Zero Punctuation: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

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The "minorities are the enemy" thing is annoying in the vast majority of military shooters, but honestly I think Yahtzee's just being lazy when he applies it to this one. While CoDBlops2 does employ a lot of non-white people as enemies, it's strongly implied throughout the game that the reason that these non-whites decided to gang up on the US is that the CIA and the US military have been fucking up their countries for the past few decades. Blops2 actually tries to be historically grounded, and let's be honest here: there are a lot of countries with non-whites that the US did a lot of damage to in the Cold War.

Honestly, the game does a pretty decent job at creating enemies with legitimate reasons to be enemies. It even develops the story in a way that drives a "the actions of our military and CIA often have unintended consequences" theme by expanding the main antagonist's backstory over time and showing just how much reason he has to hate us.

On another note, Blops2 was the least-linear modern military arcade shooter I've played in a long time. I get the feeling that instead of playing the game and then developing appropriate criticisms, he recycled his standard (and usually accurate) set of criticisms for shooters, and then tried to apply Blops2 to them.

superspartan004:
Did he seriously say the camo was useless? I found it so game breaking that I stopped playing it because I ran through the whole level and didn't get shot once.

I'm guessing he tried it once (when you first get it, and then get EMP'd or something as soon as you walk through the first door), gave up on it, and based his claim on just that one time. I like Yahtzee's reviews, but sometimes it's pretty clear he doesn't really give the games an honest playthrough before he reviews them.

In this thread: Millenials discover white guilt and outrage after learning world history from Seth McFarlane.

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

this man is completely right. we need more people like you reviewing games.

Aah that was beautiful, just... beautiful. I get the feeling Yahtzee is starting to get tired of these yearly copy-pastes by now, and the people who keep buying them, causing the industry to release another one next year.

"Why all the hate on CoD? It's a decent game, and the multiplayer is fun! Also, did I mention I have no standards for quality whatsoever?"
"But I don't like challenge, it's so much easier to have the game hold my hand every step of the way instead of actually being expected to overcome obstacles!"
"Oops, my brain fell out again!"

Seriously, PLEASE stop buying these fucking things, you guys have got like 5 of the same game now... it's enough. We've all had enough. The game industry is not to blame anymore, YOU are. You, the consumer. Complaining ain't gonna do shit if you keep buying them anyway. Vote with your wallet people, please.

Yahtzee,

Political discourse does not suit you, especially when you're wrong about half the time.

Yahtzee has imbibed white guilt so strongly he complains when a story doesn't punish whites for imagined evils or portrays non-whites as anything but righteous and pure.

How are whites privileged? Under the law, it's illegal for a business to be all-white. Whites are forced to disfavor our people under threat-of-violence from the state. Whites are robbed through the issuance of new currency to pay for non-white housing, food, electricity, cell phones, plasma tvs, lobster dinners, schooling, medical care, and any other thing non-whites want. Meanwhile whites are robbed, assaulted, raped, and murdered by non-whites (excluding asians) disproportionately. Yet if a white man so much as is accused of saying an ill word against another race he risks imprisonment. In Yahtzee's jolly old England it's legal for muslim women to beat a white woman while screaming "kill the slag" but if a white mother expresses concern about her son growing up in such an environment she'll be held prisoner, fined, and her son kidnapped by the state.

You want to talk about slavery? You know who practiced slavery? Everyone. You know who was the first people to decide slavery was wrong and they wouldn't practice it anymore? Whites. Slavery is still practiced today in northern africa by jews and arabs, as it has been for generations, and there are more north-african slaves today than there ever were slaves in a european nation, canada, or the USA. In the UK pakistani and other foreigners have run child prostitution rings. But I'm sure that makes Yahtzee happy as long as the slaves are white.

As for homosexuals, his argument is entirely factitious and he knows it. Groups like GLAD argue for the state compelling churches by threat of force to issue marriage contracts to pairs of men and pairs of women. Yet in another section of Yahtzee's disconnected beliefs I'm sure he'd say there should be separation between church and state.

Man I am getting tired of this shit... America is not evil and racist! Not any more than any other country at least, probably less so actually. This ridiculous idea, that enshrines bullying of any white american regardless of actual character, IS f@#$ing racism.

I don't even play these first person shooters normally and it's a simple game that is obviously catering to military and secret agent drama which fits the style well, those of whom who enjoy that probably like the American military for their own reasons and are incidentally mostly white because that's what the population is. If you don't like that, well I guess people are different and you aren't the King. Reality bites sometimes.

People are free to like what they want. If you want others to respect your preference maybe you should respect them in the first place instead of drawing a line in the sand. At least Movie Bob attempts to look at things a tad more objectively, but his preaching is getting on my damn nerves too.

Maybe if Yahtzee spent less of his time being jealous of America's inherited wealth, masturbating to Theif 2 and Valve, and deriving an unhealthy amount of pleasure from acting like a troll so he can feel good about himself while wannabe trolls cheer him on, he might actually get a taste of why multiplayer games are fun, and develop the art of learning to coexist with people who are different. And if anyone is gonna call me a hypocrite for this part, I'm deliberately including it to show 2 can play this game, but it's better to let people enjoy what they like in peace.

I like Yahtzee, he's a witty, cynical, and skilled writer with a working knowledge of game design and penchant for third person solo player and indie games. And I like Movie Bob too. My kind of people most of the time. But I'm getting tired of both of their reviews being harsh judgement of the people who enjoy the games rather than the game/subject itself.

Brockyman:
Yahtzee,

Political discourse does not suit you, especially when you're wrong about half the time.

You could say that trashing games and fictional storylines and characters are no issue, there's no need to be factual or objective when talking about a video game, but bringing in that same attitude to real world social political issues will not happen without stepping on a lot of people's toes, then again he has done this before and not many complain when the target is say ghetto culture

Saw this shit-dumping coming as soon as I looked at the title.

Now I shall attempt to send people running, screaming, to whimper in a tight fetal position in the nearest corner with a few observations: 1) if games like this didn't sell so well, game companies wouldn't bother making them (what does this say about the game community as a whole?); 2) if you think companies that churn out this crap are stupid, look at your average gamer's wallet and then look at the game company's wallet and ask yourself which of those two has the most money in the wallet; 3) which of the two parties mentioned in point 2 keeps throwing their money to whom, regardless of how they are treated or what they are given?

Just as a note, I have never owned any game in this series or any other game in its category, and I never will.

Yahtzee is hilarious, but I really wish he'd knock it off with the political shit. There's no benefit to bringing it up here, no-one's minds are changed and both sides just spew venom at one another.

Also, I thought it was pretty obvious that Eagle's screwing around. He had me going for the first half of the paragraph, but that bit at the end with the 'amazingly amazing amazing amazing' was practically him shouting 'I'M MAKING THIS UP'.

Arren Kae:
Yahtzee has imbibed white guilt so strongly he complains when a story doesn't punish whites for imagined evils or portrays non-whites as anything but righteous and pure.

How are whites privileged? Under the law, it's illegal for a business to be all-white. Whites are forced to disfavor our people under threat-of-violence from the state. Whites are robbed through the issuance of new currency to pay for non-white housing, food, electricity, cell phones, plasma tvs, lobster dinners, schooling, medical care, and any other thing non-whites want. Meanwhile whites are robbed, assaulted, raped, and murdered by non-whites (excluding asians) disproportionately. Yet if a white man so much as is accused of saying an ill word against another race he risks imprisonment. In Yahtzee's jolly old England it's legal for muslim women to beat a white woman while screaming "kill the slag" but if a white mother expresses concern about her son growing up in such an environment she'll be held prisoner, fined, and her son kidnapped by the state.

You want to talk about slavery? You know who practiced slavery? Everyone. You know who was the first people to decide slavery was wrong and they wouldn't practice it anymore? Whites. Slavery is still practiced today in northern africa by jews and arabs, as it has been for generations, and there are more north-african slaves today than there ever were slaves in a european nation, canada, or the USA. In the UK pakistani and other foreigners have run child prostitution rings. But I'm sure that makes Yahtzee happy as long as the slaves are white.

As for homosexuals, his argument is entirely factitious and he knows it. Groups like GLAD argue for the state compelling churches by threat of force to issue marriage contracts to pairs of men and pairs of women. Yet in another section of Yahtzee's disconnected beliefs I'm sure he'd say there should be separation between church and state.

Exactly.

And the ban on games or movies of certain content or production is a similar state enforced preference, to cure some "ill" that one group of busybodies decided everyone else needs to abide by.

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

I applaud you for walking the fine line between fanboys and haters. You sir, are an internetic marvel. (no that isn't a real word)

Well, that was....odd.

Not sure when Yahtzee was either talking about the game, using stock arguments, or on a weird political rant. Kind of mess really.

Hopefully next week is better.

Andy Shandy:
I'd have to disagree with Yahtzee here, I found Blops II quite enjoyable.

Although he is definitely right about Tony Todd having an obsession with the word "cocksucker"

Yes, Black Ops II's story was surprisingly well-written. I've seen better, but not in a Call of Duty game. Also I hate Briggs. As soon as it gave me the option to kill the "cocksucker" I couldn't have shot him directly in the head fast enough.

Heh. I think Yahtzee said: "I hate this game. And no matter what I say, someone's going to accuse me of not giving it a fair shot, of hating the genre, blah blah blah. A'right then," <loads shotgun> "let's do this."

So with the full disclosure that I'm inclined to agree with what Yahtzee said viz. American military techno-fetishism, I thought this review was fantastic.

anonymity88:
Well BlOps 1 finally broke CoD's magic spell on me so I was never hopeful about this game. Seems like I was right not to be. Guess I'll just get Dishonored for Christmas.

Heh... if you think Blops 2 is a waste of money, I suggest renting Dishonored before buying it for good... unless you already did try it and enjoyed it, in which case, do enjoy.

Pretty cool. These videos don't make me laugh like they used to though..

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

You're trying too hard.

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

God I hope you're taking the piss.

ARCTIC_EAGLE:

RaikuFA:

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
Wow, worst review EVER! Any professional review would give this game, the most amazing in history, a 90-100 or 4/5. Every single part of this game is new and interesting and amazing, you're inability to recognize that demonstrates how bad you are at reviewing. When COD:B03 comes out in 2 years you can correct you mistake by giving it a 90-100 like every other reviewer will. Be sure to do the same for COD:MW4, COD:MW5, COD:BO4, COD:MW6, etc. They will ALL be amazing and look amazing and just be more amazing then the amazingly amazing game that came before. In fact they'll be so amazing they'll amaze you into an amazement coma of amazement.

I hate the fact that I'm gonna be the one to break it to you but...

A lot of people are getting sick of spunkgargleweewee. The bubble's about to burst. The only reason reviewers give them high scores is cause they get paid for them. BTW Santa ain't real.

is that why COD:BO2 is the best selling in the COD franchise? Go back to your basement and let the real gamers enjoy the best game ever made, COD:BO2.

The bold bit, I laughed. hard.

If you came to this site seeking like minded people (into MMS) your kinda on the wrong site, your more likely to find people bending such games over a rail for 'being the same brown boring bullshit over and over' like Madden, but with guns I suppose.

Also, since your apparently new here. This is kinda Yahtzee's thing. He very rarely, gives any game a positive 'review', even Skyrim got reamed when it came out , so .... get used to it, cause he's gonna do it again when the next Call of Modern Battlefield: Duty edition comes out, sure as the tides.

Gearhead mk2:

cyvaris:

Gearhead mk2:
In fairness, when America stops making midless racist pro-imperlist America Fuck Yeah games where the main goal is to protect America from any arab or russian that looks at the US funny, he'll probably stop complaning about them.

So never?

Yeah, prettymuch. I hate humanity sometimes...

Ok, a couple of video game companies do not represent the political views of the American government, or the general population. Just because they're American companies doesn't mean that "America is making them". I would also like to point out that Valve is an American company, as is Bethesda and Obsidian.

Also, I have to shake my head a little. Games that you don't like are popular and because of that you hate Humanity? You're seriously overreacting man.

Cecilthedarkknight_234:
That's not fair Ben, I only play this for the multi player pfttt, this is no longer valid argument. Oh I miss the old days of playing shooter game while having fun.

Treblaine:
Hmm, didn't even mention Zombies or Multiplayer.

When that is all ANYONE ELSE is talking about and pretty much the entire reason for the series success. Seriously, hardly anyone gives a shit about the single player.

Serious now: did I miss the memo when he said he categorically refuses to consider multiplayer, because he didn't state anything like that since he reviewed the ONLINE GAME of DayZ only 2 months ago.

you must have missed yatzee's memo about multiplayer in games. If your only selling point is just multiplayer then you are doing it wrong. A fps game needs a strong single player campaign to stand on it's and engage you with a compelling story.

Hence the part where I ask why did he review DayZ where the "only selling point is just multiplayer".

Also, is Team Fortress 2 "doing it wrong"? Is Left 4 Dead 2 "doing it wrong"? Valve just blew your single-player mandate out the water.

Seriously: where is the part where Yahtzee categorically dismisses ALL multiplayer from his consideration? Because that's not very helpful and unfairly dismissive of so many Valve games which he is in admiration of.

Yes, games can have story. But it's just as arbitrary to say a game must have a story as to say it should not have a story. The important thing is that a game is a game and consider them as they are.

Minecraft is a brilliant and moving game solo, but it's also the case with online. You cannot completely ignore online.

I don't care if he gives Black Ops 2 a scathing review, but he should have considered or at least acknowledged it's main selling points which would be the multiplayer and Zombies component.

Reviewing ONLY Black Ops 2's singleplayer is as bad as reviewing ONLY the multiplayer portion of Bioshock 2... multiplayer is clearly a tacked on rush job for Bioshock 2, equally so with Black Ops 2's single-player.

Look at the TV ad for Black Ops 2. They all focus on the multiplayer, nary a mention of a singleplayer.

EDIT: I'm agaisnt games with a lack of focus. But the problem with COD is not the multiplayer distracting from the single-player, but from the single-player distracting from the multiplayer component.

I have a confession to make. I actually don't hate the CoD games.

They aren't great, not by a long shot, but I have played every one, and they're so well-made that I always play the next one, even if i know it isn't going to push any envelopes.

And Yahtzee, I think you're reading a bit too much into things. Accusing Treyarch of being white supremacists because they don't go out of their way to shoehorn multiculturality into a game is retarded.

ZZoMBiE13:
No mention of the ZOMBIEs eh?

No, thank goodness...

erttheking:

Ok, a couple of video game companies do not represent the political views of the American government, or the general population. Just because they're American companies doesn't mean that "America is making them". I would also like to point out that Valve is an American company, as is Bethesda and Obsidian.

Also, I have to shake my head a little. Games that you don't like are popular and because of that you hate Humanity? You're seriously overreacting man.

And in the multiplayer HALF THE TIME you are going to be playing as "the bad guys" killing "the good guys". Because it's random which team you end up in, no one cops out of playing because they didn't end up on the American side.

This undue focus by certain critics on the singleplayer is disingenuous, yes it is shit and goes to a whole new level of political incorrectness but people don't care about that. They go straight to the multiplayer, that's what everyone raves about and they don't care if they play as Americans or as the "enemies of America".

There is SOMETHING TO SAY about the multiplayer, and come on Yahtzee, you have been forced to play through worse games than Black Ops 2's multiplayer and Zombies and still done reviews. I want a review of the multiplayer, good or bad, there is something to say about it.

ZippyDSMlee:
Least it still have the fun zombie mini game?

Yay, just like every other game on the planet...

Gorumgol:
I'm sad he didn't mention that Activision hired a war criminal to advertise this game for them.

Who was this war criminal?

Oh. Never mind...

Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

Sylocat:

ZippyDSMlee:
Least it still have the fun zombie mini game?

Yay, just like every other game on the planet...

Ya but killing zombies with ex US Presidents or drunken Russians is fun tho!

Wow Yahtzee reviewed a CoD game, hated it and never played MP or Zombies I'm so shocked. /sarcasm
I honestly think this may be the only ZP were I didn't laugh once and the fact that I like the game has very little to do with it, plenty of his reviews have ripped into games I like more then CoD and still been funny, but this one wasn't. He starts the review with personal attacks on people who like things he doesn't and never stops, using terms that I'm sure his mindless fanboys will be parroting for months to come, he then does his normal paranoid "CoD is racist" rant he does in every modern military shooter review, he then launches directly into his gun owners/Americans/Christians hate trifecta, and its just generally not funny to listen to him go on venomous political hate trips. I watch ZP for the comedy if I wanted a guy to tell me that everyone who has a different opinion is shit and wrong I would watch the news.

People, he hates competitive multiplayer. That's why he reviews MMO's, you can completely ignore everyone and play as loner, which I did also when playing MMO's.

To be fair though, he shouldn't review spunkgargleweewee games anymore. All his political bias and hatred for the US military complex is getting in the way of actual gameplay criticism. Yeh, I'm also with the guys sick of hearing him just vomit all over the US just because.

Before anyone says so, I'm south american and I don't think the US is evil. I used to, but they seem to be more like bizarro, trying to help but somewhat unsuccesful. If you want to talk evil then, look at Israel or North Korea or African Warlords.

Edit: Actually screw that. Carry on Yahtzee.

NAdducci:
Man I am getting tired of this shit... America is not evil and racist! Not any more than any other country at least, probably less so actually. This ridiculous idea, that enshrines bullying of any white american regardless of actual character, IS f@#$ing racism.

I don't even play these first person shooters normally and it's a simple game that is obviously catering to military and secret agent drama which fits the style well, those of whom who enjoy that probably like the American military for their own reasons and are incidentally mostly white because that's what the population is. If you don't like that, well I guess people are different and you aren't the King. Reality bites sometimes.

People are free to like what they want. If you want others to respect your preference maybe you should respect them in the first place instead of drawing a line in the sand. At least Movie Bob attempts to look at things a tad more objectively, but his preaching is getting on my damn nerves too.

Maybe if Yahtzee spent less of his time being jealous of America's inherited wealth, masturbating to Theif 2 and Valve, and deriving an unhealthy amount of pleasure from acting like a troll so he can feel good about himself while wannabe trolls cheer him on, he might actually get a taste of why multiplayer games are fun, and develop the art of learning to coexist with people who are different. And if anyone is gonna call me a hypocrite for this part, I'm deliberately including it to show 2 can play this game, but it's better to let people enjoy what they like in peace.

I like Yahtzee, he's a witty, cynical, and skilled writer with a working knowledge of game design and penchant for third person solo player and indie games. And I like Movie Bob too. My kind of people most of the time. But I'm getting tired of both of their reviews being harsh judgement of the people who enjoy the games rather than the game/subject itself.

I've always had an issue with the notion that one cannot be criticized for liking something. If that object has unfortunate implications, low quality in innovation or especially troubling aspects in its online community, what does that say about the individual who chooses to enjoy it?

There is a definite link between what the game is and what the community is; look towards attitudes online if you want any proof of concept. Also, most of the online community is white because they are the ones buying consoles. Why do they do that? Because they have the money. It's not "white guilt," it's fact.

I'm a born-into-wealth white guy and I reject the notion that I am responsible for the past. I am, however, responsible for the present and the future. Don't use the fact that people point out our ancestor's actions as an excuse to disengage.

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

Shhh we don't talk about that.

ZZoMBiE13:
No mention of the ZOMBIEs eh?

Why would he bother? At this stage zombie modes in a CoD game just go without saying to the point that they're as much a part of the game as grenades. They neither add to nor detract from the game.

Arren Kae:
snip

Projecting much?

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

You can throw up all the cherrypicked right wing rag articles about "reverse racism" and "scary black people" you like. It isn't in any way comparable to institutionalized racism, still inherent in the Western system as it was build by the white man and by far and large still works in favor for him both on the small and large scale.

You are just using stuff like that an convenient excuse to ignore this fact (and doesn't it sort of imply you believe one wrong justifies another?)

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