Black Ops 2 Is Like A Rich Jerk

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Bindal:

NameIsRobertPaulson:

The shoe appears in 3 levels
The sun appears in 4
The beetles appear in 2

Just saying.

You're wrong.

Just saying.

Unless we talk about two different "Super Mario Bros. 3" games, then no, none of these things made more than one appearance. I played the game about 50 minimum already, in 100%-runs, speed runs, mix of both, on the NES, SNES and GBA. Even got the official strategy guide (about 120 pages) and read that thing a good bunch of times.
And no, those things only made an appearance in ONE level each. And considering that this was a game with about 100 levels instead of 10 like CoD, that is actually EVEN WORSE than CoD. Heck, even if they were all in 5 levels, that would be relatively seen less than CoD had.

And yes - just because it's the same as usual doesn't mean he should plainly ignore it. I would be already fine with having one or two sentences. Just aknowledge that the MP is THERE is enough. But to simply ignore it as if doesn't exists? No, that's wrong, period.
Same for Zombies, which IS offering even new things. Again, he didn't even bother to mention that it EXISTED. He did so with BO1 (and indirectly WaW in the BO1-Video as well). It were just a few lines back then - but that's still more than nothing.

AlwaysPractical:
As a German, I fully understand where you're coming from. The game starts by you massacaring black people that run at you with machetes, then goes on to slaughter arabs on horse back, all the while the admiral sits in base going "yeaaahhhh, that was textbook!" I haven't been this disgusted by a CoD game in a while. At least the NPCs in MW 1, 2 and 3 kept their neutrality. The first Black Ops' campaign was almost as bad as this one. Treyarch, how can you be worse than infinity ward?

If you took THAT out of the game, you didn't pay any attention, did you? The two mentioned events (Mission 1 and 3, respectively) take play in the 1980s and are actual black operations on regards of the CIA. The "That was textbook"-lines is from a successful Strike Force Mission in 2025. One that is NOT black but green and official. AGAINST AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT GROUP OF PEOPLE!
But hey - if you don't want to be taken serious anymore, keep on talking like that.

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Have a fork so you can eat your words. Sun appears in World 2 Desert, 4-7, and 8-2. Above screenshot is 8-2.

Shoe appears in 5-3 and 5-8.

So much for your guides and speed runs...

Waffle_Man:

Treblaine:

Anyway, now I've read it this just shows that yahtzee doesn't LIKE playing multiplayer...

An opinion, something he is paid to express.

I just wish he'd express his opinion on the 2/3rds of the game that he did more than ignore, he acted like everyone else ignored it.

Only a few points. Firstly, well done article.

I don't understand all the people who want him to review multi-player. Has it changed in any way from CoD4? My brother and I have played all the games since CoD4 and he really enjoys them never touched single-player but they only reason we update is because everyone else does. They just re-skin it.

Third, Big Ben is a game critic, what would he be able to say about multiplayer? I hate people and this part of the game has finally been perfected after 5 iterations of the same game? Oh but I still hat multiplayer. Nothing anything he said would have no value.

Singleplayer is the realm where the game flourishes, it's the part of the game where the creator can make the game interact with you as they designed. CoD doesn't do that as a series anymore. They were innovate in CoD4 MWn and yatzee seemed intrigued by that game, but they haven't changed yet. Do you find Donald Trump to be classy? That's where CoD has landed.

Treblaine:

Waffle_Man:

Treblaine:

Anyway, now I've read it this just shows that yahtzee doesn't LIKE playing multiplayer...

An opinion, something he is paid to express.

I just wish he'd express his opinion on the 2/3rds of the game that he did more than ignore, he acted like everyone else ignored it.

Waffle_Man:

Would you be any happier if he had simply played zombies and said that it was boring? It wouldn't make his videos any funnier, nor would it make his columns any more thoughtful. Hell, it would become annoying by the third review. Going by what he has said, the reason he plays primarily single player games isn't because he thinks that there is anything wrong with competitive multiplayer, but because it simply doesn't interest him. I can give detailed critiques of all sorts of art, but I'd stare at someone blankly if I was asked about my opinion on fashion trends. It isn't because I think that the idea of fashion is worthless, but because I don't care about it enough to form an arguable opinion.

Yatzee can talk about single player and come up with criticisms because the single player is something he has a vested interest in. It would be interesting to see Yatzee play multiplayer and try to figure out why people like it (which he has done to some extent, but that really isn't his style and I don't think forcing him to do so would make him better at what people watch him for.

I think this whole article is really his way of hinting at what clothing related item he wants for Christmas.

Darth_Payn:

Treblaine:

Well it's a war game, they have to fight someone. Just randomly selecting a country chances are they won't be fighting other Americans. Is it really fair to say an American game can only be about fighting Americans?

MW2 you spent the last act fighting and killing Americans where the main villain was a US general.

What more do you want? It's rather selective to look at "ooh, they just showing Russians as the bad guy" while ignoring how the main bad guy is an Actively Serving US Army General. MW series took the time to make clear that not all Russians were bad with Nicoli and again with Yuri and saving the Russian President as of paramount importance. Black Ops again had a Russian hero protagonist in Viktor Reznov and a heroic uprising by Russian political prisoners against their captors as well as re-living the life of a Russian soldier fighting the Nazis and show how he was betrayed by the SYSTEM not that "all Russians are bad".

COD single-player campaigns are poorly written and poorly placed but they aren't racist or xenophobic.

If they were, then why would they have all these elements that a xenophobe would be instantly turned off by.

The crime of COD is bad gameplay design and hackneyed storytelling.

Bindal:

WanderingFool:
While true in some cases, it doesnt hurt to try something new every once in a while, and COD did need something new. Thankfully, Blops 2 did try something new, in both MP and SP. Im loving it. I do hope that, since its already a fact MW4 is coming out, that they do the same in its campiagn (with multiple endings and branching paths) as Blops 2 did.

Modern Warfare? Trying something new?
Are we talking about the same Modern Warfare games? Because the MW games I know REFUSE to change. I think, TotalBiscuit described it best. "Infinity Wards have stuck to the rail so frigging hard you would think the rail was magnetised. And glued. And then glued again."
So, expect the biggest change to be a new name for the Nuke.

You both hit the nail on the head with what's wrong with CoD & the other spunkgargleweewee games. The lack of change to the core of CoD's SP mode has caused it to stagnate and take wildly insane directions and not care about narrative logic or allow the player to do much to drive the story, often snatching control away for a set-piece cutscene. A waste of resources is what it is! OK, that's the end of my old man rant.

...AKA 'I haven't played Black Ops 2 and am just complaining 'cause it's cool'. Which is basically what Yahtzee did, considering that he didn't mention the fact that the game does allow the player to change the conflict, among other things which are minor but nice touches regardless (Such as flying too close to burning wreckage in one level will cause Harper's face to be scarred for the rest of the game) and only passed over the Strike Force missions in passing. Which you can fail, and failing them will change the narrative.

Squilookle:
Wait- he doesn't vote? In Australia? Isn't it mandatory?

Only if you're a citizen. Permanent residents don't.

Treblaine:

Wasn't there a whole jimquisition episode dedicated to reiterating the self-evident fact that games are NOT film, and if you try to treat games like film then they will ALWAYS be inferior to film.

True of the moment (for the most part), but 'always'? Not necessarily. Telling a compelling story is not media dependent and can be done in a multitude of forms. What changes is the author's skill at using the medium to support the narrative, instead of fighting with their chosen medium. If it's a struggle, perhaps it's just the wrong way to tell that particular story.

If multiplayer is a primary component, it should be considered in the review. This anal focus on the singleplayer is elitist at best.

Yahtzee Croshaw:
A fully priced game should stand on single player alone (or something like that)

I remember Yahtzee mentioning this in a video a couple of years or so ago and I simply cannot agree. DoW2 had a very detailed multiplayer and it has entertained me since 2009. I would think that that was money well spent, regardless of the "OK" campaigns for that game and its expansions. Likewise, this would be dismissing Counter-Strike, which was only deposed from the Steam play stats board for a very short time by Skyrim. A well balanced multiplayer is great.

If you want a real-life parallel, think poker and solitaire.

N-Vee:

Alright. Herein is my capsule review of the 'important' part of COD: The Multiplayer.

The narrative is non-existant. Consistent character arcs seem to be completely eschewed in favor of the constant din of runny-gunny shooty gameplay. Voice acting is in dire need of several more passes as I am certain a few actors had their voices pitched five times higher than normal to sound like children. There is no motivation or plot, on the level of the individual character or overall for the run of the game only unreasonable conflict without reason. To misquote the Bard, the game is a poor player, that struts and frets it's hour upon the stage, and then is heard no more; it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Does that answer why the story is critiqued, instead of the multiplayer?

1. I doubt you played any of the Modern Warfare games.
2. If you did, and were looking for a narrative, that's hilarious.

Yahtzee reviewing CoD is comical. Not because he's funny anymore, but because his reactions are so played out. You know, Yahtz (is it okay if I call you "Yahtz"?) you are a shitty critic if you refuse to play more than half the game. I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. You could be forgiven if the game was some 100 hour long JRPG and you hated everything about it from minute 1, but this ain't that. I get why you didn't finish the latest Final Fantasy--neither did I. But it's not exactly difficult to load up zombies or mutliplayer and play a few matches. It would've taken you all of 1 hour to do both of those things, and you didn't.

I didn't expect Yahtzee to like BOII, nor do I care that I couldn't have been more right, but it does bother me that with each video he seems to be getting progressively more lazy. And significantly less funny, I might add. Some of his reviews are pretty interchangeable. You could swap the audio on two of his videos and you probably wouldn't notice a difference unless he mentions the name of the game.

Oh well. No skin off my back.

Treblaine:
I suppose that makes me the worst person in the world. Or maybe it was a relatable mistake.

A relatable mistake? For someone who's apparently been here for over four years with 8000+ posts, do you really expect me, or heck, anyone, to believe that?

Unless you've never read a column on the Escapist up to this point, this would without a doubt be willful ignorance.

But there were no buttons to click to read MY POST. Did you just get to the first sentence of mine, find an inconsistency and think "AH HA! I now can formulate a gotcha response and be snide about it rather than have a respectful discussion"? Well?

No, I saw your question "Why are critics of COD so afraid of considering COD's multiplayer?" and felt like giving you a link to one of his other columns that more or less explained his view on multiplayer in what I would consider a moderately friendly fashion.

I'd like to know WHY you have ignored all I've said since then, particularly this part that is very pertinent:

And even if was so adamant about not reviewing multiplayer games, then that is grounds for him NOT REVIEWING BLACK OPS 2 AT ALL! As he should recognise that's what Black Ops 2 mainly is.

So it all comes down to you wanting him to acknowledge the fact that the multiplayer is the biggest part of the CoD-series?
Y'know, I'm pretty sure he isn't completely oblivious to that fact just because he doesn't mention it, but seeing as there is a singleplayer-campaign in there, then like it or not, that's (usually) the one thing that he's going to review.
You wouldn't honestly believe that he judges the game's multiplayer by the game's singleplayer, would you?

Anyway, now I've read it this just shows that yahtzee doesn't LIKE playing multiplayer...

No no, it's competitive multiplayer that he doesn't like, he didn't outright say that he didn't like any multiplayer at all.

well I'm sorry that a small part of his job may involve doing something he doesn't like, but it's not like he has the worst job in the world.

So you're suggesting that he should be forced to review the multiplayer?

That is still not any sort of excuse for his poor journalism...

According to who?

...of reviewing Black Ops 2 as if it only consisted of the single-player campaign and drawing conclusions of the industry and playerbase from the success of the game on that assertion it was mainly singleplayer.

Again, you're jumping to the conclusion that he really is completely oblivious of the multiplayer.

And Zombies as well. He skipped that as well even though it's such a major feature it can be a default launch option.

...except that he sort of already did in his review of the original Black Ops.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2486-Call-of-Duty-Black-Ops

And y'know what? He said that he found it fun back then, and seeing how he's said in the past that anything he doesn't mention is usually fine, so you can probably take that for what it's worth.

He says he doesn't want to be political, no I think he want to be political, he just doesn't want to deal with the consequences of being political. Kind of like wanting to eat a cake yet still have the cake after he's eaten it... so to speak.

Care to give an example of what might give away this "hidden will to be political"?

I'll need some sleep now.

*Rolls Eyes*

The Priviliged whites?

You realize many First world and developed countires are more than white, Right?

But hey, Im American so what I say dosent matter right? I must be the source of all the worlds problems even though im still in high school...

OP: Damn, I liked Yahtzee more when he was a game critic, not using a strawman argument to accuse people of racism just because they played a game...

jmarquiso:
and the military tech porn isn't helping.

As a former/recovering military tech addict... no... COD is not military tech porn.

That's like calling Armageddon a film made for NASA fanboys, no, it's got space rockets in it but it's about spaceflight, but it anyone who knows anything about spaceflight cringes watching a film like Armageddon.

COD has a John Woo approach to guns, taking the superficial but utterly screwing with the stats and even chronological existence just to impress frat boys. A G11 assault rife in 1968?!?!? It wasn't even out of prototype in 1991!!! FAMAS and AUG? Not till 1980's.

Things like the heartbeat sensor of MW2 are just a slap in the face, it's just a pop culture rip-off from Aliens and anyone who follows military tech knows that's 100% fantasy, but to some frat guys it seems plausible enough... if they know nothing about military tech.

I mean it's about as profound to have something like a heartbeat sensor as having heat-seeking bullets that can bend around corners.

Waffle_Man:

Treblaine:

Waffle_Man:

An opinion, something he is paid to express.

I just wish he'd express his opinion on the 2/3rds of the game that he did more than ignore, he acted like everyone else ignored it.

Waffle_Man:

Would you be any happier if he had simply played zombies and said that it was boring? It wouldn't make his videos any funnier, nor would it make his columns any more thoughtful. Hell, it would become annoying by the third review. Going by what he has said, the reason he plays primarily single player games isn't because he thinks that there is anything wrong with competitive multiplayer, but because it simply doesn't interest him. I can give detailed critiques of all sorts of art, but I'd stare at someone blankly if I was asked about my opinion on fashion trends. It isn't because I think that the idea of fashion is worthless, but because I don't care about it enough to form an arguable opinion.

Yatzee can talk about single player and come up with criticisms because the single player is something he has a vested interest in. It would be interesting to see Yatzee play multiplayer and try to figure out why people like it (which he has done to some extent, but that really isn't his style and I don't think forcing him to do so would make him better at what people watch him for.

He obviously has not, not to any extent.

He also did not touch on Zombies Segment, not to any extent.

You asked me a question and I answered it. Quoting what you've already said again back at me does not address my response, it's a dismissal of the allegations he makes in this review.

I can't fault his assessment of Black Ops 2's singleplayer, he thinks it's racist, that's insane but so what, it was somewhat whimsical in a painfully forced way. My problem is with him acting like this hackneyed single-player was the game's selling point and this was all that Black Ops 2 was when no COD game has even marginally stood on the merits of its single-player since 2007. He went from a "lol, unexpected racism" perspective that he used with his review of Uncharted, to "People who buy any COD game are bad people, because of its singleplayer".

I'm not forcing him to do anything. I am asking and expecting and saying he should not misrepresent the game and the people that buy it.

PS: How can he do critical reviews of games yet not be a games journalist? That is the industry definition of a games journalist.

BarbaricGoose:
Yahtzee reviewing CoD is comical. Not because he's funny anymore, but because his reactions are so played out. You know, Yahtz (is it okay if I call you "Yahtz"?) you are a shitty critic if you refuse to play more than half the game. I'm sorry, but that's just the truth. You could be forgiven if the game was some 100 hour long JRPG and you hated everything about it from minute 1, but this ain't that. I get why you didn't finish the latest Final Fantasy--neither did I. But it's not exactly difficult to load up zombies or mutliplayer and play a few matches. It would've taken you all of 1 hour to do both of those things, and you didn't.

I didn't expect Yahtzee to like BOII, nor do I care that I couldn't have been more right, but it does bother me that with each video he seems to be getting progressively more lazy. And significantly less funny, I might add. Some of his reviews are pretty interchangeable. You could swap the audio on two of his videos and you probably wouldn't notice a difference unless he mentions the name of the game.

Oh well. No skin off my back.

I think he mentioned that internet assholes put him off, and I don't think that he ever pretended to be a real reviewer. The funniness factor has dwindled a bit, possibly because the recent games that have been coming out were not poorly crafted or anything, they were just boring or used an ancient formula. I know, I know, good comedian, phonebook, whatever.

xptn40S:

Treblaine:
I suppose that makes me the worst person in the world. Or maybe it was a relatable mistake.

A relatable mistake? For someone who's apparently been here for over four years with 8000+ posts, do you really expect me, or heck, anyone, to believe that?

Unless you've never read a column on the Escapist up to this point, this would without a doubt be willful ignorance.

Sight layout has changed in the past month, where I've not been using this site much.

It's precisely because of me being used to after 4 year the layout being a certain way that I would make such a mistake.

Dayum the COD fanboys are out in force today but anyway good article good points

Treblaine:

xptn40S:

Treblaine:
I suppose that makes me the worst person in the world. Or maybe it was a relatable mistake.

A relatable mistake? For someone who's apparently been here for over four years with 8000+ posts, do you really expect me, or heck, anyone, to believe that?

Unless you've never read a column on the Escapist up to this point, this would without a doubt be willful ignorance.

Sight layout has changed in the past month, where I've not been using this site much.

It's precisely because of me being used to after 4 year the layout being a certain way that I would make such a mistake.

Yeah no, I'm not buying it, the "Next page" button is still down in the lower right corner of the columns.

But hey, I won't brood over this any longer.

(...okay, now I'll go to bed.)

It's so privileged it can't focus on shit. It constantly hops from location to location, making massive jumps back and forward in linear time so you're only subjected to the exciting moments, and whenever it gets bored it throws another vehicle or gadget at you to use for the next minute or so and never again.

Is he reviewing Call of Duty or Cloud Atlas?

But seriously, that's been COD design philosophy ever since the World War 2 games. It works for a male general-interest all-comers demographic and that's fine. And you nerds should be getting down on your knees and thanking God for football, because if the jocks didn't have that, The South Would Rise Again and they'd all be playing Call of Duty for realsies. War was traditionally the great male general-interest sport of the ages, and the only reason everyone cries about it now is because it's been relegated to a select group of professionals. You see more disturbing things and decisions in emergency rooms on a daily basis.

You want educational racist games, go with something like "Prime Directive Enforcement Squad."

Setting: A planet that received modern technology and weapons with no prior culture, co-evolution, or ability to create those weapons for themselves has revolted and trapped a team of offworld do-gooders. Your rescue team crash-lands on the planet and finds out that the people they're supposed to rescue have become leaders of various warring fiefdoms.

Some of them are innocent normals just trying to make their way in the world, some have the air of the scientist who sees the situation as a gigantic experiment they're personally invested in that must not be disturbed, some have developed a sick fascination for the reversion to bestial nature and seek to spread it to all, some are optimistic hopers against all hope, and some just want to carve out a niche for themselves in a foreign land. I guess maybe like the Walking Dead, but with urban sentients clashing with proto-sentients.

Or you could drop the allegorical folderol entirely and just set it in Africa with a cast of Asians, Indians, whites, and White Hispanics(TM.) They control your funding and your factions.

The Lawful Good ending is where you make peace among the tired-of-bloodletting tribes by organizing a pan-African pride sporting event remarkably like football.

Respect tradition, bitches!

xptn40S:

So it all comes down to you wanting him to acknowledge the fact that the multiplayer is the biggest part of the CoD-series?
Y'know, I'm pretty sure he isn't completely oblivious to that fact just because he doesn't mention it, but seeing as there is a singleplayer-campaign in there, then like it or not, that's (usually) the one thing that he's going to review.
You wouldn't honestly believe that he judges the game's multiplayer by the game's singleplayer, would you?

I never said he was oblivious, I said he ignored it. Oblivious would be he couldn't find the multiplayer or zombies mode tough looking for it.

He DID ignore it from his review and his followup.

I don't think he judged the multiplayer at all, I think he completley ignored it and didn't factor the multiplayer at all in weighing the success of the game, concluding the content of the singleplayer was principal in the target audience's mind.

So you're suggesting that he should be forced to review the multiplayer?

No. I'm just saying he should.

...of reviewing Black Ops 2 as if it only consisted of the single-player campaign and drawing conclusions of the industry and playerbase from the success of the game on that assertion it was mainly singleplayer.

Again, you're jumping to the conclusion that he really is completely oblivious of the multiplayer.

No jumping to any conclusion. He REALLY DID not mention the multiplayer at all yet talked of the game's success in the context of the singleplayer as if that was the reason for it's success and that there was something perverse about the industry for buying a game for such a singleplayer.

That's misrepresentative.

Zombies Segment is different, he could give SOME mention of it, whether it is the same, better or worse or whether it's bad that it is the way it is. But he didn't say anything but to continue his political rant about singleplayer. It's all the more objectionable that he had the time for Zombies in his Black Ops review but not for Black Ops 2 where it was an even more significant role. He could have said something about its significance or its worth, but it was pushed aside in a rant about Black Ops 2 in the political context rather than how it stood on its own.

He says he doesn't want to be political, no I think he want to be political, he just doesn't want to deal with the consequences of being political. Kind of like wanting to eat a cake yet still have the cake after he's eaten it... so to speak.

Care to give an example of what might give away this "hidden will to be political"?

The bit where he rants about politics then backtracks from the backlash. It's not any hidden will, it's obvious, he just isn't being entirely honest when he says he doesn't want to be political. I mean instead of editing his text, he goes "oops, mustn't say that" as if he was live on the radio.

I feel like Yahtzee deserves a commendation for just sitting through all these CoD games. My interest in the CoD Modern Warfare series died at entry number 2 and nothing I've seen in the recent years has managed to renew my interest. I'm kind of wondering who these 10 million people are that bought this game and if these people are just buying CoD because they need to get their moneys worth out of their XBox 360.

... you know, I just realized I still have an Xbox live subscription going and I haven't touched my white brick in two years. Crap, that beer goggled squirrel was right! It's nothing without Halo and Call of Duty! ~ ~

CrossLOPER:

I think he mentioned that internet assholes put him off, and I don't think that he ever pretended to be a real reviewer. The funniness factor has dwindled a bit, possibly because the recent games that have been coming out were not poorly crafted or anything, they were just boring or used an ancient formula. I know, I know, good comedian, phonebook, whatever.

I'm sorry if Yahtzee is getting his feelings hurt. I genuinely am. But I stand by what I said. He is very much a critic. Pretty much all definitions of the word fit what he does to the T, but I found this one to be particularly well suited: a person who tends too readily to make captious, trivial, or harsh judgments; faultfinder. If he wasn't a professional critic, I probably wouldn't give a shit if he only played 30-40% of each game before he lambasted it, but since he IS a professional, it very much bothers me. If his humor was still more than just sex pun after sex pun, I could forgive him for being lazy in that department, but... fuck. Anyone can make a sex joke, but very few can make good ones. They're traps!

Maybe his humor was ALWAYS 90% sex jokes, and I just got tired of it somewhere down the line. Maybe it's me. Anyway, thank GOD for Jim Sterling, or I'd have zero reason to visit this site.

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xptn40S:

Treblaine:

xptn40S:

A relatable mistake? For someone who's apparently been here for over four years with 8000+ posts, do you really expect me, or heck, anyone, to believe that?

Unless you've never read a column on the Escapist up to this point, this would without a doubt be willful ignorance.

Sight layout has changed in the past month, where I've not been using this site much.

It's precisely because of me being used to after 4 year the layout being a certain way that I would make such a mistake.

Yeah no, I'm not buying it, the "Next page" button is still down in the lower right corner of the columns.

But hey, I won't brood over this any longer.

(...okay, now I'll go to bed.)

What the hell has happened to this site? Why are we getting forum post like this, when I'm accused of wilful ignorance, and after I give an explanation the only reply is a flat denial and reaffirming of the accusation of nefariousness.

Why even reply with just that? How about if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm fed up of this shit. I really am. This used to be a good site, now people are just so means spirited, I've have more uncivil conservations on this site than in youtube comments section. The mods may have stopped people cussing each other out, but they can't stop people being so snide and venomous, it's unbelievable the type of crap that goes on.

Every reply to my comments, is full of "ooh, so I suppose you want *insert exaggeration here*" no. You know what I expect, I just said it, now you are repeating a complete exaggeration that's totally extreme and so far beyond what I said.

When did it all become so tabloid.

I haven't tried it yet myself. It sounds like they could have made a longer game or broke it into two parts. Their loss.

Edit: this kind of reminds me of a gripe I had about Perfect Dark. They constantly introduce new gadgets and devices for each mission. A pretty fun game actually but I wish you had just a little more time to play with each new gadget or device.

Treblaine:

xptn40S:

Treblaine:

Sight layout has changed in the past month, where I've not been using this site much.

It's precisely because of me being used to after 4 year the layout being a certain way that I would make such a mistake.

Yeah no, I'm not buying it, the "Next page" button is still down in the lower right corner of the columns.

But hey, I won't brood over this any longer.

(...okay, now I'll go to bed.)

What the hell has happened to this site? Why are we getting forum post like this, when I'm accused of wilful ignorance, and after I give an explanation the only reply is a flat denial and reaffirming of the accusation of nefariousness.

Why even reply with just that? How about if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm fed up of this shit. I really am. This used to be a good site, now people are just so means spirited, I've have more uncivil conservations on this site than in youtube comments section. The mods may have stopped people cussing each other out, but they can't stop people being so snide and venomous, it's unbelievable the type of crap that goes on.

Every reply to my comments, is full of "ooh, so I suppose you want *insert exaggeration here*" no. You know what I expect, I just said it, now you are repeating a complete exaggeration that's totally extreme and so far beyond what I said.

When did it all become so tabloid.

I don't know! I'm too new! ~ ~

Treblaine:

xptn40S:

Treblaine:

Sight layout has changed in the past month, where I've not been using this site much.

It's precisely because of me being used to after 4 year the layout being a certain way that I would make such a mistake.

Yeah no, I'm not buying it, the "Next page" button is still down in the lower right corner of the columns.

But hey, I won't brood over this any longer.

(...okay, now I'll go to bed.)

What the hell has happened to this site? Why are we getting forum post like this, when I'm accused of wilful ignorance, and after I give an explanation the only reply is a flat denial and reaffirming of the accusation of nefariousness.

Why even reply with just that? How about if you haven't got anything nice to say, don't say anything at all. I'm fed up of this shit. I really am. This used to be a good site, now people are just so means spirited, I've have more uncivil conservations on this site than in youtube comments section. The mods may have stopped people cussing each other out, but they can't stop people being so snide and venomous, it's unbelievable the type of crap that goes on.

Every reply to my comments, is full of "ooh, so I suppose you want *insert exaggeration here*" no. You know what I expect, I just said it, now you are repeating a complete exaggeration that's totally extreme and so far beyond what I said.

When did it all become so tabloid.

Maybe you would have more civil discussions if you were more civil sir or madam

Xdeser2:
*Rolls Eyes*

The Priviliged whites?

You realize many First world and developed countires are more than white, Right?

But hey, Im American so what I say dosent matter right? I must be the source of all the worlds problems even though im still in high school...

OP: Damn, I liked Yahtzee more when he was a game critic, not using a strawman argument to accuse people of racism just because they played a game...

You know...

Feel free to call me crazy here but I think that maybe, just maybe he might be exaggerating for comic effect...

I don't see his problem with multiplayer. I mean respawns are instant, surely he isn't insecure enough that he can't deal with his number not being as big as the other man's number, especially if it get's him material for his popular weekly show that can help him earn some scratch.

See I'd REALLY like so see him rip into an analyse COD's multiplayer, it's something that has intrigued, confounded and annoyed me. I've been simultaneously attracted to it and appalled by it, I want his perspective on both why it is so popular, and also why it is so reviled. I can't quite put my finger on it myself and Ben has insight on these sorts of things of noticing things that have annoyed us for long but we couldn't quite summarise.

kenu12345:
Maybe you would have more civil discussions if you were more civil sir or madam

Where was I uncivil? Please point it out so I can apologise for such error in character.

And when did incivility become licence to be uncivil yourself? This isn't self defence, snideness is no counter to snideness.

=#token:0#:
You asked me a question and I answered it. Quoting what you've already said again back at me does not address my response, it's a dismissal of the allegations he makes in this review.

I repeated myself because I perceived your answer as begging the question. You didn't answer a question, you simply responded to a lone comment at the top of my post. I could probably respond to most of the following with other things that I've already said, but out of respect, I won't.

Waffle_Man:

]It would be interesting to see Yatzee play multiplayer and try to figure out why people like it (which he has done to some extent, but that really isn't his style and I don't think forcing him to do so would make him better at what people watch him for.

He obviously has not, not to any extent.

So? The point was that it was an interesting hypothetical, but not something I'd expect, let alone demand, he do.
He isn't a journalist, so I wouldn't expect him to act as one.

He also did not touch on Zombies Segment, not to any extent.

Would the movie have been made any better by touching on the zombie segment? Would it have been funnier if he had said "also, there's zombies. I didn't find it fun." Would the column have been better if he had said "also, there is zombies. I didn't find it fun."

I can't fault his assessment of Black Ops 2's singleplayer, he thinks it's racist, that's insane but so what, it was somewhat whimsical in a painfully forced way. My problem is with him acting like this hackneyed single-player was the game's selling point and this was all that Black Ops 2 was when no COD game has even marginally stood on the merits of its single-player since 2007.

He cares about the single player. He doesn't like the single player in Black Ops 2. Is he wrong?

He went from a "lol, unexpected racism" perspective that he used with his review of Uncharted, to "People who buy any COD game are bad people, because of its singleplayer".

He also said "Hitler was right" in one of his videos. His humor works on hyperbole. Where did he say "all people who buy COD games are bad" in the column? If he did say that, I would be the first to admit that it was a bit of a dick move on his part, but it doesn't negate the essence of the criticism.

I'm not forcing him to do anything. I am asking and expecting and saying he should not misrepresent the game and the people that buy it.

I can't really say anything to this end unless you can find me a quote where he willfully lies that isn't in a comedic context. Hell, show me where he outright lies that is in a comedic context.

PS: How can he do critical reviews of games yet not be a games journalist? That is the industry definition of a games journalist.

Reviews are not journalism by definition. Reviews require subjectivity. Journalism is about being as objective as possible. Do you have any idea what a journalistic review would look like? If not, you do now.

It's the same way with his column. It's all about his opinions, which is practically the opposite of journalism.

Treblaine:

Where was I uncivil? Please point it out so I can apologise for such error in character.

And when did incivility become licence to be uncivil yourself? This isn't self defence, snideness is no counter to snideness.

The tone of all your posts plus from what I've seen blantantly ignoring certain things. Dont take this as anything but a comment. I meant no insult in this just wanted to point out something

Kopikatsu:
SNIP

I was just reading through your conversation with jmarquiso. I really liked it, but I have to disagree with you.

"Same dealie with Call of Duty. It never, EVER claimed to be a deep, intellectual experience. It's meant to be Michael Bay: The Film: The Game and that's how it should be judged."

But that's not an excuse for being bad at what it is (or at least, not being the best). Modern CoD is built around setpieces, gun battles, and one-off varied sections. They had them well balanced in CoD 4, where you could be watching a building blow up at one point, fight through the ruins the next, and provide air support the one after. However, the developers have become so enamored with the possibilities of set-pieces and special sections that a lot of the actual first-person shooting takes a back seat. It's not the thought that CoD isn't scratching the same itch as Shadow of the Colossus that bugs me (and apparently Yahtzee), it's the schizophrenia that detracts from the actual game.

"I don't expect there to be any character development in a James Bond film- not because he's mostly about explosions, sex, and gadgets; but because...there are probably like a hundred different books/films/video games about James Bond's whole shtick. Why would his character develop any from doing something that he's done a million times previously?"

James Bond does change and evolve-while some (like Brosnan) stay relatively flat, you can watch the change in On Her Majesty's Secret Service to Diamonds are Forever and see how the character develops when Blofeld kills his wife. They didn't need to do that, but they did because they wanted to add depth and nuance where there was none before, and make the movies more fun to watch as a result. The explosions, sex, and gadgets aren't going away, but they are having a comfortable frame built around them so that, if they can't quite hold up, they can still survive. That metaphor got kinda strange, but you can see what I'm saying, right? Give your audience the best that you can, not trying to stick to what you think they expect, and you'll come out with a better product.

Kopikatsu:

-snip-

Same dealie with Call of Duty. It never, EVER claimed to be a deep, intellectual experience. It's meant to be Michael Bay: The Film: The Game and that's how it should be judged.

It has shooting, it has explosions, and everything is very pretty. So it succeeded at what it was trying to do and should be rated accordingly.

Let me counteract your opinion with one I share with the late Gene Siskel:

"A film that aims low should not be praised for hitting that target."
-Gene Siskel

The critic is referring to films in his statement, but video games should be subject to the same standards, perhaps even more so, due to the fact that games are longer than movies, and will be more thoroughly explored by the audience.
The way you judge bad games should not be any different from the way you judge good games.

Squilookle:
Wait- he doesn't vote? In Australia? Isn't it mandatory?

Well in Australia if you do not vote you get fined. Or Zero may just make a flop vote.

I live in Australia.

kenu12345:

Treblaine:

Where was I uncivil? Please point it out so I can apologise for such error in character.

And when did incivility become licence to be uncivil yourself? This isn't self defence, snideness is no counter to snideness.

The tone of all your posts plus from what I've seen blantantly ignoring certain things. Dont take this as anything but a comment. I meant no insult in this just wanted to point out something

It's written, there is no tone to it, what do you mean? The tone of it all, come on, what's that supposed to mean?

What specifically have I blatantly ignored? Other than inflammatory comments that aren't worth replying to. That's not incivility, that's restraint.

"I meant no insult"

Doesn't mean you weren't. Now you have me worried I've been offensive and you won't even tell me where... what the hell, man?!?

inkheart_artist:
Did anyone else catch that high school drop out part? I'm a bit surprised by that if its true.

I reckon it is, he is not the person who conforms to society and rules.

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