Skyrim: Dragonborn Review

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Skyrim: Dragonborn Review

Riding a dragon isn't that great, but the DLC is worth it.

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Good work Nas, I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're a fellow Khajiit-player XD

It's interesting to see the perspective on this DLC from someone who hasn't played Morrowind, because it's pretty easy to fall into the trap of comparing this DLC to that of Bloodmoon. Agreed with all points made. Dragonborn is worthy of your money!

Also, nice job showing off all your daedric artifacts in the video >:D

Fappy:
Good work Nas, I guess I shouldn't be surprised you're a fellow Khajiit-player XD

It's interesting to see the perspective on this DLC from someone who hasn't played Morrowind, because it's pretty easy to fall into the trap of comparing this DLC to that of Bloodmoon. Agreed with all points made. Dragonborn is worthy of your money!

Also, nice job showing off all your daedric artifacts in the video >:D

I am an evil mage kitten, after all! Thanks for noticing, it's always great to be complimented for your loot ^_^

Hmm, maybe I should borrow it from a friend to play it then. I sold my copy as I didn't think I'd end up playing it again seeing I'd done everything else.

Great job on the review. I'm salivating at the thought of more DLC and more content for Skyrim, though I'll have to be patient since my copy is on the PC. I saw at the bottom of your review that you had said "end-game content". Does this mean that if I play through this DLC, that my game has a definitive end? I haven't seen and done everything I've wanted to yet, so...

Also, all hail the Khajiit! Sneaky sneaky, mrrrrr~ :3

I'm glad I waited for this review before purchase. I got burned with that stupid customisable home building in Hearthfire that just turned out to be a load of busy work to end up with identical houses with zero customisation. I had some fun with it but far less than I expected.

It's a real shame that Bethesda never quite deliver when they say they're going to do something. The ability to "ride a dragon" does give one the impression that there will be a certain amount of control to be had over the aforementioned mount. So instead we just get an alternative, albeit fancy, fast travel option. Pssh.

At least now my expectations will be suitably levelled out when I do take the plunge and purchase this DLC. So thanks, Nasrin.

LG Jargon:
Great job on the review. I'm salivating at the thought of more DLC and more content for Skyrim, though I'll have to be patient since my copy is on the PC. I saw at the bottom of your review that you had said "end-game content". Does this mean that if I play through this DLC, that my game has a definitive end? I haven't seen and done everything I've wanted to yet, so...

Also, all hail the Khajiit! Sneaky sneaky, mrrrrr~ :3

More like it continues issues and quest topics that were at the end of your vanilla Skyrim game :)

Here's to hoping they fix or find a workaround for the issues they had with the PS3 version since this DLC has me excited, more so then the Dawnguard DLC. Otherwise I'll hold off until I can afford a PC to play it on (which could be years away at this rate).

LG Jargon:
Great job on the review. I'm salivating at the thought of more DLC and more content for Skyrim, though I'll have to be patient since my copy is on the PC. I saw at the bottom of your review that you had said "end-game content". Does this mean that if I play through this DLC, that my game has a definitive end? I haven't seen and done everything I've wanted to yet, so...

Also, all hail the Khajiit! Sneaky sneaky, mrrrrr~ :3

Nah, the main quest of the DLC triggers once you are named Dragonborn by the Greybeards. You can play the content whenever you want after that point, but it is generally more challenging than most of the vanilla content so it'd be a good idea to go there no earlier than level 20 or so.

Dragon riding's considered the most tantalizing part? I thought the big sell was the return to Morrowind.

One good thing about being a PC player is that someone is going to come along and tweak Dragon riding.
Do they let you use spells from horseback now though? I hope they do.

"...the thing Elder Scrolls has always done best: the storytelling."
??

/nitpick =D

Proverbial Jon:
The ability to "ride a dragon" does give one the impression that there will be a certain amount of control to be had over the aforementioned mount.

When you ride on a plane do you control where it goes?
When you ride on a train are you setting the stations it stops at?
When you ride on a boat do you control it?
When you are ride in a car, are you driving it?

The answer to all of those questions is no, because riding is a passive action. Riding is something you do when you are in a mode of transportation, but you yourself are not actively controlling said means of transportation.

Now, had they said "control" a dragon, or "pilot" a dragon, or "steer" a dragon, or "drive" a dragon you would have a valid point, because those are all active actions.

SajuukKhar:

Proverbial Jon:
The ability to "ride a dragon" does give one the impression that there will be a certain amount of control to be had over the aforementioned mount.

When you ride on a plane do you control where it goes?
When you ride on a boat do you control it?
when you are ride in a car, are you driving it?
When you ride on a train are you setting the stations it stops as?

The answer to all of those questions is no, because riding is a passive action. Riding is something you do when you are in a mode of transportation, but you yourself are not actively controlling said means of transportation.

Now, had they said "control" a dragon, or "pilot" a dragon, or "steer" a dragon, you would have a valid point.

To counter your argument:

When you ride a horse do you control/steer it?

Why yes, yes you do. In fact I would say a horse is the better comparison in this case because it is a living, breathing creature. It has a mind of its own, its own impulses and reactions but they can be directed and channelled to do what you wish if you know what to do.

As far as the game lore goes I figured the Dragonborn would have this level of control over a dragon. As far as the game's limitations go... well, let's just say I should have known better.

Proverbial Jon:
To counter your argument:

When you ride a horse do you control/steer it?

Why yes, yes you do. In fact I would say a horse is the better comparison in this case because it is a living, breathing creature. It has a mind of its own, its own impulses and reactions but they can be directed and channelled to do what you wish if you know what to do.

As far as the game lore goes I figured the Dragonborn would have this level of control over a dragon. As far as the game's limitations go... well, let's just say I should have known better.

To counter your counter argument when you ride a bull do you control/steer it? no. And I would say that bulls are a more accurate representation of dragons then horses.

Also, controlling dragons in such a manner has nothing to do with game engine limitations, it can easily be done.

As for lore, Dragonborn have never exhibited that level of control over a dragon before, but then again, no other dragonborn has been alive when Dragons were numerous to try.

SajuukKhar:

Proverbial Jon:
The ability to "ride a dragon" does give one the impression that there will be a certain amount of control to be had over the aforementioned mount.

When you ride on a plane do you control where it goes?
When you ride on a train are you setting the stations it stops at?
When you ride on a boat do you control it?
when you are ride in a car, are you driving it?

The answer to all of those questions is no, because riding is a passive action. Riding is something you do when you are in a mode of transportation, but you yourself are not actively controlling said means of transportation.

Now, had they said "control" a dragon, or "pilot" a dragon, or "steer" a dragon, you would have a valid point.

To be fair, everyone says "ride" a horse. I don't think anyone would be saying "buy a horse so you can pilot it, drive it, or steer it". If vanilla Skyrim had you buy horses and you couldn't control them, people would say something about it. There's probably a reason Nasrin had to clarify that in the review, I'm sure it's not clear to everyone due to semantics.

DrunkOnEstus:
To be fair, everyone says "ride" a horse. I don't think anyone would be saying "buy a horse so you can pilot it, drive it, or steer it". If vanilla Skyrim had you buy horses and you couldn't control them, people would say something about it. There's probably a reason Nasrin had to clarify that in the review, I'm sure it's not clear to everyone due to semantics.

What most people fail to take into account is that horses people ride have been tamed, and programed through training to let you control them. Horses are controlled through years of programming from their training. Wild horses do not act in a similar way.

Riding a dragon is more like trying to ride a bull, they are wild animals, and I doubt they particularly care for you using a shout to warp their mind, and while you may be able to get a bull to turn its head in a direction to where its horn hurt your enemies, it still retains the majority over the control of where it goes.

SajuukKhar:

Proverbial Jon:
To counter your argument:

When you ride a horse do you control/steer it?

Why yes, yes you do. In fact I would say a horse is the better comparison in this case because it is a living, breathing creature. It has a mind of its own, its own impulses and reactions but they can be directed and channelled to do what you wish if you know what to do.

As far as the game lore goes I figured the Dragonborn would have this level of control over a dragon. As far as the game's limitations go... well, let's just say I should have known better.

To counter your counter argument when you ride a bull do you control/steer it? no. And I would say that bulls are a more accurate representation of dragons then horses.

Also, controlling dragons in such a manner has nothing to do with game engine limitations, it can easily be done.

As for lore, Dragonborn have never exhibited that level of control over a dragon before, but then again, no other dragonborn has been alive when Dragons were numerous to try.

Wow, you're just doing your best to discredit me now aren't you? ^_^

Fine, I shall concede. Clearly my over-active imagination and overall desire to ride/control a dragon got the better of me and generated a false expectation of this particular DLC.

Proverbial Jon:
Wow, you're just doing your best to discredit me now aren't you? ^_^

Fine, I shall concede. Clearly my over-active imagination and overall desire to ride/control a dragon got the better of me and generated a false expectation of this particular DLC.

well I do think Bethesda should have been..... far more clear..... about it.

It was pretty deceptive to anyone not taking a really serious look at what was said.

"If you were hoping for a spiffy new dragon mount to swap out for that horse of yours, you're going to be disappointed. Although you can bend them to your will and convince them to allow you to mount them, you can't actually direct the dragon's flight path except to fast travel from one location to another."

Good!
Dragon riding is a bloody gimmick, and I'm glad it stops there.

Hopefully, when this comes out for PC, the modding community will figure out how to make the dragon mounts better.

What I wouldn't give for a proper Dragonlance mod...

That thumbnail picture for the review reminds me of a certain Dark Elf Corsair captain...

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And it just so happens that we go back to the land of the Dunmer in this DLC! Well, ain't that peachy?

Huh. So, in a game known principally for it's multitude of playstyles and free roaming, they add a transportation mechanic that doesn't actually contribute much to the free roaming? I did not see that coming. But I do find it hilarious. I guess it's out so that you don't just breeze through the game, roasting everything in the province atop a dragon?

Tanis:
Hopefully, when this comes out for PC, the modding community will figure out how to make the dragon mounts better.

What I wouldn't give for a proper Dragonlance mod...

Give it a few months after the pc release and there's a good chance the workshop and/or nexus community will deliver.

Really good review, but try to speak a little bit slower next time. I could see some people having trouble hearing you when watching the video review.

Why aren't I surprised that you have a Khajiit as a character Nasrin?
Not that it's a bad thing- I play with a Khajiit paladin who's also great at necromancy. Yep.

OT: Great review, I am glad to see you were honest about the DLC and yet how it's still worth every penny that goes into it. I'm definitely saving up money to get this for Xbox 360 and thank the divines there's a perk where you have friendly fire on. I can't tell you how awful it is when I go for a charge melee attack, my ally steps in the way only for me to kill them. Have to reload every time..

Riding dragons is for losers. The only good dragon is a dead one.

SajuukKhar:
Riding a dragon is more like trying to ride a bull, they are wild animals, and I doubt they particularly care for you using a shout to warp their mind, and while you may be able to get a bull to turn its head in a direction to where its horn hurt your enemies, it still retains the majority over the control of where it goes.

Dragons are not wild animals, however. They are intelligent, sentient beings with whom you can clearly and directly communicate without any training or special language required. You might have to use a shout to get them on your side, it's not like you'd need to teach them how to respond to spurs; you should be able to say, "Make a left here," and the dragon would understand what you've said and respond appropriately. If you can direct them to attack specific targets, surely you could direct them to do a barrel roll just as easily.

Comparing dragons to inanimate objects or animals that don't comprehend human speech isn't really accurate.

That said, I could care less, I wouldn't want to ride a dragon anyway. I don't even like riding the horses in Skyrim. Better maneuverability just staying on your feet.

Interesting, have you ever reviewed a game previously because up to this point I have not heard your voice?

On topic I will hold off downloading this until someone gets around to making the dragons 100 percent controllable. They toted dragon taming in the trailers, not bartering with a bus driver. They will be duly punished by not having me throw my money at them just yet.

Li Mu:
Riding dragons is for losers. The only good dragon is a dead one.

You're never going to strike me down, puny human.

OT:

I was wondering how they were going to make dragon riding work because of Bethesda's horrible dance with texture pop-in. I guess they found a way.

Hopefully when it comes out on the PC a modder makes the dragons controllable.

This DLC didn't interest me with the dragon riding, though. What really interested me was returning to Morrowind (well, Solstheim, but you get the idea). Glad to hear the DLC is good, can't wait for it to come out on PC.

Bleh, from the first view of Dragonborn i was iffy about the whole dragon riding since i don't even own a horse in Skyrim... i don't even keep companions with me. The Dunmer are a solitary bunch >_>

Since i was never particularly interested in the mounts anyway it's good to hear that the new area is just as absorbing as Skyrim always was. I'm looking forward to experiencing some of that Morrowind atmosphere since i never actually played the genuine article.

Proverbial Jon:

SajuukKhar:

Proverbial Jon:
The ability to "ride a dragon" does give one the impression that there will be a certain amount of control to be had over the aforementioned mount.

When you ride on a plane do you control where it goes?
When you ride on a boat do you control it?
when you are ride in a car, are you driving it?
When you ride on a train are you setting the stations it stops as?

The answer to all of those questions is no, because riding is a passive action. Riding is something you do when you are in a mode of transportation, but you yourself are not actively controlling said means of transportation.

Now, had they said "control" a dragon, or "pilot" a dragon, or "steer" a dragon, you would have a valid point.

To counter your argument:

When you ride a horse do you control/steer it?

Why yes, yes you do. In fact I would say a horse is the better comparison in this case because it is a living, breathing creature. It has a mind of its own, its own impulses and reactions but they can be directed and channelled to do what you wish if you know what to do.

As far as the game lore goes I figured the Dragonborn would have this level of control over a dragon. As far as the game's limitations go... well, let's just say I should have known better.

Have you ever gotten on a horse? You don't so much control it as you do aim it and cross your fingers. (depending on the horse, of course)

Review seemed rather stilted, you can't just read what your text review said, anyone can do that. A vocal video review needs to add something; look at bob or yahtzee, their video pieces are often more expressive than their written articles. Apart from that I cant fault what is (from my POV) your first escapist piece.

OT: Haven't played it and tbh nothing in any of the skyrim DLCs has got me thinking "I have to play this", there's just not enough to make me think this is worth the extra money.

Only watched the video review and it was not well done. The whole first segment on dragon riding? Tiny part of the DLC that's not that interesting. She fails to mention that its not only Solstheim but the realm of Apocrypha as well. Also the huge number of easter eggs and throw backs to Bloodmoon and Morrowind were ignored as well.

Most people want this DLC for its nostalgia quality (it includes Morrowind's music), and a new Deadric realm is a big deal for a lot of Elder Scrolls players. You don't need to mention that the realm you go to is Apocrypha, but it should still be mentioned.

The reviewer didn't seem interested or even knowledgeable about the DLC. Werebears, Kaarstag, OP werewolf items if you find the pack, heaps of interesting side quests, this DLC has a lot to offer fans of Skyrim, but more so fans of the Elder Scrolls.

I did think the main quest was enjoyable but left something to be desired, wasn't as epic as I had hoped.

EDIT: I see that most of the comments are about dragon riding... Only a small, small part of the DLC people and the reviewer should not have intro'd with it or made such a big deal about it. Not to mention that fully controlled dragon riding would probably be pretty game breaking.

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