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Machine Man 1992:

No,no, read it again.

I'm not mad at Yahtzee. That rage was directed at YOU. And by you I mean the entire Escapist community. Every single one. Just one huge blanket of contempt for every user.

because...WE...don't like the game you like? (what?)

now thats a bit fucking stupid now...isn't it?

being an ass aside we arent all rabid yahtzee fanboys brown-nosing, and some of us arent cynical fucks eather

so pleasepback up your generalisations and take them out the door with you since you obviously hate us all so much....or come back when you learn to act like an adult and not throw a tantrum everytime your feelings get hurt

DataSnake:

FallenMessiah88:
Yes I did, but here's the thing. They're called first person shooters because you shoot things from a first person percpective. You do that in Doom as well as in Call Of Duty.

Using the term "spunkgargleweewee" is like using a word like "satan sex worshippers" to describe people who like heavy metal.

If you really must put give a specific name to every sort of FPS, then start by not using inflammatory terms like these. Why not just call them Modern Military Shooters or MMS's like TotalBiscuit does?

Someone mentioned in the Warfighter thread that MMS is already used, so what about MWS (Modern Warfare Shooter) or RMS (Realistic Military Shooter)? And the point stands, saying someone "just doesn't like shooters" because they hate BF3 and MW3 is like saying they "just don't like games": too broad, because there are other kinds they DO like.

EDIT: Also, "Satan Sex Worshippers" would be a good name for a heavy metal band.

I agree that saying that someone "just doesn't like shooters" because they say they don't like BF3 and/or COD is quite stupid and by extension, I agree that perhaps segregating FPS's into multiple genres is a good thing. Basically, as long as it's not inflammatory or demeaning then I don't care.

And now that you mention it, "Satan Sex Worshippers" is actually quite an awesome name. Maybe I should use this method more often when coming up with band names.

Tried playing the campaign. Didn't care for it. Do people find these things fun? I don't get it. the multiplayer is pretty compelling but the campaign, bleh.

I don't ever really feel immersed in what's going on either. The game tries to be realistic in a sense, but then you have 4 guys taking on 100 and it's business as usual. Like, trying to be a badass without the game enabling you to feel like one. Not like say Bulletstorm.

There's also immersion breaking stuff, like I gave up on the Afghan mission but right at the start the russians are attacking or whatever and your guy's like "GO TO THE CACHE AND GET THE RPG!". But the thing is, me and bozo just got to the base. How the hell does he know about any weapons cache? He wouldn't. Not to mention the weapons cache is already in enemy territory with the russians advanced past that.

It's just pretty stupid. Mind you I put it on veteran so that probably didn't help me feel compelled to stay, but there are some hard games where I'll keep playing and there are some games where it wont be worth it and this falls into the latter.

Ultratwinkie:
You can never do that in London, because they have hate crime laws and vigorously enforce them...

You ignored the question, but I think we may move on now since we probably both have the same goal.

CrossLOPER:

Ultratwinkie:
You can never do that in London, because they have hate crime laws and vigorously enforce them...

You ignored the question, but I think we may move on now since we probably both have the same goal.

What goal? Fixing social issues to make it a true post-race society? Where skin color has no bearing on anything and race-based poverty is held in the same regard as Malaria epidemics in the American South? A problem that was long ago truly solved?

Yeah. That would be the same goal. Doubt it would happen soon, though.

Grach:

Machine Man 1992:

I'm not mad at Yahtzee. That rage was directed at YOU. And by you I mean the entire Escapist community. Every single one. Just one huge blanket of contempt for every user.

What the hell did I do?

You know what? I have an idea for a modern military shooter. It would be set in a alternate timeline where World War 1 never happened, so Europe would've been locked in the armed peace period throughout all of the XX century, with hostilities starting in early 2010. You play as Wilhelm Schneider and as Boris Gorodetsky, a german imperial frontline soldier and as a russian saboteur respectively. With both, you experience the start of the war all jacked up with nationalism for both parties which starts getting overshadowed by the horrid atrocities you experience or commit during the campaign, as you witness the nerve shriveling gun fire of the frontlines and the more morally questionable missions your respective goverments send you to do. The old strategies would have to brutally adapt to new weapons such as sarin gas, white phosphorus and radiological weapons used freely, finally coming to terms with the lunacy and hatred that warfare entails.

This would imply a vastly different warzone, as tanks are not as advanced, planes are mostly used for recon with nuclear weapons being phased out for more cost efficient thermobaric ordenance (the world would run on nuclear power mostly).

What do you think? It would be better than what we have now?

I would very much like to play that game. It would certainly be a lot more interesting, especially with the nuclear powered everything. (and hopefully kickass old-timey facial hair)

Machine Man 1992:

Says the person who obviously couldn't proof read his own post.

Or were you crying too hard to even attempt proper grammar?

me?...crying?

go back and look over your past posts..then tell me who was "crying".I still don't get what your fucking problem is aside is, aside from the fact you don;t like some of the users so you throw a tantrum, any other group you'd like to generalise? women? gay people? people of other race? "gamers"? do you lump most groups together as the same thing because you don't like a few?

my gramma/spelling may not be perfect but I still stand by what I said

Demonio Penguino:

And here we have exhibit "A" of the modern gamer: the rabid idiot.
The absolute most common type of modern gamer, traits include raving about how Call of Duty is the greatest game ever and how anyone who says otherwise deserves to die.

I'm a modern gamer and I've never played COD and I'm not that fanboy-ish

Ultratwinkie:
I am talking about white privilege in America. The same place where the civil rights movement was in the 1970s and still continues now. Hardly 150 years ago.

And Again. I am not talking about YOU PERSONALLY. White Privilege exist in a STATISTICAL SPACE. A level BIGGER THAN YOU.

yeah i know where you're talking about, and id still like to see some charts.

This is the cycle:

Racism devalues black man. Gets lower wage.[

Black man raises child.

Chance A -> Child just happens to work hard. White child accepted into college instead of him.

yes, i can get a scholarship for being white....oh wait no i cant, but minorities can even if they have a GPA of 1.7

Child works in low wage environment in a college job oriented country. Rinse and repeat.

thats everyone.....EVERYONE. thats not even remotely black exclusive, or minority exclusive.

If Child is accepted, the child has a harder time getting work because of his race.

unless a company needs to fill their bullshit affirmative action quota.

Chance B -> Family can't afford college.

Child works in low wage under crippling college debt. Child couldn't find work due to his race. Rinse and repeat until hope is dead.

again, how is that black or minority exclusive? you think white people have a money tree? we dont.

Hell, A California did a study on this in 2003.

oh this ought to be good.

Racism has practically screwed minorities either into a never ending cycle of poverty or limiting how high a normal person can achieve. Its much like the feminist's use of the word "glass ceiling." A poverty cycle that is very hard to break and very easy to slip back into. Its still a very real problem, and that is the reason affirmative action EXISTS. Its so the poverty cycle CAN be broken and that EVERYONE has the SAME chances at life. Its not reverse racism, its helping people have a shot at escaping the ghetto and actually have hope of doing something without fear of sliding back into poverty.

ok first off. thats not a study, thats a bullshit statement. i'll tell you what the problem is....trying to push 'white privilege ' or 'white guilt' and creating a scapegoat per se, to where the 'victim' can casually blame their short comings on someone else instead of bettering themselves and improving...of course, gang culture and sheer moral corruption in popular culture isnt helping either.

But we don't live in that perfect world. Not everyone has the same chances you have and not everyone is treated the same. Its an appealing sentiment, but not a realistic one that takes real world problems into account.

of course it isnt a perfect world, racism does exist, slavery DID happen (to everyone, it isnt remotely back exclusive) everyone has been a dick to everyone else at one point or another..
but luckily, America has finally come to the point where everyone is on equal ground. You cant use racism as an excuse anymore. racism is not the reason why 30% of blacks live in poverty, its not the reason why the biggest killers of black men are other black men. the real reason is the culture they live in. and its not all of them, but its a too large amount.
yes, every now and then, racism will strike, but its not as big of a problem as people say. and to say its a big reason why blacks and other minorities have a higher poverty rate or a harder time in this country is a narrow minded, claim used to make people feel better and not have to rely as much on self responsibility.
its as ignorant as a trailer trash white fat bastard blaming jews for his poverty.

We are not a post race society yet. Thousands of years of racism doesn't go away over night or when Obama took office. There is still a lot of ways to go. A lot of issues that need to be solved.

there is no such thing. there will never be such a thing. besides the fact i can honestly say ive experienced more openly racist blacks than whites, any anthropologist will tell you race is not skin deep, its body structure, mindset, and (controversial statement ahead, dont take it the wrong way) intelligence. not to mention culture and environmental differences.
instead of viewing everyone as 'the human race' we should acknowledge and work with the differences in race and ethnicity, then you will become a truly tolerant nation. the more you push us together, the more we repel, you have to find the right spot to where we have the perfect pull and push. odd magnetic analogy but you should be able to get my drift.

To say that minorities don't work hard is like breaking a man legs then blaming him for his leg being broken. Its unfair, and frankly exudes a persecution complex.

im not saying because you're of a certain race you dont work hard, i claim that certain races (not the whole race, but a large chunk) have come under mindset that has the consequence that they don't need to work as hard. and i know people are going to impale me on a pike for that, but you people know im right because we over compensated for racism and started pandering.

[b]No one is coming to hurt you. The "scary" black man isn't scary.

i could be a smart ass and post the stat that whites are more likely to be a victim of a black on white crime than the other way around by a significant margin....but im just going to move on.

The woman isn't coming to castrate you and take your stuff. To use this "us vs them" mentality against helping correct problems set in motion in the past is severely paranoid. Around the same level as people who think Red Dawn will happen in 2012. This mentality on the Escapist has to stop because it stopped being cute and is now well into the "creepy" category and getting extremely near "Fox News" level of fear.[/b]

oh good, a fox news joke....nice to see we're aiming high...also red dawn is a movie...just a movie. and a fun one with patrick swayze and the kid from drake and josh.

also im not 'scared of women' im scared people are going to believe these STUPID women who believe they're oppressed or discriminated over the most trivial bullshit. tax payers dont need to pay for your birth control lady, either have some self control or learn to do the 69...which will make both parties happy.

the worst ones are the ones walking around topless with writing in marker on them saying "Still not asking for it" when ...yes....you are.....you honest to god are. no matter how you put it, you're just asking for trouble doing stupid shit like that. if i went around without pants and underwear, i guarantee someone will kick me in the balls.

Also, this 'war on women' thing is nothing more and a left wing media created controversy that didnt exist until they had to get Romney out of the presidential picture.
which is ironic, because the republican politicians actually paid their women more...and hired them more...and bush had more minority cabinet members than Clinton or Obama.

So in short, white [male] privilege is nothing more than a scapegoat to shrug off responsibility, to pander, or to falsely explain stuff that if one where to explain they'd be labeled as a sexiest/racist/bigot/ ect....or a fox news contributor if your on Reddit or the escapist or you think you have a sense of humor. *cough* john Stewart*cough*

also you never did post those Charts and graphs.

CrossLOPER:

Ultratwinkie:

White privilege is saying whites DON'T GET AS MUCH RACISM AS OTHERS. Not that you automatically suck or evil, just more fortunate STATISTICALLY.

It DOESN'T mean you are automatically rich, but what it DOES MEAN is that you are statistically more fortunate and more LIKELY open with your life. At the end of the day that's what matters, statistics. People don't focus on whites because they encompass ALL aspects of social class and are not bound by largely by racial rules. Minorities, and women LARGELY DON'T HAVE THE SAME UPWARD MOBILITY.

When taking all the statistics into account, whites are more fortunate in a number of areas and are not restricted as much as others.

If you are not EXTREMELY effected by a form of discrimination STATISTICALLY, that is privilege. That's all it means. That's all it ever meant. It was never meant that you're evil in official circles.

Its just a numbers game through statistics and number crunchers. A term to describe DISPARITIES in STATISTICAL GRAPHS.

The only way one can interpret that as hatred is the same people who thought "death panels" meant Obama was going to start killing everyone.

Does this sort of argument not seem to imply that peoples' races are rolled like some demented D&D game and that everyone in the world has a default disposition toward people of a certain race? There are most certainly other factors involved and to suggest some sort of privilege for a race seems extreme.

You're statistically more likely to roll up terrible stats, but the silver lining is that you get a totally sweet henchman called the 'white-guilt leftie'.

Jegsimmons:

Ultratwinkie:
I am talking about white privilege in America. The same place where the civil rights movement was in the 1970s and still continues now. Hardly 150 years ago.

And Again. I am not talking about YOU PERSONALLY. White Privilege exist in a STATISTICAL SPACE. A level BIGGER THAN YOU.

yeah i know where you're talking about, and id still like to see some charts.

This is the cycle:

Racism devalues black man. Gets lower wage.[

Black man raises child.

Chance A -> Child just happens to work hard. White child accepted into college instead of him.

yes, i can get a scholarship for being white....oh wait no i cant, but minorities can even if they have a GPA of 1.7

Child works in low wage environment in a college job oriented country. Rinse and repeat.

thats everyone.....EVERYONE. thats not even remotely black exclusive, or minority exclusive.

If Child is accepted, the child has a harder time getting work because of his race.

unless a company needs to fill their bullshit affirmative action quota.

Chance B -> Family can't afford college.

Child works in low wage under crippling college debt. Child couldn't find work due to his race. Rinse and repeat until hope is dead.

again, how is that black or minority exclusive? you think white people have a money tree? we dont.

Hell, A California did a study on this in 2003.

oh this ought to be good.

Racism has practically screwed minorities either into a never ending cycle of poverty or limiting how high a normal person can achieve. Its much like the feminist's use of the word "glass ceiling." A poverty cycle that is very hard to break and very easy to slip back into. Its still a very real problem, and that is the reason affirmative action EXISTS. Its so the poverty cycle CAN be broken and that EVERYONE has the SAME chances at life. Its not reverse racism, its helping people have a shot at escaping the ghetto and actually have hope of doing something without fear of sliding back into poverty.

ok first off. thats not a study, thats a bullshit statement. i'll tell you what the problem is....trying to push 'white privilege ' or 'white guilt' and creating a scapegoat per se, to where the 'victim' can casually blame their short comings on someone else instead of bettering themselves and improving...of course, gang culture and sheer moral corruption in popular culture isnt helping either.

But we don't live in that perfect world. Not everyone has the same chances you have and not everyone is treated the same. Its an appealing sentiment, but not a realistic one that takes real world problems into account.

of course it isnt a perfect world, racism does exist, slavery DID happen (to everyone, it isnt remotely back exclusive) everyone has been a dick to everyone else at one point or another..
but luckily, America has finally come to the point where everyone is on equal ground. You cant use racism as an excuse anymore. racism is not the reason why 30% of blacks live in poverty, its not the reason why the biggest killers of black men are other black men. the real reason is the culture they live in. and its not all of them, but its a too large amount.
yes, every now and then, racism will strike, but its not as big of a problem as people say. and to say its a big reason why blacks and other minorities have a higher poverty rate or a harder time in this country is a narrow minded, claim used to make people feel better and not have to rely as much on self responsibility.
its as ignorant as a trailer trash white fat bastard blaming jews for his poverty.

We are not a post race society yet. Thousands of years of racism doesn't go away over night or when Obama took office. There is still a lot of ways to go. A lot of issues that need to be solved.

there is no such thing. there will never be such a thing. besides the fact i can honestly say ive experienced more openly racist blacks than whites, any anthropologist will tell you race is not skin deep, its body structure, mindset, and (controversial statement ahead, dont take it the wrong way) intelligence. not to mention culture and environmental differences.
instead of viewing everyone as 'the human race' we should acknowledge and work with the differences in race and ethnicity, then you will become a truly tolerant nation. the more you push us together, the more we repel, you have to find the right spot to where we have the perfect pull and push. odd magnetic analogy but you should be able to get my drift.

To say that minorities don't work hard is like breaking a man legs then blaming him for his leg being broken. Its unfair, and frankly exudes a persecution complex.

im not saying because you're of a certain race you dont work hard, i claim that certain races (not the whole race, but a large chunk) have come under mindset that has the consequence that they don't need to work as hard. and i know people are going to impale me on a pike for that, but you people know im right because we over compensated for racism and started pandering.

[b]No one is coming to hurt you. The "scary" black man isn't scary.

i could be a smart ass and post the stat that whites are more likely to be a victim of a black on white crime than the other way around by a significant margin....but im just going to move on.

The woman isn't coming to castrate you and take your stuff. To use this "us vs them" mentality against helping correct problems set in motion in the past is severely paranoid. Around the same level as people who think Red Dawn will happen in 2012. This mentality on the Escapist has to stop because it stopped being cute and is now well into the "creepy" category and getting extremely near "Fox News" level of fear.[/b]

oh good, a fox news joke....nice to see we're aiming high...also red dawn is a movie...just a movie. and a fun one with patrick swayze and the kid from drake and josh.

also im not 'scared of women' im scared people are going to believe these STUPID women who believe they're oppressed or discriminated over the most trivial bullshit. tax payers dont need to pay for your birth control lady, either have some self control or learn to do the 69...which will make both parties happy.

the worst ones are the ones walking around topless with writing in marker on them saying "Still not asking for it" when ...yes....you are.....you honest to god are. no matter how you put it, you're just asking for trouble doing stupid shit like that. if i went around without pants and underwear, i guarantee someone will kick me in the balls.

Also, this 'war on women' thing is nothing more and a left wing media created controversy that didnt exist until they had to get Romney out of the presidential picture.
which is ironic, because the republican politicians actually paid their women more...and hired them more...and bush had more minority cabinet members than Clinton or Obama.

So in short, white [male] privilege is nothing more than a scapegoat to shrug off responsibility, to pander, or to falsely explain stuff that if one where to explain they'd be labeled as a sexiest/racist/bigot/ ect....or a fox news contributor if your on Reddit or the escapist or you think you have a sense of humor. *cough* john Stewart*cough*

also you never did post those Charts and graphs.

Wow. Just... wow. That is the most fearful, reactionary post I ever seen in my entire time on the Escapist. You just went right past creepy. By a mile.

1. Yes. Red Dawn is a movie but there are people who can't tell the difference between 2012 and 1954. The people who seriously believe Russia is still communist and is "plotting" to kill us. Its the reason I equate people scared of women and minorities to be like the people who believe Red Dawn is a prophecy. Its unwarranted fear.

2. Yes, there are studies.

http://www.arc.org/pdf/303pdf.pdf

http://cte.rockhurst.edu/s/945/images/editor_documents/content/PROJECT%20INEQUALITY%20STUDENT%20PAPERS%28Listed%20Alphabetically%20by%20P/rest.pdf

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/fyi/teachers.ednews/08/28/sat.scores/

https://law.wustl.edu/journal/18/p245Wildmanbookpages.pdf

Shapiro, Thomas (2004). "The Hidden Cost of Being African American; How Wealth Perpetuates Inequality." New York: Oxford University Press. p. 144.'

Gordon, Rebecca. 1998. Education and Race. Oakland: Applied Research Center: 48-9; Fischer, Claude S. et al., 1996. (minority students not placed in honors, even with high scores)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16293332

http://www.psupress.org/books/titles/0-271-02253-1.html

http://www.aeaweb.org/articles.php?doi=10.1257/0002828042002561 (job interview discrimination)

Royster, Deirdre A. (2003). "Race and the Invisible Hand." Los Angeles: University of California Press.

Hartnett, William M. "Income Gaps Persist Among Races". Palm Beach Post.

Mason, Patrick L. (May-June, 1998). "Race, Cognitive Ability, and Wage Inequality"
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/40721832?uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101503285347

These are just a few. Done with 10 minutes of search.

3. Pushing people together? Oh right, there is a study for why that is necessary too. People can be racist without knowing it, and researchers recommended that legislation is needed to overcome something like that.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1870408,00.html
http://www.understandingprejudice.org/readroom/articles/affirm.htm

4. You can NEVER ask for rape. If you can't control your own body from hurting others, its your fault and you should get professional help.

Its like saying "That man was JUST ASKING ME to stab him to death! HE HAD NO ARMOR ON! He looked so vulnerable and stabbable!"

Its a terrible argument.

5. The birth control pill ISN'T JUST for sex. It does other stuff too.

http://www.webmd.com/sex/birth-control/features/other-reasons-to-take-the-pill

6. The black on white hate crime is miniscule according to the FBI. 58% of the offenders of hate crime offenders were white. Only 18% were black, and white hate crimes were 1/5th the rate of hate crimes on blacks.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/2010/narratives/hate-crime-2010-victims
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2010-hate-crime-statistics

Number of hate crimes against blacks: 70%
Number of hate crimes against Hispanics: 66%, Not counted as race but as a ethnicity. Different category.
Number of hate crimes against whites: 17%.

So what were you saying about how scary it is to be white?

7. Affirmative action started because a notable lack of minorities being hired. As I said above.

Want to try again? Or are you just going to spout more fear?

Vault101:

Machine Man 1992:

Says the person who obviously couldn't proof read his own post.

Or were you crying too hard to even attempt proper grammar?

me?...crying?

go back and look over your past posts..then tell me who was "crying".I still don't get what your fucking problem is aside is, aside from the fact you don;t like some of the users so you throw a tantrum, any other group you'd like to generalise? women? gay people? people of other race? "gamers"? do you lump most groups together as the same thing because you don't like a few?

my gramma/spelling may not be perfect but I still stand by what I said

Alright, let me explain.

After reviewing the past 13 pages of some of the most asinine, white guilting, creator fellating, pseudo intellectual bullshit, I felt then would have been a good time to unleash a years worth of hate, scorn, and bile upon these cretins.

These jack wads who generalize all players of FPSs as raging homophobes, neo-conservative extremists, as the lowest of the gaming totem pole. I makes me angry.

The Escapist forums are the most homogenized and disgusting forums on teh interwebz, full of idiots who can't not follow the herd like a bunch of sheep in ironic t-shirts. NEWS FLASH! Pointing out the obvious doesn't make you smart! Pointing out that women were oppressed decades ago doesn't make you progressive and labeling yourself a feminist won't make them want to touch your weiner! Pointing out that white people were sonsabitches to black people doesn't make you racially sensitive. Yes, whites were douchebags, and segregation was terrible. But you know what? That was before you lot were even a cumstain on your mama's uterus! ADDENDUM: RACISM AGAINST WHITES IS STILL RACISM. Racism is not okay, it doesn't matter if the party being the jerk is black and the other white, it's still a bad thing.

Oh, and I love how you try to make me sound like a sexist or homophobic, because that just SCREAMS maturity.

Demonio Penguino:

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

And here we have exhibit "A" of the modern gamer: the rabid idiot.
The absolute most common type of modern gamer, traits include raving about how Call of Duty is the greatest game ever and how anyone who says otherwise deserves to die.

Ladies and gentlemen, Exhibit A of the common Escapist member: Traits include a complete inability to grasp the subtleties of sarcasm, despite overwhelming evidence the the "rabid idiot" is TAKING THE PISS!!

Ultratwinkie:

What goal? Fixing social issues to make it a true post-race society? Where skin color has no bearing on anything and race-based poverty is held in the same regard as Malaria epidemics in the American South? A problem that was long ago truly solved?

Yeah. That would be the same goal. Doubt it would happen soon, though.

That sounds lovely.

Guys, seriously LET IT GO! We are accomplishing absolutely nothing here. To anyone reading the post, do yourself a favor, step away from your computer, walk away and cool down for a few minutes. I recommend getting a glass of water. Let the anger seep out. This isn't accomplishing anything other than generating headaches. Come on, we're not enemies here.

I don't expect Yahtzee to care, but he just lost me as a viewer. I don't like any of the Call of Modern Battlefield games, but this review was both unamusing, uninformative, and quite frankly offensive.
Want to complain about racism in games? You can and have made a lot of valid (and witty) arguments. But slinging tired old insults at the very people you should be trying to convince isn't constructive--it's just hateful ranting.
Worse, it's boring hateful ranting that makes you wonder if Yahtzee shouldn't just start yelling at his bathroom mirror instead of an audience.

I'm a right-wing American gun nut who increasingly finds imperialism and racism in video games and movies distasteful. But your tiresome lefty hate-fest almost made me want to buy a game I know I'd hate. Especially once people like Ultratwinkie started chiming in on the "evil white people" angle.
Here's a hint, guys: the majority of people ignore your arguments, not because we're brainwashed by a giant right-wing conspiracy, but because we just don't want to be associated with rude people who brand us "the enemy".

Also Grach: get that game of yours made, and I'll buy it for All My Money.

Machine Man 1992:

Alright, let me explain.

After reviewing the past 13 pages of some of the most asinine, white guilting, creator fellating, pseudo intellectual bullshit, I felt then would have been a good time to unleash a years worth of hate, scorn, and bile upon these cretins.

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ah I see.....all thease nasty different opinions are making you upset,

ok sure I'll roll my eyes when I see this ting has decended into a race debate and I roll my eyes even harder when I see people with the attitude oh YES! yahtzee! I shall not be touching this I don;t play a game unless YOU like it yahtzee naw haw haw haw <-but that not reason to go off on a big old hate rant against the site

These jack wads who generalize all players of FPSs as raging homophobes, neo-conservative extremists, as the lowest of the gaming totem pole. I makes me angry.

all FPS players? I think you mean "COD/modern military" players, because they do not represent the FPS genre as a whole (only whats popular right now) and yeah that sucks...I mean apasrently I'm awful because I like AAA games and am not shouting from my lawn at how awful games are today and pining for the days of complex slow number crunching games on my computer

yes there is a bias but not everyone thinks that (or is too much of an ass to think that)

The Escapist forums are the most homogenized and disgusting forums on teh interwebz, full of idiots who can't not follow the herd like a bunch of sheep in ironic t-shirts.

I used to get bothered by the "opinion hivemind" too...but then I realised its kind of pointless, it doesnt matter...dicks are dicks, again NOT everyone thinks the same..but they are however allowed to dislike the things you dislike

NEWS FLASH! Pointing out the obvious doesn't make you smart! Pointing out that women were oppressed decades ago doesn't make you progressive and labeling yourself a feminist won't make them want to touch your weiner!

yes because thats OBVIOUSLY why they say thease things...on the internet, men can't self identify as feminists because only women can do that because we are suposed to be locked in a gender battle for all eterinity?

its just an opinion you don't like

Pointing out that white people were sonsabitches to black people doesn't make you racially sensitive. Yes, whites were douchebags, and segregation was terrible. But you know what? That was before you lot were even a cumstain on your mama's uterus! ADDENDUM: RACISM AGAINST WHITES IS STILL RACISM. Racism is not okay, it doesn't matter if the party being the jerk is black and the other white, it's still a bad thing.

while that is a point on the otherside of things theres always people who will foul and try and play victem...like mens rights talking about the evil feminists holding them down, but this isn't even what we are talking about

I don't know the context of that response but again...its an opinion you don't like

Oh, and I love how you try to make me sound like a sexist or homophobic, because that just SCREAMS maturity.

*facepalm* you.....telling ME about maturity- oh nevermind

I wasn;t actually, my point was you thourght it was OK to insult, generalise and overall say some awful stupid things and apply to it to ALL of us...probably because we are only an internet forum...kind of like what you said above "hate and generalisations amongst a group is still hate and generalisation and not ok" if you saw somone say such things about another group (like the ones I mentioned) you'd probably think them a fucking 9racist/homophobe/mysoganist) idiot...or mabye just a plain idiot

my point is if you feel the need to rant and get angry thats perfectly fine..just don;t be an ass about it because people will respond

EDIT: and Demonio Penguino's comment pissed me off as well

The campaign was 'eh', better then the other Cods, but nothing magnificent.

The Multiplayer is really fun, having a blast playing around with it whenever I can. Honestly, I reckon for the next CoD they could just release a Multiplayer without any singleplayer campaign and it'd sell like wild-fire still - people would probably like it more too, as there wouldn't be any shoe-horned in campaign for people to bitch about.

As for the rest of the thread... WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU ALL ARGUING ABOUT? Just... stop, back away from the keyboard and stay away from the internet for a good 2-3 hours. Seriously, a 'discussion' (I use that term loosely, as this is the internet) about race/racism on the internet never ends well, because everyone refuses to accept the possibility of them being wrong. We've just gone through 14 pages of this bullshit, and if we don't stop soon we'll go through another 14 without any significant changes.

Please, don't argue about race/racism and all that bullshit on the internet. All it does is make everyone have a bad time.

altereggo:
I don't expect Yahtzee to care, but he just lost me as a viewer. I don't like any of the Call of Modern Battlefield games, but this review was both unamusing, uninformative, and quite frankly offensive.
Want to complain about racism in games? You can and have made a lot of valid (and witty) arguments. But slinging tired old insults at the very people you should be trying to convince isn't constructive--it's just hateful ranting.
Worse, it's boring hateful ranting that makes you wonder if Yahtzee shouldn't just start yelling at his bathroom mirror instead of an audience.

I'm a right-wing American gun nut who increasingly finds imperialism and racism in video games and movies distasteful. But your tiresome lefty hate-fest almost made me want to buy a game I know I'd hate. Especially once people like Ultratwinkie started chiming in on the "evil white people" angle.
Here's a hint, guys: the majority of people ignore your arguments, not because we're brainwashed by a giant right-wing conspiracy, but because we just don't want to be associated with rude people who brand us "the enemy".

Also Grach: get that game of yours made, and I'll buy it for All My Money.

I am not saying white people are evil. I am saying that in a statistical setting, they are less effected by issues like racism. Which is what White Privilege is, it only exists in a statistical setting as shorthand for why there are racial discrepancies. Which is a fact that has been repeated from most universities who study the subject and a litany of studies I just finished posting.

So stow the "woe is me" attitude because its not working. No one is after you, no one is coming to take your shit. All that is reactionary bullshit to try to justify a reaction to an event that isn't happening.

This goes beyond party lines, this is a debate of pure facts. Politics have no place here, because political labels and ideals are always bullshit. I don't care what side you're on, I care about facts.

Vault101:

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You're trying to scrutinize angry ranting made in the middle of the night from someone who has completely stopped giving a shit about what some punk-tard on the intertubes says.

This is not a fight you're going to win.

Ultratwinkie:
I don't care what side you're on, I care about facts.

And the best way to prepare people to listen to your facts is with massive rants about how all the people who disagree with you are awful fox news watching braindead redneck zombies. Oh, and there was also something about us sticking to our armchairs, or something? Not quite sure what his insult was about there.
Please note that I'm talking about Yahtzee, not you. All I'm accusing you of is coming out swinging the "white privilege" club at people who don't think his language is called for.

I'm sorry. We all know the world has problems. We all know it's not fair. But when I hear people say "maybe people should be sent to prison for writing anti-social things on Twitter. It would teach them a lesson", I kinda lose interest in hearing the rest of their solutions, you know?
I'm closeted at work, and before the election I had to listen to three Daily Kos reading coworkers sagely inform me that reintroducing slavery is part of the secret republican platform. What do pure facts matter when you're dealing with people who treat their "progressive" agenda like a Holy Crusade?

Machine Man 1992:

You're trying to scrutinize angry ranting made in the middle of the night from someone who has completely stopped giving a shit about what some punk-tard on the intertubes says.

This is not a fight you're going to win.

so essentially you admit it was bullshit?

altereggo:

Ultratwinkie:
I don't care what side you're on, I care about facts.

And the best way to prepare people to listen to your facts is with massive rants about how all the people who disagree with you are awful fox news watching braindead redneck zombies. Oh, and there was also something about us sticking to our armchairs, or something? Not quite sure what his insult was about there.
Please note that I'm talking about Yahtzee, not you. All I'm accusing you of is coming out swinging the "white privilege" club at people who don't think his language is called for.

I'm sorry. We all know the world has problems. We all know it's not fair. But when I hear people say "maybe people should be sent to prison for writing anti-social things on Twitter. It would teach them a lesson", I kinda lose interest in hearing the rest of their solutions, you know?
I'm closeted at work, and before the election I had to listen to three Daily Kos reading coworkers sagely inform me that reintroducing slavery is part of the secret republican platform. What do pure facts matter when you're dealing with people who treat their "progressive" agenda like a Holy Crusade?

I never said anything like that.

The only reason I used Fox News as an example is because they have a habit of evoking a sense of apocalypse.

Every week, a new doom that will be upon us by the morrow.

Which is exactly what the Escapist has been doing of late.

How will women send us to work camps in Siberia?

How will Intel kill PC gaming?

How Microsoft is in league with apple to control our digital lives?

Every week, something new that Escapists are automatically afraid of.

Now was Yahtzee crude? Yes, he could have put everything differently. Hell, he could have brought up the disgraced Oliver North, who endorsed the game, and how he technically betrayed America by going over the government's head and sold weapons to Iran. Same thing.

Getting Oliver North to endorse a military shooter is like asking Charles Manson to endorse a game about murder... and act like its a badge of honor.

Basically, his message is that Blops II is turning us into those "creepy white guys" who think America will be invaded by an Mexican-Kenyan alliance. You know, the people who believe "Red Dawn" could still happen. He also claimed we are becoming "armchair generals" which is a word used for amateur strategists, and sometimes used as an insult for someone who has no real world knowledge of military strategy but still runs his mouth based off what he seen in military shooters.

Which is real criticism of fictionalized combat, since guns aren't 100% accurate and war isn't cinematic. Yet people believe they are because COD claims to be realistic. People see a real soldier in combat and they ask "why isn't he bunny hopping and quick scoping?" People can't differentiate fiction and reality when it comes to guns because gun knowledge isn't wide spread.

He could have made his case that Blops II glorifying a dark chapter in American history is in poor taste much more clearly. And he would be right since military shooters are starting to go from "over the top military fun" to practically jerking off to war crimes and suffering of the vulnerable nations. In a story mode that is completely optional no less.

Yet with Yahtzee bringing up the existence of racism, I seen Escapists say its all "fake" and just "minority laziness." That's where I take issue, since its a real problem in this unfair world. Others say that the purpose of the topic is to "guilt tip" white people and not solve anything. Which isn't the case.

Guilt solves nothing. We won't feel better if we guilt trip someone. We will feel better when its solved and we can put it all the negativity behind us. That's what people are asking for, solutions. Not guilt.

Ultratwinkie:
He could have made his case that Blops II glorifying a dark chapter in American history is in poor taste much more clearly.

And (and this is my sole original point), he could have done it without attacking 40% of Americans as a pointless, boring preamble. Most of whom have probably never played the game, and wouldn't like it if they had. Like I said, he made his case so badly he almost had me supporting the game.

Guilt solves nothing. We won't feel better if we guilt trip someone. We will feel better when its solved and we can put it all the negativity behind us. That's what people are asking for, solutions. Not guilt.

Guilt is a weapon used to stop people opposing the wielder's agenda. It's the left's version of "why do you hate America?". It stifles debate, and lets the accuser do whatever they want in the name of "solving the problems your skin color/gender/nose shape is responsible for".

People can't differentiate fiction and reality when it comes to guns because gun knowledge isn't wide spread.

Yes. That's something we're trying to cure over here with proper weapons education and familiarization. Generations of people have been brainwashed into believing that war is a noble and good, as long as you ban "barbaric" weapons like cluster bombs. Learning the martial arts is essential to truly understand the horrors of using violence to control people.

An episode of Zero Punctuation where the comments have reached almost 500?

I bet people are just discussing in a totally pleasant manner about how well made the video was, and how far Yahtzee has come as a reviewer in the past 5 years.

Yup, I bet there are no arguments or non-sequiturs in this thread at all. Just good solid chat about Zero Punctuation.

altereggo:

Ultratwinkie:
He could have made his case that Blops II glorifying a dark chapter in American history is in poor taste much more clearly.

And (and this is my sole original point), he could have done it without attacking 40% of Americans as a pointless, boring preamble. Most of whom have probably never played the game, and wouldn't like it if they had. Like I said, he made his case so badly he almost had me supporting the game.

Guilt solves nothing. We won't feel better if we guilt trip someone. We will feel better when its solved and we can put it all the negativity behind us. That's what people are asking for, solutions. Not guilt.

Guilt is a weapon used to stop people opposing the wielder's agenda. It's the left's version of "why do you hate America?". It stifles debate, and lets the accuser do whatever they want in the name of "solving the problems your skin color/gender/nose shape is responsible for".

People can't differentiate fiction and reality when it comes to guns because gun knowledge isn't wide spread.

Yes. That's something we're trying to cure over here with proper weapons education and familiarization. Generations of people have been brainwashed into believing that war is a noble and good, as long as you ban "barbaric" weapons like cluster bombs. Learning the martial arts is essential to truly understand the horrors of using violence to control people.

ugh. Again with party ideology.

Why would we keep racism around to guilt people? Because we like it? Because we like rotting in jail and living stifled lives? Because it gives us power from some magic source?

No. because that is a bad arguement. A straw man. Its like saying gays are gay because its a hot thing that makes them untouchable politically. It isn't.

There is no minority agenda.

There is no gay agenda.

there is no woman agenda.

That would imply we are an organized group. No, we aren't.

There are just political agendas. From political parties that can't just sit on issues important to their base.

If what you say is true that we are "running wild," then show me where minorities have it so much better consistently. You can't, because its a fantasy.

Why would we want to deal with people like Joe Arpaio?

Why would we want to deal with racist laws?

Why would we want to deal with a 66/70% hate crime rate?

For a political perk that doesn't exist, and even if it did would be outweighed by the racism itself?

Who would benefit from it if it isn't even the rich and famous people at this cabal of minorities?

Would would a political party sit on a problem that is make or break for them?

I'm finished with this. You're not even reading my posts, are you?

Yes, political elites benefit from being able to pass ridiculous laws without being questioned. They benefit from getting control over big chunks of taxpayer money that they can dole out to political supporters and poor dependent voters, just like they have done ever since politics was invented. No, they don't really care about solving the actual problems.

When people start asking questions like "how is that $54,000,000 for 'violence prevention in Chicago' actually being spent?", it's easy to accuse them of wanting black people dead to deflect their question. After all, you can't say "I blew the cash handing out jobs and gifts to win me my last election", can you?
Just like it's easy to attack people who question insane spending on military contractors by yelling "well, obviously you're on the terrorists' side! U dern't suppert ur trups!". Because saying "Lockheed Martin will put me on their board of directors when I quit politics" sounds pretty bad.

Guilt and accusations of guilt-by-association are useful political weapons, and always have been. End of story.
We're done. Let's get back to gaming. I still haven't finished X-COM '94.

Muspelheim:

Do I get to obliterate tiny grey specks that can't shoot back from a flying robot again, by any chance?

Need I remind you, sir, that while the enemy couldn't shoot back, they could shoot the people you were protecting, causing you to fail the mission? I know I failed that section 15-20 times on Veteran difficulty. And why doesn't the original Modern Warfare ever get called out on its own (significantly easier) AC-130 section?

I am a white male. Can someone please let me know what the fuck I can do to end the centuries of hate, slavery, and oppression? Oh wait, maybe I should just feel really bad, then slit my wrists so the ratio (white fucks:all the other fucks) can be a little more even. Well, I'm off... wish me luck...

I am a white male. Can someone please let me know what the fuck I can do to end the centuries of hate, slavery, and oppression? Oh wait, maybe I should just feel really bad, then slit my wrists so the ratio (white fucks:all the other fucks) can be a little more even. Well, I'm off... wish me luck...

Vault101:

Machine Man 1992:

You're trying to scrutinize angry ranting made in the middle of the night from someone who has completely stopped giving a shit about what some punk-tard on the intertubes says.

This is not a fight you're going to win.

so essentially you admit it was bullshit?

Honestly, I'm surprised it took you this long to figure it out.

YES. It was bullshit. I was irritated by everyone in this thread and I was venting.

The raging idiocy in this topic has gone beyond critical mass, and it's only because it's published content that the comments haven't been mod-locked.

TAdamson:

Much like in BlOps 1 the protagonists are the sort of people who were probably actively engineering the sale of cocaine and heroin to sponsor anticommunist activity. But no. In COD world Americans don't do that sort of thing.

Technically, they didn't do it in the whole Iran-Contra mess either. They sold weapons to Iran at a markup, and took that markup and funneled it to the Contras who used it to buy weapons.

The other complication was using arms sales to Iran as a means of getting hostages released in the Middle East.

Yes, the Contras were funded by drug running, and the US did give them money seized from drug dealers, but active facilitation by the United States was... difficult to prove.

And it's not like the Sandinistas were a pack of angels themselves. Thousands of people murdered, vanished, or tortured to support the Revolution doesn't exactly leave me sympathetic to their cause. We had no business supporting the Contras, of course, who were mostly a pack of disaffected thugs from the former regime (at least initially), but there was that all-pervasive fear of the Domino Effect still lingering in those days.

Then again, given the current situation in South America, maybe they were on to something...

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