The Big Picture: The Girl of Steel

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The Girl of Steel

MovieBob takes us further down the rabbit hole that is the Supergirl mythos.

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I was never fond of DC, and IC and all these doesn't help me get into it either...

EDIT: I love most of their costumes though, but that's hardly a selling point.

As much as I loathe the boob-candy that a lot of female superheroes seem to have, I actually liked how Powergirl didn't have a symbol like all the other superheroes.

Also, what was that cartoon clip from? It wasn't the Justice League (which gave power girl another origin story as a Supergirl Clone).

I read that the current reboot of Power Girl no longer got the boob window but to compensate, her costume get torn/ ripped apart as a running gag which some fans hated.

Looking forward to next week since I think I know which Supergirl you're going to mention next.

The Gentleman:

Also, what was that cartoon clip from? It wasn't the Justice League (which gave power girl another origin story as a Supergirl Clone).

It's from this DC animated film "Superman/Batman: Public Enemies" based from the comic of the same name.

no, there is no limit to bad jokes that can be made in these. though if you make one "you are supposed to laugh now" joke, and try to play the rest straight "yes you can laugh if you want" it might not be even noticeable.

is there any chance you could include like part n of X when you do multipart videos?

It's not surprising that Power Girl managed to steek through. After all she does have a rather...

*puts on sunglasses*

...Blinding personality

Yeah, I've always been pretty cynical about all the ways fans and writers alike try to justify the boob-window as anything other than fanservice, though I don't mind the character in some of her incarnations despite not running into her much.

Heck, I don't mind the new 52 outfit for her, though from what little I've heard since being bumped out of the loop by that reboot mess, her character hasn't been doing much of note or quite working on a characterization level.

Powergirls costume is pretty ridicules because of the boob-window, and yet I still really like it (aside from the obvious reasons). I personally think that she has one of the best costumes (I think her new 52 costume, with out the boob-window, kinda sucks).

So while it is ridicules and pandering I really hope she gets to keep it. They could perhaps make her a little less... endowed instead.

When he was talking about the dead of Supergirl and how iconic it was I got goosebumps // A good dead in comics will always make you feel that way

-M

I'd just like a version of Marvel's cancerverse to invade DC the next time they try a parallel earths story. The ridiculousness of these storylines with their infinite plotholes is one of the primary reasons I never got into reading DC.

Aww boobs. Now I have to take my perverted mind to deviant.

The thing is males can appreciate a strong female character without the need for a skimpy outfit. In comics, as long as she kicks ass most guys are impressed, then all you need is good story and it will be a seller. Way to many perceived stereotypes in comics now both for males and female characters. Thing is, with the internet, if a guy wants boobs then all he has to do is go online, we dont need comics for that now. Add a bit of reality, give them a proper costume for the work they are doing. I really dont think that adding a boob window will sell a characters comic, thats just retarded.

To be fair the boob window is gone from her most recent costume

SonOfVoorhees:
The thing is males can appreciate a strong female character without the need for a skimpy outfit. In comics, as long as she kicks ass most guys are impressed, then all you need is good story and it will be a seller. Way to many perceived stereotypes in comics now both for males and female characters. Thing is, with the internet, if a guy wants boobs then all he has to do is go online, we dont need comics for that now. Add a bit of reality, give them a proper costume for the work they are doing. I really dont think that adding a boob window will sell a characters comic, thats just retarded.

I agree with you about the "all she needs is to be badass" sentiment.

However, to be fair, they didn't have the internet back then and, based on other articles I've seen elsewhere, this may have been a time when looking up "friction" in the dictionary (apparently with a definition of "two bodies rubbing against each other") would send 7th graders into fits of giggles. Then again, that's probably still the case, although I can't know for sure because I grew up back when the internet was just starting to make its way into homes.

I think the overabundance of porn has made the subtle infiltration at the edges all the more unacceptable. I mean nowadays you have to actively work to not expose yourself to naked folks on the 'net.

Its made characters whose appeal is primarily sexy but skating past standards lose a lot and comic book superheroines are gaining a major drubbing both in proportion to their violations of good sense (Much of the Hawkeye Initiative) And otherwise (the boob window.. sorry but I have a strict if real women wear it by no coercision regularly in public its not contentious on a fictional construct of one, feminism has to hit more relevant points than a dude is getting off on this to make me take a complaint at face value.

Like THIS

Yeah this is why I don't read comic books, aside from the fact that they're too expensive to keep up with.

To be a bit facetious, I'm not sure I understand the problem. I like boobs, Powergirl has enough to feed a regiment and she has her own comic for people to read/ogle.

But there's nothing in the rulebooks that says DC can't also publish 'The Sensible Adventures of a Modestly Dressed Woman of Average Proportions With a Respectable Day Job That She Completely Deserves Who Never Gets Married or Kidnapped or Asks a Man for Help Unless She Later Helps Him Out in Return and Has a Discreet Sex Life That Either Definitely Includes Women or Totally Doesn't Because That's Just Fanservice, Boys, Grow Up, and She Has a Healthy Relationship With Her Father Because Daddy Issues Are Over. Also She May or May Not Have Superpowers But Either Way She Did It on Her Own.' Granted I wouldn't read that comic because it sounds terrible, but maybe there's an audience out there for that one.

i've heard that the series power girl had was really good, with great art by amanda conner.

Continuity ruins comic books the same way Dr. Phil ruins sex and I did not watch that much of american tv.

Aureliano:
But there's nothing in the rulebooks that says DC can't also publish 'The Sensible Adventures of a Modestly Dressed Woman of Average Proportions With a Respectable Day Job That She Completely Deserves Who Never Gets Married or Kidnapped or Asks a Man for Help Unless She Later Helps Him Out in Return and Has a Discreet Sex Life That Either Definitely Includes Women or Totally Doesn't Because That's Just Fanservice, Boys, Grow Up, and She Has a Healthy Relationship With Her Father Because Daddy Issues Are Over. Also She May or May Not Have Superpowers But Either Way She Did It on Her Own.' Granted I wouldn't read that comic because it sounds terrible, but maybe there's an audience out there for that one.

Given how small an audience this character would get I doubt it would be financially viable. Nobody wants to read about an average woman who's also a superhero because a woman with issues is more interesting and women with large proportions are easier to sell.

Though a story about an ordinary woman living an ordinary life may appeal to the people who like slice of life things.

Oh good. Next week I get to find out what the deal is with Matrix...

"Ridiculous proportions"... my ex girlfriend was built like her, she never looked ridiculous, or even Dolly Parton-esque. Let's be honest, everybody loves breasts, whether they're attached to us or to other people, we're all pretty much fans, so i don't get the issue. If they sell comic book let's call it harmless eye candy. If there are issues of objectification I can assure you that most women do it to themselves to a greater degree than men could possibly achieve via comic book artistry, or any other medium for that matter. This isn't my attempt at excusing or supporting Power Girl's appearance, but more a stance against her detractors, or at least those that speak out against how she's depicted.

Aureliano:
To be a bit facetious, I'm not sure I understand the problem. I like boobs, Powergirl has enough to feed a regiment and she has her own comic for people to read/ogle.

But there's nothing in the rulebooks that says DC can't also publish 'The Sensible Adventures of a Modestly Dressed Woman of Average Proportions With a Respectable Day Job That She Completely Deserves Who Never Gets Married or Kidnapped or Asks a Man for Help Unless She Later Helps Him Out in Return and Has a Discreet Sex Life That Either Definitely Includes Women or Totally Doesn't Because That's Just Fanservice, Boys, Grow Up, and She Has a Healthy Relationship With Her Father Because Daddy Issues Are Over. Also She May or May Not Have Superpowers But Either Way She Did It on Her Own.' Granted I wouldn't read that comic because it sounds terrible, but maybe there's an audience out there for that one.

Good one. I'd like to add that they could likewise do the same for male heroes, rather than making them bulge out everywhere in colorful unitards.

The main disease of the comic books - they stopped making sense a long time ago!

The problem, like Bob has said, is that EVERY WOMAN is bag of issues and objectified without a thought to the appeal or empathy of females. Or at least a promiment amount. To the point girls getting into nerdy things without being social outcasts or validating nerdom is being met with professional scorn.

Mind there is a point where you can't hide moral authority and its enforcement behind the best of feminism. That is declaring something sexist being like its heretical and thus worthy of scorn as all who support it. Even if that's necessary don't then switch to this ludicrious stance of all feminism being an open conversation for the betterment of mankind for both genders. The problem is that would envolve daring to engage in conversation with the assumption the other side doesn't want superemacy and conceding you power and neither 'side' finds that, at best, desirable to just being able to go my standards are right and my will be done.

Small note: I've always just called it the cleavage window. I have been informed in actual fashion circles its called a keyhole.

"Boob window" ... That's new, or something I haven't came across quite often on. Huh.

But yea, I can see how she's popular in a sense she's also somewhat 'eye candy'. The only female I can see without being eye candy and being a remarkable legacy is Wonder Woman simply because she just kicks so much butt and doesn't come off as a girl you need to feel sorry for along with wanting to be in her pants cause she seems like she's 'that' type of girl.

I respect it when characters are fleshed out and they're seen as people, not "ooohhh yeah I want me some of that" kind of models. Thanks for having this shown to us Movie Bob, I will check in next time to see what's going to happen. If I ever got into the DC comics business, I want to make a female character who was remembered for her talents and personality, not 'the boob windows are flashing'.

And not one mention of clip of the amazing amount of great cosplay going on because of her. Shame.

Well that went better than I expected. I had worried Bob would just shout at males for 5 minutes for liking boobs.

I think "bag of issues" characters stand out in stark contrast (for better or worse) because comic book characters are typically very bland and flat in terms of personality. The only difference between the male and female characters is one group is sexually objectified. But at least female heroes usually have personal issues beyond "my girlfriend might get hurt".

Face it, internet; comics are the OG version of Twilight, a male version of romance fiction that sells by the boatload without relying on things like quality writing or interesting characters. They're fantasy vessels for us to dress up and pretend like we're Spider-man, beating the piss out of Doc Ock, just like prepubescent girls fantasize about being Bella, kissing the shit out of Edward. Most heroes are morally upright do-gooders who's only moral quandry usually comes in "what if I hurt the one's I love by continuing to do this awesomely righteous thing set by arbitrary standards?" Nothing of consequence ever happens because if either heroes or villains ever truly died that would mean a drop in sales. So let's stop pretending like there's only ONE issue with comics that needs to be fixed.

But like I said, that's MOST comics. I'm sure there's third party books that don't have the same trappings as the big name brands, but then you'll rarely see the internet talking about those.

Wasn't earth 2 basically just the golden age versions of the characters or am I mistaken.

Yeah that images sums up the dark age pretty well besides any cover drawn by rob liefeld its that.

Power girl sounds like a pretty lame character she's walking fan service with the feminist excuse but maybe I'm wrong.

Yay Powergirl! I've been waiting since last week to see this video. Very sad that I have to wait another week to see another one, but happy that there will be another one.
I've always liked Powergirl, but it took me forever to figure out who she was. I was only familiar with her from movies and a few comics. So, I always just thought of her as Supergirl grown up--which she technically is I suppose. And the reason why I like her, as I like Supergirl too. I liked the joke about her 'figure' in "Batman/Superman: Public Enemies." The one where the boy uses his see-through tech to, well, see through her outfit.
Amazing joke regarding the Amazons and Wonder Woman. Simply amazing.

while i new all this , its still interesting to hear your take
though wonderwoman has had odder love interests, seems someone was into furries at one point is all i am saying

i hope powergirl is in the injustice game, i like her

not as much as some marvel ladies( because i am marvel bias ) but she is cool peoples
hmm, i don't usually have issues with alot of female super hero's nowadays to be honest, i find them to be more reasonable than their male counterparts alot of the time, its one of the reasons why i like wonder woman so much, sometimes at least
i am not boasting some women are taking over comics philosophy i just like it when wonder-woman has to tear into batman reminding him your just a crazy dude with some money rest and calm down

Caramel Frappe:

I respect it when characters are fleshed out and they're seen as people, not "ooohhh yeah I want me some of that" kind of models. Thanks for having this shown to us Movie Bob, I will check in next time to see what's going to happen. If I ever got into the DC comics business, I want to make a female character who was remembered for her talents and personality, not 'the boob windows are flashing'.

But do keep in mind that eye candy is always, always welcome as the icing on the cake of personality/talents :)

Signed,
A Male

I usually get annoyed when someone tries to tease and buy my interests out with implications of sex and female body parts... but... Damn she's got a nice rack... Damn!

>.<

The new PG is kind of...annoying.

I miss the PG of V2 where she not only kicked some MAJOR ass, she also founded a company and used her connections to make the world a better place though SCIENCE.

That acknowledgement that 'my fists can't solve everything' is something you RARELY see out of most of these 'demigods'.

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