Escapist Podcast: 069: Surviving the Apocalypse and "Fake" Geek Girls

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069: Surviving the Apocalypse and "Fake" Geek Girls

This week, we discuss Susan's new neighbors, what life would be like after the apocalypse, proper movie watching etiquette and the belief that girl gamers are "fake."

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Even though this is new, I feel like I knew what everyone was going to say about the popcorn...obviously I am obsessed with the podcat.

HOLY CRAP!

Super EARLY!

Thanks guys, much appreciated.
At time of writing, 7:13PM Friday the 30th, I can listen to this podcast while the majority of the nation goes to see Lady Gaga.

W00t!

So has this become a 2 weekly thing now?

Have I told you about my beaver problem? This is going to be a good one.

It is the new Madrid fault. It is real and dangerous. It is in Missouri.

1.
What you described wasn't the Marshall Plan, it was the Berlin Airlift.

The Marshall Plan was a political policy of rebuilding Europe from WWII. Its focus tended more towards basic infrastructure like sewage, rubble-clearing, electricity, and getting internal industry working again. Many countries, what would become West Germany among them, adopted the Marshall Plan. It came to be used as an insurance against the spread of Communism when Communist nations interpreted the effort as a way of covertly spreading Capitalist ideals and (no joke) ruining Communist ones. One of the early rhetorical talking-points intended to reinforce the East-West split was that agents of the Marshall Plan (who were US military men) were airdropping beetles on Communist farms.

Anyways, point: Berlin Airlift: narrow, 1 year thing. Marshall Plan: Broad, international, 5-8 year thing.

2.
Susan, if you are trying to connect Newvians to Old Who, what I would find absolutely invaluable would be highlighting classic Who episodes/stories that are either important for a Who-fan or just plain good. One of the things that really puts me off from wading into classic Who is that there is a lot of content to wade through and I know that some of it is really REALLY bad and I don't want to blindly suffer through it without knowing where the bright spots are.

DrRockor:
So has this become a 2 weekly thing now?

The podcat is still a weekly thing, but occasionally stuff comes up that takes priority. Last week we were out due to Thanksgiving, and a couple weeks before we had a perfect storm of our regular podcast crew being out of town on business, and our home team having just too many projects going on at once to make time for it. Thankfully this rarely occurs!

In regard to chickens: All birds are jerks.

Also, as far as cans of popcorn go, chocolate covered popcorn in a can is tasty AND HEALTHY every time. EVERY TIME.

bdcjacko:
It is the new Madrid fault. It is real and dangerous. It is in Missouri.

That's it! Yeah, he's info was completely legit, and his fear really wasn't particularly far fetched at all. He's a bit wackadoo, no mistake, but he's no fool.

silverhawk100:

Susan, if you are trying to connect Newvians to Old Who, what I would find absolutely invaluable would be highlighting classic Who episodes/stories that are either important for a Who-fan or just plain good. One of the things that really puts me off from wading into classic Who is that there is a lot of content to wade through and I know that some of it is really REALLY bad and I don't want to blindly suffer through it without knowing where the bright spots are.

Oh, that's a great idea! I'll start working on that. :)

Susan Arendt:

bdcjacko:
It is the new Madrid fault. It is real and dangerous. It is in Missouri.

That's it! Yeah, he's info was completely legit, and his fear really wasn't particularly far fetched at all. He's a bit wackadoo, no mistake, but he's no fool.

Being from the area, I have heard things all my life about it. Most people from the area have a health apprehension about it. So this could be a chicken and egg thing is he wackadoo because he is thinking about this fault zone or the other way around.

The chicken egg statement was also ment as a call back.

Here's the thing I don't quite understand about doomsday preppers/apocalypse fanatics--they're essentially hoping for the end of human society/existence. I mean, I'm psyched for humanity and glad we've developed all sorts of cool technology and medicine and have a vast amount of collective knowledge; I'd not be eager to see all of that disappear, nor would I particularly want to live in a world where I had witnessed the entirety of human civilization be destroyed. I'm guessing it comes from a desire to feel significant in an indifferent universe, but your time and money could still be better spent on something practical (or at least more entertaining). Oh well.

(Although I fully understand the 'fun' of daydreaming about a zombie apocalypse, at least with the usually-unspoken assumptions that: a) you aren't immediately killed or infected, b) the people you love the most aren't immediately killed or infected, c) you don't have to worry about access to clean/dry clothing, clean water, food, sleep, exhaustion, or the lack of medical care for things that would seem extremely minor to us prior to zombies [cuts, scrapes, etc.], and d) it wouldn't be traumatic to shoot/hack/beat random zombies.)

I still don't understand how anyone's confusing Greg's voice for anyone else's, given the different accents (if that's the right word?) and pitch (again, hopefully that's the right word) of his and Justin's voices. Maybe on bad headphones or something it's not so obvious or if you're from a particular region it's harder to differentiate between their accents/ways of speaking? If you're a listener who has a hard time telling Greg apart from other Escapist Podcatters, I'm curious to hear your thoughts/feedback.

It sometimes happens to me to mix up Justin and Greg, but only when everybody chimes in on something more or less at the same time. Outside of accent, which I don't really differentiate (not being familiar will all US accents), Greg's voice has a lower register than Justin's, so when Justin speaks lower or Greg higher, they can overlap a bit. Everybody else has quite distinct voices. Schuyler's the one that I can't really recall most of the time, but that's because he isn't on as much. Mike was a hoot, even with all the unconventional eating regimes, and his voice is also very distiguishable,as is Paul's.

The Podcast needs more female input. I say, why isn't Janine Bonano invited in more often? I remember at one point you said you were going to do some sort of rotation to introduce different people from the staff, one at a time. What ever happened to that initiative?

It is nice that they talked about survivalism. I disagree that it is expensive, it can be, but we have the Internet. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!! Go online and learn some crafts (ie leather-working, first-aid, hunting, wood-making, other manufacturing).

Store as much as you can afford. Then when SHTF go work for the ones (like me) who have built bunkers. I am still looking for harvesters for my fields, learn agriculture and work for me. I will supply all the hand tools, seeds, water, and most importantly security to keep you feed. Western Kansas, Southwester Nebraska, and Northeaster Colorado are the best people because you wont have as far to travel when SHTF, but all are welcome.

Contact me for more info.

I don't mind someone talking to me while we're watching a movie/playing a videogame......as long as they keep looking at the screen. Public speaking 101 has you looking right at people when you talk at them, but when you are watching something that rule is off. You can talk to me without looking at me, cause I sure as hell ain't looking at you. Because if you look away, then you miss stuff, and now that you've missed stuff you'll look away again to ask about what you missed and the cycle continues.

Moral of the story: When you are watching a movie....WATCH THE DAMN MOVIE!

Also, related note to the running joke this podcast....the word "beaver" is censored in SWTOR. I find it rather odd. If euphemisms get censored, you would think chat would end up being little more than asterisks.

As a person who has laughed during horror movies i really feel that if a movie is bad enough that it elicits my laughter it's the movies fault i think that's fine.

The talking thing is different, i don't mind if its like whispering and quiet but if its loud that's not cool.

silverhawk100:
1.
What you described wasn't the Marshall Plan, it was the Berlin Airlift.

The Marshall Plan was a political policy of rebuilding Europe from WWII. Its focus tended more towards basic infrastructure like sewage, rubble-clearing, electricity, and getting internal industry working again. Many countries, what would become West Germany among them, adopted the Marshall Plan. It came to be used as an insurance against the spread of Communism when Communist nations interpreted the effort as a way of covertly spreading Capitalist ideals and (no joke) ruining Communist ones. One of the early rhetorical talking-points intended to reinforce the East-West split was that agents of the Marshall Plan (who were US military men) were airdropping beetles on Communist farms.

Anyways, point: Berlin Airlift: narrow, 1 year thing. Marshall Plan: Broad, international, 5-8 year thing.

Doh, I had the feeling I was getting something horribly wrong while relating it. Thanks.

Phantom Renegade:
As a person who has laughed during horror movies i really feel that if a movie is bad enough that it elicits my laughter it's the movies fault i think that's fine.

The talking thing is different, i don't mind if its like whispering and quiet but if its loud that's not cool.

Sure, it's all about context, though. Is everyone else having a similar reaction? Are you just laughing when prompted, or are you also making comments, etc? You can hardly be held accountable for a natural, spontaneous reaction, even if other folks don't have the same reaction, but if you're just going all MST3k the entire time while others are enjoying themselves, that's a bit rude.

In response to your chicken conversation, chickens are effing awesome. After raising them for over 10 years I can tell you that chickens have great personalities, and I've had plenty of chickens I could call and they'd fly up onto my shoulder or follow me around. Take away message: raise chickens, have fun.

Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

shadowslayer81:
Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

Yes, that is the supposed "porn music" at the end of the podcast. In my defense, it certainly didn't sound that way to me when I picked it!

I find the best way to eat those popcorn tins is to just remove the divider that way you don't have the orphan flavor, but to people who will separate their SweetTarts this might not go over that well.

the thing about preppers is that many of them just come off as just hyper paranoid, and by proxy almost neglect the basic thought that anything else might happen. like the people that prepare for a nukear war generally don't consider a straight up invasion by another country. granted I am pretty sure that the people to be shown on the doomsday preppers show are screened for the "validity" of the thing they are preparing for, and this is doubly so because they also try to bring on "experts" on what those situations would be like, and so forth (generally so that they can rate the effectiveness of these plans). basically because there is so much speculation (are they fast/shambly/dumb, or fast/strong/smart) surrounding a zombie apocalypse they are usually screened out; because it is unlikely to find an "expert" on the topic. similarly with an alien invasion there probably are a few people planning/preparing for if this might happen, but at the same time because we don't have sufficient evidence on how such a thing would happen it is probably just screened out.

I will admit to being that person who said the word childish, but the context of such was not so much "you are childish for not accepting the prequels", but more on "I hate that these modifications keep happening to the original trilogy" and really it does depend who you ask as to whether a "reedit" is a good, or bad thing. generally if the person feels that the reedit added value to the material, and they felt that it was an improvement then "sing it on the mountain that reedit is amazing", but if the person feels that the reedit does not add that much value, or has little value then "how dare those changes be made" I know that for the most part this does become rather subjective, and vary from reedit to reedit, but at quite a few points it can still boil down to "I liked it better before it was different, and because I don't like the differences it is not acceptable" that was what I was trying to outline.

shadowslayer81:
Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

WMDogma:
Yes, that is the supposed "porn music" at the end of the podcast. In my defense, it certainly didn't sound that way to me when I picked it!

I don't even know why you Podcasters even call that Porn-Music-like. Hav't watched Porn videos in Yonks so I have no idea what music is being played while the act is being done.

I quite like it. Would like to hear the rest of it.

WMDogma:

shadowslayer81:
Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

Yes, that is the supposed "porn music" at the end of the podcast. In my defense, it certainly didn't sound that way to me when I picked it!

I didn't think it sounded like porn music. I thought it was just lounge music

I think you guys are missing the point regarding the Fake Girl argument (God, I'm gonna get grilled again for this).

The bottom line is that it's annoying. That's it. But let me elaborate.

Imagine I wear a Harley Davidson shirt because it's cool. Alright, cool. Who am I hurting? Imagine if I go to a biker bar and pretend to like bikes cause I like to feel hardcore or something. And then I start talking about the bikes and the engine and the vroom and the pretty design. But when someone asks me about something in detail, I'll reply with a "I dunno! I just like being here even though I don't know anything about bikes! :D"
So yeah, nothing wrong with that. it's a free country. but the true bikers would be annoyed.

Not only that but those "fake geek girls" (which are not as common as they make it out to be, honestly) don't really care about the geek culture. I'm a girl who consider herself a good gamer and a geek. I don't know everything about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or Metroid, but when someone, either guy or girl, tries to introduce me to it a bit more, I'll take it! Heck, I'll be thankful!
But! the fake geek girls don't give a crap. This happened to me: I had a couple of (girl) friends who like to wear Yoshi and Mario shirts because they're cute. Alright, cool. That makes me think they might like games? So I've tried several times to introduce them to games they might like, like, I don't know, Mario or Yoshi's Island?! Or even something else! But you know what happens every single time? They get bored, they decide to go shopping and watch Pretty Little Liars. I swear I'm not making this off.

So yeah, they have every right to wear whatever. It's not like they're pretending to be something serious like a cop or something. But it's just annoying. And I do try to get them on my "side". Hey, the more, the merrier. Who wouldn't want to have friends that like the same things you do? But they don't care! They don't want to! So what's a girl to do?

Also, and this unrelated...and I said this in some other topic, guys also alienate us! Every time I talk about games around guys, 75% of the guys feel like questioning me about my knowledge. And if I hesitate for a second or if I don't know the right answer, I get that "Pssh, figures you don't know shit" glare. Yeah, those are douches, I know. But what about those CoD guys who attack a girl as soon as she sets foot on the lobby? Again, douches, I know. I can ignore it. But it's annoying.
Also unrelated, but the other guys who are not mean towards a girl gamer are usually just trying to hit on me. No, I'm not tooting my own horn. It has nothing to do with appearance. They just hit on me because 1. Boobs and 2. I like games. Understandable, but also annoying.

I know there's good guys out there who just want include more guys and girls into their world. Open minded people. But they're kinda hard to notice amongst the sea of douchy guy gamers. My wish would be to be seen as just another gamer. Not a guy gamer or a girl gamer, but just another gamer. But at least in my case, I haven't seen a lot of people treating me that way.
And I'm not bitchy or anything! D:

And I also saw the remake of Poseidon the other day! What are the chances? :D

Regarding the movie topic, it is never ok to be loud, even if you're just talking to the person next to you. Even worse when you're laughing out loud like a dick. I've had people yell stuff during Harry Potter 7 that ruined my experience. They only did it once or twice but...well, you get immersed in the movie and for someone to snap you out of it that way, it really is disturbing. Even if you're watching a crappy movie, you must be respectful towards everyone else. Period.
Also, no clapping at any point. I just don't get it. I know people do it in approval and praise but...why? Who are they clapping to? The guys working there?

In my case, when I go watch a movie with my mom, she gets easily lost with complicated plots so she's constantly asking me what's going on (English isn't our main language). So I feel for her so I give her a quiet and quick explanation. Or I wait until there's more noise in the movie so I can talk to her without interfering that much.
However, when we're at home and I'm watching a show, she feels the need to step in and talk to me about the universe or something. I try to blow her off in a nice way but...I still feel bad.
On the other hand, if I do that to one of her shows...I never hear the end of it. :/

I'll just leave this sweet example here:

Migs:

shadowslayer81:
Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

WMDogma:
Yes, that is the supposed "porn music" at the end of the podcast. In my defense, it certainly didn't sound that way to me when I picked it!

I don't even know why you Podcasters even call that Porn-Music-like. Hav't watched Porn videos in Yonks so I have no idea what music is being played while the act is being done.

I quite like it. Would like to hear the rest of it.

To be specific, we said it was like 70s porn music. :)

Beautiful End:

Big snip

No grilling on my part. I'd just like to know if you realize the slight irony when you describe these famed "fake geek girls" that annoy you because they have no working knowledge of the t-shirt they found attractive or the level interest you profess (and that this somehow justifies the uproar) and then going on to describe how gamers are douchbags on CoD or wherever because you fail to have the level of expertise "required" or the gender necessary for game x or y.

Captcha: Whoa there
All right captcha, this will be the extent of my intervention.

Awesome Podcast everybody. You are GREAT people.

WMDogma:

shadowslayer81:
Was that the porn music at the end of the podcast?

Yes, that is the supposed "porn music" at the end of the podcast. In my defense, it certainly didn't sound that way to me when I picked it!

To be fair, you could mistake that for elevator music too.

shiajun:

Beautiful End:

Big snip

No grilling on my part. I'd just like to know if you realize the slight irony when you describe these famed "fake geek girls" that annoy you because they have no working knowledge of the t-shirt they found attractive or the level interest you profess (and that this somehow justifies the uproar) and then going on to describe how gamers are douchbags on CoD or wherever because you fail to have the level of expertise "required" or the gender necessary for game x or y.

Captcha: Whoa there
All right captcha, this will be the extent of my intervention.

Oh, no, I never said I was unfamiliar with games like CoD. I like them. I'm decent at them. The problem is, and I don't know if you've run into a person like that, when a girl sets foot on the lobby, most guy start making sexist comments. They don't even care if the girl is good or bad, they just do it. Hey, if they were attacking me because I sucked, I'd take it. When I'm bad at a game and I get those comments, I don't like it but I get it. So I retreat quietly. But they do it for no reason at all, believe me.

If I manage to stay quiet, they treat me like any other person. But I have to stay quiet. And mind you, it's not like I go in there talking about glitter or kittens.

I like this video because it shows how guys at CoD usually act (Not everyone! But some guys):

Beautiful End:

:/

Anyway.
The problem is NOT the fake geek/nerd girls. As they said, as you said, and as this friend of a friend of a dead guy who was really his brother said; At worst they may annoy you because they don't know anything about what you like.

:/ So what?

The problem is that people (like the "COD Player" you talked about) use this non-issue as an excuse to harras people (mostly of the female perrsuasion) who actually do know and care about "nerd/geek" things.

As for why, let me tell you the weirdest reason I have ever heard of someone not wanting people who don't know "all the stuff" to come into the Geek/Nerd community.

This person(who I won't name) was asked by another; "Say I don't know anything about ("your" geek/nerd thing), but I see something of it somewhere, and I decide to get into it. Maybe I even go to one of it's events in with a T-shirt of it on.
Why is that bad?"

The person's response; "You can join if you want but if you ask us any questions about it don't expect us to give you the answers."

What. The. F@#K.

Let me explain that outburst. It's fair to say that most people here at the Escapist are nerds/geeks to some capacity right? And what as a nerd, do us all here usually do when someone asks us a question about something we love?(After making inside jokes of course) We talk and talk and talk and talk to the person with the question (sometimes more than we should) until we either think they get it now, or we run out of things to talk about.

Look at MovieBob, Yahtzee, Jim. Their whole job here is pretty much "Talk about nerd/geek things to people. Help them understand it." Hell, you and me just spent about an hour and a half lessening to Susan, Justin, Greg, and Paul just talk about things they find neat. :D And that's great, because it was fun!

Now ask yourself this. What is worse? Someone who just wants to were say, a T-shirt with the Tardis on it, but has no idea it's not just some phone booth? A person who wants to were a sexy cosplay outfit to a con, and maybe just so people think they're hot? Or someone who doesn't want to let in anyone into "their" community because they're "wrecking it", they don't know enough about it, they didn't "earn" it, or because they don't want to be asked questions about it(again, WHAT?!)?
(By the way, Thanks for not doing any of that. ;) Well done.)

Thank you for your time. Sorry about the wall of text, but you made one first. (And if I makes ya feel better, I hate writing. Not absolutely, but I don't like actually having to write a lot. Also, I WELL SEND SPELLING TO HELL TO DIE!)

Oh, and I completely know what you mean about moms and movies/shows. No way to win. :/
Also, sorry I know I asked a lot of questions already, but who is that you have for an avatar? Looks familiar somehow.

I saw a special midnight screening of Cabin in the Woods in Melbourne that was sullied by a group of people immediately behind us laughing not at the jokes (which the entire audience laughed at, which is always nice) but at the sets and props shown. I suppose I could have forgiven them, but their laughs were way too high pitched and forced...
(I'm getting into my grumpy man stage already)

Popcorn by itself is a healthy snack. Covering it in butter, salt, sugar, not so much. Though a favourite dessert of mine is to make the popcorn then cover the bowl with cooked honey. Never been a fan of the cheese popcorn which is starting to make a splash here in Australia.

bravetoaster:
Here's the thing I don't quite understand about doomsday preppers/apocalypse fanatics--they're essentially hoping for the end of human society/existence. I mean, I'm psyched for humanity and glad we've developed all sorts of cool technology and medicine and have a vast amount of collective knowledge; I'd not be eager to see all of that disappear, nor would I particularly want to live in a world where I had witnessed the entirety of human civilization be destroyed. I'm guessing it comes from a desire to feel significant in an indifferent universe, but your time and money could still be better spent on something practical (or at least more entertaining). Oh well.

I think it's an insurance thing. They believe it WILL happen, and if it does, they're smiling. If it doesn't, at least they were doing something they're passionate about.

Imp Emissary:

Beautiful End:

:/

Snipeth~

Well, you're right on all of that. But like I said, the simple answer as to why it bothers *me* is because it's annoying. Yes, it's a shallow and selfish reason but...that's all I got. And I'm assuming the reason why some people are bothered by this topic is because of a similar reason? but that's just speculation; I don't have a good logic or a response based by logic and research. :[
Don't worry about the wall of text, by the way. I enjoy reading and writing so I enjoy responses like that. Hehe.

And my avatar is Basch from FFXII. It's from one of the pictures showed when the credits roll that shows him and Noah when they're young. They're one of my favorite characters. :D

Beautiful End:

Imp Emissary:

Beautiful End:

:/

Snipeth~

Well, you're right on all of that. But like I said, the simple answer as to why it bothers *me* is because it's annoying. Yes, it's a shallow and selfish reason but...that's all I got. And I'm assuming the reason why some people are bothered by this topic is because of a similar reason? but that's just speculation; I don't have a good logic or a response based by logic and research. :[
Don't worry about the wall of text, by the way. I enjoy reading and writing so I enjoy responses like that. Hehe.

And my avatar is Basch from FFXII. It's from one of the pictures showed when the credits roll that shows him and Noah when they're young. They're one of my favorite characters. :D

Eh, don't worry about it. I don't think the people who REALLY get bugged by this junk are using much logic, or research. Just lots of bad emotions.

Also, I knew I knew that picture! :D FFXII is my favorite Final Fantasy!

Migs:
HOLY CRAP!

Super EARLY!

Thanks guys, much appreciated.
At time of writing, 7:13PM Friday the 30th, I can listen to this podcast while the majority of the nation goes to see Lady Gaga.

W00t!

[S]uper EARLY!

Thanks guys, much appreciated.
At time [o]f w[r]iting, 7:13PM F[r]ida[y]

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