Jimquisition: Review Scores Are Not Evil

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Review Scores Are Not Evil

When Jim Sterling isn't busy being the voice of a generation, he's a videogame reviewer -- one that's constantly told to abolish review scores. This is a silly request, hinging on the belief that review scores are an evil we simply endure.

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I wish you'd went into more detail about why you like them, you mentioned they were fun and you liked debating them, but didn't really go into the reasons.

Personally I don't mind review scores. I just dislike the way 5/10 should mean average, but most people tend to think 7/10 is average and everything below that is bad. Obviously like you said, that's peoples problem, not the scores themselves.

You're not responsible for our emotional well being?

That makes me feel so sad and I blame you.

>:(

Funny that you mention assassinations over review scores. In the Mr. Torgue's Campaign of Carnage DLC for Borderlands 2, there's a mission where Mr. Torgue hires you as a hitman to take out a game reviewer he particularly dislikes over a review score. Jim, it's already happened.

Something flashed by me real quick in that video. I couldn't figure out what it was but now I get this weird feeling that Konami is ruled by a cadre of whining crybaby crying baby crybabies who cry like babies because they are babies who cry and also they smell of shit.

I don't care about scores, I care about the reasons behind them.

o.o

I wasn't even aware that there were people who thought review scores were evilbad and such. Seems kind of silly, honestly.

Nearly every electronic medium I can think of gets reviews with numbers, and that's damned helpful and quick. That is not to say I don't like reading or watching a full review of a game, but being able to look at the number scores awarded by several different reputable reviewers is really useful.

As much as I agree I believe that Whilam De Foe needed to have some input into this argument!

i like the new gloves. they match the suit and make you look spiffy.
you don't wear enough Red for the red gloves to work in the same way.

anyway. i'm so-so on review scored... i don't really like how an 8 is seen as BAD. an 8 is simply 80%. it's still a B grade, and even without taking BS school grades into account it means you did 80% of stuff great! (making a 50% just "average" or "Decent") the scores themselves arn't bad, but rather it's the way that some people VIEW them that's really bad.

I always found that funny when the true fanboys whine that a game they like got a low score of 8/10. lol

I personally don't mind review scores, but we are definitely better off in an industry that does not universally embrace them. Otherwise, people might start thinking you can quantify things like fun and dread.

Legion:
I wish you'd went into more detail about why you like them, you mentioned they were fun and you liked debating them, but didn't really go into the reasons.

Personally I don't mind review scores. I just dislike the way 5/10 should mean average, but most people tend to think 7/10 is average and everything below that is bad. Obviously like you said, that's peoples problem, not the scores themselves.

It depends on how you look at the 10 point grading scale. If you look at it like an academic grade, then 7/10 *should* be the average/mediocre game. That's how most reviewers see it, even. Just look here on the Escapist where 2 and a half stars is usually accompanied by a "don't bother" recommendation and anything below that is pretty much considered garbage.

I view scores mostly as an arbitrarily number attached to the end that's supposed to represent to reviewer's opinion.I do admit that I scroll down to check that number and see what the general impression was- good/meh/bad and then I have the option to read on or move on depending on my interest.As for scoreless reviews I just look at the last paragraph which should summarize the general impression towards the game.

I don't get it... if you hate review scores so much, why do you use them?

Scores, no problem with them. Now Metacritic can die in the pits of 8th level hell for the damage that has done.

For some reason, people are mixing the hate of Metacritic with scores. That is a very bad idea to muddle up on your stance. Many of us know that Metacritic have costed people jobs, not intentionally, but companies have relied on using it and thus have seen it as a way to see how well their product will or will not do.

Scores of an individual and the text for why that score exist, is fine. Throwing several different scores formats, and trying to find an average, along with customer scores is idiotic. It makes little to no sense and it's hard for people figure out or analyze why one game got mostly 8/7 score and some twat gave it a 2/5 stars.

I half expected him to break into a Dr. Strangelove routine at the end, maybe that would have been too unoriginal, a subtle nod was maybe enough, if that's what it was.

The movie and music industries have review sites that uses scores and they don't mind it.

Presentation: 7
Graphics: 8
Audio: i
Jim: 6.0221415 x 1023

Final Score(not an average): frog

More and more I feel like these videos are focusing on information or events that I've not been privy to. Not sure if I'm becoming less informed, or if Jim is focusing on more esoteric topics. But whatever. It's still usually entertaining regardless.

I really hate the over-emphasis and reliance on scores by gamers. I hate that some people think that just because there's a number means its objective. I hate how Metacritic turn everything into a 100 point system (especially when the scale was a star system which the reviewers detail what each score means). And I hate how Metacritic gives some sites more weight than others (this recently became an issue with a factually incorrect Gamespot review of Natural Selection 2. They ended up re-doing the review, but the original score stuck because that's Metacritic's policy). I hate that bonuses, such as in the case of Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas, are sometimes tied to the Metacritic score. Are these the fault of the reviewer? No. It's just a broken system. Individually the scoring isn't so bad. But Metacritic's "opinion stew" (that's really what aggregated scores are) has too much sway these days. But the blame for these really does fall on the gamers and publishers who are too damn obsessed with it. If I hear one more person whining that a reviewer is just "trying to drag down the Metacritic average", I will...well I won't murder anyone. But I will sigh, shake my head and perhaps even write a perturbed reply! I'll do it, I swear!

Me? I do ignore the score and focus on the written review. There are a handful of reviewers (Destructoid has three of them: Jim, Jonathan, and Conrad) who "I get". Even if my opinion doesn't always align with theirs (though it fairly often does in the end), I have a good feel for their biases and what they emphasize. So I can read about what they didn't like and then think, "Yeah that really would bug me too" or "Meh, not as big a deal to me". This method works wonders for me.

Now I'm waiting for the one red glove, one black glove.

I don't mind review scores, if it's a true scale score system.

In a scale of 1-10, five is average. Not 7 or 8. 7's and 8's can still be really good. Iv'e enjoyed a fair few games that have received such.

Lvl 64 Klutz:

Legion:
I wish you'd went into more detail about why you like them, you mentioned they were fun and you liked debating them, but didn't really go into the reasons.

Personally I don't mind review scores. I just dislike the way 5/10 should mean average, but most people tend to think 7/10 is average and everything below that is bad. Obviously like you said, that's peoples problem, not the scores themselves.

It depends on how you look at the 10 point grading scale. If you look at it like an academic grade, then 7/10 *should* be the average/mediocre game. That's how most reviewers see it, even. Just look here on the Escapist where 2 and a half stars is usually accompanied by a "don't bother" recommendation and anything below that is pretty much considered garbage.

so by that logic (note: not all schooling systems use the same grade identifiers) and your explanation is only half accurate. the grading percentage is based on actual percent correctness, but the lettering system which has actually changed in definition was brought about as a short hand of quality measure. where 50% and bellow was deemed failing from a standpoint of do you really want an employee that is only right 50% of the time, and so on. while a A student is right 100% of the time (in an academic setting). so really the argument loses some merit because the way that the grade scale in which you describe it is based on a fallacy itself of accuracy of answers in an academic setting reflects how that person will perform in a work environment. where I know quite a few "F students" who are not only incredibly bright, but also a lot better in real world situations then "A students"

KiloFox:
i like the new gloves. they match the suit and make you look spiffy.
you don't wear enough Red for the red gloves to work in the same way.
snip...

I think the thicker gloves actually make the entire outfit look bulkier, and by nature make his head look fatter (sorry Jim) If you are going to go with black gloves for your body type you might want to try slim line, or riding black gloves for bicyclists, or motorcyclists as they will make your outfit look less bulky, and also it wont break the outfit up like the red ones did, but you might also run into an issue where to much of a gap between your glove, and your sleeve will make it seem like you stole the hands of a smaller person.

Draconalis:
I don't get it... if you hate review scores so much, why do you use them?

If you are directing this question towards Jim, then I'll have to ask you if you even watched the video. He claimed he likes review scores.

OT: I have no problem with review scores, but I would prefer categories like Gameplay, Story, etc. then you average all of them together.

I agree that it's not the reviewers fault that some people are idiots and get upset or misuse review scores.

Personally, I have no real problem with a numerical score, as long as the reviewer clearly defines what sort of game deserves a 5/10, 7/10 etc. The Escapist and Destructoid both have review score guides linked in all their reviews elaborating on the scoring system, so I see no reason to remove the scores.

Also, was that just a joke or has a publisher really left you voice messages over a bad review score? To be honest I not sure if that is hilarious or just sad.

Legion:
I wish you'd went into more detail about why you like them, you mentioned they were fun and you liked debating them, but didn't really go into the reasons.

Personally I don't mind review scores. I just dislike the way 5/10 should mean average, but most people tend to think 7/10 is average and everything below that is bad. Obviously like you said, that's peoples problem, not the scores themselves.

Agreed that would have been interesting and agreed that pisses me off. I recall the escapists own Susan Ardent bringing up that point of the average being a sort of 7/10 score, but never really went into from there.

It seems ridiculous to me that the average is so bloody high, move the god damn average. That's how IQ works. The average IQ moves a lot... so they change the grading system to match it.

I personally like the way Jim's own site destructoid handles scores, Jim has a very specific scoring sheet which genuinely has 5 as the Average.

My problem with review scores is that it distracts from the content and gives you a faulty metric with which to compare apples to oranges i.e. compare Crusader Kings 2 to Planetside 2, there's essentially nothing in common execpt for the presence of a map in both games. It's a preference and I can see why people who are interested in a shorthand version of the writer's opinion on a game like them, I'd just rather read the article and draw my own conclusions as opposed to being handed a hard conclusion.

Yathzee has a pretty good reason why he doesn't use scores still I find it a bit silly to ban review scores outright they can be quite handy.

Good perspective Jim. I also read a comment on here about how "anything below a 7 is bad". I don't think that's the case, and I think Jim pointed out that reading the score, then reading the article associated with the score is the way to go. If some people can't be assed to read an article attached to a score then that's their problem, and they won't get the reviewer's real opinion. People limit their own ability to form an educated opinion when they ignore articles as well. I actually like to read/watch multiple reviews of the same game and form my own opinion based on information I've gathered from sources I trust (like this site) before I drop my hard-earned cash on the counter.

So you missed the most obvious point? How about the fact that scores provide zero information! None! Nothing!

comadorcrack:

Legion:
I wish you'd went into more detail about why you like them, you mentioned they were fun and you liked debating them, but didn't really go into the reasons.

Personally I don't mind review scores. I just dislike the way 5/10 should mean average, but most people tend to think 7/10 is average and everything below that is bad. Obviously like you said, that's peoples problem, not the scores themselves.

Agreed that would have been interesting and agreed that pisses me off. I recall the escapists own Susan Ardent bringing up that point of the average being a sort of 7/10 score, but never really went into from there.

It seems ridiculous to me that the average is so bloody high, move the god damn average. That's how IQ works. The average IQ moves a lot... so they change the grading system to match it.

I personally like the way Jim's own site destructoid handles scores, Jim has a very specific scoring sheet which genuinely has 5 as the Average.

It's born out of two things. The first of which being people are fixated on their "school" grading system where a 6/10 is probably just barely passing, if that. So, a 7/10, a C, is seen as "average." Reviewers and readers who are used to that scoring system can't psychologically break away from it. To them, a 5/10 is a 50%, a pretty solid Fail. That's why you get the people like Cliffy B getting his panties knotted up when his game gets an 8/10. To him, that's a B, good, not great, when in an actual 10 point system, it would be far above average and should be considered great.

The second issue, which Jim addressed partially, is when people are of the mind-set that a 5/10 is failure, 7 and 8 is a very safe number. A publisher sees an 7 out of ten and they're more or less placated. They can sit back and think they did "good enough" as most C students who don't aspire for better would. Their feelings aren't hurt so business relationships aren't harmed. Then you get places like Konami, Activision or SquareEnix who if you don't work the shaft good enough and give them that 9/10, they'll take their ball and go home.

LazyGlader:
If you are directing this question towards Jim, then I'll have to ask you if you even watched the video. He claimed he likes review scores.

Yes...I watched the video. I was being fictitious...

Jim should do audio clips rather than videos. I don't need to watch streams of clips from Japanese games I don't care about while at the same time listening to completely unrelated streams of Jim's occasionally funny/entertaining monologues.

Scars Unseen:
Presentation: 7
Graphics: 8
Audio: i
Jim: 6.0221415 x 1023

Final Score(not an average): frog

Frog? FROG???
What is wrong with reviewers these days?
Are they all that stupid that they need to compensate their lacking intelligence (and probably small penis) by demeaning work of other people who are more talented, handsome and rich? You are just bias and jealous
That video deserved at least TOAD and if you don't agree with me, then I hope your penis will get chewed off by rabid chimpanzee.
Because I'm right and you're wrong. No, not even that, you're WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!!!

P.S.That was sarcastic comment, please don't ban me.

i don't really have a problem with scores it's just that they make no sense. first of all i don't believe a complex opinion can be quantified numerically and if it could you would have to decide on a universal scale to use it on, which also makes no sense because different people value things differently.

and there is this weird thing right now where 7/10 is average

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