The 50 Most Boring Opinions In Geek Culture - Part I

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True story, I didn't even notice the bat-nipples when I watched those movies.

I also want to thank Bob for his "context" to the Disney Princess stuff. Context really is important and it's really short-sighted to call old works of fiction evil or bad for not conforming to modern standards.

Furthermore, knowing the context actually does give the films their use. Cinderella makes for an excellent discussion on how times have changed, because at the time when Cinderella was being told as a folk-tale, that really was all women could do.

The society in the Starship Troopers Novel is unquestionably rather fascist (their ideology is centered around the State, and in order to wield the authority of the state, you must show your willingness to put your life on the line for it). It's still an interesting though experiment, though, which was something that Heinlein did in a number of his books. There's the Anarchism of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, and the weird incest family of To Sail Beyond The Sunset.

shintakie10:

I don't normally say this, but honestly I feel I've read enough opinions on the subject of the Starship Troopers book in order to make a valid opinion on the nature of the book.

I assume its roughly the same for 90% of the people who bitch about the nature of the Twilight books.

Yea, I skipped the Twilight books. Heard that they were metaphors for abstinence or something.

My first judgment on you is that military science fiction and political/social philosophy probably aren't really your main areas of interest (For me it's like peanut butter and chocolate, which go together quite well). So I wouldn't recommend Starship Troopers.

However, there's more to it, and Heinlein than what you've probably heard. The human society in the book is not fascist or war like. Even if it was, it's not like you're reading Mein Kampf and expected to buy in to everything. It's a work of fiction by a great author who has written about a number of perspectives.

For example, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is another of his books which is written from the point of view of a rugged individualist who leads a libertarian revolution on the moon against earth. He has another fantastic book written from the point of view of a southern evangelical preacher who falls in love with a pagan woman on a trip through multiple dimensions.

Now, I don't know whose ideology I personally dislike more, libertarians or evangelicals, but I liked both of those books.

shintakie10:
I don't normally say this, but honestly I feel I've read enough opinions on the subject of the Starship Troopers book in order to make a valid opinion on the nature of the book.

Too right.

I formed my equally valid opinion on the nature of Bronies in the exact same fashion.

MovieBob:
41. Cutscenes ruin videogames and are unnecessary.

No, bad cutscenes do that. Used properly, cutscenes can be a nice reward, a good way to expand a story or (at worst) a harmless auteur indulgence. It's been argued that cutscenes make games "impure" by injecting a passive art form (movies) into an interactive one. I wonder if people who think so also object to movies being made impure by the occasional inclusion of songs.

The problem is that most cutscenes in games ARE bad cutscenes. Another issue is that most game developers don't seem to realize that they can tell their story through the medium in which they work instead of resorting to cinematic interludes. The song argument holds no water because music does not interrupt a motion picture. Imagine if the most important scenes and plot developments of every film was a wall of text instead of filmed.

My tolerance for text scrolls in movies is the same as in cutscenes in games. They have their place in the prologue, epilogue and during important developments to explain things that can't be shown (Such as historical events that may unfold.) But notice how most historical movies work with the absence of all this and is able to trust that the viewer would understand.

Many Chinese movies fall into this trap. I don't mean that they would stop the action to impose text over the screen saying "After conquering Shanghai, the Japanese Imperial Army set its sights on the Chinese capital of Nanking" for historical facts surrounding a large abstract topic. Important events that revolve around its central characters are skipped and replaced with text scrolls.

Something like...

"Sergeant Lam's entire platoon was massacred. In order to escape the chaos he walked through enemy lines wearing an enemy uniform"

That's something I don't accept with film and the same can be said for video games.

I don't think that we should limit the amount of tools that developers can use or mandate how stories should be told. Just as I kick back and cheerfully enjoy the John Williams music and happily read the scrolling text at the start of every Star Wars movie, I enjoy the cinematics as rewards between missions in Blizzard games. But games that manage to present a rich narrative without resorting to interrupting cutscenes such as Half-Life, Portal, Bioshock, Dishonored, Amnesia: The Dark Descent, Fallout, Dead Space, and The Elder Scrolls are richer for this.

In literature and film class we are taught "Show don't tell"

In games it should be "Do don't show"

MovieBob:
40. Link/Mario/etc. should not speak full sentences (or at all).

I may or may not agree with this sentiment overall, but the reason it's boring is because it usually boils down to "Because they haven't before."

Tradition for the sake of tradition? Snooze.

The thing about long running silent protagonists is that fans are able to interpret and give the characters their own mental personality. When the tradition is broken, fans are usually dissapointed that the characterization doesn't match up or worse the character becomes bland and generic (Master Chief, Isaac Clarke) or even annoying (Samus, Link).

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Aiddon:

41. More like "Because JAPAN likes cutscenes they ruin games" Though no one has the balls to actually just ADMIT they're a bigot

I agree that Japanese developers (or at least the animators) seem to like cutscenes more, that's somewhat unfair. My biggest disappointment this year was Max Payne 3. The third installment of one of my favorite franchises that was always self-aware of how ludicrous its subject matter is and had minimal and skippable cutscenes. Max Payne 3 had long unskippable cutscenes every 200 feet that tried to be serious but fell flat and seemed to believe that by dropping F-bombs it made it more adult and deep.

MovieBob:
39. M. Night Shyamalan is an egomaniac who sabotages his own movies.

Yes, we know. Do we really need to rehash this every time the guy releases another terrible movie (apparently yes, because I already expect to end up doing it when After Earth comes out)?

The guy who defended the Last Airbender says this. But I feel you, I defended him up until that point.

What I'm getting from this is "if you don't like something, just shut up and let it be."

That's the kind of attitude that creates dystopian societies.

The right to be able to say when we don't like something is something we deserve. The right to complain en masse has served to create some great things, like the women's rights, civil rights, getting rid of child labor, taking lead out of children's toys, granting consumer rights...

Pretty much all progressive changes come from people just complaining. Sure this is just stuff in nerd culture (which may seem trivial) but "boring" as they may seem, maybe we should stop and consider they're boring because change is so slow that we have to KEEP making the complaints.

omegawyrm:
Three of the most boring opinions in my little corner of fandom are:

1. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a dumb show / Shinji Ikari is an annoying character

2. Visual novels are just weird, Japanese porn

3. The Warhammer 40k universe takes itself too seriously

1. Lies! NGE was the greatest work of big mecha anime satire ever created... it's just no one got the joke.

2. To be fair, some of those visual novels ARE just weird Japanese porn. But if we bring those up we'd have to also bring up Lady Chatterly's Lover, and more recently, 50 shades of Grey.

3. Well... it does. That's why it needs orks. But being fair again, it's mostly the novels that take it too seriously. The rule books and such always have the goofy short stories pointing out the relative insanity of the world. I miss the old orks though. They went out of their way to be silly. I remember the old Stormboys used to be young orks rebelling against their culture by ironing their uniforms and polishing boots. Oh, and the snotling canon, which ripped a hole in the warp to transport snotlings inside tanks.

Damn, I first read this as "in GREEK culture", and I was all intrigued.
Alas.

Ah, well. Teaches me for skimming.

I feel horrible for reading this. My day was actually made worse by knowing that Bob Chipman was paid for this garbage.

This article was nothing but sarcasm and wasted text, spraying opinions with little to no justification, and many reminders of mistakes he has made in the past. Played Mass Effect 3 yet? No? THEN DON'T PRETEND TO HAVE AN OPINION ON IT.

Every day I am reminded why Bob is my least favorite contributor to this site, and one of my least favorite people in general.

beniki:

omegawyrm:
Three of the most boring opinions in my little corner of fandom are:

1. Neon Genesis Evangelion is a dumb show / Shinji Ikari is an annoying character

2. Visual novels are just weird, Japanese porn

3. The Warhammer 40k universe takes itself too seriously

1. Lies! NGE was the greatest work of big mecha anime satire ever created... it's just no one got the joke.

2. To be fair, some of those visual novels ARE just weird Japanese porn. But if we bring those up we'd have to also bring up Lady Chatterly's Lover, and more recently, 50 shades of Grey.

3. Well... it does. That's why it needs orks. But being fair again, it's mostly the novels that take it too seriously. The rule books and such always have the goofy short stories pointing out the relative insanity of the world. I miss the old orks though. They went out of their way to be silly. I remember the old Stormboys used to be young orks rebelling against their culture by ironing their uniforms and polishing boots. Oh, and the snotling canon, which ripped a hole in the warp to transport snotlings inside tanks.

Ah, now I see the pattern in the 3 that immediately sprang to my mind. Each of those opinions are the ones most frequently used to shut down discussion about those topics, ignoring their subtleties and invalidating them outright. Actually a lot of the opinions Bob used were also in the form "____ should not be like ____" or "____ has no value". For me, personally, nothing bugs me more in the fandom communities than when people shut off avenues of thought or discussion without giving them proper consideration. FilmCritHulk once related a quote from Quentin Tarantino where he said "Never hate a movie, they have too much to teach you," which I've always found a much more fun and interesting way to engage with geek culture. That's really why I think Yahtzee is a mostly negative influence on the community, His opinions are so Influential and overwhelmingly negative that it shuts out almost all discussion, leaving only a fight between the defenders and the attackers to be had without subtlety or concession. And the most common complaints about the gaming community? Too polarized. Too negative. Too angry. Not that I'm laying all of that at any one person or group's feet, just using an example at hand.

Evangelion is an excellent example of why the "worthiness" conversation is, for lack of a better term, boring. But that exact train of thought shuts down so many potentially great discussions and turns them into battles and does so pretty frequently. Eva is a giant, crazy, clusterfuck of insanity that anime fandom still hasn't nailed down after 16 YEARS of discussion. Was it a parody? an homage? depraved rantings of a depressed man? did the plot actually make any sense? why are so many eastern fans attached to Rei and so many western fans atttached to Asuka? Does Shinji make different decisions in 26 and 26'? Was End of Evangelion really the director's "revenge"? Evangelion is pretty important to me and I've loved the experience of being a fan of it. I think it provides a great illustration of why the negative opinions are the boring ones. A positive opinion represents an idea that can be digested and learned from, while a negative one says "This idea is not worthwhile. Do not change yourself to accommodate it. Stay as you already were."

Oh yeah, back on 40k. The orks are hilarious. They're my go to example for why the universe is in on its own joke. And the Angry Marines are why the fans are in on it. Also, the Caiaphas Cain novels do a great job of showing the universe as being over-the-top hilarious in its cruelty and remind me a lot of the Hitchhiker's Guide in that way.

My top boring oppinions
1. Bring back Firefly
2. Firefly is overrated
3. They Will never bring back Firefly, so stop moaning about it

I'm personally a subscriber to both 1 and 3, and I get the people in camp 2, but seriously, shut up about it.
I love that show, and in my heart I still want it back, but the rabbid fanbase makes me feel sick sometimes. Likewise, the people who make it their mission in life to tell everyone that Joss Whedon is overrated is just as tiresome, and so are the people who can't see a Browncoat without feeling the need to tell them how foolish they are for wanting more of what they love.
Every side of this argument makes me tired, I just wanna watch the reruns and weep in peace.

Raiyan 1.0:
I'm guessing Bob still hasn't actually played ME3.

This list isn't really a "You're right" or "You're wrong"

It's a "Shut the fuck up about it already!" And in regards to Mass Effect 3, yeah people need to shut the fuck up about it already. The amount of bile toward it at this point, no game ending is that bad. It's a massive overreaction, as is common in geek culture.

Bhaalspawn:

Raiyan 1.0:
I'm guessing Bob still hasn't actually played ME3.

This list isn't really a "You're right" or "You're wrong"

It's a "Shut the fuck up about it already!" And in regards to Mass Effect 3, yeah people need to shut the fuck up about it already. The amount of bile toward it at this point, no game ending is that bad. It's a massive overreaction, as is common in geek culture.

My point still stands. He was being judgmental about a fanbase's reaction without consuming the product himself.

The "cutscene" issue depends on the game. Some games that I've played were extremely story-centered, to the point where the actual gameplay felt like an add-on. You could just as easily call them "interactive movies", but we don't have a category for that, so they get lumped into "video games".

Warhammer 40K doesn't take itself remotely seriously. The "grimdark" is so over-the-top awful that it's hilarious.

It's a massive overreaction, as is common in geek culture.

All too true. Geeks tend to bandwagon like crazy once something has become the dominant opinion, and you can see it with the Star Wars Prequels, among other things. At the time, people bitched a bit about Jar-Jar, but overall the movies were well-received. Then some fans who really hated kept on pushing on the issue, geek "mass opinion" started switching, and then suddenly everyone thinks its trash.

And we don't even have to get into all the issues with Meme-Tardism . . .

Raiyan 1.0:

Bhaalspawn:

Raiyan 1.0:
I'm guessing Bob still hasn't actually played ME3.

This list isn't really a "You're right" or "You're wrong"

It's a "Shut the fuck up about it already!" And in regards to Mass Effect 3, yeah people need to shut the fuck up about it already. The amount of bile toward it at this point, no game ending is that bad. It's a massive overreaction, as is common in geek culture.

My point still stands. He was being judgmental about a fanbase's reaction without consuming the product himself.

The point though is that he doesn't have to. That's just a pathetic attempt to smack down criticism. Nobody has to even bother playing Mass Effect to know that the screaming fits were completely unwarranted, and much of the Mass Effect fanbase needed to grow the hell up.

I think most fans of FF9 would agree 41 is some serious baloni.

Im also aware that (on this site especially) saying FF9 is the bestestest FF is kinda over done... even if its true.

I think the whole internet could stand to take a massive dose of #44

Azaraxzealot:
What I'm getting from this is "if you don't like something, just shut up and let it be."

That's the kind of attitude that creates dystopian societies.

The right to be able to say when we don't like something is something we deserve. The right to complain en masse has served to create some great things, like the women's rights, civil rights, getting rid of child labor, taking lead out of children's toys, granting consumer rights...

Pretty much all progressive changes come from people just complaining. Sure this is just stuff in nerd culture (which may seem trivial) but "boring" as they may seem, maybe we should stop and consider they're boring because change is so slow that we have to KEEP making the complaints.

This isn't telling people to stop complaining about working conditions after the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire, It's telling nerds to stop whining over the Mass Effect ending

corneth:
I think the whole internet could stand to take a massive dose of #44

Azaraxzealot:
What I'm getting from this is "if you don't like something, just shut up and let it be."

That's the kind of attitude that creates dystopian societies.

The right to be able to say when we don't like something is something we deserve. The right to complain en masse has served to create some great things, like the women's rights, civil rights, getting rid of child labor, taking lead out of children's toys, granting consumer rights...

Pretty much all progressive changes come from people just complaining. Sure this is just stuff in nerd culture (which may seem trivial) but "boring" as they may seem, maybe we should stop and consider they're boring because change is so slow that we have to KEEP making the complaints.

This isn't telling people to stop complaining about working conditions after the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire, It's telling nerds to stop whining over the Mass Effect ending

As opposed to people complaining about Dragon Age 2(Which also had a terrible leadup to the ending BTW), and Bioware actively working to fix the other chief complaint for DA3?

I'm sorry, but Heinlein's Starship Troopers is far superior then the Fascist tripe that Paul Verhoeven gave us back in '97. The novel is a classic. Despite the fact that it was written in 1959, the story hasn't gotten dated, its still relevant. Hell, the novel has been credited with the origin of the ideas of Powered Armor suits and the Screensaver!

Its not one of my top favorite Science Fiction novels, it ranks very high on that list.

To those who haven't read the book, I STRONGLY suggest you give it a try.

Bhaalspawn:

Raiyan 1.0:

Bhaalspawn:

This list isn't really a "You're right" or "You're wrong"

It's a "Shut the fuck up about it already!" And in regards to Mass Effect 3, yeah people need to shut the fuck up about it already. The amount of bile toward it at this point, no game ending is that bad. It's a massive overreaction, as is common in geek culture.

My point still stands. He was being judgmental about a fanbase's reaction without consuming the product himself.

The point though is that he doesn't have to. That's just a pathetic attempt to smack down criticism. Nobody has to even bother playing Mass Effect to know that the screaming fits were completely unwarranted, and much of the Mass Effect fanbase needed to grow the hell up.

Well, I would say smacking down the criticism of the people who actually played the game (as opposed to Bob) as being childish is pretty pathetic. :P

(I'm, BTW, referring more to Bob's original reaction to the ME3 ending.)

47. Putting nipples on the bat-suit ruined the Batman movies.

No they didn't.

46. Joel Schumacher ruined Batman.

No he didn't.

I don't get you, Movie Bob. I just do not get your insistent defense of Joel Schumacher. Somewhere between Batman Forever and Batman & Robin he forgot that he was taking back Batman for the kids and instead took it back for the gay Hollywood directors. To coin an analogy, it is as if the movie going public had followed the familiar jingle of an ice cream truck, but then found itself being served a suggestively shaped popsicle by a pair of Chippendales and a Hooters girl. In just under two hours the movie just pretty much annihilated the chances of significant amounts of parents ever letting the Batman franchise anywhere near their children ever again.

And that's why you will never get your version of Batman. Which is why I don't get why you spend so much of your time defending Schumacher from decades old attacks.

Perhaps Bob should have titled this list "Overused/Unoriginal Opinions In Geek Culture" cause otherwise it kind of sounds like Bob doesn't like people speaking their minds. My rule is as long as someone can explain the reasons behind their opinion then I'm opening to listening. Just parroting popular opinion from one side or another is very boring and annoying, which if that is what Bob is aiming at then I agree.

Theoretically, can't any argument still be interesting as long as the person making the argument is interesting?

Raiyan 1.0:
I'm guessing Bob still hasn't actually played ME3.

Of course he hasn't. As it's been very well documented in the past (he even said it himself) that he says things to get attention. He likes it when people pay attention to him even if he has to say something that annoys people due to his lack of research.

Honestly, the way I deal with the occasional incredibly ignorant things Bob can say, is I ignore him. Best thing to do really.

Bhaalspawn:
The point though is that he doesn't have to. That's just a pathetic attempt to smack down criticism. Nobody has to even bother playing Mass Effect to know that the screaming fits were completely unwarranted, and much of the Mass Effect fanbase needed to grow the hell up.

However it is one thing to smack down criticism after having taken time to learn about the grievances and the like. (See here on how to properly deal with these situations, and here how not to.)

Jim handled it with respect and objectivity. Bob however handled it childishly and used it as a grab for attention.

I think more the irritation with the addition of this grievance to this "Boring Opinons" is Bob dragging this worthless corpse out again without having given it a good, and intellectually honest look for himself just so he can have some more attention. As I stated above.
Best to just ignore it and move on.

(Yes I know I'm giving him attention by proxy since I'm leaving a comment, but I felt I needed to speak out.)

Quoth the bob:
"28. Fast zombies aren't "real" zombies.

I don't care for fast zombies, but the "real" ones people talk about usually means George Romero's zombies, which of course bear little to no resemblance to the actual cultural traditions from whence the term "zombie" originated.

I'd elaborate on that, but just pointing that out again has officially qualified me for this list."

my conclusion:
zombies are stupid fast or slow it's a classic example of applying logic where it does not belong
i worry about people that do that, it seems to demonstrate a lack of ability to recognize reality and fiction
and those people can become dangerous fanatics

Wait.. People don't like Adam West's Batman? Oh my God.. I never knew humans had such capacity for evil! How can you NOT love Adam West's Batman?!

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Yes, and we should stop having discussions about abortion, gun control, and the environment because we've already heard all the arguments for and against, right? Just because you lost interest doesn't mean that the topic isn't deserving of further consideration.

Just like no scientist gathers up all the information in their field and says "We've been doing this for a long while, we're through now", neither should anyone feel that they need to refrain from voicing legitimate grievances because you've become so lazy and inept you no longer feel like hearing them. You're a mad little despot of a hill made of beans, claiming to be Lord of all things fandom. I did not kneel at your inauguration and I do not heed your foolhardy proclamations now.

You, "Bob", are the disease in all geek culture. The one that rants and raves in a little tantrum of your own twisted whims, and when you are brought to task you sulk because the world does not see you in the prism you've grown in your mind's eye. You're a Batman villain, all frills and fancy words describing the truth of the world as you so clearly see it, all the while your true home is a padded room where they can try to cure you of your delirium.

As much as it hurts me to say it, you're the escapist's front line nerd. They need you in the trenches fighting the good fight, and not sitting on the sideline lamenting how fruitless the argument is. Get off your hill, close down Wikipedia, and get back into the fight. You can rest when the Escapist replaces you with someone competent.

PunkRex:
I think most fans of FF9 would agree 41 is some serious baloni.

Im also aware that (on this site especially) saying FF9 is the bestestest FF is kinda over done... even if its true.

Wow... having played FF VII, VIII, and IX I had forgotten how completely terrible segments of IX were. The Queen was a terrible pseudo-villain and I could never get over the fact that the main character had an annoying tail.

I'm sure VII doesn't hold up too well either to scrutiny, but the story elements put into play were amazing. I'm not sure if it's the first game that had you wield a main character as they go through a semi-psychotic episode / identity crisis, but I recall it being interesting and gratifying.

47. Putting nipples on the bat-suit ruined the Batman movies.

I've seriously never heard this one.

44. You only think [movie/show/game] is good because you saw it when you were a kid.

Annoys me because I seem to be the 1/10. Looking back at the shows I watched, most of them were crap. If I like something, it's probably stood the test of time.

41. Cutscenes ruin videogames and are unnecessary.

But...but...Immersion!

38. Hollywood has run out of original ideas.

The audience, meanwhile, has run out of original complaints.

Considering this same statement has been uttered since at least the 70s, yes.

27. The Transformers movies

Could have stopped there. Just about EVERYTHING about the Transformers movies has been done to death. I get it. they suck. People hate them. Michael Bay sucks. People hate him. Giant robot testicles. Yawn.

Also, speed ramping is a tool. It's just the new tool to be overused. I don't hate it. In fact, I think it can be pretty awesome.

Aiddon:
41. More like "Because JAPAN likes cutscenes they ruin games" Though no one has the balls to actually just ADMIT they're a bigot

Well, that was random.

Seagoon:
Wait.. People don't like Adam West's Batman? Oh my God.. I never knew humans had such capacity for evil! How can you NOT love Adam West's Batman?!

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For starters, I'm not human. PERISH, MEATBAGS!

...Errr, ignore that last statement. I am fond of you meatbags.

Rogue 09:
Yes, and we should stop having discussions about abortion, gun control, and the environment because we've already heard all the arguments for and against, right? Just because you lost interest doesn't mean that the topic isn't deserving of further consideration.

Wait, what? Did you just compare Bat-Nipples to abortion?

Just like no scientist gathers up all the information in their field and says "We've been doing this for a long while, we're through now"

In part because there's actually new data coming in on a fairly regular basis. If science had nothing left to explain or explore in a field, why would it continue? So let's go with your example. Can you think of the last time new insight was offered on the lack of Hollywood originality? Or Bat-Nipples? Or Transformers?

Rogue 09:
Yes, and we should stop having discussions about abortion, gun control, and the environment because we've already heard all the arguments for and against, right? Just because you lost interest doesn't mean that the topic isn't deserving of further consideration.

Just like no scientist gathers up all the information in their field and says "We've been doing this for a long while, we're through now", neither should anyone feel that they need to refrain from voicing legitimate grievances because you've become so lazy and inept you no longer feel like hearing them. You're a mad little despot of a hill made of beans, claiming to be Lord of all things fandom. I did not kneel at your inauguration and I do not heed your foolhardy proclamations now.

You, "Bob", are the disease in all geek culture. The one that rants and raves in a little tantrum of your own twisted whims, and when you are brought to task you sulk because the world does not see you in the prism you've grown in your mind's eye. You're a Batman villain, all frills and fancy words describing the truth of the world as you so clearly see it, all the while your true home is a padded room where they can try to cure you of your delirium.

As much as it hurts me to say it, you're the escapist's front line nerd. They need you in the trenches fighting the good fight, and not sitting on the sideline lamenting how fruitless the argument is. Get off your hill, close down Wikipedia, and get back into the fight. You can rest when the Escapist replaces you with someone competent.

Wow, that was one of the most hilariously over the top ragegasm freakouts I've ever seen.

I have no idea what Bob does different from every other commentator on the internet to attract these sorts of responses so regularly

Bob points out which arguments are boring and overdone. Thread descends into said arguments....

sigh

Frank_Sinatra_:

Bhaalspawn:
The point though is that he doesn't have to. That's just a pathetic attempt to smack down criticism. Nobody has to even bother playing Mass Effect to know that the screaming fits were completely unwarranted, and much of the Mass Effect fanbase needed to grow the hell up.

However it is one thing to smack down criticism after having taken time to learn about the grievances and the like. (See here on how to properly deal with these situations, and here how not to.)

Jim handled it with respect and objectivity. Bob however handled it childishly and used it as a grab for attention.

I think more the irritation with the addition of this grievance to this "Boring Opinons" is Bob dragging this worthless corpse out again without having given it a good, and intellectually honest look for himself just so he can have some more attention. As I stated above.
Best to just ignore it and move on.

(Yes I know I'm giving him attention by proxy since I'm leaving a comment, but I felt I needed to speak out.)

The thing is though, a fanbase does not get to set the terms for which another person calls them out. Bob was calling out a bunch self-entitled dipshits on their poor behavior. Of course he was childish about it, it was an entirely childish protest, and Bob is one of the few people aware that the problem with the games industry is not publishers or creative stagnation, it's the consumers.

NinjaDeathSlap:
This article deserves all the slow claps. My only question is what 25 arguments could you possibly have up your sleeve that are more tired and less interesting than the ones listed here. I suppose I could think of a handful... 'George Lucas needs to leave Star Wars alone'; and 'The plot of 2012 is bullshit', but beyond that I'm struggling.

I don't know if this'll count, but I'd like to see something about the 4th Indiana Jones film in there. Something like "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull didn't happen". It tires me the number I've read people referring to the "Indiana Jones trilogy" in some form because, see, they're being witty by not acknowledging the 4th film. Though that could probably be covered by this point:

44. You only think [movie/show/game] is good because you saw it when you were a kid.

Really, it's just because you watched those first 3 films when you were a kid, or a lot younger than you are now that they seem so much better.

Also: (apologies in advance)

43. Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

Seriously, folks, at some point we're going to have to accept that every possible variation on this point has been made. Many times. There's no meat left on the bones.

42. Mass Effect 3's ending was good.

See above.

True, but check the Mass Effect Facebook feed - that doesn't stop certain people trying to milk the subject for all it's worth every time a new announcement is made.

'About 20 or so arguments you've never heard anyone make before' would be a more appropriate title.

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