Zero Punctuation: Call of Duty: Black Ops 2

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Treblaine:

Cecilthedarkknight_234:
That's not fair Ben, I only play this for the multi player pfttt, this is no longer valid argument. Oh I miss the old days of playing shooter game while having fun.

Treblaine:
Hmm, didn't even mention Zombies or Multiplayer.

When that is all ANYONE ELSE is talking about and pretty much the entire reason for the series success. Seriously, hardly anyone gives a shit about the single player.

Serious now: did I miss the memo when he said he categorically refuses to consider multiplayer, because he didn't state anything like that since he reviewed the ONLINE GAME of DayZ only 2 months ago.

you must have missed yatzee's memo about multiplayer in games. If your only selling point is just multiplayer then you are doing it wrong. A fps game needs a strong single player campaign to stand on it's and engage you with a compelling story.

Hence the part where I ask why did he review DayZ where the "only selling point is just multiplayer".

Also, is Team Fortress 2 "doing it wrong"? Is Left 4 Dead 2 "doing it wrong"? Valve just blew your single-player mandate out the water.

Seriously: where is the part where Yahtzee categorically dismisses ALL multiplayer from his consideration? Because that's not very helpful and unfairly dismissive of so many Valve games which he is in admiration of.

Yes, games can have story. But it's just as arbitrary to say a game must have a story as to say it should not have a story. The important thing is that a game is a game and consider them as they are.

Minecraft is a brilliant and moving game solo, but it's also the case with online. You cannot completely ignore online.

I don't care if he gives Black Ops 2 a scathing review, but he should have considered or at least acknowledged it's main selling points which would be the multiplayer and Zombies component.

Reviewing ONLY Black Ops 2's singleplayer is as bad as reviewing ONLY the multiplayer portion of Bioshock 2... multiplayer is clearly a tacked on rush job for Bioshock 2, equally so with Black Ops 2's single-player.

Look at the TV ad for Black Ops 2. They all focus on the multiplayer, nary a mention of a singleplayer.

EDIT: I'm agaisnt games with a lack of focus. But the problem with COD is not the multiplayer distracting from the single-player, but from the single-player distracting from the multiplayer component.

He argued this exactly:

A game like CoD or Battlefield that supposedly only emphasizes multiplayer shouldn't have a single player campaign at all, and only cost half price, like what TF2 did. If you are going to claim that the single player is every bit as important (which Activision does), then expect it to be reviewed as such.

He has nothing against online only games, he has something against Multiplayer focused games charging full price, and using a flimsy single player campaign to justify it.

Grach:
People, he hates competitive multiplayer. That's why he reviews MMO's, you can completely ignore everyone and play as loner, which I did also when playing MMO's.

To be fair though, he shouldn't review spunkgargleweewee games anymore. All his political bias and hatred for the US military complex is getting in the way of actual gameplay criticism. Yeh, I'm also with the guys sick of hearing him just vomit all over the US just because.

Before anyone says so, I'm south american and I don't think the US is evil. I used to, but they seem to be more like bizarro, trying to help but somewhat unsuccesful. If you want to talk evil then, look at Israel or North Korea or African Warlords.

You know what? I want Yahtzee actually explain why he hates the US so much. Quote this if you want it to be in the next Extra Punctuation.

I'm an American, and I hate my country's foreign actions and obsession with killing innocent people and imprisoning even more.

I also own several firearms and love shooting. I only say this because people (Yahtzee included) seem to think the two concepts are mutually inclusive. On that note, I'm also an atheist with a hatred of nationalism.

Grach:
People, he hates competitive multiplayer. That's why he reviews MMO's, you can completely ignore everyone and play as loner, which I did also when playing MMO's.

To be fair though, he shouldn't review spunkgargleweewee games anymore. All his political bias and hatred for the US military complex is getting in the way of actual gameplay criticism. Yeh, I'm also with the guys sick of hearing him just vomit all over the US just because.

Before anyone says so, I'm south american and I don't think the US is evil. I used to, but they seem to be more like bizarro, trying to help but somewhat unsuccesful. If you want to talk evil then, look at Israel or North Korea or African Warlords.

You know what? I want Yahtzee actually explain why he hates the US so much. Quote this if you want it to be in the next Extra Punctuation.

Maybe because over the last century, no country is responsible for more civilian deaths across the globe as the United States. In fact, it isn't even close.

Maybe it's that over the last decade, the US destroyed two entire counties, with civilian death tolls in excess of 300,000 between Iraq and Afghanistan, due to the actions of a group estimated to have 1,500 members? An action that has caused lasting political backlash across Europe, leading the overwhelming majority of British, French, and German citizens to say that they would vote for Obama over Romney because Romney shared a party with Bush Jr.

Maybe its the conflicts around the globe that the US has destabilized a growing nation because of financial or political reasons, including Nicaragua, Panama, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Libya. Or that we financed and paid known terrorists in Afghanistan in the 1980's to fight the evil communists.

Or that the US is the largest Theocracy in the world, without the balls to admit as such? Or that the US was the last first-world country to abolish Slavery? Or that the US is one of the few first-world countries without universal homosexual rights?

There is plenty of reason to hate on the US, especially on the field of battle.

I'm actually kinda surprised about this ZP... Yahtzee considered CoD4 an actually good game but completely dismissed Blops2 despite them being much more similar than any other game in the franchise. They are certainly the only CoD games I really enjoyed.

It actually offers more freedom than any CoD game before (though admittedly that's not saying much, it's still very linear... but baby steps. And linear isn't bad as long as it's done right). Compared to Warfighter it's a damn sandbox!

It actually has a GOOD choice system, the kind that's not menu driven or even very explicit at times. Choices in Blops2 feel much more organic than most games manage and I'd have expected that after numerous rants about binary moral systems that plague games he'd be at least acknowledge a decent system pop up in such an unexpected place.

Hell, Blops2 even had PACING, something that the franchise has completely lacked since CoD4. It's nowhere near as crazy and frantic as the other games in the series.

As for boring... I found the crazy rampages quite fun. Totally insane, over the top and ridiculous... but fun. And the contrast and spacing between those and the standard shooting galleries felt very well managed. Also the game does NOT take itself seriously, and that, to my mind, is a major improvement. It throws all pretence of realism out the window, puts you in some preposterous situations and says... Go Nuts!

I've had a very similar experience with CoD as Yahtzee so far: Liked CoD4, became increasingly disgusted and tired of the sequels... but had a completely unexpected surprise with Blops2 for all the reasons very briefly presented above.

I feel the horrible over-saturation of execrable modern military shooters (most of them CoD games) and the demands of gaming journalism have tainted what could have otherwise been a pleasant surprise.

I would have classified the Strike Force missions more RTS than tower defense, but either way, they don't work. I actually kind of wanted to hear what Yahtzee had to say about the whole multiple ending thing. I wonder if he was even aware of it: there isn't anything to suggest it, and if he'd been avoiding other reviews to keep his opinion purely his own, then he might have missed it. Not that it adds all that much, I just wanted to hear what he thought about it.

But he summed the rest of it up pretty well, I think. I really want the next console cycle to start, just so that Activision can't keep demanding that the Call of Duty games be made with IW 4.0, or whatever the engine is. The need to develop a new engine would, hopefully, give us a year off from Call of Duty, and that's pretty much what everyone needs right now.

God, this was awful. Stunk too much of venting humor. I might have to stop watching his... ugh... "spunkgargleweewee" reviews because they're starting to get just as banal and predictable as the the games themselves allegedly are.

If you crack jokes about people of a certain race then it is technically racism.

Not that I really let those jokes bother me when I don't have to worry about racist cops (just the abusive ones).

Just all for calling a spade of spade. It is stupid though when people cry persecution over laws that aren't about them and have no effect on them at all.

DVS BSTrD:
I don't want to say this game has a special appeal to Southerners, but Tony Tod does seem to be a little bit Dicksy.

Duo Oratar:
It is slightly hypocritical to say that white people were randomly selected to be born the most privileged people on the planet and saying we can't complain about racism against us in the same breath. Yes us being privileged is something we're born into, but so is the whole history of oppressing the blacks thing. I have every right to complain about them being racist towards whites because just as I didn't do anything to deserve the privilege, I didn't do anything to deserve the racism either, I was born into this position and it was my ancestors who did the oppressing, not me.

Yes never mind that you continue to profit off a system that continues to oppress and exploit them and use any excuse you can think of to keep them from becoming equals.

Do show us where he has tried to keep black people from being equals.

Oh and he alone cannot change the system so benefiting from it is something you should cut him slack from.

I know a bunch of people who are COD fans. Thing is though none of them give two shits about the campaign mode. They only ever play it for the multiplayer or the zombie mode. Consequently they aren't right wing gun nuts.

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

Holy shit! 4 Attacks!? Maybe even more? That seems ridiculous.

Gearhead mk2:

CentralScrtnzr:
There's a theme that's become more and more apparent lately in Yahtzee's work--mean-spirit towards the US, hatred of all things particularly associated with the US, false association of guns with gun-nuts.

Anyways, I got bored and had to do something else.

In fairness, when America stops making midless racist pro-imperlist America Fuck Yeah games where the main goal is to protect America from any arab or russian that looks at the US funny, he'll probably stop complaning about them.

Other than not buying them, and asking nicely there's nothing we in the U.S. can do to stop them. Free speech here even applies to blatantly racist/anti-foreigner/anti-Muslim speech

Yeah, the plot twist wasn't even a plot twist really. A plot twist is supposed to be something unexpected, and I knew who it was the moment they pulled a guy with a bag on his head out for you to shoot.

That said, yeah, more spunkgargleweewee, no reason to play it. Was far more fun to watch someone else play it on YouTube than it has ever been for me to actually play any previous CoD game.

Blachman201:

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

You can throw up all the cherrypicked right wing rag articles about "reverse racism" and "scary black people" you like. It isn't in any way comparable to institutionalized racism, still inherent in the Western system as it was build by the white man and by far and large still works in favor for him both on the small and large scale.

You are just using stuff like that an convenient excuse to ignore this fact (and doesn't it sort of imply you believe one wrong justifies another?)

This conversation is always the same

A: There's no racism against whites
B: Here's an example of racism against whites
A: *Moves the goalposts and plays oppression olympics*

My friends and I decided the only thing that would make this game good was if the USS Barack Obama was a playable character in zombies (kind of like how JFK, Kissinger, and Castro were).

I'm really looking forward to a Farcry 3 Review.

I might disagree with his points,but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy the entertainement he brings with every video.

Had some fantastic laughs with this one.

Gearhead mk2:

CentralScrtnzr:
There's a theme that's become more and more apparent lately in Yahtzee's work--mean-spirit towards the US, hatred of all things particularly associated with the US, false association of guns with gun-nuts.

Anyways, I got bored and had to do something else.

In fairness, when America stops making midless racist pro-imperlist America Fuck Yeah games where the main goal is to protect America from any arab or russian that looks at the US funny, he'll probably stop complaning about them.

No he won't. Go watch the Killzone 3 review. We got a bitchfest about how changing the name of "USA" to "ISA" isn't clever and that having British Nazis makes no sense as the British were allies in WW2, which would have made sense if not for the fact that Guerrilla Games, the developers of Killzone, are fucking Dutch.

Or just go watch the Uncharted reviews. If games don't actually contain racism "fuck yeah" whatever, he'll just pretend they do and bitch the game out for it anyway.

Father Time:

Blachman201:

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

You can throw up all the cherrypicked right wing rag articles about "reverse racism" and "scary black people" you like. It isn't in any way comparable to institutionalized racism, still inherent in the Western system as it was build by the white man and by far and large still works in favor for him both on the small and large scale.

You are just using stuff like that an convenient excuse to ignore this fact (and doesn't it sort of imply you believe one wrong justifies another?)

This conversation is always the same

A: There's no racism against whites
B: Here's an example of racism against whites
A: *Moves the goalposts and plays oppression olympics*

It's all about framing. Anything can be made to sound ridiculous and petty if the debaters are skilled enough at rhetoric.

In any case, regardless of what side one is on, logic means nothing. You can lead a horse to water, and that sort of thing. It takes a change of heart, one way or the other, to change ones mind. So, whatever rhetorical strains one makes, trying to contort every single amount of potential influence, as though to jedi mind trick the other side into accepting your righteousness, it won't work if they won't listen. Otherwise it'd be easy to evangelize.

erttheking:

Gearhead mk2:

ARCTIC_EAGLE:
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Dude. Either you're a horribly unfunny troll, or you're the kind of moron that actually enjoys spunkgargleweewee. Either way, you're not welcxome here. Either play Spec Ops: The Line and get some perspective, or get out.

Also, I know this is a Halo song, but I still feel this is apropos given your attitude.

Insulting people for actually enjoying a type of game? That's completely uncalled for man. Come on.

OT: Eh...no offense Yahtzee, but that review was bland as Hell. Didn't laugh once. Also I kinda feel like there's a bit of a mob mentality going on around here with Yahtzee ranting about how much he hates modern warfare games and the people that play them and everyone going into a frenzy agreeing how much it sucks and insulting everyone that disagrees with them. It's rather unpleasant and kinda sickening.

It happens with every game he reviews unless he praises it; the attitude isn't just because people hate CoD, its because Yatzee shares the same opinions as them so they feel like they have a license to be as nasty as they want to be. Happened in the Halo 4 review as well.

Honestly I tend to feel rather uncomfortable around these games as they do have a ton of gun porn and xenophobic tendencies. I know that there is no proof, but I feel like there is a hidden agenda.

Arren Kae:
Yahtzee has imbibed white guilt so strongly he complains when a story doesn't punish whites for imagined evils or portrays non-whites as anything but righteous and pure.

How are whites privileged? Under the law, it's illegal for a business to be all-white. Whites are forced to disfavor our people under threat-of-violence from the state. Whites are robbed through the issuance of new currency to pay for non-white housing, food, electricity, cell phones, plasma tvs, lobster dinners, schooling, medical care, and any other thing non-whites want.

Are you just substituting poor for non-white?

Arren Kae:

Meanwhile whites are robbed, assaulted, raped, and murdered by non-whites (excluding asians) disproportionately. Yet if a white man so much as is accused of saying an ill word against another race he risks imprisonment.

Come to the U.S. where you can say anything you want against any race (except calls for violence), even if it's racist.

Arren Kae:

In Yahtzee's jolly old England it's legal for muslim women to beat a white woman while screaming "kill the slag" but if a white mother expresses concern about her son growing up in such an environment she'll be held prisoner, fined, and her son kidnapped by the state.

I call BS.

Arren Kae:

You want to talk about slavery? You know who practiced slavery? Everyone. You know who was the first people to decide slavery was wrong and they wouldn't practice it anymore? Whites. Slavery is still practiced today in northern africa by jews and arabs, as it has been for generations, and there are more north-african slaves today than there ever were slaves in a european nation, canada, or the USA.

Source?

Arren Kae:

As for homosexuals, his argument is entirely factitious and he knows it.

Come to the U.S. you'll find people who actually do think this is persecution. Even when their church won't be forced to marry.

Father Time:

This conversation is always the same

A: There's no racism against whites
B: Here's an example of racism against whites
A: *Moves the goalposts and plays oppression olympics*

Don't be willfully dense. You can't compare racism on a low level to institutionalized racism.

Blachman201:

catalyst8:
Because Whites are never the victims of racism. Oh, wait:
'That's makes 4 attacks that we know of so far related to blacks engaging in lynch mob mentality to attack whites because they feel "justified".'
http://thegraph.com/2012/04/another-white-man-critically-beaten-20-black-racist-thugs-assault-him-citing-justice-for-trayvon/

You can throw up all the cherrypicked right wing rag articles about "reverse racism" and "scary black people" you like. It isn't in any way comparable to institutionalized racism, still inherent in the Western system as it was build by the white man and by far and large still works in favor for him both on the small and large scale.

You are just using stuff like that an convenient excuse to ignore this fact (and doesn't it sort of imply you believe one wrong justifies another?)

Citation needed.

Catalyst made a claim, backed it up with evidence. You said, "Nuh uh, you're wrong and racist," while providing absolutely no evidence to back your claims up. So unless you have proof that, "institutionalised racism is still inherent in the Western system," then Catalyst has a superior argument.

Blachman201:

Father Time:

This conversation is always the same

A: There's no racism against whites
B: Here's an example of racism against whites
A: *Moves the goalposts and plays oppression olympics*

Don't be willfully dense. You can't compare racism on a low level to institutionalized racism.

See this is what I'm talking about, the topic was just racism in general. You are the one who is trying to make it about institutional racism.

But hey white people (and Asians) have that too. Just look at AA.

NameIsRobertPaulson:
Maybe because over the last century, no country is responsible for more civilian deaths across the globe as the United States. In fact, it isn't even close.

Maybe it's that over the last decade, the US destroyed two entire counties, with civilian death tolls in excess of 300,000 between Iraq and Afghanistan, due to the actions of a group estimated to have 1,500 members? An action that has caused lasting political backlash across Europe, leading the overwhelming majority of British, French, and German citizens to say that they would vote for Obama over Romney because Romney shared a party with Bush Jr.

Maybe its the conflicts around the globe that the US has destabilized a growing nation because of financial or political reasons, including Nicaragua, Panama, Bosnia, Kosovo, and Libya. Or that we financed and paid known terrorists in Afghanistan in the 1980's to fight the evil communists.

Or that the US is the largest Theocracy in the world, without the balls to admit as such? Or that the US was the last first-world country to abolish Slavery? Or that the US is one of the few first-world countries without universal homosexual rights?

There is plenty of reason to hate on the US, especially on the field of battle.

Now I feel just embarrased that I forgot all of that. Mostly the cold war stuff because its the most recent (remember, both sides were equally dicks throughout it all, which is A LOT of shit).

Yeah, carry on Yahtzee.

Blachman201:

Father Time:

This conversation is always the same

A: There's no racism against whites
B: Here's an example of racism against whites
A: *Moves the goalposts and plays oppression olympics*

Don't be willfully dense. You can't compare racism on a low level to institutionalized racism.

Just to be clear, so that there is no vagueness in terms:

Would you say that a lack of privilege, as well as institutionalized racism, can mitigate responsibility for a 'low level' act of racism, or other crime?

Blachman201:

MacNille:
Well, what a suprise here. Yahtzee hating a Modern Military shooter? Who would have thought? This is like that it has never ever happen before. Now I must go down on my knee and blow him as he show me the right way. You know what Yahtzee? Fuck you and fuck your fans who blow you at every conner. This mindless hate for COD is starting to get old. Do I love COD? Nope. Do I hate COD as all your mindless fucking fans do? No! I feel that COD is alright for me.

What is that I see in the sky? A banhammer coming down?

Oh, get off your high horse. You know what what is just about as overplayed than the COD hate-train? Acting a martyr whenever it is brought up.

Duo Oratar:
It is slightly hypocritical to say that white people were randomly selected to be born the most privileged people on the planet and saying we can't complain about racism against us in the same breath. Yes us being privileged is something we're born into, but so is the whole history of oppressing the blacks thing. I have every right to complain about them being racist towards whites because just as I didn't do anything to deserve the privilege, I didn't do anything to deserve the racism either, I was born into this position and it was my ancestors who did the oppressing, not me.

It is a bit more complex than that. I feel this pretty much sums it up:

image

That comic sucks

It pretends all white people had slaves and benefited from slavery. It acts like helping black people out of poverty would be easy, and it ignores the sacrifices other white people made to get rid of slavery and the blacks in Africa who sold slaves.

MacNille:

What is that I see in the sky? A banhammer coming down?

And it has rarely been more welcome...

OT: I love the people who are complaining that whites are being discriminated against. Hey jackasses! You ever done your civil rights history? Black people in the US have always been given worse housing than whites. The're still a huge education gap and employment gap. Ever since the end of slavery, hell even during the civil rights and affirmative action movements, black have had it far worse than whites and, even today, have far worse poverty rates. And now for rich, privileged whites to turn around and complain because they can't carry out the good 'ol tradition of all-white companies or keeping blacks at this lower footing and calling it fair just disgusts me. Seriously. Can we make them the new underclass? Because I'd have no fucking guilt about that whatsoever.

EDIT: In fact, I'm not going to passive-aggressively beat around the bush on this one!

Arren Kae:

Yeah, I'm talking to you! Care to explain yourself?

This picture sums it up beautifully:

Blachman201:

image

Really great.

WaitWHAT:

MacNille:

What is that I see in the sky? A banhammer coming down?

And it has rarely been more welcome...

OT: I love the people who are complaining that whites are being discriminated against. Hey jackasses! You ever done your civil rights history? Black people in the US have always been given worse housing than whites. The're still a huge education gap and employment gap. Ever since the end of slavery, hell even during the civil rights and affirmative action movements, black have had it far worse than whites and, even today, have far worse poverty rates. And now for rich, privileged whites to turn around and complain because they can't carry out the good 'ol tradition of all-white companies or keeping blacks at this lower footing and calling it fair just disgusts me. Seriously. Can we make them the new underclass? Because I'd have no fucking guilt about that whatsoever.

Are you having fun attacking that straw man? Would you like to actually address reality now?

In case you do, nobody is claiming they want an all black company and the examples you give of whatever gap don't justify racism against whites. Two wrongs don't make a right and all that.

scienceguy8:
Kinda surprised. I was expecting Yahtzee to praise the game for doing something a little different for a change (the ability to change the outcome based on actions taken) then completely ripping it for not going far enough (as there are only really 3 or 4 key missions that determine how your game ends).

You expected Yahtzee to praise a spunkgargleweewee game? More specifically, you expected him to give a shit about a Call of Duty game? Sorry, you must be new to around these parts.

DJjaffacake:

Citation needed.

Catalyst made a claim, backed it up with evidence. You said, "Nuh uh, you're wrong and racist," while providing absolutely no evidence to back your claims up. So unless you have proof that, "institutionalised racism is still inherent in the Western system," then Catalyst has a superior argument.

You are implying that all sources are equal and all arguments using a source are "better" no matter the usefulness or bias of the source, and both are fallacies in and of it themselves. But that isn't what you want to discuss right?

Fine, I'll humor you:

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/06/missouri_traffic_stops_disparity_blacks_higher.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/nov/25/ethnic-variations-jail-sentences-study

I have two sources, apparently my argument is superior.

EDIT: Stupid quote pyramids...

Arren Kae:
Yahtzee has imbibed white guilt so strongly he complains when a story doesn't punish whites for imagined evils or portrays non-whites as anything but righteous and pure.

How about portraying white people the same as everyone else?

Blachman201:

Father Time:

Citation needed.

Catalyst made a claim, backed it up with evidence. You said, "Nuh uh, you're wrong and racist," while providing absolutely no evidence to back your claims up. So unless you have proof that, "institutionalised racism is still inherent in the Western system," then Catalyst has a superior argument.

You are implying that all sources are equal and all arguments using a source are "better" no matter the usefulness or bias of the source, and both are fallacies in and of it themselves. But that isn't what you want to discuss right?

Fine, I'll humor you:

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/dailyrft/2012/06/missouri_traffic_stops_disparity_blacks_higher.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2011/nov/25/ethnic-variations-jail-sentences-study

I have two sources, apparently my argument is superior.

You quoted the wrong person, I didn't say that.

Reptiloid:
Aah that was beautiful, just... beautiful. I get the feeling Yahtzee is starting to get tired of these yearly copy-pastes by now, and the people who keep buying them, causing the industry to release another one next year.

"Why all the hate on CoD? It's a decent game, and the multiplayer is fun! Also, did I mention I have no standards for quality whatsoever?"
"But I don't like challenge, it's so much easier to have the game hold my hand every step of the way instead of actually being expected to overcome obstacles!"
"Oops, my brain fell out again!"

Seriously, PLEASE stop buying these fucking things, you guys have got like 5 of the same game now... it's enough. We've all had enough. The game industry is not to blame anymore, YOU are. You, the consumer. Complaining ain't gonna do shit if you keep buying them anyway. Vote with your wallet people, please.

Funny thing, Black Ops 2's SP is nothing like previous COD's, like others have mentioned the writing is actually quite good (outside Briggs) and gives you a really good choice system without giving you a moral bar and some choices are less obvious then others (It's like Spec Ops the Line at parts where some choices aren't given outright but are there), it lets you pick your load out at the start of the mission so you can play your own way. Also lots of the levels have multiple paths to flank enemies and some area's are quite big and have multiple paths in general to get to the same objective.

Also as for the whole race thing... Two major good characters are Hispanic and the other is Middle Eastern, one of the major villains is white, if you play your cards right you get the Chinese on your side, and in general in various missions you fight alongside the Chinese.

It also pushes that the reason that Mendez is the villain is really the CIA's fault, and so the game is dealing with the consequences of the CIA for giving Mendez some justification for rising up.

But yeah, fuck Black Ops 2, let's just use all the previous COD's to judge Black Ops 2 blindly and listen to Yahtzee's review which leaves out so much so that his jokes make sense because otherwise they wouldn't if he actually went indepth.

Gearhead mk2:
Man, I was waiting for WEEKS for him to rip this game to shreds, and it did not dissapoint. A message to the game industry: STOP MAKING MODERN MILITARY SHOOTERS! Spec Ops: The Line has allready pointed out everything wrong about the genre, you don't need to keep making shitty war games to prove it's point!

Companies like Activision exist to make money. As long as CoD sells, they'll keep wheeling it out. I played Spec Ops, and shit knows I share everyone elses' opinion of it, but Call of Duty has a right to exist, no matter what Yager says. Eleven million sales prove that.
Anyway, I played Black Ops 2 and I really liked it. The situation Menendez puts the world in is unnervingly plausible, and it was nice to see China as something other than the villain.
Anyway, you said "stop making modern military shooters". Surely if there's any kind of shooter that should stop being made, it's WW2 shooters? They make a profit by portraying the conflict that killed millions.
Honestly, people that oppose the continued production of games like Call of Duty and Medal of Honor, not on perceived lack of merit, but on their subject matter worry me. A lot. What gives you the right to do this?

is it just me or did he seem much more spiteful than usual today? he seems to really really hate this game. o.o

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