Most Boring Opinions in Geek Culture - Part II

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5. Fratboy "bro" gamers ruined gaming.

YOU made a "villain" in your show that is a fratboy gamer. Way to be a hypocrite I suppose??

3. Manga is superior to Western comics because its stories have endings.

As someone who reads both, you're wrong. Western comics also start the same story over and over again if they're old enough. But even then manga still ends.

After reading both articles and their threads, I've come to the conclusion that it's not really the opinions in geek culture that are boring. It's geek culture itself. Our obsession over minute detail of things that ultimately don't matter, our overreactions, our victim complex. It all makes sense now.

To society at large, WE are boring people.

Casual Shinji:
As long as these "boring" opinions keep finding ample grounds to be based on, I don't see any reason to stop mentioning them from time to time.

And I guess our ego's defenses have recently evolved from saying 'your opinion is wrong' to 'your opinion is boring'.

When you don't agree with someone but you know they're probably right your only recourse is to call their opinion boring. Interestingly enough, I can't get this thought outta my head, so I made an image...

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Strazdas:

Therumancer:

Strazdas:
13. Casual gamers have ruined gaming.

ill comment anyway. casual gamers havent ruined gaming. game companies pandering out for casual gamers and going from their niche market full of fans to casual market just because "its on the rise" has ruined gaming companies. not all companies went there, and i respect them to sticking to their fans. and i realize the need for new IP experiments, but that does not mean going from harcore RTS to farmville like in a day.

Well the issue as I see it is greed, pure and simple. Companies are not content to make a fair profit for a good product, they want the most monsterous profits possible for the least amount of effort. Some will argue that business has always been this way, but truthfully I don't think it has been as bad, within so many differant industries. When it comes to gaming I think a lot of people can actually see the change in attitude, espcially if they have been following gaming and the companies/creators for a couple of decades.

A recent example I think would be Funcom. "The Secret World" launched earlier this year, and was heavily promoted as a niche game, aimed at a crowd of fairly hardcore, mature gamers. It was going to include some adult elements, and a pretty hard core difficulty curve. A lot of people were drawn to this game because it wasn't a game that was making pretensions of being a WoW-killer or trying to cater to a mainstream audience. I supported it early on with a lifetime membership because I liked their attitude.

When "The Secret World" launched the massive QQing was immediate. It turns out they were lying and all of their hype about a niche game and all of that was just marketing, they were expecting this blockbuster success. Much like they expected Age Of Conan to be when it launched. Needless to say their quirky, mature, modern fantasy/horror game didn't suck in the masses so it was a failure. Layoffs hit, the game went free to play, and while it's been slowly expanding, the future of the game is in doubt. Apparently Funcom wants to move from MMOs to more casual products, I think I read something (maybe on The Escapist) about them picking up a Lego liscence for quick cash.

It basically goes to show that nobody is willing to accept what is simply a decent success, and make their profits slowly. Claiming that is simply another marketing tool nowadays. You either play big, or you don't play at all. The money isn't rolling in like planned, quick make your MMO a FTP cash vampire, a couple of titles don't break sales expectations, terminate the company and layoff the staff.

I think it's the casuals that brought in these expectations, due to things like Farmville, and franchises like "Call OF Duty" (which is a casual game, despite pretensions of it being hardcore, it just caters to a differant style of casuals than Farmville). No niche game is ever going to perform as well as one you can get just about anyone playing with minimal effort, all those rude kids in CoD are paying customers, as are a lot of those "cow clickers" when they grow impatient.

This is how I see things at any rate. The casuals aren't a blight just because they want simpler games and things that are approchable. They are a blight because that's all anyone wants to make because of the potential profit. Arguements about how "why hate the casuals, if there are games made for everyone" when really, that's increasingly not the case since nobody is content with a niche game, for a niche audience, and simply making a decent profit. That might be how business has always been as some will say, but if that's true it still brings it right back down onto the casuals for creating the problem that is moving business on to cater to them esclusively. For the moment Funcom, a fairly serious MMO developer, has gone casual simply because there isn't enough money in developing serious MMOs. They aren't likely to have another epic MMO ready in a few years from the sound of things, and this general trend exists for a lot fo companies, the developers aiming at serious gamers are disappearing, and those who were concerned called this trend a long time away, it just didn't seem to be as big a deal until it started to get closer.

I also don't think "Indie" games are the answer, to be blunt there is only so much that can be done with an indie budget and skill level. Your serious gamer wants his AAA technology, bells, and whistles combined with his demands for deep, smart, gameplay that is likely to make a casual go into brain aneurisms. Some indie developer coughing out a solid little RPG with his modest abillities does not equal say "Dragon Age: Origins", "Skyrim", or what games like "Wizardry" and "Ultima" were to their platforms when they were new (OMG, I'll need a 386 to play Ultima 7!). Likewise on an MMO scale unreasonable expectations for fast returns means that rapidly we're going to see nothing but Pay 2 Win cash vampires that are far more modest than "The Secret World" in their basic content, never mind approaching what we saw attempted wiht "ToR" or what WoW turned into, all because nobody is willing to accept anything but mountains of cash at their feet, right then and there, which catering to casuals can get them.

extremely well said. do you mind if i quote you on this when occasion comes?

Not at all, feel free to borrow from what I've said any time you want. :)

Movie Bob had worn so thin on me, I had mostly stopped watching his work.

I was bored the other night and watched his "most boring opinions". I found it not only pompous, but petty and mean-spirited. It's like something I would write if I was angry and drunk.

My new years resolution is to ignore him for good, from now on. I would have placed Movie Bob and obligatory pointless end-of-the-year lists, as number one and two on the list, respectively.

Aiddon:
10. Moore had the unfortunate luck of being in one of the stupidest eras of James Bond which included some of the WORST movies of the series. Poor bastard

This, so much this. the 70s was a horrible time for Bond. Diamonds are Forever is easily the worst Connery Bond movie, Live and Let Die felt more like a Blaxploitation movie with James Bond sloppily written in. The Man With the Golden Gun takes a potentially interesting premise for a Bond film and manages to fuck it up even with Christopher Lee playing the villain which I suppose is an admirable achievement though it doesn't make the movie any better. The Spy who Loved me was the decade's only saving grace for the franchise. And Moonraker is the movie that I'll hold up as the worst James Bond movie in the entire series. One of the worst examples of a hastily-made cash-in sequel to ride the coattails of Star Wars' success, recycling the previous movie's script in space and turning one of the series' most iconic characters into a walking punchline.

That said, if I had to choose I'd probably put Moore last in the line of actors to play James Bond because he's the only one that didn't really seem to fit the character. I would call him the "least good" rather than worst though. "Worst" would imply that I didn't like him at all, which is not true since I still like a higher percentage of his Bond movies than any other outside of George Lazenby and Sean Connery. And even then, the only Bond movie that was bad because of the actor portraying the spy was Diamonds are Forever, the rest of the bad Bond movies were bad due to other factors.

Who would argue that Pierce Brosnan was a worse Bond than Roger Moore or Dalton? I'm partly biased since I grew up in the "Brosnan Era" of Bond... but really? I thought Brosnan was the BEST Bond, at least on par with Sean Connery. He nails the suave badass act perfectly.

Legion:

Bhaalspawn:

No publishers are not nickle and diming you. You just want all the extra content for free, and that's NOT going to happen. No they are not breaking their promises. They are not out to deceive you. The world of game design is a complicated thing, where anything can change, and words are interpreted differently by developers and their dipshit fans.

You seem to be implying that we should be grateful for what we get, no matter what that is. You mention supply and demand, but then call people out for their demands.

If a game developer releases a game and charges people extra for DLC, and people pay for it, you call it supply and demand.

If a game developer releases a game and charges people extra for DLC, and people do not think that the game warrants the price tag, you call it whining and entitlement.

And yes, game developers are breaking promises, because when a product is advertised as having a feature, and the final product does not have that feature, then that is false advertising.

Just like The War Z. Or are the people pissed off with that being whiny and entitled? That the game claimed to have features not ready to be released yet?

The people demanding that Bioware give out free DLC as "an apology for the ending" are being whiny and entitled. The people claiming to never buy another Bioware game because of the appalling handling of the series are merely taking their "demand" elsewhere, voicing their opinion of it does not make them entitled.

I think this video summarices how stupid the whole industry is when dealing with the audience:

Some call me a Conspiracy Theorist, i prefer to be called "Properly Paranoid". Years of exposure to Batman has taught me well.

Redd the Sock:

Actually he killed him off again in the next episode. He's doing an homage to (ripping off) DBZ and that was the use of the Freeza / Cell transition right down to himself cosplaying Trunks.

Though I'll agree with the larger rant: at least a few of these list items are things he's egged on and only seems bored once the conversation doesn't totaly shift his way. He has several shows to start more unique conversations, then reads the wiki page on supergirl and lists bad B movies instead. Seems he could be doing a lot better.

I saw the episode, and it seems that Bob couldnt resist making Anti-Thinker a "ME3 retaker/ranter". Because, as you know, only BRO people play that game, ama right?

Or was the retarded adverticements of EA who convinced him of that? So he doesnt fall for the Dead Space adverticement but he does for Mass Effect 3?? or he is just ignoring it just to drive his point?

Honestly, I think the argument can be made that Pierce Brosnan was the worst in some respects.

How dare you. HOW DARE YOU.

Therumancer:

I also don't think "Indie" games are the answer, to be blunt there is only so much that can be done with an indie budget and skill level. Your serious gamer wants his AAA technology, bells, and whistles combined with his demands for deep, smart, gameplay that is likely to make a casual go into brain aneurisms. Some indie developer coughing out a solid little RPG with his modest abillities does not equal say "Dragon Age: Origins", "Skyrim", or what games like "Wizardry" and "Ultima" were to their platforms when they were new (OMG, I'll need a 386 to play Ultima 7!).

as much as it pains me to agree with you (and oh god does it bring me pain) I am actually glad SOMONE ackowleged this

I play games for a certain kind of experience, one that alot of "indie" titles just don't deliver, and its not about being a graphics whore eather. I'm sorry but I'm not planning to buy a good gaming PC just so I can play somthing that could run on a friggen phone

I never thought I'd see the day when one of these escapist articles just becomes non stop bitching. It's just so boring.

Even single entry fails to be entertaining or interesting if you don't care about the issue. This is just a really really weak article.

OtherSideofSky:
3.

No, not really. That's actually terribly ignorant of you.

I realize you're a bit limited by language, but it might be a good idea for you to recognize that the majority of the most influential, defining, and interesting works in the history of Japanese comics have never been, and most likely will never be, translated into the English language or released outside of Japan.

I like English-language comics as much as the next guy, but the Japanese titles I'm reading right now include a beautifully illustrated biography of Cesare Borgia, a procedural drama about a folklorist conducting anthropological research and far-flung regions of the globe, an episodic detective story, an action-packed drama about a crazy woman seeking revenge against Genghis Khan and his armies for the murder of her people, and several collections of Moto Hagio's work from the 70s and 80s, including some excellent Ray Bradbury adaptations (but you'd never talk about anything like that, because discussing mainstream comics by successful female creators dealing with social and gender issues far more intelligently than most contemporary works which laud themselves on their maturity is so much less fun than than wagging your finger at crutches for bad pulp writers). If you're seeing the same story over and over again, it says a lot more about what you're choosing to look at than it does about what's out there.

I don't want to watch/read those "most influential" of animes/mangas because they are in Japanese. It's hardly wrong to prefer the English language now, is it?

vgmaster831:

OtherSideofSky:
3.

No, not really. That's actually terribly ignorant of you.

I realize you're a bit limited by language, but it might be a good idea for you to recognize that the majority of the most influential, defining, and interesting works in the history of Japanese comics have never been, and most likely will never be, translated into the English language or released outside of Japan.

I like English-language comics as much as the next guy, but the Japanese titles I'm reading right now include a beautifully illustrated biography of Cesare Borgia, a procedural drama about a folklorist conducting anthropological research and far-flung regions of the globe, an episodic detective story, an action-packed drama about a crazy woman seeking revenge against Genghis Khan and his armies for the murder of her people, and several collections of Moto Hagio's work from the 70s and 80s, including some excellent Ray Bradbury adaptations (but you'd never talk about anything like that, because discussing mainstream comics by successful female creators dealing with social and gender issues far more intelligently than most contemporary works which laud themselves on their maturity is so much less fun than than wagging your finger at crutches for bad pulp writers). If you're seeing the same story over and over again, it says a lot more about what you're choosing to look at than it does about what's out there.

I don't want to watch/read those "most influential" of animes/mangas because they are in Japanese. It's hardly wrong to prefer the English language now, is it?

There's nothing wrong with not reading them or with not reading Japanese, but there is something wrong with someone who has not done even that basic level of research making sweeping claims like the one to which I refer. I'd be willing to bet that Bob doesn't even know that the reason so much of what he's looking at seems like the same story repeated is the enormous degree of influence editors in the major shounen anthologies, and especially Jump, have over the content and progression of stories running in said anthologies (just another reason not to read them, in my opinion).

j-e-f-f-e-r-s:
I normally agree with Bob on a lot of stuff, but having just finished this article, all I can think is...

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Bob, you make your living doing nothing but offering your personal opinion on various facets of nerd and pop culture. People enjoy it. I enjoy it. When you did that Heavens To Metroid episode of the Overthinker, I actually really dug your arguments. But this article just seems like you criticising people for doing much the same thing as you do. Did we really need a two-parter about how Sucker Punch is apparently brilliant (even though it's really just an inferior version of Brazil)? Not really. That was just your opinion.

Given how much you like to restate in your videos your opinion that The Expendables and Transformers are both terrible movies, I really don't think you're in much of a position to go round criticising other people for doing much the same. Not saying I don't enjoy what you do, because I do. But, y'know, why not just content yourself to throw out criticism from your little part of the pop-culture sphere, and allow others to do so from theirs?

Judging from some of his comments in his article, I think he already knows this quite well.

This isn't informative.
This isn't entertaining.
This is just a man bitching about stuff other people bitch about.

Bob is literally getting paid to make lists venting his frustrations!

How did he manage to do that?!
(Seriously, I want to know, 'cause I want in on that!)

Mocking aside, there's only one thing on the list I have a problem with (or that I actually cared enough about to fully read):
3. Manga is superior to Western comics because its stories have endings.

Western comics don't have endings? What the hell! There are tons of western comics that had endings! Children Of The Salamander. Dragons. Roxalane. The Inn At The End Of The World. The original In Search Of The Time Bird - hell, pretty much every comic from the Collection Charlie or Collection Pilote: Mark Of The Witch, Beatifica, Tristan, ...

Oh.
Wait.
You're talking about those monthly U.S. comics aren't you? Right. Superman, Spiderman, X-Men, all that crap? Right.
Because the term "Western" equals U.S.A.
Sorry, forgot about that.

And even then, aren't there U.S. comics with endings?
I think Alan Moore wrote a few.
Or are we really doing the whole "graphic novels aren't comics"-shtick?

If you think Moore was the worst Bond, I got 2 words for ya... George Lazenby!

Sheesh! There's a lot of unhappy campers here!

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Feel better?

OT: There's a lot of opinions that are indeed boring and that they indeed need to stop. Others are boring, but people will defend them nonetheless.

Vault101:

Therumancer:

I also don't think "Indie" games are the answer, to be blunt there is only so much that can be done with an indie budget and skill level. Your serious gamer wants his AAA technology, bells, and whistles combined with his demands for deep, smart, gameplay that is likely to make a casual go into brain aneurisms. Some indie developer coughing out a solid little RPG with his modest abillities does not equal say "Dragon Age: Origins", "Skyrim", or what games like "Wizardry" and "Ultima" were to their platforms when they were new (OMG, I'll need a 386 to play Ultima 7!).

as much as it pains me to agree with you (and oh god does it bring me pain) I am actually glad SOMONE ackowleged this

I play games for a certain kind of experience, one that alot of "indie" titles just don't deliver, and its not about being a graphics whore eather. I'm sorry but I'm not planning to buy a good gaming PC just so I can play somthing that could run on a friggen phone

Don't worry about it, I get this a surprising amount here. Just because we're not likely to ever get along on politics or social issues doesn't mean we're not going to agree when it comes to games themselves, which is the primary reason we're all on these forums. :)

Archer666:
5. Fratboy "bro" gamers ruined gaming.

YOU made a "villain" in your show that is a fratboy gamer. Way to be a hypocrite I suppose??

3. Manga is superior to Western comics because its stories have endings.

As someone who reads both, you're wrong. Western comics also start the same story over and over again if they're old enough. But even then manga still ends.

A good point actually, especially seeing as we continiously see reboots and re-imaginings of well known super heroes. I mean we just had "Ultimate Spider Man" killed and rebooted into a hispanic not too long ago. DC has pretty much rebooted it's continuity what... 5 times now? The DC/Wildstorm universe (my personal favorite) was pretty much discontinued, and a few of it's characters re-launched into the "new" version of the main DC universe.

Ultimatly Manga seems to mostly be differant in that it rarely involves any kind of shared universe continuity. As a result when it reboots, it's not as big a deal, since you don't have to worry about how it all relates to the rest of the universe and continuity. To be honest I'm not sure if Japan even has any kind of large scale DC/Marvel shared universe... there have been crossovers, but nothing quite like this.

As far as the frat boy gamer goes, I'll give Bob a few points here again actually. I think he recanted that on "Game Overthinker" at one point, having a "war" with the Retrothinker over a lot of his changing perspectives. Other than his politics which are fairly consistant, a few of Bob's contridictions over the years have gotten me to wonder how much of his personal is genuine opinion, and how much is driven by his need to support his various shows by appealing to as much traffic as possible. In this case however I think he did kind of cover himself.

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