that based on my experience and perception, I think they are few in number.

Now to the question why one would want to masquerade as a gamer and go through all this, I'm covered by the explanation that Jim Sterling gives, that they seek attention of the male audience. This attention basically means two things: Firstly they enjoy the narcissistic feeling that boys are fantasizing about them, and secondly opportunities for promotion, either it's just views on Youtube, or careers in games industry. Also fake gamers don't "go through" anything. It's all for the show. They don't really play that much, neither they love video games, that's why Jim calls them fake gamers.

About the "standards", I didn't mean that there are any standards set by some global gaming organization. Male gamers' standards as I understand them is that boys-gamers usually play a lot and with passion, and they develop skills in certain games that they love. A few male gamers even become exceptional in what they are doing, with extraordinary records. Girls don't show that devotion. For example, I haven't ever watched a speedrun video on YouTube posted by a female gamer. And speedruns are in my opinion the biggest proof of someone's proficiency in a game. I haven't even read a walkthough guide submitted by a female gamer. Is it just coincidense? Why do you think this is happening, if not because of the different approach in video games between the two genders? I made the mistake to name it "standards", you call it as you think.

UltraPic:

matthew_lane:
space saving

You never came across anyone who started a new hobby and just jumped in head first and wouldn't shut up about it despite a huge lack of knowledge on the subject, if anything it's a great thing to see such enthusiasm so why burn bridges.

Except no one has a problem with a legitimate newbie, as a newbie is still a consumer. A newbie doesn't pretend to know more about a topic then they do. Geek checking a newbie reveals them to be a newbie & they determines your level of interest in potentially instructing that person.

An contrary to popular belief, geek checking is not something even TSA would consider invasive. Geek Checking is actually pretty innocious. Only when it detects a trendy trying to fake it does it become antagonistic.

for example

Random Geek: Oh thats a cool costume
Cosplayer: I'm Batgirl
Random Geek: Cool, which Batgirl are you meant to be
Cosplayer: I'm not sure, my friend designed it for me & dragged me along
Random Geek: Thats cool. But you should totally check out the recent Batgirl series.

This is a positive interaction, which is beneficial for all parties. This is a perfect example of what happens when honesty is abound by all parties. See how the geek checking is readily apparent.

Heres what happens when honesty is not abound.

Random Geek: Oh thats a cool costume
Cosplayer: I'm Batgirl
Random Geek: Cool, which Batgirl are you meant to be
Cosplayer: the one from the comic book *frown*
Random Geek: We'll yeah, but there's been a few now.
Cosplayer: The new one (clearly not wearing a new batgirl costume)
Random Geek: Wow, you don't actually know anything about Batgirl do you?
Cosplayer: Yes i do, i know everything about Batgirl.
Random Geek: Really? What medium did Batgirl first appear in?

See how quickly that became antagonistic, when someone pretended to be something they aren't? This is not a geek thing, its a human being thing. You try to do this with any hobby group no matter who they are & they will rip you a new one... right next to the old one.

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