The Big Picture: Worst Movies of 2012

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What a (non)surprise, ASM is on this list. Show of hands, how many here expected Bob to throw it on here as yet another jab to this movie?

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MacNille:
Oh, who would have guess, That Spiderman would be on the list. It ain't like you have BITCH about it for a whole fucking year.

Exactly, it's like Bob can't mention superhero movies or bad movies in general without whining about ASM anymore, he complains about it every opportunity he can find when it's even slightly justifiable, far more than he has ever complained about FAR worse movies. It's almost like Bob knows ASM is good but he's in massive denial of that fact and is trying incredibly hard to convince everyone else and himself that's it's bad despite knowing full well it's not.

The worst part is how his criticisms of ASM are not just wrong in the opinionated sense, but factually as well. He complains about how far from the comics the movie, characters, plot, tone etc. are, when in fact the opposite is true, ASM is probably the movie closest to the comics (it's sort of a mix between Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man in terms of that) to be made yet. The characters act similar to their comics counterparts, the humor that Spidey is known for is pretty frequent, while that was almost nonexistant in the Raimi movies, the villain actually acts like the Lizard instead of being some guy who isn't even remotely like the comic version like the Raimi villains were, and the female lead actually DOES something instead of being whiny for no reason and just being there for the villain to kidnap like they usually are in Superhero movies. As for the cast, most all of them look and act like the characters they are playing effectively.

That, and not to mention that without ASM we wouldn't have gotten one of the best Spider-Man video games ever made, that alone justifies the movie's existance.

I didn't see any of these, but I saw a number of bad movies this year. I'd give my "worst movies of 2012" to Twilight: Breaking Dawn part 2, and Red Dawn.

Good lord, what a bunch of shit movies...

immortalfrieza:
What a (non)surprise, ASM is on this list. Show of hands, how many here expected Bob to throw it on here as yet another jab to this movie?

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MacNille:
Oh, who would have guess, That Spiderman would be on the list. It ain't like you have BITCH about it for a whole fucking year.

Exactly, it's like Bob can't mention superhero movies or bad movies in general without whining about ASM anymore, he complains about it every opportunity he can find when it's even slightly justifiable, far more than he has ever complained about FAR worse movies. It's almost like Bob knows ASM is good but he's in massive denial of that fact and is trying incredibly hard to convince everyone else and himself that's it's bad despite knowing full well it's not.

The worst part is how his criticisms of ASM are not just wrong in the opinionated sense, but factually as well. He complains about how far from the comics the movie, characters, plot, tone etc. are, when in fact the opposite is true, ASM is probably the movie closest to the comics (it's sort of a mix between Amazing Spider-Man and Ultimate Spider-Man in terms of that) to be made yet. The characters act similar to their comics counterparts, the humor that Spidey is known for is pretty frequent, while that was almost nonexistant in the Raimi movies, the villain actually acts like the Lizard instead of being some guy who isn't even remotely like the comic version like the Raimi villains were, and the female lead actually DOES something instead of being whiny for no reason and just being there for the villain to kidnap like they usually are in Superhero movies. As for the cast, most all of them look and act like the characters they are playing effectively.

That, and not to mention that without ASM we wouldn't have gotten one of the best Spider-Man video games ever made, that alone justifies the movie's existance.

If he really didn't like the movie, he's allowed to bitch about it as much as he wants. I really liked The Dark Knight Rises, and I was disappointed that he didn't like it, but I'm not going to get my tits in a twist because he's vocal about it.

Not to mention, all of the things you like about it are PURELY subjective. Don't tell me that the new Spiderman game is FACTUALLY good, when it's so not.

ZZoMBiE13:

Kumagawa Misogi:
Yawn, you don't like amazing spiderman Bob that's fine but stop acting like everyone in the geek press does as your a very, very lone voice in hating it (and no, pointing out that a pretentious douchebag WHO TYPES IN ALL CAPS doesn't like it either is not all geek press).

I don't wanna ruin your fun or anything, but this was HIS top 10 worst. He can put whatever he wants.

And for what it's worth, I think he's right. That movie was a mess and I felt like I was being assaulted with weaponized "stupid" as the film went on.

Damn stright. All in all, I'm a pretty positive person when it comes to movies, I tend to give them a bit more credit than most people in my demographic.

But FUCK did I enjoy hearing Bob pull that turd apart after I burned two hours of my life on it.

trty00:

Not to mention, all of the things you like about it are PURELY subjective. Don't tell me that the new Spiderman game is FACTUALLY good, when it's so not.

If you don't think the ASM game is good, you don't think so and that is your right, but people like you and Bob that can't see good right in front of them is the reason why entertainment media as a whole is so terrible.

About the movie, the reason why Bob's critique about it is so factually wrong is he's been saying that the way the characters act, their motivations, etc. are out of character, when as a matter of fact they aren't, they are VERY in character.

To Those who agree with Les Miserable being in 3rd place for being the worst movie this year:
Let me ask you a simple question: have you seen the stage version and then compare it to this version?
I have! Granted, What I have seen is both medias at both ends not failing to produce an adaption of the book. Now this does not mean, however, that there will be material that I will not like. Take for example how the cut 2/3 of the lyrics out of "Turning". I did not like that. Nor did I Like the removal of "Dogs eat Dogs". These cuts irked me. Nonetheless, there were plenty of good or great material to go around to take place of negative material. The musical score was well done, because the original composer and lyricist was part of the creative team for the film. I did not know who orchestrated the score for the movie version, but it was epic no doubt. Thus, here is what I am asking: know what you are taking about before you judge it. And, know who you are up against. :)

immortalfrieza:
About the movie, the reason why Bob's critique about it is so factually wrong is he's been saying that the way the characters act, their motivations, etc. are out of character, when as a matter of fact they aren't, they are VERY in character.

I have not seen the Amazing Spider-Man, and I don't intend to before it comes out on FX channel on a night when nothing else is on or something, because everything the trailers had to show me made me completely disinterested in it. I am, therefore, not talking about the quality of the movie itself, because I have no basis for doing so. I am only trying to make you, immortalfrieza, aware of how I, and I suspect a few other people, respond to a trend among public speakers:

The more times the word "fact" appears in a given sentence, the less I believe the content of that sentence, because it is almost always a tell that someone is trying to falsely give legitimacy to a subjective opinion or untrue assertion by claiming the full weight of empirical reality. If you are genuinely interested in proving that the things you say are facts, I recommend citing specific instances and examples as well as your reasoning for thinking them characteristic.

Kinda surprised Twilight didn't make it on there.

I have seen exactly 0 of the movies on this list, pretty much thanks to you Bob - thanks!

Come on guys, peeps going on at Bob for beating on Spiderman, its his opinion and even though he should aproach it professionally he's entitled to hate it more then you, blah blah blah you know what im on about. If they made a bland version of part of my childhood *cough*ClashoftheTitans*cough* id be pretty niffed, even if it is functional... even though its not, COMPLETE PIECE OF CRAP, I DON'T CARE IF LIAM NEESONS IN IT!!!

Abandon4093:

RTR:
I never sawz ASM because I believed how stupid it would be. This video more or less confirms my fears.

In all fairness you could do a review for any film like that and make it seem like the worst film to have ever been concieved.

It's actually not though. It's much better than any of the other Spiderman movies. (with the possible exception of the second one, if that's not just my nostalgia goggles acting up.)

I actually found that video to be pretty dead on. The movie isn't nearly as terrible as Bob makes out, it's entertaining at least, but the story/script is just atrocious.

Figured he'd rage on Spider-Man again. As I said in another thread, it's the most divisive movie of 2012. Been a fan of Spider-Man since childhood and I loved it. I second everything immortalfrieza has said.

Tumedus:

I actually found that video to be pretty dead on. The movie isn't nearly as terrible as Bob makes out, it's entertaining at least, but the story/script is just atrocious.

Now, not to get into fallacies here, but as a legitimate question what do you consider a good superhero movie script? Because to me, they are almost all equally terrible yet enjoyable (unless you get really bad stuff like the Fantastic Four, X-Men 3, and Wolverine)

bigfatcarp93:

ZZoMBiE13:

Kumagawa Misogi:
Yawn, you don't like amazing spiderman Bob that's fine but stop acting like everyone in the geek press does as your a very, very lone voice in hating it (and no, pointing out that a pretentious douchebag WHO TYPES IN ALL CAPS doesn't like it either is not all geek press).

I don't wanna ruin your fun or anything, but this was HIS top 10 worst. He can put whatever he wants.

And for what it's worth, I think he's right. That movie was a mess and I felt like I was being assaulted with weaponized "stupid" as the film went on.

Damn stright. All in all, I'm a pretty positive person when it comes to movies, I tend to give them a bit more credit than most people in my demographic.

But FUCK did I enjoy hearing Bob pull that turd apart after I burned two hours of my life on it.

If you were in the room with me, I'd give you a hi-five. Or some other conventional approval gesture.

Jinjer:
Kinda surprised Twilight didn't make it on there.

I have seen exactly 0 of the movies on this list, pretty much thanks to you Bob - thanks!

Bob liked the last Twilight movie.

Tumedus:

Abandon4093:

RTR:
I never sawz ASM because I believed how stupid it would be. This video more or less confirms my fears.

In all fairness you could do a review for any film like that and make it seem like the worst film to have ever been concieved.

It's actually not though. It's much better than any of the other Spiderman movies. (with the possible exception of the second one, if that's not just my nostalgia goggles acting up.)

I actually found that video to be pretty dead on. The movie isn't nearly as terrible as Bob makes out, it's entertaining at least, but the story/script is just atrocious.

It's no Watchmen, that's for sure. But it's story actually makes sense, in a comic book type way. It's not nearly as phrenetic and directionless as that video makes it out to be.

For instace, he dispursed the cure because Connors had infected half of downtown with his mutagen. Not to mention it was the easiest way of curing connors himself. Not just because "the gay flu" or whatever they said.

Bottom line, the fight scenes were fun. The characters were mostly likeable. They did a fairly accurate rendition of 'The Ultimate' Spidermans character (And all the films seem to be based in the ultimate verse). And no painful Peter Parker dancing.

That was a win as far as I'm concerned.

Now if only they'd not made the lizard look retarded in the face.

I'm so glad you brought up After Earth. I don't think any movie trailer has pissed me off due to how bad it is than this one.

wow this is the first time I've really disagreed with moviebob. I thought the Lorax was pretty good for what it was supposed to be. I heard alot of people saying the watch was really funny, and how could any really be surprised at what the expendables 2 did? It was a giant dumb action movie, people like those what's the problem with that lol?

immortalfrieza:

trty00:

Not to mention, all of the things you like about it are PURELY subjective. Don't tell me that the new Spiderman game is FACTUALLY good, when it's so not.

If you don't think the ASM game is good, you don't think so and that is your right, but people like you and Bob that can't see good right in front of them is the reason why entertainment media as a whole is so terrible.

About the movie, the reason why Bob's critique about it is so factually wrong is he's been saying that the way the characters act, their motivations, etc. are out of character, when as a matter of fact they aren't, they are VERY in character.

Wow... I have NEVER had such an obnoxious comment directed at me, like... ever. That was like a punch to the gut and I'm not sure if I should be more offended or impressed.

Littaly:
Les Miserables at third place feels a little like "Hey! Look at my loud and controversial opinion!". I haven't seen it, and I don't think I'm going to since it doesn't look like my kind of movie, but I have a hard time imagining one of the top Best Picture contenders really being an overall worse movie than the latest American Pie, regardless of how much you think people are over hyping it.

I feel that's a problem I have with criticism on the Internet in general. Too many times I get the feeling critics exaggerate how bad something is simply because it either gives them more attention or makes for a much more interesting review. Using hyperbole gets the point across and I'm not gonna lie, there is more entertainment value in seeing something being ripped to shreds rather than receiving a simple "not all that great", but I think it damages the credibility of the critic in the long run.

I'm not gonna tell anyone what to think, and if you really found Les Miserables worse than both The Expendables 2 and Alex Cross, then it would be wrong to conform to what other people think. Just don't be careless with how you hand out ratings as harsh as "third worst movie of the year".

I am not sure where you live or how often you go to the movies, but let me tell you a little anecdotal story.

I go to the movies a great deal, at least once a week. Bob, he goes to the movies much more. Now, for the last 6 to 8 months EVERY film I have gone to, has had a 10 minute "making of" trailer of Les Mis before it. If I went to see it I would already be well and truly jaded by watching FOUR HOURS (4 movies a month for 6 months, 10 minutes each 240 minutes total of TRAILER) of the same...fucking...trailer already. ~.~

I havent even seen the movie yet and its already well up there on my "fuck that movie" list near King Kong (the remake)

.....who keeps giving M. Night Shabamalamadouchebag access to movie studios and film crews?

The good news is that more than half of the movies listed were ones I had never even heard of, so evidently I save myself a lot of grief this year. :3

Kind of surprised that Bob could narrow it down to just 10 bad films. Seems like there was a flood of bad films this year. Too many times that movies came out in 2012 that didn't even seem worth a Netflix rental.

I'd like to say that 2013 will be better, but when studios can make up for the US box office with the box office from other nations there just doesn't seem to be any incentive to make better movies.

As much as a worst of list is just an opinion. In this case it's an opinion that is untrustworthy.

Amazing Spider-man - Ok, I can see why it was on the list. Maybe not so High but sure on the list since you clearly didn't like it.

Lorax - A child's movie? Really? You're going to even bother with a child's movie? It doesn't deserve to be on any list unless it's a best of or worst of children's movies.

Les Mis - It's a movie based on a musical which is about a very long book about the social political structure of France post Revolution? If you're not into musicals you're going to hate it. If you're not into the book you're going to hate it. It has faults but even with those problems why put it so high up? Unless your just grasping for controversy.

I can give a pass for all three of those movies being on the list. However, to imply that Twilight was "Better" than all of those movies, by not being on the list at all, is offensive, and shows that the list isn't even a list of your own opinion of what's good or bad this year. Twilight's only redeeming quality was a "what if" action scene, and that really doesn't make it better than Les Mis or ASM. It's rather a list of things you have a personal grudge against, and "best" or "worst" isn't even given as consideration. Only that you have a personal grudge, or want to make some "statement".

Aiddon:
10. Ugh, WHY do people ask for films from that era? Action movies only got BETTER when we got back to using good actors in action movies instead of lunkheads
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...You have no damn clue just how wrong you are do you. Action movies are great when they're JUST action, as in loose story with a lot of awesome stuff going on. While films like Terminator, Rocky and Rambo may have been more in depth, films like Universal Soldier, Kick Boxer, The Punisher (Dolph's) etc are just as good with very basic stories and LOTS of action. The Expendables 1 and 2 were all suppose to be like an all out no bars held action roller coaster, and they were awesome because of that. Now, too many action films are becoming Dram/Action, where in which the character has to have all these problems and a complex life and such. They take the action out of the action, and it's so annoying. We need more films like The Expendables 2 because it's a fun movie, you can sit down, relax and enjoy some nice visual media without having to follow a complex plot.

Movie Bob's top 10 was extremely interesting because there were 5 films I saw him put up that were actually not that bad, just average decent flicks. And then when he talked about American Reunion (That was a terrible film) and was all like, "You guys just tricked yourselves into liking the previous films" I felt like he was just pissed off at the depiction of high school students in the previous films because he was never like that. Seriously Bob, American Pie was a decent film series until after The Wedding, not a great comedy series, but a decent comedy you can watch on the weekend. The Lorax being on the list seemed uncalled for because it is after all a kids movie, and 30+ year old men are not expected to like a kids movie, I understand his listed reasons, but the film wasn't trying to target adult film critics.

I don't know what his deal was with the Amazing Spider-Man film, most people seem to find the character quite faithfull towards his comic book counter-part. I also don't get his beef with the "peter's parents" side plot, it's clear that the film is using it to give Peter a reason to go and look for Dr Connor, and it's even possible that Sony will use the plot more in the next movie as the ending of the film somewhat suggested so.

I dunno whats happened to MB to make him become really anal about films, but I'm really not finding what he's saying about most films to be entirely correct. Oh well, guess in the end it really is just matter of opinion.

I personally liked Les Miserable, but the key word is 'liked' and I will say I was squirming in my seat from the length of it, which isn't because I can't sit for 3 hours, it just didn't keep my attention as well as it could've... to be fair the theater had horrible seats.

That being said, I had a good friend of mine who graduated from a music collage there with me, and he had problems with the singers who where acting more than singing, which wouldn't bother me so that got a free pass... though Crow sing-talking was annoying at times, I still didn't mind him as much as I should have because I liked the character.

But the one thing that really got to me was the HUGE leaps of time in the story. We just met the little girl, Cosette, long enough to get a feel for her, then suddenly, BOOM she's 16... well now she's a whole other person! I no longer have any connection to her.

That and Jean Valjean suddenly being the mayor out of nowhere, that just struck me as odd in retrospect, didn't bug me at the time but after a day of thinking about the movie, I realized how odd that was. Also, NO explaining of the revolution, and some parts just lost me as to why people where being treated poorly or favored, or why people where angry. Granted, that just makes me ignorant and uneducated, but still, just a little information would've been nice.

The music is what made me stick around for the whole movie, and the visuals where impressive at times, but also some confusing editing at other times, like "Master of the house" was fantastic, but it had so much stuff going on and no chance to appreciate it, I was pretty confused at times as to what was happening.

...I swear I still like this movie, but my point is, this stuff gets a free pass with the mainstream audience, like me, because we don't really know better and this only all sank in after I had a day to really take in the movie, I'd never be able to critically look at a movie and write a review for it in under 3 hours.

That's why you're in the big boy chair and we just get to soak you in, Movie Bob. So yeah, dissapointed it's on the list, but I can understand why.

Shit, why is everyone so upset about "After Earth?" I like Will Smith; in fact, who doesn't? And the trailer looked interesting to me, with a possibly cool concept if it's done thoughtfully. Where is the hatred coming from? Just because M. Night is making it? Remember, folks, that once upon a time he knew how to make a good movie. I'm just confused about the negativity here.

I liked how horrible spiderman was. COuld have been better.

Im actually looking forward to after earth, it could be cool and redemeeing.

Lovely Mixture:
Now, not to get into fallacies here, but as a legitimate question what do you consider a good superhero movie script? Because to me, they are almost all equally terrible yet enjoyable (unless you get really bad stuff like the Fantastic Four, X-Men 3, and Wolverine)

Truly "good" superhero scripts are actually quite rare, as you suggest. The best ones are usually the ones that try and keep it pretty simple (e.g. Superman II, Avengers, Blade, etc.) and is part of why I think they keep going back to origin stories . The problem here is that, to me, ASM's script is every bit as bad as those others you listed. In terms of script alone, I actually wouldn't put FF on that list, as that movie's problems stemmed from a lot of other sources, but ASM shares the same horrible characterization and poor internal logic as those other two.

I mean this is the first Spider-Man I have ever seen where I actively disliked the character. And the end scene, with the "Those are the best kind" (promises you can't keep) just made him come across as the biggest fucking douche to have ever existed. On top of that, most of the scenarios presented in the film were so amazingly contrived if not purely ridiculous (e.g. what was the web in the sewer really supposed to accomplish? The writers couldn't even figure it out apparently because they had to use another device, the legion of geckos, to move the scene along).

As for what I need out of my superhero movie script, I actually don't ask for all that much. I want it to justice to the character(s) and the feel. Then just maintain some internal logic and make the characters respond to situations like a plausible human that had 2 brain cells firing at the same time might. Finally keep the pacing reasonable (this is one category where ASM actually worked).

Again,I didn't think the movie was horrible. It was an easy film to turn your brain off and watch the pretty special effects and Emma Stones (better as a redhead, though) and just let it go. But in terms of story and dialog, it was really bad.

And seriously, what was up with the fish? They spent like 15 minutes setting up some sort of inside joke that seemingly went nowhere. But thankfully all the characters got so say "Branzino" a few times.

Baldr:

Jinjer:
Kinda surprised Twilight didn't make it on there.

I have seen exactly 0 of the movies on this list, pretty much thanks to you Bob - thanks!

Bob liked the last Twilight movie.

I'm actually pretty sure he said he liked it on a So Bad It's Good level, up until the cop-out ending which rendered the third act moot.

ZZoMBiE13:
If I were making this list, Dark Knight Rises would have landed in the top 3 somewhere. I haven't seen the new Les Mis though, so I'll take your word for it Bob.

No, don't take his word for it.

See, this is actually a really handy list for judging how a given critic's personal tastes stack up against your own. You thought that DKR was terrible, Bob loved it enough to put it in his top 10 best films. Now Bob says he hates Les Mis, and you're going to take his opinion as a recommendation for what you will enjoy? Just take it as a comment from one other person.

I personally loved Les Mis, and think that anyone who is not moved by the film has no soul. But that's just my perspective.

saintdane05:
About Jarvet: Symbolism. Jarvert is supposed to represent Val Jean's past, something inescapable and unforgettable.

Yeah, there are things about the movie itself that are problematic for me, and I'm not surprised by Bob wanting to pick up on that: but he finds fault with the story itself! A new low for Bob in my opinion.

For what it's worth, my wife sobbed throughout. She wasn't a fan of the material, but now, literally cannot talk about it as she gets vaklempt.

My quibbles: yes, too many close ups. I can deal with that better than the choice to have the actors emote their songs rather than belt them out stage style. I can understand why. One can view the broadway style on youtube. For instance,

so, this had to be different.

But this was an unusual, powerful experience. Russel Crowe surprised me. I thought, all things given, he was very good. The visuals, when they weren't just close ups, were stunning.

I think this is the kind of movie that should be supported and that everyone should go just to experience this very powerful movie, and tell the biz, through ticket sales, that we want more like this. (The awesome but ludicrous Miss Saigon next?)

Littaly:
Les Miserables at third place feels a little like "Hey! Look at my loud and controversial opinion!". I haven't seen it, and I don't think I'm going to since it doesn't look like my kind of movie, but I have a hard time imagining one of the top Best Picture contenders really being an overall worse movie than the latest American Pie, regardless of how much you think people are over hyping it.

I feel that's a problem I have with criticism on the Internet in general. Too many times I get the feeling critics exaggerate how bad something is simply because it either gives them more attention or makes for a much more interesting review. Using hyperbole gets the point across and I'm not gonna lie, there is more entertainment value in seeing something being ripped to shreds rather than receiving a simple "not all that great", but I think it damages the credibility of the critic in the long run.

I'm not gonna tell anyone what to think, and if you really found Les Miserables worse than both The Expendables 2 and Alex Cross, then it would be wrong to conform to what other people think. Just don't be careless with how you hand out ratings as harsh as "third worst movie of the year".

A thousand times this. It's Bob's list, but I think he threw it on there more for shock value than anything else. He called it worse than Battleship for fuck's sake. I'd be interested in a longer hand opinion that involved something other than "Russel Crowe's singing sucks" to show me why it needs to be number 3. So does his acting but that didn't make the movie worse than a lot of the sludge that came out last year, including a completely unneeded waste of celluloid piece like the American Pie sequel.

For the record I did see it. It wasn't perfect but it was a damn fine combination of acting and performance. Russel Crowe was the worst of it. it ran a little long but the book was a freaking door stopper so that's OK.

Oh, hi all, I didn't see you there.

I was just here, adding to the chorus reminding Bob that Amazing Spider-Man is actually pretty good and that he unapologetically praised trailers of the upcoming Superman reboot for the same reasons he panned ASM both before and after it released (namely making a reboot of a 5 year old franchise turning a bright, colourful superhero into a derivative, Batman Begins-infused "gritty" movie), despite ASM being strongly adapted from Ultimate Spider-Man books that predate Batman Begins by half a decade.

Have a nice year, everyone.

You know, I don't much care that Bob disliked the film, I disagree with him on many other counts, too. I mostly dislike that he doesn't seem to acknowledge how much he is in the minority there or how many of us quietly and respectfully have been disagreeing with him. I mean, hearing him you'd think ASM was universally panned in the way Battleship was, which it wasn't, or that the viewers and critics that liked it are lowest-common-denominator idiots that can't articulate why they liked it, which we aren't.

I happen to think ASM is well acted, that Garfield works really well as an updated Peter without harming Maguire's portrayal of the Silver Age-like version. I also felt that framing his angst as less the result of bullying and more of a missing father figure thing is a closer match for the character's core themes that also helps avoid the jarring disconnect of the Spidey and Peter storylines in all of the Raimi movies. And man, Emma Stone's Gwen is such a great character for a superhero movie, never descending into being the damsel in distress (she actually saves *herself* and a bunch of other people the one time she's in danger) and remaining clever and resourceful without having to be depicted as a tough gal action hero.

On the other hand, the only defence of The Expendables 2 I've heard from anybody has been "it's all the cool action heroes together, what's not to like?", so... maybe I haven't been listening hard enough?

I have avoided all these movies gracefully through this year. Sadly I also avoided a fair bunch of the good ones. Whoops...

About Les Miserable: ""Is Javert the only police officer in Paris?". HA! That's what I'm thinking every time I hear it. And Cosette and Marius is horrible characters indeed.
I haven't seen it because it won't shown here (in Denmark) until March, but I'm still hyped for it. A lot of my (luckier, foreign) friends have praised it so I'm optimistic.
But I do dread how they decided to balance the acting/singing. Musicals shouldn't be pitch perfect if the characters have personalities, and (not all, but some of) this musical's characters are really good.

Guffe:
I actually think SpiderMan was pretty good.
The only thing I really hated in it was how they made Lizard.
Electro is a really unkown villain for me thou...

I entierly agree. It wasn't fantastic, and it did lack some of the emotional appeal of the first movie franchise (well, the first 2) but it was one of the only movies I enjoyed of 2012. You know Bob HATED this movie before he even saw it, so I am not surprised it ended up here. XD Surprise, surprise the movie he liked the most before he saw it also made it to #1 on his list of best movies.

Boo on hating Les Miserables.

Ignoring Russell Crowe, it was pretty great. Even Amanda Seigfried (who's name I cannot spell -_-) who wasn't good, wasn't really bad and at least Cossette isn't that interesting so she really didn't bring it down. I didn't even mind that High Jackman couldn't really hit all the notes in Bring Him Home (since most guys can't), he was still pretty amazing. Ignoring those two, everyone else delivered pretty amazing performances and it's really hard to hear your criticisms on the show after it's been a broadway classic for how long?

I will say though, I want to hurt that person, that executive that things they need some male lead who has no reason being in a musical in every broadway musical turned to movie. Gerard Butler, Pierce Brosnan, Richard Gere, and now Russell Crowe. This would have been a near-perfect movie if it hadn't been for Russell Crowe's terrible performance. Even ignoring the fact he can't sing he still did an all-around bad job.

Just feels like one of those hey let's rile people up! picks. I guess it worked?

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And I knew you were going to put this movie on this list because of your too damn long comment earlier this month. :-)

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Also doesn't Bob generally not like musicals anyways?

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