Fake Geek Girls

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Irridium:

DVS BSTrD:
Sure but can you name all the characters the girls are cosplaying as?

I can't. I can only recognize Catwoman. And I only know that because of the Arkham games. Yeah, I've never read a Batman comic. Or any comic. At all. Ever. Because I don't care. But I enjoy the games, movie, and the 90's Batman cartoon. And not just Batman, but other cartoons, games, and movies based on the characters.

And apparently I'm assumed to just "know" all this stuff. Lol, it's so easy to fool you guys. Hell, it's WAY easier for me, a guy, to fake all this, since nobody questions you if you are a guy! It's pretty great.

And I'm not the only one, oh no-no-no. There's lots of us. We are everywhere. On your forums, at your cons. We are in every part of every fandom, and you don't suspect a thing.

And yes, I referenced the Joker. Without ever reading a Batman comic. All I know about him is from that cartoon.

Sleep tight.

we don't really care if you don't know the comic, just when we have our conversations don't expect us to explain to you the series of robins or batman's badass murderous son.
just don't go around promoting batman as the best super hero ever, we just don't like those guys, because that statement to even be made kinda means you actually know anything about batman besides " i saw this cartoon and movie once".

Didn't it turn out that Ben Reilly was the real Peter Parker and the person who we always thought was Peter Parker was the clone? So I'm going with Peter Parker

Andrew_C:

Mike Fang:
M'kay, scanned the article that was linked to in the dialogue underneath the comic. I think both Harris and Faraci have legit points...and both where they're acting like idiots. First, Harris; it is true, some of these ladies are just looking for attention because they like toying with people. Women like that are bitches because they're treating the men in a given fan community in a way very similar, if not identical, to the way some men treat women as nothing more than meat; both are using the opposite gender to get what they want with no concern for other people's feelings.

It's a pity that your first paragraph is batshit insane, because you actually make a few half decent points in the rest of your post.

Do you really believe there is a cabal of women (or worse... wymmyn!) out there who deliberately go to conventions to torment and seduce pure innocent male geeks, contaminate their precious bodily fluids and steal their virginity to fuel their soulless undead feminazi existences?

there are lots of people who due worthless things to hurt people
in this person defense

remember 4chan is a website full of that, hell you could do it to minorities with little to no punishment until around the 60's in the USA, hell you can still do in now in some places, like Arizona

all i am saying is, there are people with capacity to do stuff like this
regardless of gender

Mikkaddo:

That's a common thing though Cory, I mean honestly I doubt George Lucas would have predicted an entire religion in THIS world would spring up from the Star Wars movies.

Consumers always put more thought into the products and media they consume than those who make them, especially now as people are assuming everything has hidden meanings. I do it myself, we try to find something else beneath the surface even in the most bizzarre places. I guarantee if you were to be with myself and my friends any given night that we are together we're arguing about the bigger moral meaning of Tyler Durden creating a male split personality that cares more about women than he does, or the eventual karmatic concequences of the Jedi having copied their lightsabers off of old Rakkatan Technology that was so deeply based in the Dark Side that use of one could end up killing it's weilder.

Hell, I've spent hours arguing with people online and in person about the weight of Leto Atredies II's "golden path" and whether or not it actually helped.

Most of that is essentially pointless when you consider that Star Wars was originally intended as a sort of sci-fi soap opera, being all about the people and less about the larger universe it takes place in, that Fight Club was a man writting a book to tell people to not be sheep and essentially nothing else, and that Dune was actually more about the domineering human spirit rather than anything akin to despotic dictatorships versus peaceful republics.

We love the media we consume however, and thus we look for more meaning than it may actually be intended to have.

I don't know if I agree that consumers ALWAYS put more thought into the products they consume(creators know how to make them some layers too), but I kinda agree about it in this instance. We've dealt with this topic before and this time I don't think Grey intended to push past any topics as much as he wanted to do a silly tangential joke. The brony strip dealt more with objectification whereas this strip was more of a joke on the concept of fake geeks infiltrating geek culture, and the relativity of geek culture.

The beauty of creating something is in the limitless interpretations that can spring forth based on the individuals and how they experience that something. It's probably the reason we're all even on this site.

but srsly, look at panel 1, dat background, dem clouds... I'm just really happy with how the strip came out.

DVS BSTrD:
Sure but can you name all the characters the girls are cosplaying as?
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Mai Shiranui, a bad copy of Catherine and Catwoman.

Between this and Jim I feel I've missed a whole "thing" here. Weren't women faking it for years at game expos? I posted elsewhere that i got where some of the resentment might hypothetically come from, but this is reminding me a lot of what it was like when I was a kid and goth wasn't "goth" until it became popular. I didn't care then, I did my thing anyway, and I outgrew it and moved on.

I guess where I lose my grasp on this is when did being a "geek" become an elitist badge of honor to be hoarded and lorded?

Fake geek girls dragging a guy back to their queen for egg implantation.
...
Sounds like a fic I read some time back.

Implanted with aliems for the ultimate emancipation of those oh so manly neck beard nerd types
but hey guys says the overwhelming number of white knights, this must be a good thing

Still don't know why people take issue with girls holding controllers
They might take issue with 'hey I'm a gamer girl hurrr give me stuff, lol omg you got pwned by a girl you noob' but that's only happened once or twice right? Right?!

I resent the idea that just because I don't know some trivial Spiderman detail, I'm not a real geek. Spiderman being the lamest of all superheroes. YES THAT INCLUDES AQUAMAN. Probably. I'm a gamer, not a comic book geek.

Why in god's name is anyone surprised that some girls pretend to be geeks to get male attention? Like I've been trying to tell people for ages, women and men are essentially the same. Women pretend to be interested in things they don't really like to get male attention the same way men pretend to be interested in things they don't really like to get female attention. So the fuck what? The majority of women who appear to be geeks still are. Unbunch your boxer briefs, guys.

I just want to say, that at the point when you know who Mami Tomoe is enough to know that you CAN cosplay as her, you have enough geek cred no matter what.

Fappy:
Why bring up the clone saga!? It was such a dark time in comic book history :(

Well, It was nice in a cartoon:
"Hey, Spidey! Do you know, that in one of the parallel universes exist two of you? Yes, the real and the clone. And one of them is pissed, because at first he thought that he is real, but he is not sure now, so he went crazy. Oh, yeah, he also merged with Carnage, so now he is crazy-powerful, bat-sh1t insane monster, that used a few devices to destroy both his AND all parallel universes. Have fun!"
You must agree, as a side story, that happened in a parallel universe, it is pretty darn neat.

EDIT: to destroy both his AND all OTHER parallel universes.

Andrew_C:

Legion:

Basically some tool made a post about fake geek girls a little while back, some other tools (almost certainly the same kind of people we block when we game due to all the childish, abusive crap) and it has been blown way out of proportion.

I am not sure what exactly caused it to be dragged back up again though.

Except this wasn't just "Some Tool" this time, this was a fairly prominent comic book artist Tony Harris . There is a link to objectionable post on his blog under the comic. I won't dignify it with another link.

I do not see how that makes a difference. I do not relate somebodies career choice to how important what they say is. It's not like the geek community has some kind of hierarchy, therefore what those at the top says represents everybody else.

He works in the industry, and wrote a bunch of misogynistic crap. He deserves all the flak that he gets for it, as do the idiots who support him, but it doesn't represent the culture as a whole, and it is not worth the ridiculous "OMG gamimg is so sexist!" response that it is gaining.

We do not assume America as a whole has a problem with racism due to some of the Obama hate.
We do not assume that Feminism has a problem with men due to some of the man haters.
We do not assume that all Muslims are secret terrorists because of the extremists.

In fact, people who do assume the last two are often called out on it frequently as being sexist and racist themselves.

seerbrum:
The fact this subject is even given the slightest of mental energy... is so unbelievably sad I might die from grief... I'm fucking serious.

I don't understand. To put it bluntly. I really don't fucking get it.

Being nerd or a geek, or whatever is not a club. There is no secret handshake, there is/was no meeting. It isn't even a fucking a blimp. It's this word, a term, whether an insult in the past or a term of endearment in its present form. No one owns "Nerd" no one owns "Geek". No one died and made any one person Duke of Geek-dom, So I kind of wish you fucking nerds would shut the fuck up and go back to your geeky life style. Happy.

This is more painful then watching "Punk Culture". where its not punk to be punk anymore... or something or only real punks listen to X,Y,Z and if you don't you aren't punk...
I dunno it just sounds like a bunch of people to lazy to actually contribute anything to the culture, so they invent a problem. A straw man or straw girl, to beat up on. Something to be angry about because cause they have nothing really to angry about.

Listen she's hot, she's at a comic book con. She's there for her own reasons, and if you get your heart broken, well idiot that's on you. Grow up, deal with it, learn that PEOPLE generally suck, and move on with life.

It's no more complicated then that. Everyone every where, has face this problem. Girls who "like" sports but don't know anything, just there to meet guys. Like guys who have no business at the club, don't like dancing, or music, there to meet chicks. People generally use other peoples for whatever they want too and they don't need special circumstances to do it. It's a complete none issue and an insult to geek culture for it to even matter. Wake up idiots, there is no such thing as a "fake nerd". Never will be, get over it, you are not special, or unique.

And I'm ashamed that I wrote that much on the subject.

Although this sums up my feelings on "geek culture" as a whole. Feel feel to replace geek with nerd or gamer.

Legion:

Andrew_C:

Legion:

Basically some tool made a post about fake geek girls a little while back, some other tools (almost certainly the same kind of people we block when we game due to all the childish, abusive crap) and it has been blown way out of proportion.

I am not sure what exactly caused it to be dragged back up again though.

Except this wasn't just "Some Tool" this time, this was a fairly prominent comic book artist Tony Harris . There is a link to objectionable post on his blog under the comic. I won't dignify it with another link.

I do not see how that makes a difference. I do not relate somebodies career choice to how important what they say is. It's not like the geek community has some kind of hierarchy, therefore what those at the top says represents everybody else.

He works in the industry, and wrote a bunch of misogynistic crap. He deserves all the flak that he gets for it, as do the idiots who support him, but it doesn't represent the culture as a whole, and it is not worth the ridiculous "OMG gamimg is so sexist!" response that it is gaining.

We do not assume America as a whole has a problem with racism due to some of the Obama hate.
We do not assume that Feminism has a problem with men due to some of the man haters.
We do not assume that all Muslims are secret terrorists because of the extremists.

In fact, people who do assume the last two are often called out on it frequently as being sexist and racist themselves.

I'm not saying that. But purely due to this man's career choice people outside the community WILL see him as a representative of geek/nerd/whatever culture. To use your analogy, when politicians make retarded comments about rape we tend to think the Republican party as a whole has it's shit fucked up, not just the Republican party in the districts they represent.

To be fair, there's just a good chance they were insulted by such an easy question. Or being asked about the clown saga. Or being asked at all.

This article is great on the subject:

http://madartlab.com/2012/11/21/down-with-fake-nerds-a-rallying-cry-to-real-geeks/

I highly recommend it.

Mr. Omega:
Now that security check was unfair. Most REAL Spider-fans would rather pretend the Clone Saga didn't happen. Asking a trick question like that was just cruel to those ladies.

They certainly had the right answer for even mentioning it.

vxicepickxv:

Captain Pancake:
Ben Reilly.

That is the most correct answer as Ben was the only intact clone. You could have also, just to spite everyone else in the world, use Kane.

Kane didn't take over for Peter, though.

Ironic Captcha: Manolo Blahnik - describe this brand

I had to look it up on Wikipedia in order to answer.

I'm not a gamer, or interested in comics, because I know it'll get me guys. Hell, I'm interested in those kind of guys because they have similar interests to me. But I've kind of always been into those things - I get it from my dad and sister. :I Telling me I'm "fake" doesn't make me want to stop being interested in these things. Dayumn.

The Tall Nerd:

Its like going to a football game because you like the uniforms,we have arrived here for different reasons, and for most people in a validity arguments i am going to win a few more bouts.But then again at least you reasons is the fake nerd thing, i hold no qualms against genders, but fake nerds in general. like TV show hosts or actors, that you know aren't really investing time but just judging their audience.

I used to work in Broadcast TV, specifically sports. I was rather indifferent about sports, but had to watch a lot for research and became a TV Graphics Geek. I watched the score graphics, the transitions, how they moved. Got really into it. That Fox football robot really annoyed me, I'd have nightmares. It got to the point where I'd comment on them at Superbowl parties, and people would nod and smile.

True story.

All that said, I've known a lot of people who's interest in sports and TV was purely social. They only followed it so they'd have something to talk about at the office, a shared cultural experience. It allowed for small talk and solidarity with your friends. I know that I've done it. It's called water cooler talk.

I've never met a hardcore sports fan who called me on it with the sort of vitriol that the Harris post had.

jmarquiso:

vxicepickxv:

Captain Pancake:
Ben Reilly.

That is the most correct answer as Ben was the only intact clone. You could have also, just to spite everyone else in the world, use Kane.

Kane didn't take over for Peter, though.

Ironic Captcha: Manolo Blahnik - describe this brand

I had to look it up on Wikipedia in order to answer.

There was a previous clone saga in the 1970's in which a clone of Peter Parker (who actually thought he was Peter) took Spider-man's place. He came back later on for the second one :p

Sometimes I feel old.

I'm pretty sure that fake geek girls are supposed to be girls that think they're nerds but actually aren't, and then talk about how feminist they are. Of course, the only possibility for their existence is that they existed a long time ago.

jmarquiso:

The Tall Nerd:

Its like going to a football game because you like the uniforms,we have arrived here for different reasons, and for most people in a validity arguments i am going to win a few more bouts.But then again at least you reasons is the fake nerd thing, i hold no qualms against genders, but fake nerds in general. like TV show hosts or actors, that you know aren't really investing time but just judging their audience.

I used to work in Broadcast TV, specifically sports. I was rather indifferent about sports, but had to watch a lot for research and became a TV Graphics Geek. I watched the score graphics, the transitions, how they moved. Got really into it. That Fox football robot really annoyed me, I'd have nightmares. It got to the point where I'd comment on them at Superbowl parties, and people would nod and smile.

True story.

All that said, I've known a lot of people who's interest in sports and TV was purely social. They only followed it so they'd have something to talk about at the office, a shared cultural experience. It allowed for small talk and solidarity with your friends. I know that I've done it. It's called water cooler talk.

I've never met a hardcore sports fan who called me on it with the sort of vitriol that the Harris post had.

it doesn't make you any less of person, though there is difference of you having some knowledge of sports and who ever these people are talking about having basically no knowledge of said subject matter.

but i am not gonna go into that one too deep( im not entirely sure i have a deep opinion on this, this is the first i have heard people lashing out about it), i have already stated i feel if you put that much costume on, you should know something or have some information on what your wearing. but that's more of a common sense thing, rather than a fake nerd thing.

seerbrum:
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whoa whoa hold on there friend
it isn't as black and white as that, while i don't care too much for gender lines, the fake nerd thing i can kinda see what these people have issue with.

there are fake nerds, because there are fake everything elses, whether they are trying to sell you a product, or trying to get attention , they exist. or have you not seen advertisements before or poseurs, there always will be, its how you chose to deal with them, this man in this sexist rant went about it the wrong way.
also and i believe people are special just by being them, whether them being them means they are a complete asshole or a wonderful person is up their surroundings, but special none the lesser.

The internet: "God, girls only date jerks! Why don't they see that I'm a nice person and that video games are cool?"
A girl: "Oh, I like video games... *cheerfully* I really liked Sleeping Dogs, Did you play that?"
The internet: "WHORE! Fake, slut, get the hell out and stop trying to ruin video games!!! *sobs*"

The depths of stupidity that men on the internet sink to never fails to astound me...

Nerds and gamers are the most sensitive bitter little shits when it comes to their culture. Which is ironic because they likely spend the bulk of their younger years trying to fit in. I've met some really smart hot chicks who like maybe one or two things geek. I guess this makes them poseurs because they're hot and haven't watched a minimum of a fuck ton of anime? Or maybe its because they are fuckable by anyone not a fat out of shape slob?

This "nerd cred" is full of so much shit I think it just might spawn a golgathan. If you are offended by scantilly clad cosplayers, the problem lies only with your own self esteem and some strange sense of puritanism. Our culture of nerdom is going main stream and there is nothing wrong with that. If you are concerned more with the exclusivity of the content than the content itself, your priorities are fucked.

Yes, because a subculture having a barrier of entry is something unheard of. I really don't get journalists' recent obsession with chastising the gaming community.

As long as gamers aren't lighting cars on fire because their SC team lost, or parents fear taking their kids to a gaming convention because the Halo and CoD hooligans might be going at each other, you can take your condescending shit elsewhere.

Really? No one's gonna say it? I have to be *that* guy?

Mami doesn't use anything remotely pistol-shaped, she uses flintlock rifles.

Deskimus Prime:
Really? No one's gonna say it? I have to be *that* guy?

Mami doesn't use anything remotely pistol-shaped, she uses flintlock rifles.

I don't think a silencer would work on a flintlock so y'know...

The Tall Nerd:

jmarquiso:

The Tall Nerd:

Its like going to a football game because you like the uniforms,we have arrived here for different reasons, and for most people in a validity arguments i am going to win a few more bouts.But then again at least you reasons is the fake nerd thing, i hold no qualms against genders, but fake nerds in general. like TV show hosts or actors, that you know aren't really investing time but just judging their audience.

I used to work in Broadcast TV, specifically sports. I was rather indifferent about sports, but had to watch a lot for research and became a TV Graphics Geek. I watched the score graphics, the transitions, how they moved. Got really into it. That Fox football robot really annoyed me, I'd have nightmares. It got to the point where I'd comment on them at Superbowl parties, and people would nod and smile.

True story.

All that said, I've known a lot of people who's interest in sports and TV was purely social. They only followed it so they'd have something to talk about at the office, a shared cultural experience. It allowed for small talk and solidarity with your friends. I know that I've done it. It's called water cooler talk.

I've never met a hardcore sports fan who called me on it with the sort of vitriol that the Harris post had.

it doesn't make you any less of person, though there is difference of you having some knowledge of sports and who ever these people are talking about having basically no knowledge of said subject matter.

but i am not gonna go into that one too deep( im not entirely sure i have a deep opinion on this, this is the first i have heard people lashing out about it), i have already stated i feel if you put that much costume on, you should know something or have some information on what your wearing. but that's more of a common sense thing, rather than a fake nerd thing.

I guess I didn't finish before going off on my amusing anecdote. All of that was a starting point for an interest in Sports. I managed to have good conversations after that without problem. Your average sports fan also doesn't mind if you're wearing team colors, and can't name a favorite player. They can't have those deeper conversations, obviously, but you're not thought less of. You're showing support, and they know that. Wearing a costume to a con - one that you put hard work on based on an image - well, let's just say you might know more about costuming than the guy asking you if you know what issue the character debuted in. But one of them is going to be more defensive about it.

jmarquiso:

The Tall Nerd:

jmarquiso:

I used to work in Broadcast TV, specifically sports. I was rather indifferent about sports, but had to watch a lot for research and became a TV Graphics Geek. I watched the score graphics, the transitions, how they moved. Got really into it. That Fox football robot really annoyed me, I'd have nightmares. It got to the point where I'd comment on them at Superbowl parties, and people would nod and smile.

True story.

All that said, I've known a lot of people who's interest in sports and TV was purely social. They only followed it so they'd have something to talk about at the office, a shared cultural experience. It allowed for small talk and solidarity with your friends. I know that I've done it. It's called water cooler talk.

I've never met a hardcore sports fan who called me on it with the sort of vitriol that the Harris post had.

it doesn't make you any less of person, though there is difference of you having some knowledge of sports and who ever these people are talking about having basically no knowledge of said subject matter.

but i am not gonna go into that one too deep( im not entirely sure i have a deep opinion on this, this is the first i have heard people lashing out about it), i have already stated i feel if you put that much costume on, you should know something or have some information on what your wearing. but that's more of a common sense thing, rather than a fake nerd thing.

I guess I didn't finish before going off on my amusing anecdote. All of that was a starting point for an interest in Sports. I managed to have good conversations after that without problem. Your average sports fan also doesn't mind if you're wearing team colors, and can't name a favorite player. They can't have those deeper conversations, obviously, but you're not thought less of. You're showing support, and they know that. Wearing a costume to a con - one that you put hard work on based on an image - well, let's just say you might know more about costuming than the guy asking you if you know what issue the character debuted in. But one of them is going to be more defensive about it.

im not asking states or anything
or like
who played cat woman in herpaderpa der
no no, just basics
who are they, what do they do, where they are from
basics
simple wiki

I think what's happening, with "fake gamer girls" thing, is that two stereotypes and a definition problem are being smashed together as only the internet can, and the resulting turbulence is what is fueling this "debate."

The first stereotype is that all gamers are smart. And while this may be true in many cases, there are still plenty of nerds that can recite every known race in the Star Wars universe, but can't master college-level math.

The second stereotype is that beauty and brains don't go together; this goes for both genders. No matter where you look, it's very rare to see a smart person portrayed as beautiful or a beautiful person portrayed as smart.

When you put these two stereotypes together, you end up with this logically sound, but still false, conclusion. "All gamers are smart. No beautiful people are smart. Therefore, no beautiful people are gamers."

These two stereotypes are heavily reinforced by modern media, and so, people tend to assume they are true in real life, leading to the distrust of beautiful people trying to "infiltrate" a smart-people club. Since "logically," they can't be smart, and therefore can't be gamers, they must have some other, ulterior motive for wanting to hang around gamers.

These stereotypes play a big role in this "debate." However, I think the biggest problem is that the meaning of the word "gamer" has changed significantly over the last few years.

There was a time when "gamer" meant "one who plays video games." This was because being someone who played video games was the exception, rather than the rule.

Now, with the popularity explosion of smart phones, tablets, and other mobile devices, virtually everyone plays video games, and thus, playing video games is the rule, rather than the exception.

While I can't speak for other languages, I know that in English, we name something that is the exception, rather than the rule. For example, there is no word for "one who is alive and needs to breathe," because needing to breathe is the rule, rather than the exception. Likewise, there is no word for "one who is not a Mormon." The word "non-Mormon" is simply derived from "Mormon," since being Mormon is the exception, rather than the rule.

And so, I believe that the big debate here is actually over what the word "gamer" means. There is a growing number of people who use the term "gamer" in the same way we use the terms "bookworm" or "film buff," as someone who is a connoisseur of games.

According to this definition, someone who only plays WoW or Call of Duty or Angry Birds is not a gamer, in the same way that someone who only reads Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings is not a bookworm. This does not make them lesser fans of their favorite franchises, but they are not connoisseurs of their respective mediums.

It is this disconnect of definitions that I think is fueling this debate, and the associated nerd-rage that accompanies it. According to the original definition of "gamer," these "fake gamer girls" would be gamers, but under the newer definition, they would not.

Modern gamers are a clique with various customs, social cues, and terminologies, and as such, when they see someone claiming to be a gamer, but matching few or none of their clique's criteria, they are instantly skeptical.

I think it is perfectly valid to see someone (of either gender) enter a social group, with little knowledge of said social group and with no desire to learn about the culture of said social group, and then conclude that the individual has become a part of said social group for some reason other than a love for the social group.

Let me finish of with some clarification. A beautiful woman or man, who shares interests with a gamer and is genuinely interested, is every gamer's dream come true. But, since many gamers have fallen prey the two stereotypes above, or at least believe them, they are extremely cautious with regards to beautiful people claiming to be gamers. Many gamers were marginalized for their interests during their formative years, and thus, they are weary to trust people who, at one time, would have bullied them.

Booke55555:
Didn't it turn out that Ben Reilly was the real Peter Parker and the person who we always thought was Peter Parker was the clone? So I'm going with Peter Parker

For a brief time they thought that but it turned out to be a lie as part of a big conspiracy run by Norman Osborn (the Green Goblin) who had come back from being dead and was manipulating the whole Clone Saga as revenge against Peter Parker.

I think a lot of the people here are missing the message of the comic.

SO WHAT IF THEY ARE FAKE

SO THE FUCK WHAT.

they are not going to suck your brains out or sacrifice you to the goddess of cosplay. Just enjoy looking at them and....

The Tall Nerd:

im not asking states or anything
or like
who played cat woman in herpaderpa der
no no, just basics
who are they, what do they do, where they are from
basics
simple wiki

Why ask at all? What if their answer was "Julie Newmar"? or "That girl from the Princess Diaries?" or whatever? God forbid they accidentally say "Tara Strong" or "Arleen Sorkin".

Does it really matter? I honestly don't understand this mentality at all. My point is that - at the very least - it's a starting point for an interest. And instead of being welcomed, it becomes a gatekeeping system. While you may have a "simple wiki" question (something that anyone with a smartphone could pass), the next gatekeeper may have a harder question. I know some people will get annoyed when they here the Joker killed Bruce's parents, or a bunch of stray cats gave Catwoman weird cat powers. You chose a character with vastly different versions and interpretations even.

Try something else, like - "how did you make that?" or "where'd you get that costume?" to really engage them in an interest that's already obviously theirs. Because man, I'd want to know myself.

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