Zero Punctuation: Halo 4

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YodaUnleashed:

Then again, he's rarely interested in the multiplayer aspects of any game which whilst understandable when multiplayer has been poorly tacked on as a way to tick a box, when it's as integral to the overall game and as large an aspect of it like it is in Halo, then its clear Yahtzee doesn't care too much for 'the whole is greater than the sum of its parts' approach and philosophy. So as entertaining as Yahtzee is and as valid and justified as many of his criticisms are, at a fundamental level, I disagree with his reviewing approach and prefer a review that deals with the whole thing, not just one aspect of it.

I've had friends drag me into multi-player for various games I didn't enjoy playing single player... and I've yet to have it work out, especially for a shooter where the enjoyment of using weapons is a big thing. If I don't enjoy shooting a shotgun in single player, then there's fuck-all chance of me enjoying shooting the same shotgun in multi-player.

There's a lot of elements that cross over between the two modes. If you don't like how the weapons look/feel, and you don't like how the character moves, and you're not impressed by the basic look of the game (all of these are basic criticisms from Yahtzee), then what do you think are the odds that he's suddenly going to be impressed by all this when playing against live opponents?

Halo 4 is a Gay African Mammoth
-Yahtzee Croshaw

Whenever anyone asks me about the quality of Halo 4, I will repeat that.

Great review as always and I get the complaints, but I'll never stop loving this family of Gay African Mammoths.

They may represent an evolutionary dead end, but I'll be damned if it isn't a fabulous evolutionary dead end.

Given how he mentioned bloom in a few Halo reviews, I'd love to see what he thinks of Hitman Absolution... once his eyes adjust to the glare!

Thomas Barnsley:
i think you really need to have started halo at a young age to fully appreciate it.

That's... actually a bad way to put it. At a young age, tolerance for bad stuff is really low, so one can fall in love with pretty much anything. I doubt I would remember He-Man so fondly if I hadn't watched it at a young age. Nostalgia rarely works based on how good something was, but more on what that particular product reminds you of your childhood.

Not hating on Halo, BTW. It's far more inoffensive and organic compared to the spunkgargleweewee games.

am i the only one surprised that anyone still pays any damn attention to these games? why even review it? it's not like there's going to be anything special or new about these games.

Balkan:

Marik Bentusi:

Balkan:
Another example of Yahtzee neither hateing nor liking a game . The result is always a boring review, sorry dude .You should have reviewed Epic Mickey 2 or something.

With a game like Halo 4 I'd say there's a high chance it was simply expected of him - by fans or the Escapist. It's not like those times where he does a retro review or two indie titles that drew his eyes.

My favourite ZPs are when he hates the game like when he reviewed wolfenstein or darksiders .

Nah they're usually around 6 to 8 hours, so 10 is them being...generous, I suppose.

there ssomthing about that image of master chef on the computer and mini cortana just lying on the floor a few feet away thats the funniest thing Ive ever seen

that or mini cortana humping the other guy

Thomas Barnsley:
i think you really need to have started halo at a young age to fully appreciate it. i think Yahtzee just doesn't understand it for that reason, starting off in halo 3. 1 and 2 were the best anyway.
the thing i personally disliked about halo 4 was the lack of signature halo music. thats what made the series for me. my favourite cut-scene was when it played some of the original music.

ha....no

I would actually like to play halo if I had an xbox or they didn;t drop releasing them on PC alltogether, sadly much like gears it just wasnt meant to be

and yahtzee admitting to liking a game is as rare as unicorns...got nothing to do with "getting" it

wombat_of_war:
first of all . There are halo books?

Yes, there are. Just as there are video games and books for Star Wars, books and comics for Mass Effect, ect.
That thing is called "Expanded Universe".
There are even a few Anime-shortfilms (Halo Legends).

wombat_of_war:
secondly it is bad writing that people have to pretty much read the books to get what the hell is going on

No, you don't. Those books are not that important and deliver addional background content - and sometimes even conflict with the events of the game. Usually the case if the books were written before the games covered these events. But it is simply said that for canon continuity, it is: new games > old games > new non-game > old non-game. Best example might be "The Fall of Reach", which is basically "Halo: Reach - the book", which came out a few years before "Halo: Reach".

Fail-o Snore actually did make me laugh. Great review - I am getting this game for Christmas however reviews from people that aren't websites have certainly lowered my expectations!

I needed about four more minutes of that. Just as I was laughing my ass off it stopped. I've played about two levels of Halo 4 and I will go back to it, but it was obviously inferior to the others, yet still better than 90% of the stuff out there. Well... maybe 80%.

mjc0961:

Balkan:
Another example of Yahtzee neither hateing nor liking a game . The result is always a boring review, sorry dude .You should have reviewed Epic Mickey 2 or something.

Yes, he should review a game that at most came out 3 days ago (Wii U) or at least came out 1 day ago (every other system).

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/3540-Hunted-The-Demons-Forge

Watch the first minute, you might learn something.

Wow, excuse me for not following the release dates for game I don't give a shit about on a continent I don't live .Also my "Has watched every ZP" badge should have turned you down on recomending me an year old ZP . You are blaming me for not knowing all the facts while talking out of your ass .

Strain42:
I like that Yahtzee is actually committing to spunkgargleweewe.

As someone who never really got into Halo, I can't say much about this, but I do like that Yahtzee seems to prefer games like Halo over games like CoD or Battlefield...even if it's just by a little bit.

I disagree, Half-Life was the first to use setpieces, but CoD is what popularized them, and in general these games seem to aping CoD more (regen-health as opposed to having very linear levels filled with large amounts of secret areas, much more scripted, Valve tend to use scripted sequences more sparingly), shitty ripoffs, I do blame CoD for not being much better than said ripoffs though.

I always find Zero Punctuation videos of FPS games incredibly boring.

If they are like COD or similar then they are "Boring grey/brown mediocre shooters."
If they are like Halo or similar then they are "Boring brightly coloured mediocre shooters."
If they try and be something else then they are "Boring pretentious mediocre shooters."

Casual Shinji:
I'm always bewildered how Cortana gets more unnecessarily sexy and voluptuous each installment.

Does she have like special firmware updates?

She got a reboot from "Team Ninja".

OP: Meh. Never much a fan of Halo. Will probably have to play a few times at a friend's house as that is what he will want to play for a few months. Pretty much more of the same I see...

Again, meh...

Legion:
I always find Zero Punctuation videos of FPS games incredibly boring.

Stale genre = boring review [/opinion]

So it's not bad enough for spunkgargleweewee but it's not good enough for shooter. Hmmm.... Spunkshooterweeshoot?

So it's not bad enough for spunkgargleweewee but it's not good enough for shooter. Hmmm.... Spunkshooterweeshoot?

It's worth the trip out to IKEA just for the meatballs *sooo Goood*

-M

While I agree with mostly everything he said, the multiplayer levels are NOT just campaign levels twisted a bit to be new. Some are, yes, but most are brand new, separate from the campaign.

Not see, I do have to question Yahtzee's unabashed boner for Half-Life 2, and his nigh ambivalence towards Halo. They're not as far removed as their respective fanboys would like to think.

There's also the issue that fans of the series have been gotten Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3 ODST, Halo: Reach, Halo CEA, and Halo 4, all in the time its taken another certain developer to count to three.

I guess my point is, different strokes for different folks.

I don't think Master Chief talks enough to secretly be Bill Clinton. Also, yay for the Eddie Izzard shout-out! That man is hilarious. :)

SnakeCL:
Not see, I do have to question Yahtzee's unabashed boner for Half-Life 2, and his nigh ambivalence towards Halo. They're not as far removed as their respective fanboys would like to think.

They two pretty different tones. Half-Life 2 has a tendency toward horror, even if it's simply a car drive through the sunny remains of civilization. It's the sense that life has taken a wrong turn here and you're exploring a world that shouldn't be. It's about seeing a familiar world transformed into something slightly alien, making it all just slightly creepy and unsettling.

Halo veers more toward jingoistic military action movie. You're in a sci-fi world where the most horrifying thing is a bunch of exploding aliens that charge you from every direction and makes those levels suck. ODST seems to be the one game that really attempts to match the moody horror of HL2 as you explore a deserted city, but largely the series occupies the space Michael Bay has claimed as his own in movies: military porn.

But take a good hard look at the games he likes and dislikes. How many of his favorite games are moody horror games? How many of his most hated games are jingoistic military shooters? And the ones he does like tend to be the ones that undercut the military cliches by turning your indestructible U.S. marine into a walking radiation fatality or the ones forcing you to deal with the horrors you've unleashed. There's not a whole lot of moral ambiguity in Halo. The humans are all undeniably good, the aliens are mostly undeniably bad (save for the ones in Halo 2 which don't bother to suit up for future games), and it's your job to kill as many of the non-humans as you possibly can without the slightest hint that this diminishes your humanity.

Yes, I know there's plenty of people who like to go on about the rich lore of the Halo Universe, and I'll take your word that the Extended Universe is a magical land of brilliant science fiction, but the actual games have so very little of that. It's quite a lot of go here, blow this shit up, and excuse my stiffy as I watch these helicopters fly off into the horizon while the music soars.

SnakeCL:
Not see, I do have to question Yahtzee's unabashed boner for Half-Life 2, and his nigh ambivalence towards Halo. They're not as far removed as their respective fanboys would like to think.

There's also the issue that fans of the series have been gotten Halo 3, Halo Wars, Halo 3 ODST, Halo: Reach, Halo CEA, and Halo 4, all in the time its taken another certain developer to count to three.

I guess my point is, different strokes for different folks.

Well you can generalize pretty much everything. But the details make or break the games. Frankly I can't imagine how you could compare the two. Tone, gameplay, guns and focus are all different.

BTW It was a cheap shoot to mention the third instalmant. Not cool sir.

Always loved Halo; however, having experienced Rage, I am...reluctant...to blow so much money on half a single-player experience AGAIN.
Damnit...

Sidenote: I saw Eddie Izzard in The Secret Agent (1996) today.
I almost exclaimed "EDDIE?!?" in sheer disbelief that he was a) in this movie and b) not on the DVD cover.
Guess who played the would-be suicide bomber/bomb maker?
If you would have guessed Robin Williams there is something wrong with your head but you wouldn't BE wrong.
This utterly bizzare casting choice was also not announced on the cover sheet, so imagine my surprise when the most deadly man in the movie turns out to be Patch Adams.
Imagine that for the big reveal in Halo VI: Master Chief's helmet comes of for the first time and BOOYAH it is the face of Jerry from accounting.

Netrigan:
They two pretty different tones. Half-Life 2 has a tendency toward horror, even if it's simply a car drive through the sunny remains of civilization. It's the sense that life has taken a wrong turn here and you're exploring a world that shouldn't be. It's about seeing a familiar world transformed into something slightly alien, making it all just slightly creepy and unsettling.

Aside from the "bash you over the head HORRROOOOOR of Ravenholm" I personally don't consider much in Half-Life 2 horror. I wouldn't consider Planet of the Apes horror, but it uses many of the same ideas of HL2.

Halo veers more toward jingoistic military action movie. You're in a sci-fi world where the most horrifying thing is a bunch of exploding aliens that charge you from every direction and makes those levels suck. ODST seems to be the one game that really attempts to match the moody horror of HL2 as you explore a deserted city, but largely the series occupies the space Michael Bay has claimed as his own in movies: military porn.

Now see, that's where I disagree. There's this propensity for people to generalize Halo into "military shooter" without actually taking into account much of the nuanced story that goes with it. Heck, for most of the games, humanity is on the losing side of this conflict, getting beaten back planet by planet, entire population centers being lost.

But take a good hard look at the games he likes and dislikes. How many of his favorite games are moody horror games? How many of his most hated games are jingoistic military shooters? And the ones he does like tend to be the ones that undercut the military cliches by turning your indestructible U.S. marine into a walking radiation fatality or the ones forcing you to deal with the horrors you've unleashed. There's not a whole lot of moral ambiguity in Halo. The humans are all undeniably good, the aliens are mostly undeniably bad (save for the ones in Halo 2 which don't bother to suit up for future games), and it's your job to kill as many of the non-humans as you possibly can without the slightest hint that this diminishes your humanity.

"The humans are good, except the ones who are bad (and tried for warcrimes) and the aliens are bad, except the ones living on earth that are good, and the big one who is trying to kill humans which is bad, except for his wife which is trying to save humans which is good..." I think there's more ambiguity in Halo than you're willing to give credit for.

Yes, I know there's plenty of people who like to go on about the rich lore of the Halo Universe, and I'll take your word that the Extended Universe is a magical land of brilliant science fiction, but the actual games have so very little of that. It's quite a lot of go here, blow this shit up, and excuse my stiffy as I watch these helicopters fly off into the horizon while the music soars.

I almost wonder if you've ever actually played a Halo game (or at least a game since CE), because it sounds thoroughly like you're talking from your arse. Heck, there's a LOT of lore within the games themselves, but it seems people don't want to acknowledge it in favor of an easy reason to dump on the franchise.

And I'm not exactly biased. I hated Halo with a passion, until I played Reach, and realized how much deeper the universe and games were than I originally believed.

They're both fun FPS games, but this idea that Half-Life is some intellectual golden child of gaming, and Halo is "just some scifi military shooter" is just plain wrong. They're both fun games, and great experiences to play,

SnakeCL:

Now see, that's where I disagree. There's this propensity for people to generalize Halo into "military shooter" without actually taking into account much of the nuanced story that goes with it. Heck, for most of the games, humanity is on the losing side of this conflict, getting beaten back planet by planet, entire population centers being lost.

"The humans are good, except the ones who are bad (and tried for warcrimes) and the aliens are bad, except the ones living on earth that are good, and the big one who is trying to kill humans which is bad, except for his wife which is trying to save humans which is good..." I think there's more ambiguity in Halo than you're willing to give credit for.

I almost wonder if you've ever actually played a Halo game (or at least a game since CE), because it sounds thoroughly like you're talking from your arse. Heck, there's a LOT of lore within the games themselves, but it seems people don't want to acknowledge it in favor of an easy reason to dump on the franchise.

And I'm not exactly biased. I hated Halo with a passion, until I played Reach, and realized how much deeper the universe and games were than I originally believed.

They're both fun FPS games, but this idea that Half-Life is some intellectual golden child of gaming, and Halo is "just some scifi military shooter" is just plain wrong. They're both fun games, and great experiences to play,

I played Combat Evolved and Reach... unless there was a bunch of stuff hidden away in collectibles, it was basically moving me from one objective to the next, not unlike the Call of Duty games do. The great bulk of the characters being stock military cliches, not unlike the Call of Duty games.

In Reach, I'm plopped down on a planet with some ill-defined "rebel activity", of which there is no real explanation or follow-through, because almost immediately I discover a Covenant massacre and spend the rest of the game hopping from one military objective to the next. Defend this, attack that, the hope of humanity must escape. I struggle to remember one thing any of my fellow Spartans said that wasn't mission related.

It's effective at what it does, but, quite frankly, I learn more about the Gears of War cogs in any given game than I learned about any character in either of the two games I played. There's an odd pathos to a character like Cole-Train, someone who is more than just a soldier carrying a gun, a guy with hopes and dreams. And I don't even like the douche-nozzle.

And HL2's reputation as intellectual masterpiece is beyond over-blown. The game is as shallow as a puddle and the plot is little more than a series of overly complicated objectives, but there's a decent amount of depth to characters. I haven't played the game in forever (and only once), but I can still remember quite a number of characters. I played Reach last year and can only remember "bitchy scientist".

Vigormortis:

Casual Shinji:
I'm always bewildered how Cortana gets more unnecessarily sexy and voluptuous each installment.

Does she have like special firmware updates?

I guess you could say they implanted new bits of code.

They certainly increased her mammaries capacity.

Could someone explain the "gay African mammoth" line? Something about that line felt a little off.

Dear Mr. Ben Croshaw, is it too much to ask for you to NOT talk about dicks and balls and ass, when reviewing a game? It's not funny anymore. It wasn't funny for years. It's not even shocking anymore, it's just gross.

To anyone else, can you please send this to Mr. Ben Croshaw.

Yahtzee, you should have probably played the multiplayer before mentioning it in your review.

Both multiplayer modes were built to have their own, and take place several months after the story of Halo 4. NONE of the multiplayer maps appear as single player maps, and vice-versa. In fact, they kind of explain that in the intro to multiplayer. Your on a ship, roaming the galaxy because humanity got sick of aliens taking a dump on earth. The multiplayer sessions are virtual training excercises, on new terrains. Although some maps are recycled throughout the Spartan Ops and Multiplayer, the same is not true for single player.

I can handle if a reviewer doesn't like a game, and a lot of the points you levied against Halo 4 are fairly accurate. The fact that a badguy shows up, never says anything, and EVERYONE knows who he is got on my nerves to no end. And the story was boring, even for Halo's standards. But the last part of your review doesn't add up with the rest, because, frankly, its a lie. I can understand you don't like multiplayer, but just say you didn't play the multiplayer. Don't assume that because the other games did, this one did too. The other games weren't even that bad when it came down to copying maps.

There was a lot of story elements not explained well, it was very short, and I'll agree whith a few things he said. but as for gameplay I find it difficult to take him seriously after he said normal was difficult, normal difficulty was a joke it was that easy, heroic was even a bit on the easy side. it sounds like you just suck at halo if your having trouble with normal, and thats may be why you hated it gameplay.

Additionally if your getting confused yahtzee from playing the fourth game in a franchise without playing the first two than you really only have yourself to blame, playing halo 3 without the first two would be like watching lord of the rings 3 (return of the king) without watching the first two, off course your not going to care about any of the charachters if you skipped half the franchise in a moderately based story game.

Netrigan:

SnakeCL:

Now see, that's where I disagree. There's this propensity for people to generalize Halo into "military shooter" without actually taking into account much of the nuanced story that goes with it. Heck, for most of the games, humanity is on the losing side of this conflict, getting beaten back planet by planet, entire population centers being lost.

"The humans are good, except the ones who are bad (and tried for warcrimes) and the aliens are bad, except the ones living on earth that are good, and the big one who is trying to kill humans which is bad, except for his wife which is trying to save humans which is good..." I think there's more ambiguity in Halo than you're willing to give credit for.

I almost wonder if you've ever actually played a Halo game (or at least a game since CE), because it sounds thoroughly like you're talking from your arse. Heck, there's a LOT of lore within the games themselves, but it seems people don't want to acknowledge it in favor of an easy reason to dump on the franchise.

And I'm not exactly biased. I hated Halo with a passion, until I played Reach, and realized how much deeper the universe and games were than I originally believed.

They're both fun FPS games, but this idea that Half-Life is some intellectual golden child of gaming, and Halo is "just some scifi military shooter" is just plain wrong. They're both fun games, and great experiences to play,

I played Combat Evolved and Reach... unless there was a bunch of stuff hidden away in collectibles, it was basically moving me from one objective to the next, not unlike the Call of Duty games do. The great bulk of the characters being stock military cliches, not unlike the Call of Duty games.

In Reach, I'm plopped down on a planet with some ill-defined "rebel activity", of which there is no real explanation or follow-through, because almost immediately I discover a Covenant massacre and spend the rest of the game hopping from one military objective to the next. Defend this, attack that, the hope of humanity must escape. I struggle to remember one thing any of my fellow Spartans said that wasn't mission related.

It's effective at what it does, but, quite frankly, I learn more about the Gears of War cogs in any given game than I learned about any character in either of the two games I played. There's an odd pathos to a character like Cole-Train, someone who is more than just a soldier carrying a gun, a guy with hopes and dreams. And I don't even like the douche-nozzle.

And HL2's reputation as intellectual masterpiece is beyond over-blown. The game is as shallow as a puddle and the plot is little more than a series of overly complicated objectives, but there's a decent amount of depth to characters. I haven't played the game in forever (and only once), but I can still remember quite a number of characters. I played Reach last year and can only remember "bitchy scientist".

Try playing halo 2, that really mixed things up with the whole covenant religion thing, something which most people seemed to have missed, or atleast watch the opening cutscene for halo 2

Isn't it ironic, how Halo fell out of fashion and suddenly fanboys realize how shit the game was in the first place, after a full decade that pc gamers tried to tell them so?

xdiesp:
Isn't it ironic, how Halo fell out of fashion and suddenly fanboys realize how shit the game was in the first place, after a full decade that pc gamers tried to tell them so?

What? Did Bungie kill your parents or something?

The amount of hate being hurled towards Halo in this thread is baffling, its just a decent shooter game and the last remaining triple A arena shooter on the market. I really don't understand how anyone can muster up enough bile to attack such a meh game. It hasn't set any bad precedent or anything. What gives?

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