Most Boring Opinions in Geek Culture - Part II

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I wholly and completely agree with number 1. You only get that complaint from people who barely read comics though, which is also partially true with comments about the 90s grimdark stuff. Some of the greatest series were published then. See Hitman, The Invisibles, Starman and Animal Man.

And I have to admit to never having heard the ocmment about Roger Moore being a bad James Bond.

I'm willing to put up with a lot of stuff on that list, but #3 is so wrong it literally makes no sense.

And because I just know you had this in mind even though the list dodges the issue: for the last time, easy mode is fine, but if you add it to a game where the core experience is the challenge from the high difficulty, you are actively killing the game, this is objective game-design theory, we've been over this already, let's discuss it no more.

"Roger Moore was the worst James Bond." Really? not Timothy Dalton... pretty sure the worst was Timothy Dalton

"X people destroyed games."

Lets put it this way, if enough people who watched movies ONLY watched bro movies or summer blockbusters, wouldn't people who are really into movies get annoyed at the fact that because that's where the money is, more and more of what those people like is made and less and less of what you like is made?

Yes, of course that happens, and the way better movies are made much of hte time is by alternative/smaller places. Until relatively recently, there wasn't enough of an indy scene for more interesting/innovative games to come out of.

I can't say for sure, but I feel like I've heard less and less of that argument in the past couple of years since we've had SUCH an influx of indy games to help drive the market in interesting ways.

So, hopefully those arguments will leave the list soon enough.

22. CGI has ruined the movies.

Protip: If you're talking about something having "ruined the movies" and your answer isn't "that a**hole in front of me using his iPad in the theater," it probably didn't actually ruin the movies.

Dear God, thank you. There's been an epidemic lately of people deploring all CG as inherently bad or some sort of necessary evil that should only ever be used as a last resort and I'm getting pretty sick of it. Transformers is not bad because it's loaded with CG robots, it's bad because it's a soulless cash grab created by hacks who were only in it for the paycheck (this describes most bad movies Hollywood has put out in the last ten years or so).

21. The 1990s "Dark Age" of comics was totally negative.

It was pretty bad for superhero comics, because superhero comics are inherently silly as a result of their premise. I mostly read DC Vertigo titles in the 90s, which could get pretty grim, but maybe because they were written by a bunch of young anti-establishment Brits, they were also fuckin' hilarious and had a fun, punk-rock vibe. But even the grim-&-gritty superhero comics still launched the fandom of a lot of comic readers. Most of us liked a lot of crap when we were younger.

22. CGI has ruined the movies.
17. Blue and orange color-grading has ruined movies.

These are just new tools for the filmmaker's toolbox. The problem isn't that they exist, but that too many "me-too!" bandwagon jumpers abuse the crap out of them without any thought about artistic intent or appropriateness. I.e., an electric screwdriver is a handy thing to have, but sometimes you need an adjustable wrench.

15. "That comic/game/fantasy art heroine's pose/proportions are impossible!"

It is possible to have sexy characters without consistently posing and dressing them like a blowup doll. If a character is some kind of combatant or researcher or scout and currently engaged in that activity, shouldn't the art emphasize their competence and ability first and their sexuality second or third?

10. Roger Moore was the worst James Bond.

I agree with your reasons (although interestingly, Moore was Ian Fleming's first choice). Moore is the Bond of my youth--Octopussy was the first Bond film I ever saw in theatres, and Duran Duran's "A View to a Kill" is the first memorable theme song for me. So I can't outright hate the guy. The franchise's writing as a whole was so bad at that point, they managed to make Christopher Lee one of the worst villains of the series!

8. Only the even-numbered Star Trek movies are good.

Right on about Search for Spock. Plus, in retrospect, all the Next Generation films are pretty bad. First Contact is the most fun and watchable of those, but I'm no longer sure the havoc it wreaked on continuity was worth it.

1. Superman is too powerful to be an interesting character.

I know we're in this period where every hero has to be brooding and flawed and have deeply personal reasons for doing what they do. But can we keep one guy around who tries to do the right thing just because it's the right thing?

1. Superman is too powerful to be an interesting character.

This one is kind of odd for me. I do think Superman isn't an interesting character, but it's never been because he's too powerful, or because he's "too good" or whatever. I think it's just because he was the original superhero template, and the first attempt at anything is never going to age well. Decades of refining and new ideas have created characters with more interesting powers, back-stories and personalities that Superman just can't compete with. Even worse, because he was one of the originals and is still alive and kicking today the lack of those things is now what sets him apart from other characters, such that he can't become significantly more complex without deviating from what people consider the essence of the character.

Personally if I was DC I'd just scrap the character completely or kick him up to a more distant leader role where he'd offer advice and guidance to other characters rather than be the focus of stories himself- sort of like the role Nick Fury played in the Avengers movie.

Devin Barker:
"Roger Moore was the worst James Bond." Really? not Timothy Dalton... pretty sure the worst was Timothy Dalton

If we're talking about 'Who was in the worst Bond movies', which a lot of people find difficult to distinguish from 'Who was the worst James Bond' then... I don't know. Neither had movies as good as Connery or Craig. Dalton's movies were forgettable, whilst Moore's were silly. I'd be inclined to say that Brosnan had the worst movies (with the exception of Goldeneye), as they were just as silly as Moore's without the charm of also being old fashioned.

In terms of which of the two of them was actually better as James Bond though, I'm sorry, but Dalton absolutely destroys Moore.

interesting list
i would like to add sa1 and 2 sonic has more fans than he had ever before
shadow the hedgehog being a popular character

i suggest bob just move on, he starting to sound like those fellows who talk about how gen1 pokemon was the best
no one cares bob

but to the superman point

yes and no, though there are plenty of other heroes from marvel and dc who do good for goodness sake and have less powers and are more relatable.

so in a sense point invalidated

spider-man for example
as much slack as i give pete for being boring dude has always been generally a good person,

or captain america
bam. justice truth american way, same biz

Moore was great because he didn't pretend James Bond was a spy movie.

"Escapist Team! We need a neat little exciting series!"

"How about we write about stuff we find boring."

"Excellent!"

NinjaDeathSlap:

Devin Barker:
"Roger Moore was the worst James Bond." Really? not Timothy Dalton... pretty sure the worst was Timothy Dalton

If we're talking about 'Who was in the worst Bond movies', which a lot of people find difficult to distinguish from 'Who was the worst James Bond' then... I don't know. Neither had movies as good as Connery or Craig. Dalton's movies were forgettable, whilst Moore's were silly. I'd be inclined to say that Brosnan had the worst movies (with the exception of Goldeneye), as they were just as silly as Moore's without the charm of also being old fashioned.

In terms of which of the two of them was actually better as James Bond though, I'm sorry, but Dalton absolutely destroys Moore.

Maybe this is a generational thing, i really like the Brosnan movies (i grew up with those ones im only 24) and i cant stand Craig (to actiony) but Dalton was very carried by the supporting cast (loved his villains hated him)

You probably could've just combined 22, 17, 16, 14, 13, 5, and 4 into one and just say "_______ ruins _______"

Movie Bob telling us that we need to shut up about our opinions again because they've been said an arbitrary amount of times? No thank you. And Superman IS boring, you want a character who doesn't have a stick up his ass and does the right thing because they're right? Fair enough, but did you have to make him a physical God? Man of Steel looks interesting interesting because Superman is portrayed as Human and not an invulnerable flying brick that never gets upset.

No Movie Bob I will NOT fucking shut up about it.

Craig's Bond is the best. Best actor to take on the role, benefitting from the best scripts. Never heard anyone say Moore was the worst all that much, though.

How was Search for Spock a good movie? Sure, it wasn't as bad as "The Motion Picture" or "Insurrection", but I wouldn't ever put it up there with any of the even numbered movies. "Star Trek - 09" is a continuation of the streak, and it looks like we're going to lose it with "Into Darkness".

P.S. Superman isn't inherently bad because he's too powerful. He's bad because he only has one real weakness that they shove into the plot whenever they can. It makes the villains he fights against either have to be near-God to cause him any difficulty, or Superman has to be an idiot for a long time in order to keep the story going. It causes writers to go into corners, which is boring.

24. Yeah, Family Guy wasn't exactly worth resurrecting

23. He's definitely easier to adapt because of his humanity and significant angst

22. It definitely needs to be scaled back

21. It could have been good, it was just plagued by mostly bad writers

20. Not forever, but it doesn't help the reputation of comics

19. Don't care anymore, I have the original cuts.

18. Maybe a bit

17. So annoying

16. Only if you let them. They're still boring and badly made though

15. True, a lot of great artists said "fuck proportions." Some artists do need to realize that skeletons and joints have limits though

14. Agreed.

13. Bigots need to just shut up

12. Thank you for noticing the obvious. You could also say the same of Samus (before Other M), Link, Commander Shepard, and every bloody W-RPG protagonist ever.

11. Whatever

10. Moore had the unfortunate luck of being in one of the stupidest eras of James Bond which included some of the WORST movies of the series. Poor bastard

9. No need to reiterate the obvious

8. No comment

7. Ugh, 3D Blast

6. Indeed, CAPCOM has one of the WHINIEST fanbases I've ever seen

5. Agreed

4. True, a lot of anime dubs as of recent are very good. Heck, anime and games actually share TONS of voice talent.

3. Not...really. That's actually being kind of ignorant, Bob. If you're talking about DBZ clones you might have a point, but manga is way more varied a medium than that.

2. I have no words

1. In the hands of SHITTY writers he is.

Falseprophet:
21. The 1990s "Dark Age" of comics was totally negative.
1. Superman is too powerful to be an interesting character.

I know we're in this period where every hero has to be brooding and flawed and have deeply personal reasons for doing what they do. But can we keep one guy around who tries to do the right thing just because it's the right thing?

To me, it just seems like there are fewer opportunities to have Superman be super then there are other superheroes to be who they are. I hate to use Batman as an example, but there is a moment in Dark Knight Returns where he's basically taking on normal street thugs and preventing a rookie cop getting himself killed, and it's tense and really lets Batman showcase his abilities. Superman on the other hand, only gets to really showcase his potential with upper tier super bad guys or convoluted situations. Otherwise, it seems like he's being really dumb just to give the enemy a fighting chance. Not saying he's a bad character or there aren't times that I enjoyed him, it just seems like the writers really have to know what they're doing with him to make him work.

Marik Bentusi:
"Escapist Team! We need a neat little exciting series!"

"How about we write about stuff we find boring."

"Excellent!"

...and yet Bob made it an interesting and worthwhile read. :)

MichaelMaverick:
I'm willing to put up with a lot of stuff on that list, but #3 is so wrong it literally makes no sense.

Do you mean that the statement "Manga is superior to Western comics because its stories have endings." is wrong, or that Bob's commentary about the stories repeating is wrong? I'd say both are probably wrong, honestly. When I think of popular mangas, many of them go on for one hell of a long time (which I don't mean as a positive or negative)... and some still arguably drag out aimlessly for far longer than they should (I'm looking at you, Bleach). Regarding Bob's commentary--that one's a little weird. Bob, better than most of us, probably, should be well aware of the fact that there are only a handful of basic types of story, so criticizing manga (or any other storytelling medium) for telling the same story again and again really doesn't make much sense (especially given that, as a movie critic, his job entails watching the same couple of stories again and again and again). I may have misunderstood his comment, though.

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone happen to know how much of a creative team is involved in making manga vs making Western comics? I was under the impression that the former is basically created by one person (plus an editor/basic support people?) whereas the IP for Western comics is typically (or so I'm guessing?) owned by DC, Marvel, etc. and they have a whole staff (subject to change/replacement) working on a particular comic. ...or if Bob would ever want to explain any of that via video or article, I'd be quite interested.

schmulki:
"X people destroyed games."

Lets put it this way, if enough people who watched movies ONLY watched bro movies or summer blockbusters, wouldn't people who are really into movies get annoyed at the fact that because that's where the money is, more and more of what those people like is made and less and less of what you like is made?

Yes, of course that happens, and the way better movies are made much of hte time is by alternative/smaller places. Until relatively recently, there wasn't enough of an indy scene for more interesting/innovative games to come out of.

I can't say for sure, but I feel like I've heard less and less of that argument in the past couple of years since we've had SUCH an influx of indy games to help drive the market in interesting ways.

So, hopefully those arguments will leave the list soon enough.

How can the argument EVER leave if movies/games appeal to the mayority that doesnt give 2 shits about their messages or be challenged? You may say that at least SOME idiot on his spare time and lack of resourses could do an indie movie, but what would be the point if your attention to detail and themes are ignored in favor of pandering to the lowest common denominator? why the lazy are rewarded (Sthepany Meyer and Michael Bay) but the virtous starve?

Now You may say that games will have it differently now with things like Steam and Kickstarter giving the audience some control of what and what isnt founded and released, but the public image of games isnt focused on the indie, its focused on the AAA because that is where the marketing its at its strongest. That is the reason of why non gamers think that games are the same "violent and pornographic" bullshit, because they see the same thing being marketed over and over to the point that they think that is all there is about games. Also, they are too lazy to research it even if this is the age where Internet SHOULD satisfy their curiosity about a work of art

3. Casual gamers have ruined gaming.

Commentary unnecessary.

So, once again, you are not going to try to explain why? getting lazy Movie Bro.......as usual.

5. Fratboy "bro" gamers ruined gaming.

Y'know what's ruining gaming, folks? Dicing the audience up into little teams so we can find one or two of them to blame.

That sounds like YOU are ruining gaming too, Movie Bro. After all, everytime there is a controversy that you are unable to research properly ("FPS suck and there is no sexism on Metroid Other M" Heavens To Metroid or "You are an entitled brat that its destroying gaming for demanding better writting" ME3 fiasco) you divide the people between the ones that loved your Overthinker show for when you actually OVERTHINKED issues, and the ones that are just drones incapable of thinking for themselves and that bash the SPAM or dislike buttom to anything that looks like a legitimate criticism.

Surprised "Avatar has an unoriginal plot" didn't make it onto this list. That's about as boring and tired an opinion you can get.

51: Making huge self indulgent lists of things that annoy you, and then telling others to "get over themselves".

I may deserve a "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" for this one, but how about:
51) They need to bring back Firefly.
Or simply "They should never have canceled _______." I'm just particularly tired of the Firefly one. Yes, it was a good show and everyone who likes it agrees with you, but it's over, let it go. If you're jonesing for some Nathan Fillion, watch Castle.

It's funny, but I actually never picked Family Guy back up after it was first cancelled. When it was being revived, I borrowed a friend's DVD collection of the early seasons and watched them again and it just wasn't very good. The thing that seperates Family Guy from, for example, Futurama, is that Futurama's humor is intelligent and satirical. Family Guy relies on references (which are lazy), randomness (which is only funny the first time, and not so much after because you expect it) and fart jokes. It's good for a laugh the first time around, but it looses it's appeal quickly.

Actually, I kind of like Roger Moore as Bond. The movies he was in were never the greatest, but they were watchable and even managed to be fun (except for Moonraker and Octopussy). Yeah, I put Timothy Dalton as the worst Bond. I mean, Dalton's a decent actor, but the way he played Bond was just boring and the TD Bond films were basically just generic action films with Bond conventions arbitrarily stapled onto them. They barely felt like Bond films at all.
That said, though, I also liked Brosnan as Bond. I hated all of them but Goldeneye, which I recognize isn't really the best Bond movie, but I did like his performance as the character.
And honestly, I also George Lazenby's take on Bond, considering the thematic direction that "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" was taking. A proper followup to that film (as opposed to the screw-up that was "Diamonds Are Forever") would have made the James Bond series actually work as genuine art as well as fun adventure films. I'm actually planning out an essay to explain that, I'm so convinced of my position on it.

I prefer watching films in their original language. But I'm a hardcore watcher when I take to a movie. I don't just watch the sub, I actually go to the trouble of learning a little bit about the language so I can appreciate the elements of the script that don't translate properly into English (Japanese is an especially big case of where you loose a lot in translation, because there are so many elements to that language's grammar that add layers of meaning which can't be expressed in English the same way). That said, I'm not opposed, per say, to the idea of dubs, but I hate how lazily and bad some companies are about dubbing. Clearly not understanding what's going on and adding explanations to the dialogue that don't make any sense, adding absolutely ridiculous sound effects because they thought it'd be funny, randomly changing the dialogue to mean something completely different for no other reason than "we can," that sort of thing. Fuck, there's a special level of hell for the people who dubbed "Laputa" for all those horrible jokes they added in and the fact that they never allow the characters to shut the fuck up and thus destroy some of the more subtle and beautiful moments in the film. I'm not specifically opposed to dubs, because I can't honestly expect everyone to be as hardcore about it as I am (I'm a little bit insane), but I'm sure as hell opposed to bad dubs.
And there are some really fucking bad dubs.

erttheking:
Movie Bob telling us that we need to shut up about our opinions again because they've been said an arbitrary amount of times? No thank you. And Superman IS boring, you want a character who doesn't have a stick up his ass and does the right thing because they're right? Fair enough, but did you have to make him a physical God? Man of Steel looks interesting interesting because Superman is portrayed as Human and not an invulnerable flying brick that never gets upset.

I will have your babies if you keep up the good pace, mate :D

Falseprophet:

1. Superman is too powerful to be an interesting character.

I know we're in this period where every hero has to be brooding and flawed and have deeply personal reasons for doing what they do. But can we keep one guy around who tries to do the right thing just because it's the right thing?

I am NO comic geek or a Superman sawy person, so tell me, What is Superman definition of "right"? what masses/democracy wants? what is "right" for humanity in the long run? making everyone happy ALA Ethical Hedonism kind of way because its "right" for everyone to be happy or at least live long enough for them to decide what they want to do with their lives?

I'm not sure I get your Mass Effect point, considering you were the one heavily debating on the side of the "Don't Change The Endings Because Art" fence for so goddamn long. Now that you're finished ranting about it we should too? Don't get me wrong, I agree we've probably come at that topic from every angle possible by now but... does that mean we should suddenly stop talking about it? On that note, I haven't actually heard anyone talk about it for bloody ages. I'm pretty sure people actively go out of their way to avoid ME3 discussions now, which kind of just leads me to think that your point (like a lot of your other points in the list) was simply included for circlejerk purposes.

I'm also just not sure what the whole Bond segment is about. Isn't one of the benefits of changing the actor that plays Bond every now and then is that you can change certain elements of him to fit the time period? I mean, Craig's Bond is very dark and gritty (which, let's face it, is a prevalent staple of recent action films) whereas Brosnan's Bond was a little campy and fond of one-liners (that's the 90s for you!) So, can it ever really be said that one Bond is better or worse considering they're different characters in a lot of ways? Of course that doesn't mean you can't prefer one or the other, but it just seems useless debating which one is better or worse when some Bonds are so different that the only thing they have in common is the name, profession and love for martinis.

Also, I'm pretty sure Sonic the Hedgehog games have been gradually picking up in quality recently. Don't get me wrong, Sonic '06 was undeniably bad due to numerous design choices and bugs but recent titles such as Sonic Generations have been steering the franchise in the right direction. I don't think anyone boards the circlejerk train of Sonic hate as frequently as you think these days.

And some of these just boil down to "your opinion is wrong because of my opinion." I get in a lot of ways you use that for humour, but at other times (see points 3 and 24) there's no punchline in sight. Maybe you don't have enough time to flesh our your opinions or you've got some kind of limited word count per article, but the old age retort of "your opinion is wrong because of my opinion" is something you'd expect to see in a forum post - not in a supposedly professional article for a respected website. I think, in short, it's impossible to tell when you're joking around and when you're trying to be serious half the time. The nature of the topic certainly doesn't help. I don't think combating venomous opinions with venomous opinions is going to leave a sweet taste in anyone's mouth. I guess maybe I'm going a little bit too in-depth about all this, but it just seems like the very point of this article is to point out topics that are only going to piss people off. Like I said before, I think the majority of people that were pissed about the ME3 endings have moved on now. Isn't bringing it up in an article based on who's right or who's wrong only going to open up the same can of worms all over again? It almost seems as if that's the end goal here. Carpet-bomb the article with a bunch of opinions that are going to do nothing other than inspire people to take to the comments and rant (much like I've done.)

I'm surprised that "___________ proves that video games can be art" didn't make the list. Yeah, Shadow of the Colossus has some artsy style and themes. But man, they really tried hard to sabotage that game with its controls.

Number 3: You know Bob, a few years back I would have proberly not agreed with you but... I tried reading some new SJ series a while back and... gawd damn, I could LITERALLY guess each page/event/character type. For example, peeps keep going on about Blue Exocist but as ive read Naruto/Bleach/D.Gray Man I can guess EVERY point, EVERY DAMN CHARACTER. Shounen manga tends to get more varied/interesting with its characters/settings around the 3rd volume but ive really struggled to make it that far in recent series. So much so ive retreated back into western cartoons... I COULDN'T BE HAPPIER, but I do wish some of the more grating sterotypes would just fall out of popularity already. I hear Bleach is kind of on the up with the latest arc, actual stakes, etc... could be fun.

23. Who the hell says that about Batman? most DC characters are unrelatable by their nature and why should they be? If anything he isn't suppose to be

21. as much as like say otherwise, some of the best comics ever made was during the 90s

20. i don't know, plenty of People threw a fit at the Storyline Sins Past and Civil War and the Other (which i personally thought was OK). OMD is different because it completely broke the characters to get to their main objective.
For me Spider-man is ruined forever :P

19. Agreed it didn't ruin his character much, but the scene as a whole that was ruined

17. I want to see purple used next year :)

15. I think Female proportion have gotten only slightly better because the 90s made it so clearly ridiculous, i'm all right with cheese cake myself i just don't like it for the sake of it.

14. I friggin Love easy mode! >:(

11. so nothing has changed since... ever?

7. Sonic is getting better

6. Nah, they don't like EA, Konami and others they're just careless and Lazy :)

5. Much much more is ruining gaming Fratboy's are the least of our worries

4. that is such a crock, Kung Fu films are better dubbed, lets face it, those dubs are great for every reason :P

3. This argument makes no sense and shouldn't be taken seriously anyway

2. Nicholas Cage is Awesome, you get what you paid for. craziness n'all :)

1. Agreed, I don't like Superman myself but him being too powerful has nothing to do with it

Good List Bob, i think you hit most of the heavy hitters.

Devin Barker:

NinjaDeathSlap:

Devin Barker:
"Roger Moore was the worst James Bond." Really? not Timothy Dalton... pretty sure the worst was Timothy Dalton

If we're talking about 'Who was in the worst Bond movies', which a lot of people find difficult to distinguish from 'Who was the worst James Bond' then... I don't know. Neither had movies as good as Connery or Craig. Dalton's movies were forgettable, whilst Moore's were silly. I'd be inclined to say that Brosnan had the worst movies (with the exception of Goldeneye), as they were just as silly as Moore's without the charm of also being old fashioned.

In terms of which of the two of them was actually better as James Bond though, I'm sorry, but Dalton absolutely destroys Moore.

Maybe this is a generational thing, i really like the Brosnan movies (i grew up with those ones im only 24) and i cant stand Craig (to actiony) but Dalton was very carried by the supporting cast (loved his villains hated him)

For me, Dalton is my favorites because he's the only one who has actually made Bond into a believable character, rather than just an archetypal school-boy wet dream. Dalton seems to me like the one out of all of them who really put some thought into the role, rather than just "Oh hey I'm James Bond now, I'd better go and be James Bond and do all the things people expect James Bond to do". His exterior is more understated than the others, because he's a spy and it kind of goes against the grain for him to draw attention to himself (this is one area where I really don't like Craig, who in Casino Royale literally announces to the villain exactly who he is because hey, Bond is so awesome he can do that right? Urgh, just no), and yet he can do this without losing any of Bond's charisma. He's a suave as the rest, but without feeling the need to show off all the time, which actually makes Bond even more charismatic. He always has a coldness behind his eyes though which really makes me believe the sheer amount of people 007 has killed in his career. He's actually threatening, in a way which Moore and Brosnan never were. Even the audience can never really tell what Dalton's Bond is thinking, let alone the villains.

In a way though, I think Moore does get given a hard time. He's not terrible, and in a way I think he's a victim of his own success. In the end, he was just in too many of the damn things so people got sick of him.

Round 2

23) Yes, an orphened billionaire is relateable to us normal humans.

22) This still goes on? Put down the Jim Henson and watch what most puppets and animitronics actually looked like.

21) A big picture of examples please? Still, the 90s had Kingdom Come, so I won't write them off completely.

20) No, it got notiriaty for the sheer fanficishness of the whys and hows we got to the new status quo. It's hard to look at something that pretty much stops trying to fool us.

19) Really thought this would be higher.

15) Given the funky art styles of comics these days, I miss this being the worst thing I saw.

14) No it ruins a game that is designed about being hard, one which some people fell horrbily put off by because playing isn't fun but winning is (they'd have never survived the NES days).

11) More like the mediums themselves are overlapping. Why do I need a remake of series X when I have the DVDs for series X right here.

5) Funny, you pick on them enough.

4) Holdover from when dubs were aweful most of the time and that was if they didn't rewrite most of it.

3) Manga doesn't go on forever? Two words: One Piece. Also include jokes about X/1999 never ending (just stopping unfinished) or the 17+ years it's taken to adapt Evangellion.

1) Probably, but it's an issue of suspension of disbeleif. You know Batman won't die (at least for good) but since a lot of things could kill him you can put that out of your mind. Hard to do that with a character that traditionally needs Krytonite (or magic depending on when you're reading) to be hurt.

As long as these "boring" opinions keep finding ample grounds to be based on, I don't see any reason to stop mentioning them from time to time.

And I guess our ego's defenses have recently evolved from saying 'your opinion is wrong' to 'your opinion is boring'.

Aiddon:

3. Not...really. That's actually being kind of ignorant, Bob. If you're talking about DBZ clones you might have a point, but manga is way more varied a medium than that.

I do believe that shounen, shoujo, etc have their cliches but that tends to be true for most media, obviously its how there handled that matters. To many artists in shounen manga especially seem to emulate their roll models, put me off ALOT of new series. I don't care that im a 'shounen fag' or what ever 4chan wants to call me, what I care about is being able to guess page for page the first few volumes of an entire series.

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