Jimquisition: Fake Nerd Girls

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Interesting that this video aims the accusation so squarely at men for labelling some women as 'fake gamer girls.' I know my significant other, who happens to be lacking a Y chromosome, tends to find such women (or men, because similar labels can also apply to them) irritating, as do I, depending on the circumstances. It's not really irritation based specifically around them claiming they are knowledgeable about games when they may not be, but a more generalized annoyance aimed at anyone who falsely claims interest in anything for the sake of attention, be it the guy who loves philosophy but looks blankly at you when you mention Plato, or the supposed science geek who really just checks the 'science' section on news websites every few months and then repeats it all later when in company.

That said, I can't get that worked up about it. As much as I roll my eyes when somebody looks intensely proud of themselves for recognizing Mario or wearing a gaming shirt, it's no more of a nuisance than somebody with a slightly annoying laugh or that guy who keeps coughing into his hands and then touching stuff. A bit annoying, but not exactly going to ruin your day.

I knew both real nerd girs and fake nerd girls and.... thier all human. the fake nerd girs are as good as fake anything else. posers are posers, and that alsoways brings contraversy, but thats imply their own insecurity.

P.S. just to point out: yes they did cancel my precious firefly.

Smilomaniac:
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AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

longboardfan:
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How are these things hurting the gaming industry exactly, by making them a more inclusive and less sexist place?

How dare you push you way into a female space like My Little Pony and start making demands that the characters conform more to your male ideals! Yeah see how ridiculous that sounds?

Gaming doesn't belong to men any more than books or film so stop acting like we are some sort of new found plague when a lot of us have been gaming for 25 years or more okay?

We aren't interested in geeky stuff because of YOU we are interested because we enjoy it. Wanting to make changes and fighting for those changes just means we care about the medium.

I'd add my few cents to the argument... but I'm just too tired.

I still get odd looks from guys when they see my N7 bag or I talk about games. Sometimes. Other times, they're excited to discuss them with me.

Most of the time? Nothing happens. Gaming culture is regular life now. People don't care. ... At least when you're an adult.

I have, however, had to justify myself many tmes... and sometimes still feel like I need to when I really don't.

At this point in my life, I don't really care. If a girl needs the attention of guys by faking an interest in something - fine. Part of me will viciously hate her because she's prettier than I am (women never grow out of this), but, honestly... I'm wherever I am because I enjoy the content... not because I want guys to notice me.

Went to our local comic-con a few weeks ago - by myself after work - and wandered the booths for a bit. I was one of the older women there (at 29, kinda sad), and didn't get any weird looks. That I noticed. I noticed a few girls dressed to garner attention, and some dressed because they loved the medium. ...

Anyway, if a girl needs guys to stare at her boobs while dressed up as Misty or Samus to feel good about herself, not my problem. I'm not there for the guys either. And any guy who would pick boobs over someone genuinely interested in the topic isn't worth anyone's time.

Never thought i would say this jim but, you're missing the point entirely.

the issue most people have with "fake nerd girls" isn't so much that they feel threatened by them but rather that they tend to be insulted by them. the examples i have seen are those that do the facebook posts of "i'm such a nerd lol" yet have no knowledge about gaming or anything related to what they claim to be, which in general starts a distrust of any body who claims to be a nerd or a gamer. some of these girls even go to the lengths of doing what i mentioned before and then getting nasty towards anyone who tries to start a gaming related conversation (ex: Girl: "i'm such a nerd lol." Guy: "ah so are you going to be watching e3?" Girl: "what?" Guy:"the big gaming convention this summer." Girl: "shut up and get a life" (seriously, that actually happened last summer))

this isn't even restricted to the female population, it's just more common (combine nerd population nearby and an attention whore) as well as more advertised. Men are still not excluded from being called a poser but those that do tend to not advertise what they are posing as, as much, and don't give many people a chance to call them out.

In general the issue is just that people who don't know anything or just don't care about gaming will still act like it because they think they can make friends that way when it really just pisses people off.

"Fake Nerd/Gamer Girls" frustrate me about as much as "Fake Nerd/Gamer Guys" in that I'm desperate for social interaction beyond the odd in-game chat online, and when I try to talk to these people about what I assume will be common ground, I get blank looks at best and unmasked amusement at worst. It's doing damage to my already severely crippled social skills that isn't very easily repaired.

Moonlight Butterfly:

AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

This is why we can't have nice things :)
Well then, feel free to feed the trolls and let's see how much better it'll progress, shall we?

Actually fake gamer girls is a real problem, although it's not just games/shows that they pretend to like. It's also not just girls that pretend to like things while dating someone, and then stop after marriage either.

I was quite honest in my likes and dislikes when I was dating my wife. She knew what she was getting. I burped after eating sometimes (generally because I ate very fast)..and let her know I wasn't planning on changing much (although over the years...married 12+ now...I have slowed down more to her speed) and I let her know I had no interest in her cooking shows and decorating shows.

My wife on the other hand pretended to like video games and many of the more "nerd like" shows (not anime mind you but super hero movies/shows etc). She didn't just INSTANTLY stop pretending once we got married...and she still plays video games, just she plays casual games (like bejewled and word games) instead of the rpgs/shooting games etc she pretended to like when we dated.

I did not realize this for along time even though she played them less and less and it didn't occur to me that she was pretending before. It wasn't till years later that I realized she had never liked them and didn't just become un-interested in them.

I love my wife mind you, but one of the things I felt like I was super lucky to have meet her about was that she also enjoyed my favorite hobby (video games). It was something we did together alot in the first few years (Especially light gun games).

Sex is great, but honestly I almost enjoyed playing video games with her more and I still feel a bit sad that we rarely play anything together (I just got an Ipad 2 so we could play her kind of games together at least...but we have just ended up playing different games side by side instead so far).

Anyway, pretending to like something to get together with someone (male or female) is nothing new. I must admit I get jelous when I hear of other people in a relationship with gamer girls though....it may seem superficial but it has been my favorite form of recreation and it is something I want to share with my wife.

We do still watch "nerdish" shows together at least (I also watch some of her type of shows..though not the cooking/decorating ones). We watch The walking dead and Once apon a time for instance....but also watch Law and Order SVU ....and we have common ground in many comedies (the middle, modern family etc).

I really think the whole "pretend you like something" is a horrible way to start a long term relationship though and "fake gamer girls" isn't really a funny matter.

Smilomaniac:

Moonlight Butterfly:

AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

This is why we can't have nice things :)
Well then, feel free to feed the trolls and let's see how much better it'll progress, shall we?

I'm just kind of disappointed with the general direction of this thread, it's depressing.

Im really getting sick of all this in-fighting in gaming lately but I suppose thats what happens when something becomes so popular. I don't know a single person (okay, maybe my nan) whos never tried a video game. Im sick to death of people in gaming thinking their so fucking special. I understand that things get 'weird' when an artistic medium meets buisness and its the reason I hang out on sites like this to try and help maintain a certain level of credability but... its getting really fucking petty...

I think im alright to look at, not the best stallion on offer but okay. I go to the gym regulary (3-4 times a week) in a bid to 'improve' myself. Im not doing this for anyone besides me, I aspire to work hard and live healthy but oh no, God forbid, I make someone feel uncomfortable! I like games, I like anime/manga, I LOVE CARTOONS!!! Why should anyone have to justify themselves? Ive seen plenty of muscular guys (far larger then myself) rocking Superman shirts at comic conventions and you know what? GOOD ON THEM, I know how hard it is to look like that, if they want to combine that with their love of comics (be it real or not) then I couldn't give a shit. People need to grow the fuck up and just learn to be comfortable with themselves... unless your NOT comfortable with yourself... and maybe your lashing out at others because you want to drag them down to your level... fucking pathetic.

I understand it irritating when your out and about and this shit gets shoved in your face (sexy posters and what not) but when its just a person doing their own thing then whats the problem? I guess I just don't see HOW its hurting the industry, this stuffs in every industry, its not exactly an excuse I know but why the witch hunt? Just seems babyish, ignore it.

For me, I'm afraid, yes this is an issue. Not one to get angry about, but one first hand experience has left me somewhat exasperated of. Many attractive girls (and some guys I'm sure, but I'm yet to meet them personally) will indeed play the "fake nerd" for attention, and my reaction when they turn out to be ignorant or apathetic isn't anger, but actually kinda upset.

The implication of this behaviour is that this person perceived me, and presumably many others like me, to be slaves to sex appeal. For a lot of us, that's just patronising. We gather with the others we do because we want to share and enjoy. I'm real glad you look pretty and all, but it's not all that interesting if you have nothing to speak about, and have no genuine interest in anything going on.

I can't speak for the rest of the culture, but what I want to say is it's not that you can't be attractive or highly social and not be "one of us" so to speak. But you can't be if you have no interest in what we do. You'll get far more positive attention from us if you have something to contribute than if you just look good and pander, and everyone is happier that way.

I don't let this anger me, because it would be immature, and at the end of the day, for every girl I meet with this negative attitude, I meet one who can introduce me to new things and I can talk with. I just wish those were the only ones I'd talk to at conventions, and less of people having to have their cosplayed characters explained to them by passer-bys, and giving weird looks at people asking for photos (a sadly regular occurrence where I live seemingly). There's nothing stopping them from including themselves if they were to not blatantly look down on us.

Moonlight Butterfly:

Smilomaniac:
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AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

longboardfan:
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How are these things hurting the gaming industry exactly, by making them a more inclusive and less sexist place?

How dare you push you way into a female space like My Little Pony and start making demands that the characters conform more to your male ideals! Yeah see how ridiculous that sounds?

Gaming doesn't belong to men any more than books or film so stop acting like we are some sort of new found plague when a lot of us have been gaming for 25 years or more okay?

We aren't interested in geeky stuff because of YOU we are interested because we enjoy it. Wanting to make changes and fighting for those changes just means we care about the medium.

As males generally don't go in and demand the environment change to suit their needs or wants, I can't say for sure what you are referring to in regards to liking My Little Pony. I dare say your misunderstanding and misrepresentation of MLP fans and why guys like the show is endemic to your complete and total failure to understand the show's premise, production values, good writing, and a generally good and positive message.

These fake women exist to make money while being perceived as something they are not in order to make "arguments from authority. These logical fallacies hurt everyone as they use said "geek cred" to get interviews with production companies who use these fake peoples' words and arguments to base their own choices and products off of. This is how it hurts the industry.

But go ahead, and blame and mis-characterise men who like MLP for all your problems. Its something I've gotten used to, and quite frankly I'd rather wear said fandom like a badge, than let you ruin it for everyone else.

Damn it Jim, I am offended at the idea that you think 'nerd girls' should be able to get away with spending less than 40 hours a week playing Counterstrike.

This is almost as great a scourge as the nice, and probably pretty chilly, nudist women in those human reproductive documentaries (I believe some philistines call them 'pornography') who find human semen to be less than the most delicious fluid on the planet even though they don't actually make the ick face when it's in their mouth while they're on camera.

For shame!

Also, that may have been the greatest intro scene you have ever done [/thislastsentenceistheonlypartofthispostthatwasnotsarcasm]

Moonlight Butterfly:

Smilomaniac:

Moonlight Butterfly:

AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

This is why we can't have nice things :)
Well then, feel free to feed the trolls and let's see how much better it'll progress, shall we?

I'm just kind of disappointed with the general direction of this thread, it's depressing.

As a man, I find this thread embarrassing to a degree. People can like, or pretend to like whatever they want, it doesn't harm anyone so why is it an issue to some... I don't know.

All I do know is, it is embarrassing for someone who pretends when they get called out on it in certain ways, which in the end makes that embarrassment their own fault. But this isn't a gender specific issue, it is just thought to be one because like Jim said, no one questions a guy on these things. I know people of both gender that do it to a degree, and I don't care.

longboardfan:
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I actually watch MLP:FIM and I'm a big fan. I just ordered a load of stickers from redbubble to put on my PC case... I wasn't knocking the show at all. My point was that it has always been a traditionally female thing and yet men don't suffer any spite at the hands of women for it. In fact it's mostly men who berate them for it.

I have more 'geek cred' in my little finger than a lot of guys I meet have in their whole body and yet I'm the one greeted with suspicion and told tits or gtfo. I honestly like comics, cartoons and games. In fact I just paused Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes to write this post.

I'm tired of people telling me I can't possibly like something because I have ovaries, and yeah it would be nice to see my sex treated with a tad more respect within the gaming industry. So sorry if I'm going to point out when a character is unessercarily half naked and sexualised because it bothers me as much as it would a lot of guys if a game was full of thrusting oiled up chippendales. I mean just look at the reaction to Anders.

btw Pinkie Pie is best pony.

This is demeaning to both men and women.

It's the thought that women are so fake and duplicitous that they will go out of their way to trick unsuspecting men, that "pretty" is incompatible with "smart," "nerdy," or whatever, and that they live on attention so much and are so desperate to toy with people's brains to get it, that they'll lie through their teeth for it.

It's also the thought that nerdy men are so alone and so incapable of finding love that they will jump around like puppies and be lovestruck into stupidity when something with boobs walks by, that they have no real standards and are just looking to get laid because they're sad, needy failures at social life.

Frankly, the whole thing is just ridiculous.

getoffmycloud:
The only issue I can think off is these people is they do exist are likely to be the same kind of people who 10 years ago would have bullied someone for liking games so I can see the problem there.

Not really sure what the problem is in that case either. Someone can't change in a decade?

Ashoten:
A lot of male nerds have toiled to establish the nerd culture(just as you said) specifically or indirectly because they didn't have female companionship to distract them.

Yeah, well those guys were doing it wrong. Nobody should be making any effort to establish "nerd culture" - it's just something that happened, a historical artefact. There's no reason to actively cultivate such a thing.

My girl is a cute gamer chick and she is legit. Rage sex after she kicks my a$$ in SC5 is great! Awesome show Jim.

Taunta:

Because the original post was portrayed as one. Read between the lines.
"She said she liked video games and could only name one console."(In a list of "fake gamer girls", so we already know the conclusion to this story)
"She said she liked video games" (so I asked her about consoles) "And she could only name one console" (therefore she "failed the test" and I determined her "fake", because we already know I determined her "fake" when the story began)

Also, again, last time I checked, knowledge about the source material is not required for buying a t-shirt that you think is cute. Just because someone doesn't know about Pokemon doesn't mean you can't still talk to them about Pokemon. Maybe it means they're interested in Pokemon but never really had a chance to get into it. This is your chance to teach them about Pokemon, but instead you (or the OP) choose to reject them. That doesn't make them very likely to try to get into Pokemon again.

And the point is not about "people who get disappointed when someone is not as interested in something as you are". It's about "people who set arbitrary rules for (specifically) women to prove themselves worthy enough to join their arbitrary club".

I never said every attempt at conversation was a pop quiz, thanks for putting words in my mouth. But the examples in the OP were quizzes.

If I can't put words in your mouth, you can't put words in his. For all you know the conversations went:

her: "FUCK, I love vidya games."
him: "No way, me too! What console do you play on?"
her: "The hell is a console? I only play on PS3."
him: "areyoufuckingkiddingme dot jaypeg"
her: "What"
him: "N-nothing."

As for knowing the source material to buy a shirt, it brings to mind Dave Challelle's "whore's uniform" joke. You know the one. If you see someone dressed as Pikachu, it is reasonable to conclude that they know what Pikachu is and where it's from. Sure it's possible they don't, but understanding the implications saves everyone time. I'm curious about how you don't get the chance to get into pokemon. I googled "pokemon" and got "About 242,000,000 results." I'm sure one of those could help the average newcomer to any fandom.

Also, I want to know where the data is that this only happens to women. I've seen it happen to men, but then it's perceived as dick measuring, not misandry. I don't see any evidence that it's people setting rules instead of people trying to discuss their interests and accidentally discovering that the other person isn't actually interested in it.

Jimothy Sterling:
It's a predominantly suited, rich, male few who run the industry, as I said at the end, and if you should be mad at anybody for being patronized, it ought to be them.

Look who's pulling the strings if you're sick of being treated like a puppet.

This statement you made, Jim - you realize it can be applied to pretty much every industry and institution in the world and still be wholly accurate?

Though, in some instances, I tend to take Don Carlione's advice, "Follow the money." Then, I make my judgments and accusations.

"Like the evangelical christian who thinks atheists and Muslims spend every minute of their waking days dreaming of ways to re-kill Jesus."

Hmm, yes, it is like that, like the atheist who thinks evangelical Christians spend every minute of their waking days obsessing over what Atheists and Muslims think.

The irony of this is off the scale, but then, Christians are politically safe mock.

I bet is was a s*** eating fake nerd girl that canceled Firefly...because I've run out of people to blame.

Anyway, was there an update to the proposal? Should have had Cruelim Defoe ask. If she said no, at least it would have been bizarre and funny.

Fraudulence always angers people.

Although Sexy women exploiting sad lonely men, isn't something new. Just this time around they are doing so the nerd/geek community. So happens we'd like to call them out on it.

Though, i don't find it particularly bad if some sexy lady wants to show cleavage on her stream, be it a real gamer or not. They are simply eye candy, you treat them as such.

I dont hate them, just find it uncomfortable when you attempt to chat one up, only to learn that they know nothing about the shirt their wearing. As in its a Mario shirt, yet they have no idea who Peach is.

WAIT, WHAT?
There are girls to pretend to be nerds?
Especially gaming nerds?
WHY?
We mostly are dungeon dwelling solitary morlocs who:
bathe only because smell starts to bother neighbors
have unhealthy skin color because of regular all nighters and going outside rarely
have waistline powered by snacks and softdrinks
have atrophied muscles (except hands- those can crush bricks)
looking as unappealing for opposite gender as possible
wears strange and often dirty clothes
not to mention social skills lower than concrete
[disclaimer for those who like to nitpick: that was stereotypical exaggeration for proving point]

WHY IN THE HELL ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO PRETEND TO BE SOMEONE LIKE THAT???
Are they are insane? Or stupid? Or stupinsane?
Man, this world is getting more and more crazy :/

longboardfan:

Moonlight Butterfly:

Smilomaniac:
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AHAHAHAHA.

So you are okay with every single other gender related post in this thread but mine that is somehow magically not okay? Seems Legit.

longboardfan:
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How are these things hurting the gaming industry exactly, by making them a more inclusive and less sexist place?

How dare you push you way into a female space like My Little Pony and start making demands that the characters conform more to your male ideals! Yeah see how ridiculous that sounds?

Gaming doesn't belong to men any more than books or film so stop acting like we are some sort of new found plague when a lot of us have been gaming for 25 years or more okay?

We aren't interested in geeky stuff because of YOU we are interested because we enjoy it. Wanting to make changes and fighting for those changes just means we care about the medium.

As males generally don't go in and demand the environment change to suit their needs or wants

You just demanded that all women Shut up about "what they want in games", or get out in your last post.
Also, to what you said about Bronies not trying to change MLP. As a male fan of MLP, all I have to say to that is: Derpy Hooves.

There have always been men and women in games. We have to stop this whole boys club crap, and this bull about ":( women are changing games" because it isn't good for anyone and it's just pathetic.

The "plague" on gaming isn't from girls liking games, or girls pretending to like games.
The plague on gaming, is made of people who don't want games to change(at all or ever), and don't want EVERYONE to play games.
As Jim said, the "Fake Nerd Girls" are not hurting anyone. People making it more difficult for ANYONE to get into games are doing damage to the community. In fact, I'd say the things you listed as "women's fault", (for example: The sexism bans for X-box), are far more the fault of those kinds of people rather than women who want to play games. For it to be women's fault, they would have to be the onky ones who were offended by the comments. That isn't so.

Again, it's pathetic, and it needs to end. Games don't belong to men, or anyone. They are for Everyone.

:/ Unless you have a seizure problem, but even then you can find a game that isn't so, "flashy".

DoPo:
As much as I thank God for Jim, I feel this video was just propaganda to push an incredibly biased opinion. Here is the real truth - the truth Jim is trying to hide!

Oh my God. That is priceless. Now every time I read another sad, sorry defense of excluding people from our hobby (plenty of them floating around on this very thread), I'll think of the almighty "Nerd Council" unanimously declaring that women ruined their respective hobbies, and how ridiculous and irrational it is.

I'm frustrated with ANYONE that promotes themselves as something they are not. But hey, it's awesome that it's cool to be a nerd now. Hopefully my kids won't get beat up or harassed for it in school like I was.

most people are fake to some degree in that they might pretend more knowledge or nerdiness than they truly have as such fake nerd girls are fine with me since they probably have some nerd quality even if its just cosplay. What gets me though are the obvious fakes such as the girls that have pictures taken holding the controller or screw driver wrong or have the wrong game on the screen than whats in the console but thats more the photographers fault than the girls.

I think the problem is not so much with guys hating the hot girls, it's more to with that people hate being led on. (not just gamers, I'm talking about everyone). Every time I see a booth babe or an attractive women in a game advert I can't help but think of a board of advertising executives saying "Hey, you know what those nerds don't get much of? Sex with hot chicks! If we fill this advert full of latex clad nuns with assault rifles then those dumb nerds will surely buy our game!!!" Pretty much most male gamers above the age of 18 (and in some cases younger) can see right through this and tell what's going on. It's blatant pandering to the sex starved nerd stereotype and an insult to anyone who plays games because they genuinely enjoy them. In a culture so willing to exploit our supposed lack of sex I guess it's only natural that some guys feel skeptical when a woman claims she actually has an interest.

Personally i think these are just growing pains. As gaming slowly turns from a niche market into a mainstream form of entertainment it's natural that more women (including the hot ones) take an interest. Give it a few years and this probably won't be an issue anymore.

I actually disagree due to reasons beyond gaming, comics, general "geek culture" etc and beyond genders.

I simply don't like fake people. Posers, wannabes, whatever you call them are people who think little of a topic and thus those involved if they think it's justifiable to outright lie (and considered it achievable) to manipulate others for their own means.

I don't know anything about sport so I don't pretend to for attention.

"Fake Nerd Girl" as a concept seems to be an issue created and named individually and so the points raised by Jim are valid in this regard.

I personally think there is no "Fake Nerd Girl" issue, it's just a part of shallow liars that have always existed and now it's our turn.

That part at the end was just amazing, good job! XD

But I think you may have misinterpreted why some people might be put off by super models trying to sell games to them, and it doesn't have anything to do with who is and isn't hard core enough to be in our little club. Of course people are a little suspicious of seeing a beautiful person trying to sell them ANY product, why wouldn't they be? It has nothing to do with gaming, girls or gaming girls at all. It's more like "Wait... whats that company trying to pull now that they've resorted to this". People question the legitimacy of anyone trying to sell them something when it's clear the spokesperson is being paid to be there because they are pretty. You can't really blame anyone for that suspicion, either. In the US they constantly warp advertising with pretty faces, and it's usually to get you to stop focusing on something they don't want you to realize (which screams deception). Like, for example, what beer actually does to you. Hint: an epic party full of super models doesn't magically appear when you open the can, regardless of what the commercials might subconsciously lead to you believe. No, the more likely case is your head will probably be in the toilet the next morning, all by your lonesome. The commercials don't show that part, and they will do everything in their power to make sure you don't think about it, even if it means filming the commercial at the Playboy Mansion on a weekend.

Why game girls are offending?

Okay since you didn't do any research doing this video I shall attempt to explain why they are so offensive, now first off let me state I love that women are getting into video games and I think that's a great thing.

Let me start of by saying being a gamer/nerd hasn't always been easy as you stated in your video you could get beat up in school for saying that and as such I have had my fare share myself defending my position as a proud gamer while others didn't even dare said they played games. Now that's many years ago but I still have the memories and this is why it pisses me so much off when a dumb broad comes along says she is gamer, and instantly getting attention, not by gamers but by others looking the gamer culture. She didn't do any of the hardship she didn't do shit, and she makes us all look like douches.

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