Jimquisition: Only The Lonely

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It's not only that but the fact that multiplayer is nowadays exclusively online, basically rendering some games entirely useless if you don't have internet connection or don't have that bullshit xbox live gold subscription that will hold your multiplayer exclusive games hostage if you don't keep paying.

Why do we even need to justify our desire to play alone, for ANY reason?

I know I sure as hell don't want to be playing with other people over the Internet where the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory always comes into play. You know where Chungous McChungous or whatever has absolutely no social filter whatsoever. Yeah, I'll pass on that Games Industry, thank you.

Wow people are butthurt easily! I am a Christian, but I've never been offended by this show or his outros. Some people just want the world to be P.C.

Anyway, great episode and I totally agree. I'm tired of seeing MP shoved down our throats. It always makes me cringe when a game like Dead Space or Bioshock gets multiplayer.

Yo Jim did I see me a goblinfish in this video?

What was the intent of inserting the brief flashes of that creature during the segment about Ocean Quigley's statement? If this is obvious to everyone else, please forgive me; a lot tends to fly over my head since I turned 40 and the world stopped talking to me. I just couldn't figure out how that creature fit in given the context of the audio, nor why the images were flashed so briefly and repeatedly. If anyone could please explain, I'd be ever so grateful!

As for the actual topic, I too share an appreciate for the seclusion of single-player gaming and do my best to encourage developers by buying games that reportedly contain strong single-player experiences.

That doesn't mean I don't like multiplayer on occasion; in fact, I'm quite enjoying Big Team Infinity Slayer in Halo 4. My wife and I used to relive our arcade glory days spending many a weekend playing Gauntlet together on the original XBox. Maybe it's just me, but I prefer my online multiplayer to be competitive, while reserving co-op to "the couch". Something about online co-op just never sat right with me - probably for many, if not all, the reasons expressed in the video and elsewhere in this thread.

Austin Mcgough:
Yo Jim did I see me a goblinfish in this video?

Is that what that thing was?

While I have problems with Maxis and EA forcing multiplayer (how "forced" it is is the question; can I reject everybody who tries to become neighbours? Can I build the "great projects" or whatever they are without help from others?) basically as a way of justifying DRM, I am intrigued by the multiplayer in the new Sim City.

I've always thought the city building social games on Facebook et al. could be quite interesting if they got rid of the game lengthening grind, the skinner boxes, and the micro-transactions. The idea that I could concentrate on one particular industry and have to go onto the open market to get commodities from another is compelling. Also being affected by a neighbours pollution, and co-operating on buildings are interesting mechanics.

I can't imagine that Sim City will "force" you to interact with the people that make up you neighbours, it's not like if they forced co-op in Skyrim and you forced to cohabitate with other Dragonborn who would most likely be constantly trolling you.

I do have a problem with forced co-op al la F.3.A.R., which was obstinately a single player horror game for the previous instalments and playing with a friend completely destroys any sense of atmosphere and horror a game can provide. But thats not to say that survival horror cannot be coop, DayZ is one of the most terrifying games I have played with the other players being at best untrustworthy and at worst,... well. Let's say I've never experienced fear like running out of STANAG ammo and hiding in a corner of a dark building with a shitty revolver like I have in that game.

I agree but I hate the language he uses. Single player games aren't about wanting to be lonely. They are about enjoying time with yourself. Lonely is a negative word. It means sad because one has no friends or company, or without companions. Neither of these things are descriptive of my single player experience. I do not feel alone or without anyone when I play a single player time. I am always with myself and I'm an optimistic son of a bitch. Wanting to play single player is not the same thing as shunning social interaction. Also, it's fair to say that Multiplayer games are not social interaction. Part of being social is accepting social responsibility for yourself and actions. All Multiplayer games do is give people the anonymity to to ruin someone else's game if they so choose to, what a social boon that is. Furthermore, as a social creature I like cooperation. All people benefit from cooperation. That is why I actively avoid DayZ. It seems made around griefing and in my experience with that game, that is mostly what people do. With anonymity, there is no social irresponsibility, and by extension no true social experience.

Also, yay atheism? Haha, sometimes people just seem so immature. I'm not talking about Jim on this one, but all the commentators. I know what I'm getting into when I watch a Jim show, I expect that equally ugly religion of Atheism to rear it's head. But I don't know why those parts are the central parts of some peoples comments on this thread.

Maddhaus:

Austin Mcgough:
Yo Jim did I see me a goblinfish in this video?

Is that what that thing was?

Jim has a tendancy to drop photos of hideous-looking sealife, most notably Goblin sharks and shrimp, whenever illustrating a point about how wrong/stupid/amoral someone in the game industry is.

Captcha: Never quit.

Yes, captcha, I too hope Jim never stops with the hideous sealife...

I would say the thing that upset me the most about the Diablo III fiasco was the accusation that I had been playing Diablo II completely wrong, and that I hadn't really had fun with all the hours I had put into the game by myself. Note this didn't only come from those statements Blizzard made, but I had conversations at the time on this forum defending my singleplayer experience and the fact that I had fun.

Multiplayer has its place, and I do enjoy teaming up with my friends to play some World of Tanks, MechWarrior Online (when the game isn't booting me or crashing for no apparent reason), even the odd Minecraft session. These games tend to be multiplayer only game, though. But when it come to games like Borderlands, Diablo, Torchlight, I don't enjoy playing those sort of games with my friends so much because you can't really concentrate on the story and the narrative. When we play together, it's to kill shit and speed run, and I tend to hold them back trying to read the story stuff.

Also I notice that I prefer playing with my friends, as in people I actually know outside of the internet. Talking to strangers isn't something I'm very good at.

Not sure where I'm actually heading with this, I think I'm overall agreeing that jimmying multiplayer into everything in not always desirable. Sometimes (especially when there is a story involved) I just want to experience it by myself. In regards to SimCity, I am OK with there being a multiplayer aspect to it. I think me and my friends would have fun with our own server. But the fact that multiplayer is the only way to play annoys me.

Zachary Amaranth:
Why do we even need to justify our desire to play alone, for ANY reason?

Um...well, you see...reasons...I think...?

OT: I play games alone A LOT, and it's not because I don't have any friends to play games with, but it's mainly because I want to experience a game and what it has without someone taking me out of it.

Plus when I play games, most of the time, I want to be left along and decompress after a long day.

I don't see how that's hard to understand for some people (not you quoted person, you're cool).

Yeah just imagine sitting down to read an eagerly awaited new book like the finale of the Wheel of Time or the next A Song of Fire and Ice installment (hopefully before my hair turns grey) and having tweets and facebook comments popping up beside the text.

In other words these publishers can go screw themselves, let multiplayer be multiplayer and single player be single player. I'm not going to go to a movie theater alone, but I'm also not going to read a book in a group.

When developers create a well crafted world, with well developed characters, there's no need for multiplayer. Take Mass Effect for example: I absolutely adore the cast, I don't need a real life chum to share the experience with me, because I enjoy spending time with these artificially created companions.

I'm going to skip right over Jim's cheeky non stop war on GOD.

A lonely argument in gaming on a forum feels counter productive because it's a place we come to gather to talk about games as a mass.

Personally I've been playing d3 and generally I like party play over single player. it forces you to go longer then by your own sorry ass.

Yeah, pretty much summed up my thoughts. These days I don't buy games unless they have a single player experience, as I'm not going to arbitrarily play with some idiot online because the devs thought it might be funny to watch some guy jumping around like a retard because he can.
I actively make up excuses and avoid playing with my friends a lot of the time because, generally, I'll have just spent a whole day around them, and don't want to spend more time with them when I could just sit down and do what I want instead.

Jim you Blasphemous SOB, I love you.

Good on you. Dont change because anyone thinks you should. You are a very opinionated person, and thats good because too many people give in to popular demand. I love watching your videos not because your trolling everyone, but because your honest.
I wish you the best.

I think you're either missing the point of his statement or you're ignoring it.

He doesn't have a clue (or care that much) if multiplayer is good for his game or not, he's been told to put it in there because of EA, or he can't make the game, and now he's trying to justify it. The same way Bioware did with Mass Effect 3.

Exacerbated point still stands though I think. Some games benefit from being singleplayer (like horror games). The same way some games benefit from being multiplayer (like the FPS).

I prefer single player gaming.

In single player, when I die, I don't have to hear 100 different variations of how much I suck.

In single player, I don't have to explain to anyone why I just used my strongest weapon against my weakest enemies.

In single player, I don't have someone asking me if I sleep with men.

In single player, NPC's don't hack the game and cheat.

In single player, I don't get kicked out of the first 3 games I try to join.

In single player, I don't get tempted by friend requests from teenage girls.

In single player, I don't get spawn-camped.

In single player, I'm never made aware that my mom was a man mattress and my real father was the plumber.

Thank god for you.

Moth_Monk:
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mike1921:
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I really can't wrap my head around the idea that you honestly think that calling 90% of the world's population idiots for not thinking the exact same way as you is a good idea and something that shouldn't be frowned on.

The moral? Calm down. Seriously.

why can't the industry people stop treating us like were stupid

because heres thing..

SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTIPLAYER ARE DIFFERENCT EXPEREINCES

did I just blow your fucking mind marketing people? I'm sick to death of EA and the like acting as if cramming multiplayer is going to somhow make a game better (it doesnt) or that it is an upgrade of single player (it isnt) do you think I had more fun playing borderlands 2 while somone was teabagging lillith?

CardinalPiggles:

Exacerbated point still stands though I think. Some games benefit from being singleplayer (like horror games). The same way some games benefit from being multiplayer (like the FPS).

why does a FPS have to have mutliplayer? first person perepctive is a good environemnt/story telling tool..mabye the devs focus was elsewhere?

Vault101:

CardinalPiggles:

Exacerbated point still stands though I think. Some games benefit from being singleplayer (like horror games). The same way some games benefit from being multiplayer (like the FPS).

why does a FPS have to have mutliplayer? first person perepctive is a good environemnt/story telling tool..mabye the devs focus was elsewhere?

I never said an FPS has to have multiplayer. I said some FPS games benefit from having multiplayer. I agree that the first person perspective is good for projecting the player onto that character though (like Skyrim). Whereas games like Call of Duty and Battlefield (first person shooters) are marred with ridiculously linear and heavily scripted singleplayer and only shine in their multiplayer aspects because the shooting mechanics are so great.

Vault101:
why can't the industry people stop treating us like were stupid

because heres thing..

SINGLE PLAYER AND MULTIPLAYER ARE DIFFERENCT EXPEREINCES

did I just blow your fucking mind marketing people? I'm sick to death of EA and the like acting as if cramming multiplayer is going to somhow make a game better (it doesnt) or that it is an upgrade of single player (it isnt) do you think I had more fun playing borderlands 2 while somone was teabagging lillith?

For some it is. I don't really mind co-op and multiplayer in games because they provide options, different strokes for different folks. What I mind is multiplayer modes and co-op modes where the devs clearly didn't give a shit (Spec Ops the Line and Bioshock 2)

Fiz_The_Toaster:

Um...well, you see...reasons...I think...?

That's the impression that I get.

OT: I play games alone A LOT, and it's not because I don't have any friends to play games with, but it's mainly because I want to experience a game and what it has without someone taking me out of it.

Plus when I play games, most of the time, I want to be left along and decompress after a long day.

I don't see how that's hard to understand for some people (not you quoted person, you're cool).

I personally like it both ways. Hell, a lot of games I will do alone AND with people. I have multiple solo AND co-op characters for Borderlands 2, Saints Rows 2 and 3, (sort of) Red Dead Redemption, and probably a ton of games that will occur to me after I hit "post." I am a social gamer, but only to a point. It can be both fun to shoot things up with friends and to backstab alone for me. For most games, I tend towards the solo thing, though. Part of that is ease of play (easier to boot up your own console, rather than waiting around for people), but a lot of it is just that I like the solo experience as well.

And there should be no shame in playing alone.

Of course I thank God for Jimquisition, I thank God each day for pretty much anything that gives me joy. And anyone that doesn't give God credit for unlikely chain of events, the thermodynamic miracle, that lead to this show being made and placed us in the time and place necessary to witness the spectacle; well, they are really selling God short.

By the way Jim, through my own prays thanking God for you, I believe the reply I am getting is: "You're welcome."

Zachary Amaranth:

Fiz_The_Toaster:
OT: I play games alone A LOT, and it's not because I don't have any friends to play games with, but it's mainly because I want to experience a game and what it has without someone taking me out of it.

Plus when I play games, most of the time, I want to be left along and decompress after a long day.

I don't see how that's hard to understand for some people (not you quoted person, you're cool).

I personally like it both ways. Hell, a lot of games I will do alone AND with people. I have multiple solo AND co-op characters for Borderlands 2, Saints Rows 2 and 3, (sort of) Red Dead Redemption, and probably a ton of games that will occur to me after I hit "post." I am a social gamer, but only to a point. It can be both fun to shoot things up with friends and to backstab alone for me. For most games, I tend towards the solo thing, though. Part of that is ease of play (easier to boot up your own console, rather than waiting around for people), but a lot of it is just that I like the solo experience as well.

And there should be no shame in playing alone.

I've played multiplayer only a handful of times and that was with AC: Brotherhood and Revelations, and those were brief encounters. I just get bored with multiplayer after a while, and I don't find it fun. I don't really know why, but it might have to do with how repetitive it can get and that it's so emphasized in games that it just appeal to me. :/

I have played co-op a few times and am right in the middle of one with Borderlands 2 and I do think that's a lot of fun, and I just think I got lucky of who this random stranger is I'm playing with. I don't get a chance to play with friends because I either don't play the game they want to do co-op with or it's on a system I don't own, but the times I do get to I have a blast.

I'm mainly an RPG player so I prefer to play alone and not have someone with me while I play. I guess I'm just so used to playing games by myself for so long that it doesn't bother me and I find that stance of how it's a shame if you play alone to be ridiculous. And like you said, there should be no shame in playing alone, and especially if the game is better for single player.

I don't advocate necessarily for Religion, I advocate against bashing it just as I advocate against bashing atheism but it seems like I'll always be a minority.

Anyways I agree full-board with you, although I find that although I'm religious, I'm against the bible-beaters on this one, no question. Ironic or humourous blasphemy isn't bad, or at least as bad as they say it is, as I believe God has a sense of humour, if you view it from my stand-point there's little else to explain the existence of irony. Plus if its an atheist doing it it's also not real blasphemy because blasphemy can not occur within their frame of mind, as there is no one to offend with those jokes but sensitive believer. Anyways, Jim I defend your right to make your jokes, so please don't rope me and others like me in with the other prudes, alright?

I'm a Christian and I am not offended by all when Jim says "Thank God for me". Because it's not offensive to begin with. He's not bashing religion or anything over the top. So by all means, feel free to say that Jim for it's your thing anyways.

OT: Same can be said as before. Everyone feels like multiplayer is the new deal for games, but Skyrim sold millions of copies within the week and rated #1 RPG (not sure how people feel about it now, but it's getting love again for it's recent Dragonborn DLC). I too, cherish loneliness for I feel important in the world that gets altered by me. I don't want to see an epic boss fight get ruined because a guy comes in and steal kills it, then taunts me along with taking the best gun ... .. that happened in Borderlands 2. I was highly upset but just decided to take my mic off was all.

Jim's videos may not always appeal to me as important, but the points he makes at times are spot on perfect examples of what he's trying to get at.

I like to think that Jesus sits in a leather chair in heaven, watching Jim on a TV and laughing his head off.

...

Also, You are bloody right. Sometimes, I just wanna be alone... in fact, it would be closer to the truth to say 'sometimes i just wanna interact with people'.

Fortunately, from the looks of it, you have the option to close your city's region off and play alone.

It's funny how social people can't get that some of us like some solo time. General issues with multiplayer aside (tech issues, gamer imbalance) I like the alone time. I deal with people all day, and most of those encounters are people that can't solve their own problem, create problems for me, and show no gratitude for the former or remorse for the latter (it's office administration: all the stupid people of tech support with the penalty of they don't go away). I game to get away from hem and spend some time in a world I control. where my success and failures are my own, and I don't have to deal with people that can't do a google search, read a help file, or remember what I told them last time they had the same problem.

It's like when school sees a loner bookworm and decides to shove them into some extra curricular sport, not getting that that was the kind of activity the loner was trying to avoid. I don't need multiplayer to game with friends. I've spent a lot of hours players while a friend watches, helps and comments, or just chats, and hours doing the same while another plays, or no one playing and just talking about games. I get they want to sell more controllers, systems, disks, and the like, but socil doesn't mean we all have to be playing at the same time.

Okay Jim does realize that Maxis was bought by EA and that this was just their stupid, and contrived reasoning behind including DRM in the game right?

He does get that right?

Well done, the first one I like. You keep getting better, but by your intro you were already there. You just waited till now to show that to others.

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