The Uncertain Future

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The Uncertain Future

There's several big films coming out in 2013, and they all face big problems.

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I reckon Iron Man is the safest of those. Robert Downey Jr. cruising his part would still be a reliable crowd-puller. But I guess even if the 3rd is a hit it's still go to show that there's places for the 4th one to go. An Iron Man film that does everything right would be so good, the characters are all there, it's just the plot has never clicked.

I really want Superman to be good and I'm not the sort of person who cares about Superman normally. But there's so much potential for it to go wrong.

BrotherRool:
I reckon Iron Man is the safest of those. Robert Downey Jr. cruising his part would still be a reliable crowd-puller. But I guess even if the 3rd is a hit it's still go to show that there's places for the 4th one to go. An Iron Man film that does everything right would be so good, the characters are all there, it's just the plot has never clicked.

I really want Superman to be good and I'm not the sort of person who cares about Superman normally. But there's so much potential for it to go wrong.

Yeah, I'm guessing Iron Man 3 will be pretty awesome. The biggest weakness of the first two films is that Robert Downey Jr. had to carry the entire movie on his own since there was no strong villain to help prop the movie up. Now we get the fucking Mandarin. Yeah, I'm not too worried about that one.

I'm still pissed about At the Mountains of Madness.

I was REALLY looking forward to that.

I thought Pacific Rim was based off of the Monsterpocalypse board game licence? There's certainly A studio that bought the right to it about two/three years ago which'd fit in with Pacific Rim hitting cinemas soon.

Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

I don't see good things for Superman... As a character he has always been to much of a perfect boy scout, an uninteresting do gooder who's only internal conflict is I'm the only one of my kind. The interesting parts of Superman is the world he lives in, it's always full of real problems of the day and conflicts with over the top villains that for Superman to ponder what good can a punch to the face really do a the end of the day. In the expanded DC universe he's mainly just there as the guy to be wholly than thou and the go to for when you need someone punched in the face.

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

I think it basically is... only with 99.9% less mind fuckery.

Which I think stands as a plus.

WanderingFool:

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

I think it basically is... only with 99.9% less mind fuckery.

Which I think stands as a plus.

This is the only one of Bob's that will actually surprise me if it DOESN"T bomb. This guy has only really blown my mind once: "Pan's Labyrinth".

Artemis923:
I'm still pissed about At the Mountains of Madness.

I was REALLY looking forward to that.

Yes, so am I... And so was Guillermo, that was a bit of a passion project for him.

However, if you still want to see At the Mountains of Madness, go see Pacific Rim! If it's a success, perhaps At the Mountains of Madness will get back on track again... That's basically how he got Hellboy made (Blade 2 gave him the clout to finally get the go ahead from the studio).

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

Seriously? You did not just say that... If anything, Pacific Rim is a Western reimagining of the Godzilla/Toho style films. There will be no emotionally vapid fantasy girl clone or emo boys doing unmentionable things over the comatose body of their fellow pilot in this. Just lots of hot giant robot on giant monster action!

So, Pacific Rim is essentially a live-action version of those old mecha anime like Mazinger Z?

I'm so going to watch that, just to see if it works.

And because giant robots. And because GladOS is in it. Also, giant robots.

newwiseman:
I don't see good things for Superman... As a character he has always been to much of a perfect boy scout, an uninteresting do gooder who's only internal conflict is I'm the only one of my kind. The interesting parts of Superman is the world he lives in, it's always full of real problems of the day and conflicts with over the top villains that for Superman to ponder what good can a punch to the face really do a the end of the day. In the expanded DC universe he's mainly just there as the guy to be wholly than thou and the go to for when you need someone punched in the face.

I think that this one is going to do well, because it looks like they are finally trying to give us the last part of the "Great Superhero Trilogy" that we need.
Part 1: Set-up, the hero is introduced (The Christopher Reeve original)
Part 2: The hero rejects his power to be normal, then recovers it when it is clear they have a responsibility (Superman II)
Part 3: The hero goes evil; they have to deal with the fact that they are always separate from humanity, they will never be truly accepted, unless they make the world accept them. (Man of Steel)

Superman is the best person to explore this idea with, because everyone is familiar with him, and the character has the power to literally conquer the world, and is only held back by his moral code. I know the "gritty darkness" of this one seems off-putting to some people, but I think it's still the best chance we have to explore the idea.

Doctor Proctor:

Artemis923:
I'm still pissed about At the Mountains of Madness.

I was REALLY looking forward to that.

Yes, so am I... And so was Guillermo, that was a bit of a passion project for him.

However, if you still want to see At the Mountains of Madness, go see Pacific Rim! If it's a success, perhaps At the Mountains of Madness will get back on track again... That's basically how he got Hellboy made (Blade 2 gave him the clout to finally get the go ahead from the studio).

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

Seriously? You did not just say that... If anything, Pacific Rim is a Western reimagining of the Godzilla/Toho style films. There will be no emotionally vapid fantasy girl clone or emo boys doing unmentionable things over the comatose body of their fellow pilot in this. Just lots of hot giant robot on giant monster action!

Eh, still VERY evangelion. Just with less whinging, wanking, and mindfuckery.... i hope.

Of that list, two I am most looking forward to: Iron Man 3, and Pacific Rim.

Iron Man 3.

I am completely okay with this. Iron Man is probably my favorite character to be developed and come out of the Avengers movie set. To bring him back into focus and get some more story and action out of him will be a joy.

Pacific Rim.

As mentioned: Giant Robots, and GladOS. Been playing a lot of Mechwarrior Online lately, and this just seems like a fun extension of that. Plus, Ellen McLain. Support the voice!

Pacific Rim looks like one of those movies that will flop in the US and do reasonably well overseas, only to be ultimately unprofitable for the studio-distributor. It's 100% Geek Crack, and that often does not end well if it's just that without a compelling story, characters, and humor.

I'm hoping that the new G.I. Joe isn't as awful as the first movie. That one was just terrible, and not in a "so bad it's good" way.

As long as Pacific Rim is in the theatre i got to, I will be there. thats all I can say.

Gorfias:

WanderingFool:

newwiseman:
Pacific Rim just sounds like the plot to Evangelion...

I think it basically is... only with 99.9% less mind fuckery.

Which I think stands as a plus.

This is the only one of Bob's that will actually surprise me if it DOESN"T bomb. This guy has only really blown my mind once: "Pan's Labyrinth".

FUCK YEAH!!! I get to use this again...

I personally loved a numbe of Del Toro's movies. So Im looking foward to Pacific Rim.

Pacific Rim sounds awesome, this is the first I'd heard of it! Giant robots fighting interdimensional monsters? Hells... yes.

I'll be seeing all 4 but Iron Man 3 is the most interesting to me because I want to see if the audience is all "why are the other Avengers not helping Iron Man!" and if that gives it bad word of mouth as a response.

Iron man three's a whole different kettle of fish to the avengers.
To me Iron man 3 seems like such a certain thing that I'm surprised it's not obvious to everyone.
But hey, I guess that my fanboy-like glee at Robert Downey Jr's iron man is somewhat clouding my judgement. Iron man was my favourite film of the 2000s (bar maybe LOTR) and Avengers, well, it was the Avengers, it was amazing, but it's like the multipack of little boxes of cereal that includes loads of awesome cereal Vs The big box of your favourite cereal.
They're both awesome in different ways.

And personally I'd take a bowl of Robert Downey junior any day of the week.
...
No homo.

WanderingFool:

Gorfias:

This is the only one of Bob's that will actually surprise me if it DOESN"T bomb. This guy has only really blown my mind once: "Pan's Labyrinth".

FUCK YEAH!!! I get to use this again...

I personally loved a numbe of Del Toro's movies. So Im looking foward to Pacific Rim.

The clip is really cool! Love that movie. What other ones of Del Toro did you love? Hellboy had problems with me mostly in that I couldn't tell why certain things where happening. A gun doesn't work on someone, why keep shooting them? But it was probably his 2nd best for me. The Blade guy was pretty cool. I did not think him a poor man's Wolverine. But the 2nd one, among other issues, was way too uneven. Some genuinely scary stuff mixed with things I was embarrassed to have my kid seeing me watching. He did another non English speaking movie before Pan (or, chauvinistically, foreign movie!). I was kinda bored by it.

Am I missing something else?

Wait what the fuck people consider The Rock a movie star... I mean really? Maybe I'm just bitter about him leaving the WWE and only ever using the WWE to boost his twitter profile but I genuinely never see The Rock in any movies at least in the UK. Americans tell me is The Rock, or Duane Johnson whatever, counted as a movie star? Because he is truly awful but despite my opinion is he know as an actor in the common eye?

Been super excited for Pacific Rim for awhile now, and I bet it's going to be huge.
PLEASE, let it be huge!!!

As for Iron Man 3, come on, Downey Jr. is hot stuff atm and I love the franchise.
Also Go Joe! Sure it's going to entertain me.

As for Supes? Whatever...

MovieBob:
What he's never really had is an unqualified mega-success to call his own - at the end of the day, even his popular Hellboy movies were only modest hits.

I dunno, I'd say that "Blade II" qualifies as a pretty major success. $155 million is nothing to sneeze at, particularly when the film itself had a $55 million budget and its predecessor only made $121 million.

Then again, I guess that Pacific Rim will need to do way better than that to justify its $200 million budget, but considering the overwhelmingly positive buzz it got from its trailer and the kind of business that movies about giant robots have been doing lately, I'd say he's got a decent shot.

I don't think Iron Man 3 is in any trouble. Lets face it, at that point The Avengers project was mostly a rumor, and the Nick Fury cameo could easily be attributed to a wink to comic book fans. Not only it was hardly an announcement, but this kind of shit has been used a lot, specially in comic book adaptations. Most of the times, it goes nowhere. That catch only work with hindsight, because without it, that first movie works by itself and has 0 references to the Avengers.

Despite all that, and a weak third act attributable to a bad villain, Iron Man 1 was surprisingly good. Coming from a studio that had a lot to prove, not just "can we make this super ambitious, taking years to set up, consistent casting, never before tried project?", but "can we make a movie?"...

About Superman, I think its going to be a disaster. Singer's adaptation was awful, too scared to touch the legacy of the "legendary" Reeve's movie that it lacked even the smallest amount of ambition. It was so close to Donner's version that, if they called it a remake of the original, it would have saved time. Besides... I REALLY don't like Snyder. I don't think he is very good. The "nigh-supernatural skill" you talk about I call "skipping pre-production by using comic book pages as storyboard" which, more often than not, end up in clustered adaptations.

ProtoChimp:
Wait what the fuck people consider The Rock a movie star... I mean really? Maybe I'm just bitter about him leaving the WWE and only ever using the WWE to boost his twitter profile but I genuinely never see The Rock in any movies at least in the UK. Americans tell me is The Rock, or Duane Johnson whatever, counted as a movie star? Because he is truly awful but despite my opinion is he know as an actor in the common eye?

If there is one thing being in the WWE taught Duane Johnson, it was how to suck all the oxygen out of a room. And if he's playing the role of an over-the-top military/mercenary/police juggernaut, it plays to his strengths. He's like Brian Blessed but not as loud. There's not enough actors out there willing to completely and utterly ham it up like you need to in most cliche action movies.

Enter Channing Tatum... he does NOT know how to do this, which is why he sucks as an action star... which is why his successes are films that aren't about action. His best action role was letting Gina Carano kick the shit outta him in Haywire. This is why Duane and Bruce are fine for a G.I. Joe movie, but Channing really isn't... and that concerns me. I can only hope his extended role in the film is just to let Joe and Roadblock steal his thunder the entire time.

hermes200:
Besides... I REALLY don't like Snyder. I don't think he is very good. The "nigh-supernatural skill" you talk about I call "skipping pre-production by using comic book pages as storyboard" which, more often than not, end up in clustered adaptations.

Me too. I've seen some Snyder films (and bits of others), and his style is incredibly irritating. He's way too fond of annoying slow-mo scenes.

If this one hits big, it could change the course of a blockbuster landscape currently dominated by licensed adaptations and sequels

Dear God, I really hope this actually happens. I'm sick of comic adaptations and remakes.

I swear to God, Pacific Rim better do well. It's the film that I'm most excited about in 2013, and I'm a comic book nerd mainly. I am worried that the subject matter will be too 'silly' for general audiences though, and they'll just lap some generic shootymcmusclesfest that'll come out at the same time.

I saw the trailer for Pacific Rim not too long ago, and actually got really hyped. I'm definitely gonna watch it.

Iron Man 3 is another one i'm pretty stoked about, but for Superman i'll probably wait it out for response before diving into it myself. I've always been lukewarm about Superman as a character.

Ben Kingsley as Mandarin has got to be good... right?

chimpzy:
So, Pacific Rim is essentially a live-action version of those old mecha anime like Mazinger Z?

I'm so going to watch that, just to see if it works.

And because giant robots. And because GladOS is in it. Also, giant robots.

I forgot GladOS was in it for a second there, thanks. I just remember the title as: "must watch" and forget about some of the finer details at times.

Pacific Rim to me almost sounds like "X-Com: Terror From the Deep" if the X-com agents piloted take your pick: Battlemechs, primitive gundams, virturoids, battle armor. As frustrating as that game could be at times, my interest is piqued!

I really liked both Hellboy movies. I think I will be seeing this in theaters if I can.

I really hope Pacific Rim turns out both fantastic and successful as I've been a borderline obsessive fan of giant robots since I was 5.

I'm looking forward to all of these movies, they better be damn good! Also Die Hard 5 >.>.

I think I'll definitely see Iron Man 3 in the theater, won't be hard to get friends to see that one, and I'll see Pacific Rim on my own if I have to. If only for the fact that Del Toro actually talked to Valve and got their permission to use Ellen McLain to do a GLaDOS cameo as the voice of the computers that run the big robots.

MovieBob:
(i.e. there's no built-in "franchise" audience here)

Hang on a sec Bob, isn't this the Monsterpocalypse movie? I know Monsterpocalypse doesn't have that big a fan base but it is there. Not to mention this seems like the sort of thing Comicon goes mad for.

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