Most Boring Opinions in Geek Culture - Part II

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Rogjah:
I may deserve a "Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!" for this one, but how about:
51) They need to bring back Firefly.
Or simply "They should never have canceled _______." I'm just particularly tired of the Firefly one. Yes, it was a good show and everyone who likes it agrees with you, but it's over, let it go. If you're jonesing for some Nathan Fillion, watch Castle.

I also think that the people who really, genuinely want Firefly back don't understand that it's precisely because of its brevity and cult status that we raise it up so high. It never got the time do 'do and Elvis', fall victim to its own success, become bloated and stale, and then shit itself to death. If they brought it back now they'd only be doing it for the purposes of milking nerd nostalgia, and that means they wouldn't just bring it back for a couple of seasons, they'd bring it back forever, and that would be the absolute worst thing for it.

14. Easy mode ruins games.

It's a game, not the SATs. Get over yourself.

Its not about difficult, Movie Bro. But then again you are no stranger to use strawmen.

43. Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

Seriously, folks, at some point we're going to have to accept that every possible variation on this point has been made. Many times. There's no meat left on the bones.

Because demostrating with objective observation and facts (because one CAN obtain opinions based on facts, did you know that Bro?) that such a pathetic excuse for "artistic integrity" can be harmful for the future of gaming is TRULLY A BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING OPINION!!

Either that, or you are covering your ass by making sure that the ME3 fiaco doesnt involve you anymore since you defended it just as well as Colin Moriarty did (Protip: You failed just as hard)

http://awtr.ca/long:mass-effect-3-and-the-art-of-criticism-or-why-colin-mor

Just like with Heavens to Metroid, you want to divert the converzation so people dont notice your failures. That would explain why your newer Overthinker episodes are framed in such a way like if you were expecting a new audience, because you knew your fans are loooooooooong gone :D

Y'know, I don't usually say this... but jeez, Bob, lighten up.

The opinions themselves may not be particularly original, but the wider discussions they sometimes spark might be. Just dismissing them out of hand is unworthy of a normally excellent pop culture commentator such as yourself, and the "I am RIGHT" tone is as off putting here as it was in "Why you are wrong about Sucker Punch."

Provoke me to think about things, but don't tell me what to think.

So I've noticed alot of people are a bit heated over some things Movie Bob said. This is just a friendly reminder, but remember these are his OPINIONS. Don't take it personally if you disagree with any of them. Feel free to state your own but I doubt your opinions are going to change his.

For the most part, the list came off as a little boring and whiny, like it became the very thing it was trying to fight or something.

The point about Nicholas Cage sounded interesting though, I'd love to see that elaborated on in a Big Picture episode ^^

I'd like to make an observation if I could. Those of you who are citing #3 as being wrong based on the fact that Bob probably hasn't done his research (which is more what I assume you're doing since all of you seem to be immediately dismissive of it rather then inciting thoughtful debate) are standing on the edge of intellectual dishonesty. If you want those of us who read Western Comics but not manga to drop our generalizations about your medium of choice then you are going to have to do the same for us. This is an interesting debate, but it always gets bogged down in arguments that rely on generalizations.

Smolderin:
So I've noticed alot of people are a bit heated over some things Movie Bob said. This is just a friendly reminder, but remember these are his OPINIONS. Don't take it personally if you disagree with any of them. Feel free to state your own but I doubt your opinions are going to change his.

It's become clear to me that people don't come to the Internet to debate, they come to the Internet to be agreed with.

I normally agree with Bob on a lot of stuff, but having just finished this article, all I can think is...

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Bob, you make your living doing nothing but offering your personal opinion on various facets of nerd and pop culture. People enjoy it. I enjoy it. When you did that Heavens To Metroid episode of the Overthinker, I actually really dug your arguments. But this article just seems like you criticising people for doing much the same thing as you do. Did we really need a two-parter about how Sucker Punch is apparently brilliant (even though it's really just an inferior version of Brazil)? Not really. That was just your opinion.

Given how much you like to restate in your videos your opinion that The Expendables and Transformers are both terrible movies, I really don't think you're in much of a position to go round criticising other people for doing much the same. Not saying I don't enjoy what you do, because I do. But, y'know, why not just content yourself to throw out criticism from your little part of the pop-culture sphere, and allow others to do so from theirs?

Smolderin:
So I've noticed alot of people are a bit heated over some things Movie Bob said. This is just a friendly reminder, but remember these are his OPINIONS. Don't take it personally if you disagree with any of them. Feel free to state your own but I doubt your opinions are going to change his.

The irony here is that he's using his opinion to criticise others for their opinions, despite the fact that he puts forth his opinions in much the same way that others do.

I like MovieBob, but I've thought this article was a bad idea since he mentioned possibly writing it on twitter. The article is NOT the "50 most boring opinions in geek culture." They seem more like the 50 most popular opinions in geek culture that I feel like mentioning to show that I'm listening. And to share his opinion on each one. I'd like to point out that in the beginning of the first article, he says he's not going to share his opinion on the arguments, and yet does in at least 60% of them.

NinjaDeathSlap:

Devin Barker:

NinjaDeathSlap:

If we're talking about 'Who was in the worst Bond movies', which a lot of people find difficult to distinguish from 'Who was the worst James Bond' then... I don't know. Neither had movies as good as Connery or Craig. Dalton's movies were forgettable, whilst Moore's were silly. I'd be inclined to say that Brosnan had the worst movies (with the exception of Goldeneye), as they were just as silly as Moore's without the charm of also being old fashioned.

In terms of which of the two of them was actually better as James Bond though, I'm sorry, but Dalton absolutely destroys Moore.

Maybe this is a generational thing, i really like the Brosnan movies (i grew up with those ones im only 24) and i cant stand Craig (to actiony) but Dalton was very carried by the supporting cast (loved his villains hated him)

For me, Dalton is my favorites because he's the only one who has actually made Bond into a believable character, rather than just an archetypal school-boy wet dream. Dalton seems to me like the one out of all of them who really put some thought into the role, rather than just "Oh hey I'm James Bond now, I'd better go and be James Bond and do all the things people expect James Bond to do". His exterior is more understated than the others, because he's a spy and it kind of goes against the grain for him to draw attention to himself (this is one area where I really don't like Craig, who in Casino Royale literally announces to the villain exactly who he is because hey, Bond is so awesome he can do that right? Urgh, just no), and yet he can do this without losing any of Bond's charisma. He's a suave as the rest, but without feeling the need to show off all the time, which actually makes Bond even more charismatic. He always has a coldness behind his eyes though which really makes me believe the sheer amount of people 007 has killed in his career. He's actually threatening, in a way which Moore and Brosnan never were. Even the audience can never really tell what Dalton's Bond is thinking, let alone the villains.

wow very well put, all i have is a simple "fair enough sir, fair enough"... but i still like Brosnan... its a childhood thing :p
In a way though, I think Moore does get given a hard time. He's not terrible, and in a way I think he's a victim of his own success. In the end, he was just in too many of the damn things so people got sick of him.

#5 - I find it odd that Bob is calling people out for segmenting gamers and attacking "fratboy bros" when that's ONE OF HIS MAIN SCHTICKS as the over"thinker".

Again I say, Bob Chipman is a worthless fucking hypocrite.

To those of you denying Bob's point on Manga, got two words for you....

TENCHI MUYO.

12. Mario is a cipher and not a character.

Kinda. Most characters who hail from the very beginning of a given medium tend to be a little light on the nuance. Speaking of something being really old? "Edgy" takedowns of a given medium's big mascot/headliner. Hey, you wanna "stick it" to Mickey Mouse next? Fight the pow-ah!

"Mickey Mouse is dead/
got kicked in the head/
'Cause people got too serious/
planned out what they said/
Couldn't take the fantasy/
tried to accept reality/
Analyze the laughs/
'Cause pleasure comes in halves."
--Subhumans "Mickey Mouse is Dead"

This is actully the most eloquent commentary on the pleasure derived from entertainment that I have ever heard. "Pleasure comes in halves," it sure does, because it seems that the pleasure we feel when being entertained is incomplete unless we try to break it apart, analyze it, and eventually turn on those who do not come to the same conclusuions that we do, because that is the missing half of the pleasure that we feel.

Smolderin:
So I've noticed a lot of people are a bit heated over some things Movie Bob said. This is just a friendly reminder, but remember these are his OPINIONS. Don't take it personally if you disagree with any of them.

While true,the tone and presentation are just very provoking(even I'm having a hard time not responding),I'm not really sure if he genuinely believes himself or if he just wants to provoke a discussion.Considering his previous "flops" concerning "boring" geek opinions I believe it's the first one.I do understand that he's human and can make mistakes,but still,his views on certain subjects are just ignorant and that's the last thing you want to present as a notable person on the internet that others listen to.
Also why doesn't Bob look into why these opinions come up and are repeated until they become "boring" to read.Where did they start?Why did they start?What was the problem?<-That can be interesting stuff,seeing and reading heated discussions,rants,essays and people finding reason within it all.And finally forming your own outlook as an informed outsider,that can now properly join the discussion and share his own conclusions,and by conclusions I don't mean: "This is stupid,unnecessary and useless"-because that doesn't bring anything to the table,in that case it's better just not to participate.
Then he can come to a better understanding of the people that express them rather than shrugging them aside like an annoyance.It makes him look egocentric,which isn't a good image.

And since I'm getting worked up:

Number 22: THANK YOU!! I'm so sick of people bashing CGI, then turning around and showing some old, out-of-date, piece of crap filled with bad "practical effects" as an example of what "special effects are suppose to be."

Also, there sure are a lot of butthurt whiners replying to this.
"Waaaaahhh!!!! How dare you criticize our, (as in "nerd/geek culture as a whole"), bad habit of beating dead horses! Waaaahhh!!"

If I didn't know any better, then I'd claim that all those posts are all from accounts made by The Man Entitled Child from Kentucky. Luckily, I have a brain and know better than to make baseless accusations against others simply because they have a different opinion.

Oh and those calling Bob a hypocrite: Read part one again! Particularly where he admits to contributing to this "problem" himself. This article is as much as self-criticism as a criticism on "nerd/geek culture."

That's one reason why I respect Bob. He's not scared of pointing out his own flaws. Something too many "nerds/geeks" fail to do.

My addition to the list would have been, "_____________ is an overrated plagiarist."

Mostly Quentin Tarantino, but others as well. Quentin Tarantino is only making his versions of movies he's grown up watching, or ones he watched in that video store he worked at. This is no different than George Lucas, Coppolla, or Spielberg, who did big budget versions of Space operas, gangster movies, and monster movies.

Grunt_Man11:

Oh and those calling Bob a hypocrite: Read part one again! Particularly where he admits to contributing to this "problem" himself. This article is as much as self-criticism as a criticism on "nerd/geek culture."

That's one reason why I respect Bob. He's not scared of pointing out his own flaws. Something too many "nerds/geeks" fail to do.

When has Bob ever pointed out his own flaws? Aside from when he's called out for spewing bullshit and has to admit he's wrong to save face, the man is an arrogant, egotistical narcissist.

Smolderin:
So I've noticed alot of people are a bit heated over some things Movie Bob said. This is just a friendly reminder, but remember these are his OPINIONS. Don't take it personally if you disagree with any of them. Feel free to state your own but I doubt your opinions are going to change his.

Smolderin, this is the reason that we are heated: He doesn't WANT us to state our opinions. They've gotten too boring for his highness. Mr "I'm going to complain about specific geek opinions", doesn't like sharing space with people who actually are able to provide a real argument without streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetching oooooooooooooooout woooooooooooooooooooooords!

Compare Cage's movie roles to someone, anyone, else. You know what the difference is? His movies have a wide range of different characters. A lot of actors don't go outside their comfort zone of preferred roles, Cage does. Does it make him weird? No. Does he come off as weird? Yes, only because there is no associative continuity to his career, and lack of continuity is why people think he is weird.

P.S: Word puzzle; that's what she said.

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:

Bob, you make your living doing nothing but offering your personal opinion on various facets of nerd and pop culture. People enjoy it. I enjoy it. When you did that Heavens To Metroid episode of the Overthinker, I actually really dug your arguments.

.......

U srs? You can be serious are you? you got to tell me at least ONE thing that was good about that video.

hurricanejbb:
#5 - I find it odd that Bob is calling people out for segmenting gamers and attacking "fratboy bros" when that's ONE OF HIS MAIN SCHTICKS as the over"thinker".

Again I say, Bob Chipman is a worthless fucking hypocrite.

HEY KIDS!! Guess what? The Anti-Thinker is back!!! Resurrected by whatever the fuck force was behind Necrothinker and shit. He is ready to be used as a strawmen for BRO COD LOVERS!!

Isn't that Cute?

MichaelMaverick:
I'm willing to put up with a lot of stuff on that list, but #3 is so wrong it literally makes no sense.

And because I just know you had this in mind even though the list dodges the issue: for the last time, easy mode is fine, but if you add it to a game where the core experience is the challenge from the high difficulty, you are actively killing the game, this is objective game-design theory, we've been over this already, let's discuss it no more.

Crazy thought. If someone isn't skilled enough to play the game on normal, wouldn't Easy Mode provide to same manner of challenge, scaled to their level?

Kinda like how the first time someone picks up Guitar Hero, Easy and Medium will kick their ass until they get better?

That's a rhetorical question, because that's pretty much the whole point of difficulty settings, and anyone who like to pretend otherwise is in the extreme minority.

Bhaalspawn:

hurricanejbb:
#5 - I find it odd that Bob is calling people out for segmenting gamers and attacking "fratboy bros" when that's ONE OF HIS MAIN SCHTICKS as the over"thinker".

Again I say, Bob Chipman is a worthless fucking hypocrite.

He said in part 1 that he is guilty of several of the things on this list, dumbass.

If the solution to a problem is more of the same problem (as in, preventing Ash from getting punched by John by punching Ash so hard that is head explodes), then you know you are dealing with Movie Bro.

or a certain AI whose name shall not be spoken because, god forbid that we actually argue about the future implications of certain work on the gaming medium

Bhaalspawn:

MichaelMaverick:
I'm willing to put up with a lot of stuff on that list, but #3 is so wrong it literally makes no sense.

And because I just know you had this in mind even though the list dodges the issue: for the last time, easy mode is fine, but if you add it to a game where the core experience is the challenge from the high difficulty, you are actively killing the game, this is objective game-design theory, we've been over this already, let's discuss it no more.

Crazy thought. If someone isn't skilled enough to play the game on normal, wouldn't Easy Mode provide to same manner of challenge, scaled to their level?

Kinda like how the first time someone picks up Guitar Hero, Easy and Medium will kick their ass until they get better?

That's a rhetorical question, because that's pretty much the whole point of difficulty settings, and anyone who like to pretend otherwise is in the extreme minority.

Exhibit B:

Exhibit A was already posted but of course, nobody commented on it........again.

Bhaalspawn:

On Overthinker, he's actually stopped attacking the dudebro crowd in favor of directing his criticism at the angry portion of gamer community that screams about publishers, greed, easy modes, get worked into a frothing rage the instant they don't get their bottle and generally behave like.... well...

At 20:00. Why fix what isnt broken?

Then again, that is one of the few new videos of the GO on Youtube, i have yet to see the rest (but of course the Screwattack player doesnt work)

Can someone remind me why this person's opinion is worth a fuck? What makes an opinion "boring", that it's repeated? That doesn't make it more correct or incorrect.

He's just an infinitely shittier Jim Sterling.

JellySlimerMan:

Bhaalspawn:

On Overthinker, he's actually stopped attacking the dudebro crowd in favor of directing his criticism at the angry portion of gamer community that screams about publishers, greed, easy modes, get worked into a frothing rage the instant they don't get their bottle and generally behave like.... well...

At 20:00. Why fix what isnt broken?

Then again, that is one of the few new videos of the GO on Youtube, i have yet to see the rest (but of course the Screwattack player doesnt work)

Actually he killed him off again in the next episode. He's doing an homage to (ripping off) DBZ and that was the use of the Freeza / Cell transition right down to himself cosplaying Trunks.

Though I'll agree with the larger rant: at least a few of these list items are things he's egged on and only seems bored once the conversation doesn't totaly shift his way. He has several shows to start more unique conversations, then reads the wiki page on supergirl and lists bad B movies instead. Seems he could be doing a lot better.

As much as I hate to agree with number one, Superman is pretty cool when you read enough of the comics. I used to actively avoid Action Comics because of that belief. I wouldn't say I'm a fan still but I'm now looking forward to the new film.

As for the manga being better thing, yeah that's a stupid statement. I totally agree with him on that. You can't class all of a medium like that. You can't say "all of this is better than all of that." I hate having those conversations

Also, I can't stand listening to Japanese voice acting so I prefer dubbed anime.

But...manga can last a really long time. One Piece has been one weekly serialized story since 1997. And from my perspective (currently on Volume 64) the story is only about half way done. And don't even get me started on Naruto. The latest Shinobi World War arc is just so long and bloated that it really just needs to end...like right now. WHY WON'T NARUTO JUST END?!?!

Anyway yeah I've never heard anyone say #3 before and Bob's argument to that was even weirder.

JellySlimerMan:
*snip*

Well I suppose I should say welcome to the escapist. Not sure if you are a "long time reader first time writer" or whatever, but I will guess that you have been a long time hater of Moviebob. I do not share your opinion on him apparently, but your welcome to yours. Just wanted to say hi since just you seemed to make your account for the sole purpose of attempting to destroy this post. It has been amusing. So again, Welcome.

I would like Bob to elaborate on #3 at some point. I do not know much about anime outside of what shows on Toonami (e.g. Where young boy/man grows in power over time till he destroys whatever enemy he has), but I am curious as to if that extends to anime outside of my casual viewing.

Anything but easy mode usually ruins a game for me. Forch Unleashed for example, I do not want to hit a dude with a lightsaber more than once or twice otherwise I'm using a baton and it looks dumb.

I agree with most of that list, and the spirit of the article, which a few others have failed to grasp entirely.

A few thoughts:

-24: Family Guy sucked after Season 3

As far as I'm concerned, Family Guy sucked from the first episode and didn't stop sucking, (and I saw the damn pilot).
Everything I've seen of the show since then has been tenuous at best, bad comedy at worst.
Agree, disagree. Whatever. I hate that show and I hate how it's written.

-22, 17: Movie Effects
CGI, effects, color correction, etc isn't making movies "worse".
These are techniques in production, and aren't inherently "bad". It's overuse and misuse of those techniques I take issue with.

Like with Shakey-Cam.
I cannot stand most Shakey-Cam, because there are very few instances where it actually works, yet some directors keep using anytime there's action.
(protip: Unless it's from a character's direct first person perspective, or the entire environment is moving violently, most actions scenes SHOULDN'T use it. Don't shoot an action scene only to ruin it by not letting the audience see what the fuck is happening.)

So why do films keep abusing them? I'm guessing it's because most of the audience eats that shit up.

-13 "It's a game, not the SATs. Get over yourself."

Agreed, though I rode the Dark Souls rodeo before, only to be met with logical fallacies and a religious like zeal to protect their sacred idol. Arguing against them even in conceptually is foolish, not because they're right, but because they believe they cannot be wrong.

-1 On Superman..
I find him boring as a character in the same way I find most Greek myths boring.
Sufficed to say, I would have made a poor Helenic citizen, though at least Euripides would have had another fan (his plays were counter-cultural more relevant, and less self-serving. I actually like them.)

While I am thoroughly peeved by the near-arrogance Bob boasts with the concept of this list, I can take it with a grain of salt. I think for the most part, Bob takes issue the with hyperbole of what has made the list, not necessarily the essence of the opinion behind it.

Also, whole-heartedly agree with number one.

JellySlimerMan:

43. Mass Effect 3's ending was bad.

Seriously, folks, at some point we're going to have to accept that every possible variation on this point has been made. Many times. There's no meat left on the bones.

Because demostrating with objective observation and facts (because one CAN obtain opinions based on facts, did you know that Bro?) that such a pathetic excuse for "artistic integrity" can be harmful for the future of gaming is TRULLY A BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING OPINION!!

Either that, or you are covering your ass by making sure that the ME3 fiaco doesnt involve you anymore since you defended it just as well as Colin Moriarty did (Protip: You failed just as hard)

http://awtr.ca/long:mass-effect-3-and-the-art-of-criticism-or-why-colin-mor

Just like with Heavens to Metroid, you want to divert the converzation so people dont notice your failures. That would explain why your newer Overthinker episodes are framed in such a way like if you were expecting a new audience, because you knew your fans are loooooooooong gone :D

I'm kinda with Bob on the whole ME3 ending mess. People really just need to get over it. so a game had a shitty ending, so fucking what. stop acting like this is new or some how worthy of note just cause it was a 3 part game series, cause its not.

Games have had good and bad endings for as long as there have been video games with a plot. ME3's ending is in no way more note worth then Valkyrie Profile's ending A (which was great till i actually killed Loki)

Lunar Templar:

I'm kinda with Bob on the whole ME3 ending mess. People really just need to get over it. so a game had a shitty ending, so fucking what. stop acting like this is new or some how worthy of note just cause it was a 3 part game series, cause its not.

Games have had good and bad endings for as long as there have been video games with a plot. ME3's ending is in no way more note worth then Valkyrie Profile's ending A (which was great till i actually killed Loki)

So is there like a time limit for how long I can complain for?

''stop acting like this is new or some how worthy of note just cause it was a 3 part game series, cause its not.''
The most important part of mass effect is the story (& characters). The plot. The pay off. So the story issue is more worthy here then lets say COD, dishonoured or even Deus ex & skyrim

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