Critical Heights

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CleverCover:

Maze1125:

Yes, they are, but that's completely irrelevant.
An equivocation fallacy isn't a matter of mis-applying a definition, it's a matter of using one definition and then trying claim you've proven something about an entirely different definition of the word.

Yes, under the definition you've given, PCs, X-Boxes and phones are all consoles, but that doesn't change a thing, as no-one else in the thread, or the comic, was using that definition of the word "console" other than you.

The original argument was about Erin's wording of the award for the iOS FPS game. Her award was "The game we wish was on a console". Then someone said, "No, the game that should be on a PC :P". Then it started a huge PC vs Console war.

My post was referring to how "console" could cover both PC and everything else, so the exact wording of her award shouldn't matter.

Except that if you're willing to change the way the original person used a word you can assume anyone meant anything you want.
That not reasonable, the only reasonable thing to do is take a word in the way the person originally meant it, anything else is twisting their words to suit yourself.

Given that, do you honestly think the original comic was using a definition of "console" that generally applies to industrial equipment, rather than the definition that generally applies to gaming devices?

dystopiaINC:
you know i hate WASD when I'm playing anything on a PC. sorry yes a mouse is nice for aiming in an FPS but I always find the mouse is way too sensitive and I have to turn it to the minimum setting and running around with WASD feels terrible and I can't stand it. it feels unnatural and my fingers start to hurt in under 15 minutes, moving with a joystick is way better IMO. I'm so used to joysticks now that running around in any FPS on a console feels fluid and natural honesty I never got that when I tried the PC and PC is what i started out on before I got my first console.

This, in a sense. I'm glad I'm not the only one with this opinion. Yes, the framerate might be higher (currently, until the next console jump), and yes, you may be able to pull off snazzier graphics on a PC. But I will always argue that keyboard and mouse has its own faults in FPS control. I'll admit that a mouse allows for slightly higher precision without the need of aim assist - though a good number of PC shooters still use it. However I'm so used to an analog for aiming in games like Halo that I never feel I'm lacking in precise aim. I set the sensitivity pretty high now, so it isn't like the aim is more sluggish than a mouse. And at least I don't have to worry about my primary aiming tool slipping on the table during a frantic shootout and sending my sights reeling.

But more than that, I will never defend WASD for movement. I absolutely cannot stand that for most games, FPS included, your movement options generally boil down to "stopped" and "running full tilt." At best you have MORE buttons designated to movement just to allow you to walk, which on top of the ridiculous mapping involved in your superior control layout, leads to my hand cramping up. Constantly. I don't need early carpal tunnel this young. An analog stick is just more fluid for smooth, precise movement, and unless you fork out for a pressure sensitive gaming keyboard I don't see that changing in the slightest.

Yes, a control stick is indisputably better than a keyboard for FPS movement.

But, what's more important in an FPS, aim, or movement?

Well if you put two people up against each other, one that can move on any axis at any speed, and the other who can make a headshot in a fraction of a second regardless of where their opponent moves, I can tell you which one of those two is going to win the match.

Now, a game like Mirror's Edge on the other hand, I would never play with a keyboard and mouse, controller all the way there.

Really, what I want is a control system that puts a mouse in my right hand and reasonably sized control stick in my left.

Maze1125:

Except that if you're willing to change the way the original person used a word you can assume anyone meant anything you want.
That not reasonable, the only reasonable thing to do is take a word in the way the person originally meant it, anything else is twisting their words to suit yourself.

Given that, do you honestly think the original comic was using a definition of "console" that generally applies to industrial equipment, rather than the definition that generally applies to gaming devices?

Actually, yeah. I do, but I'm not Mr. Grey or Mr. Cory so I'm not in their heads. Are you?

If you choose to believe they meant everything non-PC, then ok. I went with the definition of console that I found and chose to believe that the award is covering all the bases.

I might be wrong and he put it there meaning only Xbox's and PS3s. You might be wrong and he meant everything. Unless he decided to answer, although I'm pretty sure he's just laughing at both of us right now, we will never truly know.

Maze1125:

Really, what I want is a control system that puts a mouse in my right hand and reasonably sized control stick in my left.

They exist!

A lot of them are multiformat, too. They usually work with both the PC and 360 and some of them support PS3, too.

Although far too few games really take advantage of an analogue stick =[ Most of them still only have two or three different movement speeds.

ScrabbitRabbit:

Maze1125:

Really, what I want is a control system that puts a mouse in my right hand and reasonably sized control stick in my left.

They exist!

A lot of them are multiformat, too. They usually work with both the PC and 360 and some of them support PS3, too.

Although far too few games really take advantage of an analogue stick =[ Most of them still only have two or three different movement speeds.

Cool, that's pretty much exactly what I was thinking of. Thanks for pointing them out. That's really great!

Bindal:
Honestly, if THAT is the "highest award possible", then I as developer would feel a bit insulted, actually. Because unless your name is "Halo" or "Metroid", a FPS belongs to PC and not on a console, god dangit!

I agree, but in the grand scheme of things I rather have a console version of a FPS than a iOS or Android version.
Other than Cut the rope, Angry Birds, Fruit Ninja and some Tower Defense games smart phones are shit for mobile gaming.

Owning a Samsung Galaxy SII, a Nintendo 3DS and a Sony PS Vita I can tell you now the phone has the least amount of actual play time. Over all Gaming on a mobile phone sucks, it is partially why the Nokia N-Gage failed in the market.

Maybe of I synch up a bluetooth controller like the iCade 8bitty or a Wii Remote to my phone but that go against having games on a mobile phone in the first place.

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I thought this was on purpose and it was trying to say proper marketing at first

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