Jimquisition: Friends

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Friends

Friendships are precious things that allow us to get through this horrific maelstrom we bitterly call life.

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Hmm that's a fair point actually, I'm pretty sure a while back there was an article explaining the technical reasons for a limit to friend numbers, but I believe the reason is long outdated. To be fair though it's a non issue for myself as I rarely add friends of people I don't know, so there's that :p

Thank god for you Jim

Ok I have to ask, if you could have 10,000 friends how many of those would you actually keep up with? I mean really? Like maybe 10. 20 at most. I'm surprised if you keep up with all 100 that you've got. Having more "friends" is mostly for bragging rights, it's not as though you keep in touch with all of them or even most of them.

I guess it's a sign my age that I see no reason to have more friends than I wuld actualy regularly speak to or play games with. I have 6 friends on the playstation network believe.

canadamus_prime:
Ok I have to ask, if you could have 10,000 friends how many of those would you actually keep up with? I mean really? Like maybe 10. 20 at most. I'm surprised if you keep up with all 100 that you've got. Having more "friends" is mostly for bragging rights, it's not as though you keep in touch with all of them or even most of them.

If you have that many friends, maybe you're popular enough that the 10,000 would like to keep up with YOU. In my case, maybe I won't have a close relationship with everyone on my list, but I still feel bad that I can't add them all. It's not nice having to reject requests, and I think anybody who ends up joining big communities online will feel the same way.

A limit of a 100 friends is a bit pointless when I can't think of an outstanding reason why it shouldn't just be unlimited, but did it really need an entire video dedicated to it?

They'll lose the limit if you'll lose the gloves :P

Seriously, I get that there shouldn't be a limit just because they say so, but how the hell are you going to find the time to keep up with 100 friends?

Edit: unless you're a celebrity.

This is probably a non issue to most people. I know that I have like, 5 friends. Maybe I'm just unpopular though.

I don't see the reason for the limit... not that I ever exceed 5... but yea, in their system I don't see how the limit could affect them. On your console, sure, but I can't see a friends list of 100,000 taking more space then most save files these days...

Also, people hated the gloves? I LOVE THE GLOVES!

I think steam has a friends limit as well. Maybe these people should talk to facebook/twitter about how to manage friends lists?

Yeah... well defiantly holding onto outdated practices is a bad habit of more than just the games industry...

I'm curious to know what (and if there is) a technical reason why it was coded that way originally. Considering how hard all three companies are fighting for market space I think it's weird they wouldn't jump at the opportunity to add a new feature, so I'm sure their engineers had to have had some say in keeping the limit.

As for the people saying they don't care because they don't have than many friends, or because they couldn't keep up with all of the people they have made friends with, I think you're confusing personal need with Jim's point that there is no good reason to have the limit in terms of optimizing the console (unless, as I mentioned earlier, there is a technical reason behind it).

Jimothy Sterling:

canadamus_prime:
Ok I have to ask, if you could have 10,000 friends how many of those would you actually keep up with? I mean really? Like maybe 10. 20 at most. I'm surprised if you keep up with all 100 that you've got. Having more "friends" is mostly for bragging rights, it's not as though you keep in touch with all of them or even most of them.

If you have that many friends, maybe you're popular enough that the 10,000 would like to keep up with YOU. In my case, maybe I won't have a close relationship with everyone on my list, but I still feel bad that I can't add them all. It's not nice having to reject requests, and I think anybody who ends up joining big communities online will feel the same way.

Ok, while I agree that the 100 friend limit is utterly arbitrary, I still think it's equally pointless to have like 10,000 friends on your list when you're probably not even going to communicate with half or even a third of them.

I guess it's a problem for all them famous folk out there, I really couldn't give a damn.

I have at best 7 or so friends on PSN, and I hardly get in contact with them, though that's all on me.

And those gloves would be okay if only they were leather. Standard fabric gloves just sorta weird me out. Maybe due to me fobia of static electricity.

Jim this episode will count as the control episode. Now we must innovate and try other hand covering items until we find ones that work for you but increase the viewer limit. I think oven mitts would be the next logical step for a test episode. It may also serve as your break in move to become a chief chef.

Me and my 3-7 friends laugh at your issues we...laugh... between the sobs.

A free asshole-throat-slitting service? Sign me u-oh, wait, I have no such pretentious friends. Sorry, Jim.
Just as well, he probably has more than 100 people on it already.

I agree with whoever said that no one has 100 friends they keep up with, play with or even talk to. I'm not exactly the most sociable person so I only ever talk to about 2 people on, say, Steam. But even if you are a really sociable person, you aren't gonna game and chat to 100 people.

You should be able to add as many people as you want, but it's not exactly a deal breaker for a gaming platform.

WildFire15:
A limit of a 100 friends is a bit pointless when I can't think of an outstanding reason why it should just be unlimited, but did it really need an entire video dedicated to it?

It's another one of those ranting episodes, where we agree with pretty much everything he's saying even if there is nothing enlightening being presented.

What are the other outdated practices that the friend limit is a sign of?

I have no friends. But I have comfy gloves. Guess we can't have everything.

canadamus_prime:

Jimothy Sterling:

canadamus_prime:
Ok I have to ask, if you could have 10,000 friends how many of those would you actually keep up with? I mean really? Like maybe 10. 20 at most. I'm surprised if you keep up with all 100 that you've got. Having more "friends" is mostly for bragging rights, it's not as though you keep in touch with all of them or even most of them.

If you have that many friends, maybe you're popular enough that the 10,000 would like to keep up with YOU. In my case, maybe I won't have a close relationship with everyone on my list, but I still feel bad that I can't add them all. It's not nice having to reject requests, and I think anybody who ends up joining big communities online will feel the same way.

Ok, while I agree that the 100 friend limit is utterly arbitrary, I still think it's equally pointless to have like 10,000 friends on your list when you're probably not even going to communicate with half or even a third of them.

10,000 may be extravagant, but we should at least be able to agree that, like my genitalia, 100 is small and inefficient in a world of such expansive social communication. If you're a member of an online gaming forum, you can easily hit that limit.

It's the fact that it's 100, and only due to a sheer lack of imagination, that drives my problem with this whole thing.

Well, who will ever need more than 640KB RAM, right? RIGHT?!?!

It's a fair point on a technical perspective, but I wonder: why are we allowed a hundred "friends" to begin with? I'm lucky to have six ACTUAL friends on my Steam list! Not, you know, "I met you online and you didn't suck at TF2 and you didn't act like a douchebag, so you get friended" material - ACTUAL friends.

People I talk to every single day. People I've worked with. Family members, in some cases, even. SIGNIFICANT people.

So yes, while I do agree that the Friends list is a fitting metaphor for the lack of innovation in modern gaming, that isn't really what I'd call a glaring issue. Jim is fairly lucky - nay, blessed - to consider that he's forced to deny friend requests because he's hit a software cap I will NEVER in all my life even come remotely close to approaching.

As for companies not being innovative - big shocker, right? Gaming's all about shareholders and profits and Scrooge McDuck money pits, now. Why risk anything if that means your six-figure villa in Baja is at stake? Why risk anything when the industry proves us time and time again that what people "like" is brown, gritty modern military shooters?

The only folks who can risk it are those who have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Independent devs, for the most part. Young and small upstarts who need to actually innovate to be seen in the grey, formless mass which is the current market.

Is this a thing worth getting upset over? These people are not your actual friends, there is a massive differentiation between a fan and a friend and that is why the following system is there. The odds of you playing games and communicating with these people is nil so whether you make it 100 or 10,000 the difference is completely arbitrary.

I will never be your friend Jim. I follow you on twitter like a fan but I will never be your friend.

Either way, doesn't bother me. I only have 2 friends on PSN, and don't use LIVE. Steam I have maybe 30, but that was mostly from trading (maybe 1/4 - 1/3 are people I actually know or play games with). I can understand other people have lots (especially in clans and things), but at the same time, I can see the limit for those people who just add everyone they see (like people do on Facebook).

I get the feeling that there's some truth to that stinger given what Podtoid has revealed of Mrs. Sterling...

...Wait, what was this? I mean, the episodes have been weaker as of late, but now a whole episode about friends list limitations? Really?

For the love of god...

Jimothy Sterling:

canadamus_prime:

Jimothy Sterling:

If you have that many friends, maybe you're popular enough that the 10,000 would like to keep up with YOU. In my case, maybe I won't have a close relationship with everyone on my list, but I still feel bad that I can't add them all. It's not nice having to reject requests, and I think anybody who ends up joining big communities online will feel the same way.

Ok, while I agree that the 100 friend limit is utterly arbitrary, I still think it's equally pointless to have like 10,000 friends on your list when you're probably not even going to communicate with half or even a third of them.

10,000 may be extravagant, but we should at least be able to agree that, like my genitalia, 100 is small and inefficient in a world of such expansive social communication. If you're a member of an online gaming forum, you can easily hit that limit.

It's the fact that it's 100, and only due to a sheer lack of imagination, that drives my problem with this whole thing.

I really don't want to know anything about your genitalia Jim. Anyway, I do agree that the 100 friend limit is arbitrary and more than a little outdated. However, I also fail to see the need to have such extravagant numbers of "friends" either. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm not a major Internet celebrity and don't play games online. Come to think of it, if I was a major Internet celebrity I'd probably ignore most of those requests on principle.

Only 100 ? I rarely use my PS3 for online play, and I don't really add people I don't know, so I never noticed that cap was so low. I can agree that there is no pratcical need for that many friends, but it's ridiculous that neither Nintendo, nor Sony jumped at the opportunity to stand out; even with such a small thing. I suppose innovation is risky and expensive in the eyes of the shareholders, and isn't that a fucking shame.

canadamus_prime:

Jimothy Sterling:

canadamus_prime:

Ok, while I agree that the 100 friend limit is utterly arbitrary, I still think it's equally pointless to have like 10,000 friends on your list when you're probably not even going to communicate with half or even a third of them.

10,000 may be extravagant, but we should at least be able to agree that, like my genitalia, 100 is small and inefficient in a world of such expansive social communication. If you're a member of an online gaming forum, you can easily hit that limit.

It's the fact that it's 100, and only due to a sheer lack of imagination, that drives my problem with this whole thing.

I really don't want to know anything about your genitalia Jim. Anyway, I do agree that the 100 friend limit is arbitrary and more than a little outdated. However, I also fail to see the need to have such extravagant numbers of "friends" either. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm not a major Internet celebrity and don't play games online. Come to think of it, if I was a major Internet celebrity I'd probably ignore most of those requests on principle.

We can't all be working class heroes!

They're entering a wold of pain.
You didn't watch your friends die face down in the much so these fucking strumpets,
these fucking hoares, could limit your friends.

This is what happens Nintendo when you fuck a stranger in the ass.

Jimothy Sterling:

canadamus_prime:

Jimothy Sterling:

10,000 may be extravagant, but we should at least be able to agree that, like my genitalia, 100 is small and inefficient in a world of such expansive social communication. If you're a member of an online gaming forum, you can easily hit that limit.

It's the fact that it's 100, and only due to a sheer lack of imagination, that drives my problem with this whole thing.

I really don't want to know anything about your genitalia Jim. Anyway, I do agree that the 100 friend limit is arbitrary and more than a little outdated. However, I also fail to see the need to have such extravagant numbers of "friends" either. Maybe it's just 'cause I'm not a major Internet celebrity and don't play games online. Come to think of it, if I was a major Internet celebrity I'd probably ignore most of those requests on principle.

We can't all be working class heroes!

Thank God for you, right?
Incidentally, love the gloves.

While we're on the subject of arbitrary friend list features, why is it always "all or nothing" when it comes to sharing information with my friends? Everyone has their guilty pleasures, and it would be nice if we could divide our game library into "share" and "don't share."

I think the Miiverse actually makes this a bigger problem now than it has been in the past, because I can now peruse users through the many communities - something not really open to PSN or XBLA users (at this moment - I bet they each have their own version on the next machines). The Miiverse opens the user up to more opportunities to make "friends" than they usually do - so it is completely possible to surpass 100.

the gloves are classy
yes, they may stay

on a side note, I got a fuckload of steam friends
yet I only ever talk/play with about only 2 of them XD

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